Add Merch Bundle option when buying tickets - BEAT THE FLIPPERS!

Caught-A-Bolt-Of-Lightning

jonbond1779 said:

Come on 10c! this is getting ridiculous. We are all fans and end up paying SO much for merch which we should, by all rights, as 10c paying members should have.

I think there should be an option to purchase a Merch Bundle when buying tickets - includes gig poster (obviously), stickers, pins and a T shirt.

At least this way you can guarantee that real fans get the merch they want and take it out the hands of the flippers.

Please at least consider it??  Or do we all need to start looking into this Bot software business just to get a show poster? 

I am in agreement that this would be a great option. However I personally shy away from statements that include things like "which we should, by all rights, as 10c paying members should have." Technically the Band owes us nothing. We already get access to better seats (for the most part) than the general public, at a discounted price. Imagine all of this without Ten Club. Instead of talking about flippers we'd be grumbling to ourselves (After all there'd be no forum..) about scalpers.

pantelis79

Caught-A-Bolt-Of-Lightning said:

I am in agreement that this would be a great option. However I personally shy away from statements that include things like "which we should, by all rights, as 10c paying members should have." Technically the Band owes us nothing. We already get access to better seats (for the most part) than the general public, at a discounted price. Imagine all of this without Ten Club. Instead of talking about flippers we'd be grumbling to ourselves (After all there'd be no forum..) about scalpers.

Don't you think both the band and the artists that design the posters would be happier if people who were interested in getting posters didn't have to pay insane amounts of money to flippers? What the OP is talking about here is for the poster selling system to become more fair. For example, I try to buy every posters from the shows that I go to. Having the option to do that without queuing up for hours not even being sure that I'm going to get one (i.e., wasting my time if I don't get one) seems great for me. Queuing up for merch is different that queuing up for a good spot in the pit. If you queue up to get a good spot in the pit, then you're gonna get it. If you queue up for merch, there's a quite big chance that when you reach the stand you will realize that you had waited for nothing.

They could have a roll call for merch, just as they have for tickets. I would even pay a slightly higher yearly subscription to have this choice.

lolobugg

I know that it is unlikely to happen, but I support this.

I was thrilled in 2009 when I bought my posters in the pre-sale before the Chicago shows and was very happy when they arrived at my home address safe and sound.

pashapasaman

this is the only way
can't afford wasting time in line and not explore the city I'm travelling

boyo79

Only way to beat the flippers is to not buy from them. That simple.

Gibson

boyo79 said:

Only way to beat the flippers is to not buy from them. That simple.

THIS. 

I’d personally love to go back to pre orders, but that’s so I can explore the cities I visit. I have chosen merch lines over cities during day of show and I know that’s my choice alone, and the more places I visit, the more I decide to explore. 

Spiritual_Chaos

boyo79 said:

Only way to beat the flippers is to not buy from them. That simple.

Well... there isn't really any competitors in the market place. 

bejster23

Give the option to buy at 10C ticket purchase and leave a small amount to be sold at show day of. There are so many pros to this. 10C gets more money, 10C needs less staff at the pre show merch trailer, people get to spend more time in the city they are traveling to, benefit the local economy, flippers have no consumer to sell to, and pre parties and fan social events would be better.

What is the drawback to doing this? 

RS151862

bejster23 said:  What is the drawback to doing this? 

People will relentlessly bitch and moan about getting stuck buying a shitty poster. People complain about everything. 

hihobibo

Are there any other bands with poster collectors as rabid as PJ/EV fans? By that, I mean are there other bands where fans buy any poster, and not just shows they attended?  Its rare I see any other posters sold out on artist sites except for the PJ/EV ones. Are these just more limited? Foo Fighters, 311, and QOTSA all seem to come out with cool posters too, but rarely do they sell out. 

pdalowsky

As soon as you flood the market, demand disappears. The desire to have what everyone else has doesnt exist in the collecting world. The 2009 experiment didnt work out well. Santos has, quite rightly, referenced this a few times on facebook recently. 

I see the point of this thread, and i see the logic totally, it just doesnt work in this market. Pearl Jam have a merch appetite in the fanbase that I believe is unrivaled across the industry. Other bands would love to be able to replicate it, but its been built over many many years and at this point must be a key money earner in the days when the actual music no longer pays. Changing the model now could see them shoot themselves in the foot so to speak. 

CopperTom

What difference does it make to the 10C if the second hand market demand plunges?  They sure won't lose money on this.  Fans who wouldn't typically wait in line might buy with a preorder.  First hand demand would increase.

pjsteelerfan

Would be so much fun coming to the board reading from all the people that pre-ordered the posters site unseen and then found out they got this

drakeheuer14

Timed editions. Timed editions. Timed editions. 

Then add very limited for the casual fan who had no idea about posters until getting there. 

on2legs

All these artists are “artists” but they are also a brand. And they want to protect that.  No one wants to be the Walmart of poster artists.  

Spiritual_Chaos

Letting fans who want the poster for the poster preorder with your tenclub ticket.

Relieving some anxiety, as explained by Santos: "Sick of people paying child laborers to snatch up all of the posters while you were outside getting the most out of your bratwurst? Tired of paying good money for a cool poster before the show, carrying it around like a Faberge egg, only to have some over-served lout spill their beer all over it during the encore? Well, now you can kick back and relax. The Ten Club is happy to announce a concert poster pre-sale for those who have purchased tickets. Here's the deal:"

Then more posters will be available to the general public, or fanclub fans who didn't get tenclub tickets. Flippers will still be there - alot of them fanclub members - but us who just want the poster for the show we went to, it would benefit us greatly.

Spiritual_Chaos

pdalowsky said:

 The 2009 experiment didnt work out well. Santos has, quite rightly, referenced this a few times on facebook recently. 

What didn't work out?

kce8

I don't get why it has to be a pre-order then?!

Just give us a week after the tour and let people order poster pins and stickers. Ten Club then exactly knows the amount of stuff they need and all problems are solved. No complains, no standing for hours in line etc.

I got one sticker in Prague and two in Krakow, nothing else.. not even a pin... that's absolutely fucked up.
And I know I won't have knowledge or being early enough to get a poster when Ten Club sells it here.

So actually this current poor system made me buy two Berlin posters, just to be able to trade one for a Prague poster. I wouldn't have done that if there have been an option to get a poster on another official way. 

So please, Ten Club do something and don't let members feel disappointed about something what you easily could change. 

pjsteelerfan

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

 The 2009 experiment didnt work out well. Santos has, quite rightly, referenced this a few times on facebook recently. 

What didn't work out?

Not every poster was an all time classic. Example- EMEK Rome appears to be the hot poster this year. When pre-ordering, everyone wanted an EMEK Rome. Everyone expected an EMEK Rome.  And when that did not happen in 2009, it did not go over well. And the 10c voiced their opinions about that. See the English poster I posted above.  The board would explode with anger if a couple thousand people pre-ordered that  unseen. 

Sure there are a few of us that want a poster for every show we attend, but not everyone. 

Jamer196

In my point of view:

1 - Most of the flippers are 10C members and fans (A) trying to pay their Tour expenses at the cost of other members and fans (B). 

2 - Those that defend that the system is good and a change is hard or can't be done are -> A

3 - Those that want a change are the ones being exploited  -> B