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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    The funny thing to me is how many people think NK actually posed, or pose, a threat to anybody outside of their own population. Suckers lol
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    unsung said:
    This is a huge accomplishment for the World.
    Trump, and his supporters are so easily conned. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,013
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Posts: 15,165
    The occasion got to Dennis Rodman...

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    This is a huge accomplishment for the World.
    How so?

  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Everyone enjoy the show?

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    TRUMP AND KIM SIGN A “COMPREHENSIVE” AGREEMENT OF NO REAL SUBSTANCE

    https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/wjb7mw/trump-kim-agreement-singapore-north-korea?utm_source=reddit.com
  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    I love how people think a near 70 year conflict is going to be resolved in a simple 30 minute meeting.  The bigger picture here is that baby steps were taken.  And a different tact was used in comparison to past administrations...a tact that seems to be much more productive. I believe North Korea was 100% sure we weren't fucking around and that we had a leader possibly more unpredictable than they do. I dont say that with any real pride, but it seems to have been at least somewhat effective, because their actions changed dramatically over the course of a few months and dialogue began.

    Human rights violations and other issues are not immediately going to be corrected after a single meeting. But if dialogue continues then hopefuly...above all issues...that will be resolved. 


  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Shawshank said:
    I love how people think a near 70 year conflict is going to be resolved in a simple 30 minute meeting.  The bigger picture here is that baby steps were taken.  And a different tact was used in comparison to past administrations...a tact that seems to be much more productive. I believe North Korea was 100% sure we weren't fucking around and that we had a leader possibly more unpredictable than they do. I dont say that with any real pride, but it seems to have been at least somewhat effective, because their actions changed dramatically over the course of a few months and dialogue began.

    Human rights violations and other issues are not immediately going to be corrected after a single meeting. But if dialogue continues then hopefuly...above all issues...that will be resolved. 


    How has this different tact been more productive?
  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    dignin said:
    Shawshank said:
    I love how people think a near 70 year conflict is going to be resolved in a simple 30 minute meeting.  The bigger picture here is that baby steps were taken.  And a different tact was used in comparison to past administrations...a tact that seems to be much more productive. I believe North Korea was 100% sure we weren't fucking around and that we had a leader possibly more unpredictable than they do. I dont say that with any real pride, but it seems to have been at least somewhat effective, because their actions changed dramatically over the course of a few months and dialogue began.

    Human rights violations and other issues are not immediately going to be corrected after a single meeting. But if dialogue continues then hopefuly...above all issues...that will be resolved. 


    How has this different tact been more productive?
    How has it not been? Instead of talking shit, increasing military exercises in the region and expanding sanctions, which only hurt the citizenry even more, we gave Un at least a hint of respect and extended an olive branch. If anyone says that having the leader of North Korea at the table, for even the briefest of cordial meetings is a bad thing, they are fucking delusional.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Shawshank said:
    dignin said:
    Shawshank said:
    I love how people think a near 70 year conflict is going to be resolved in a simple 30 minute meeting.  The bigger picture here is that baby steps were taken.  And a different tact was used in comparison to past administrations...a tact that seems to be much more productive. I believe North Korea was 100% sure we weren't fucking around and that we had a leader possibly more unpredictable than they do. I dont say that with any real pride, but it seems to have been at least somewhat effective, because their actions changed dramatically over the course of a few months and dialogue began.

    Human rights violations and other issues are not immediately going to be corrected after a single meeting. But if dialogue continues then hopefuly...above all issues...that will be resolved. 


    How has this different tact been more productive?
    How has it not been? Instead of talking shit, increasing military exercises in the region and expanding sanctions, which only hurt the citizenry even more, we gave Un at least a hint of respect and extended an olive branch. If anyone says that having the leader of North Korea at the table, for even the briefest of cordial meetings is a bad thing, they are fucking delusional.
    I’m not going to say it’s a bad thing, nor am I going to say it’s necessarily a good thing. NK’s statement is virtually identical to the one they made the last go ‘round, and we have seen how well they carried that out. Another statement on its own means not much of anything. The mere fact of a meeting, on its own, means not much of anything. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,016
    dignin said:
    Everyone enjoy the show?

