Knowing What You Know Now, Would You Still Support Trump for President?

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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,264
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If Hillary is the other option again, then yes, I will absolutely vote for Trump.
    I'm no Hillary fan but I'll never understand this notion that she was a worse option than Trump. Why? Trump has proven throughout his business career to be way more "crooked" than Hillary even had the ability to be. Don't get me wrong, she's no angel. I understand why and how anyone wouldn't want her as the President. But a crooked casino-owner turned reality TV star that has had several business endeavors go bankrupt? He was the better option?
    Without getting into detail, when you want to make it clear that you do not support political dynasties or a number of democrat policies...then yes.  Not to mention that she has displayed no interest in rural agricultural communities.  There are not many of Clinton’s policies that I agree with.  How many times do you have to vote for Trump before the message gets across that you do not agree with the status quo political landscape?  Trump is just a pawn in voicing displeasure...a non-violent protest on my part.  I think he is as much of an idiot as everyone else, but I would still vote for him over Hillary any day.  Probably for a lot of the same reasons people voted for Bernie over her.
    Fair enough. And frankly, your talk about political dynasties and democrat polices is what actually had me ready to vote for the republican for the first time in my voting life. Jeb, and maybe even Cruz, might have gotten my vote. But not Trump. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd take the status quo over complete chaos. 
    Do people still think trump is outside the (republican) status quo? 

  • PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If Hillary is the other option again, then yes, I will absolutely vote for Trump.
    I'm no Hillary fan but I'll never understand this notion that she was a worse option than Trump. Why? Trump has proven throughout his business career to be way more "crooked" than Hillary even had the ability to be. Don't get me wrong, she's no angel. I understand why and how anyone wouldn't want her as the President. But a crooked casino-owner turned reality TV star that has had several business endeavors go bankrupt? He was the better option?
    Without getting into detail, when you want to make it clear that you do not support political dynasties or a number of democrat policies...then yes.  Not to mention that she has displayed no interest in rural agricultural communities.  There are not many of Clinton’s policies that I agree with.  How many times do you have to vote for Trump before the message gets across that you do not agree with the status quo political landscape?  Trump is just a pawn in voicing displeasure...a non-violent protest on my part.  I think he is as much of an idiot as everyone else, but I would still vote for him over Hillary any day.  Probably for a lot of the same reasons people voted for Bernie over her.
    Fair enough. And frankly, your talk about political dynasties and democrat polices is what actually had me ready to vote for the republican for the first time in my voting life. Jeb, and maybe even Cruz, might have gotten my vote. But not Trump. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd take the status quo over complete chaos. 
    Do people still think trump is outside the (republican) status quo? 

    I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator. 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,264
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If Hillary is the other option again, then yes, I will absolutely vote for Trump.
    I'm no Hillary fan but I'll never understand this notion that she was a worse option than Trump. Why? Trump has proven throughout his business career to be way more "crooked" than Hillary even had the ability to be. Don't get me wrong, she's no angel. I understand why and how anyone wouldn't want her as the President. But a crooked casino-owner turned reality TV star that has had several business endeavors go bankrupt? He was the better option?
    Without getting into detail, when you want to make it clear that you do not support political dynasties or a number of democrat policies...then yes.  Not to mention that she has displayed no interest in rural agricultural communities.  There are not many of Clinton’s policies that I agree with.  How many times do you have to vote for Trump before the message gets across that you do not agree with the status quo political landscape?  Trump is just a pawn in voicing displeasure...a non-violent protest on my part.  I think he is as much of an idiot as everyone else, but I would still vote for him over Hillary any day.  Probably for a lot of the same reasons people voted for Bernie over her.
    Fair enough. And frankly, your talk about political dynasties and democrat polices is what actually had me ready to vote for the republican for the first time in my voting life. Jeb, and maybe even Cruz, might have gotten my vote. But not Trump. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd take the status quo over complete chaos. 
    Do people still think trump is outside the (republican) status quo? 

    I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator. 
    That’s the thing though, republicans acting like they’re pro-constitution and pro smaller government was always bullshit. The upside of trump is that this truth about republicans has been revealed. If they don’t rebrand, it will be the end of the party. The kids are on to it. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon I'm from Winnipeg, you idiot! (Chris Jericho)Posts: 21,414
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If Hillary is the other option again, then yes, I will absolutely vote for Trump.
    I'm no Hillary fan but I'll never understand this notion that she was a worse option than Trump. Why? Trump has proven throughout his business career to be way more "crooked" than Hillary even had the ability to be. Don't get me wrong, she's no angel. I understand why and how anyone wouldn't want her as the President. But a crooked casino-owner turned reality TV star that has had several business endeavors go bankrupt? He was the better option?
    Without getting into detail, when you want to make it clear that you do not support political dynasties or a number of democrat policies...then yes.  Not to mention that she has displayed no interest in rural agricultural communities.  There are not many of Clinton’s policies that I agree with.  How many times do you have to vote for Trump before the message gets across that you do not agree with the status quo political landscape?  Trump is just a pawn in voicing displeasure...a non-violent protest on my part.  I think he is as much of an idiot as everyone else, but I would still vote for him over Hillary any day.  Probably for a lot of the same reasons people voted for Bernie over her.
    Fair enough. And frankly, your talk about political dynasties and democrat polices is what actually had me ready to vote for the republican for the first time in my voting life. Jeb, and maybe even Cruz, might have gotten my vote. But not Trump. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd take the status quo over complete chaos. 
    Do people still think trump is outside the (republican) status quo? 