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    https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/fox-news-different-reactions-regarding-negotiations-with-north-korea


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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,965
    people claiming that this is a postive step are speaking WAY too prematurely. nothing has been done. nothing has been accomplished. a photo op sit down means zero unless something gets done. and nothing has been done yet. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    What you have is a business man acting as president who sees an opportunity for personal gains in an isolated and poorly developed country. He is again using his position to formally give a known human rights destroying dictator recognition and praise. It's vile and disgusting. There is an angle to every action.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    oftenreading said:
    Shawshank said:
    dignin said:
    Shawshank said:
    I love how people think a near 70 year conflict is going to be resolved in a simple 30 minute meeting.  The bigger picture here is that baby steps were taken.  And a different tact was used in comparison to past administrations...a tact that seems to be much more productive. I believe North Korea was 100% sure we weren't fucking around and that we had a leader possibly more unpredictable than they do. I dont say that with any real pride, but it seems to have been at least somewhat effective, because their actions changed dramatically over the course of a few months and dialogue began.

    Human rights violations and other issues are not immediately going to be corrected after a single meeting. But if dialogue continues then hopefuly...above all issues...that will be resolved. 


    How has this different tact been more productive?
    How has it not been? Instead of talking shit, increasing military exercises in the region and expanding sanctions, which only hurt the citizenry even more, we gave Un at least a hint of respect and extended an olive branch. If anyone says that having the leader of North Korea at the table, for even the briefest of cordial meetings is a bad thing, they are fucking delusional.
    I’m not going to say it’s a bad thing, nor am I going to say it’s necessarily a good thing. NK’s statement is virtually identical to the one they made the last go ‘round, and we have seen how well they carried that out. Another statement on its own means not much of anything. The mere fact of a meeting, on its own, means not much of anything. 
    This. So far all I've heard from this meeting is platitudes and a photo op. If something meaningful comes of this then I will give credit where credit is do, but based on the history I'm not very optimistic.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,013
    tbergs said:
    What you have is a business man acting as president who sees an opportunity for personal gains in an isolated and poorly developed country. He is again using his position to formally give a known human rights destroying dictator recognition and praise. It's vile and disgusting. There is an angle to every action.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    People realize that NK agreed to denuclearization in 1993, right? 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,948
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    The occasion got to Dennis Rodman...

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,948
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    people claiming that this is a postive step are speaking WAY too prematurely. nothing has been done. nothing has been accomplished. a photo op sit down means zero unless something gets done. and nothing has been done yet. 
    More like speaking out of Trump's ass.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,518
    He has alot of talent for a young man of 26 to take over the country , nothing about what a brutal dictator he has been he had harsher words for PM from Canada then for Rocket man ....
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,948
    josevolution said:
    He has alot of talent for a young man of 26 to take over the country , nothing about what a brutal dictator he has been he had harsher words for PM from Canada then for Rocket man ....
    Yep. It's insanity. He's made it very clear in the last week where he stands. Not for freedom or democracy at all.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,013
    What’s the going price of that beautiful, beautiful commemorative coin? EBay?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,948
    edited June 2018
    Yeah, this is normal. :weary:
    What. The. Fuck.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,013
    Just close your eyes for a moment, just for a moment, and imagine Hillary or Obama doing any of this. Announcing a willingness to meet, scheduling a meeting, issuing a commerative coin, canceling the meeting, putting it back on, going to Singapore without any prep or specifics, meeting one on one without any aides present and showing a propaganda piece on an iPad. Imagine that for just a minute. Heads would explode and Washington would be in an uproar. Then to hold a press conference and openly admit that if they fail, they'd jsut make up an excuse, while shrugging their shoulders in an Alfred P. Newman kind of way. Now, imagine that.

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,965
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Just close your eyes for a moment, just for a moment, and imagine Hillary or Obama doing any of this. Announcing a willingness to meet, scheduling a meeting, issuing a commerative coin, canceling the meeting, putting it back on, going to Singapore without any prep or specifics, meeting one on one without any aides present and showing a propaganda piece on an iPad. Imagine that for just a minute. Heads would explode and Washington would be in an uproar. Then to hold a press conference and openly admit that if they fail, they'd jsut make up an excuse, while shrugging their shoulders in an Alfred P. Newman kind of way. Now, imagine that.

    "The future is in Singapore and not Quebec."
    I was thinking this same thing. They'd call either one of them treasonous and "in bed with terrorists/dictators". 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,013
    And up until that very moment, things were going so well. Un had agreed to totally denuclearize, step down from power, reunify with the south, grant exclusive development rights to Team Trump Treason to build ocean front hotels and for the US to develop the north’s natural resources and free all the North Koreans in prison and in the labor camps. Doh!

    Watch Kim Jong-un's stunned reaction to Trump's fat joke - Mashable https://apple.news/A1vHzaO8aTGq-TJAR4jEpxw
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    Trump Was Outfoxed in Singapore

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/opinion/trump-kim-summit-north-korea.html
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