    I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator. 
    I'm still on the fence of whether he is just ignorant of how things work or if he is just that power hungry and honestly believes he can get away with anything he wants. 

    it might be a bit of both. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 2,579
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If Hillary is the other option again, then yes, I will absolutely vote for Trump.
    I'm no Hillary fan but I'll never understand this notion that she was a worse option than Trump. Why? Trump has proven throughout his business career to be way more "crooked" than Hillary even had the ability to be. Don't get me wrong, she's no angel. I understand why and how anyone wouldn't want her as the President. But a crooked casino-owner turned reality TV star that has had several business endeavors go bankrupt? He was the better option?
    Without getting into detail, when you want to make it clear that you do not support political dynasties or a number of democrat policies...then yes.  Not to mention that she has displayed no interest in rural agricultural communities.  There are not many of Clinton’s policies that I agree with.  How many times do you have to vote for Trump before the message gets across that you do not agree with the status quo political landscape?  Trump is just a pawn in voicing displeasure...a non-violent protest on my part.  I think he is as much of an idiot as everyone else, but I would still vote for him over Hillary any day.  Probably for a lot of the same reasons people voted for Bernie over her.
    Fair enough. And frankly, your talk about political dynasties and democrat polices is what actually had me ready to vote for the republican for the first time in my voting life. Jeb, and maybe even Cruz, might have gotten my vote. But not Trump. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd take the status quo over complete chaos. 
    Do people still think trump is outside the (republican) status quo? 

    I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator. 
    I'm still on the fence of whether he is just ignorant of how things work or if he is just that power hungry and honestly believes he can get away with anything he wants. 

    it might be a bit of both. 
    I think it's both, plus a little "never really had to follow rules or answer to anyone before."  The upcoming Democratic House will be the first check there's ever been to his authority.  
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon I'm from Winnipeg, you idiot! (Chris Jericho)Posts: 21,414
    OnWis97 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If Hillary is the other option again, then yes, I will absolutely vote for Trump.
    I'm no Hillary fan but I'll never understand this notion that she was a worse option than Trump. Why? Trump has proven throughout his business career to be way more "crooked" than Hillary even had the ability to be. Don't get me wrong, she's no angel. I understand why and how anyone wouldn't want her as the President. But a crooked casino-owner turned reality TV star that has had several business endeavors go bankrupt? He was the better option?
    Without getting into detail, when you want to make it clear that you do not support political dynasties or a number of democrat policies...then yes.  Not to mention that she has displayed no interest in rural agricultural communities.  There are not many of Clinton’s policies that I agree with.  How many times do you have to vote for Trump before the message gets across that you do not agree with the status quo political landscape?  Trump is just a pawn in voicing displeasure...a non-violent protest on my part.  I think he is as much of an idiot as everyone else, but I would still vote for him over Hillary any day.  Probably for a lot of the same reasons people voted for Bernie over her.
    Fair enough. And frankly, your talk about political dynasties and democrat polices is what actually had me ready to vote for the republican for the first time in my voting life. Jeb, and maybe even Cruz, might have gotten my vote. But not Trump. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd take the status quo over complete chaos. 
    Do people still think trump is outside the (republican) status quo? 

    I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator. 
    I'm still on the fence of whether he is just ignorant of how things work or if he is just that power hungry and honestly believes he can get away with anything he wants. 

    it might be a bit of both. 
    I think it's both, plus a little "never really had to follow rules or answer to anyone before."  The upcoming Democratic House will be the first check there's ever been to his authority.  
    this really could work out to be a win for him, to be honest. he can just blame nothing getting done on the Democrats blocking everything he wants to do, riling up and angering his base. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 2,579
    OnWis97 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If Hillary is the other option again, then yes, I will absolutely vote for Trump.
    I'm no Hillary fan but I'll never understand this notion that she was a worse option than Trump. Why? Trump has proven throughout his business career to be way more "crooked" than Hillary even had the ability to be. Don't get me wrong, she's no angel. I understand why and how anyone wouldn't want her as the President. But a crooked casino-owner turned reality TV star that has had several business endeavors go bankrupt? He was the better option?
    Without getting into detail, when you want to make it clear that you do not support political dynasties or a number of democrat policies...then yes.  Not to mention that she has displayed no interest in rural agricultural communities.  There are not many of Clinton’s policies that I agree with.  How many times do you have to vote for Trump before the message gets across that you do not agree with the status quo political landscape?  Trump is just a pawn in voicing displeasure...a non-violent protest on my part.  I think he is as much of an idiot as everyone else, but I would still vote for him over Hillary any day.  Probably for a lot of the same reasons people voted for Bernie over her.
    Fair enough. And frankly, your talk about political dynasties and democrat polices is what actually had me ready to vote for the republican for the first time in my voting life. Jeb, and maybe even Cruz, might have gotten my vote. But not Trump. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd take the status quo over complete chaos. 
    Do people still think trump is outside the (republican) status quo? 

    I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator. 
    I'm still on the fence of whether he is just ignorant of how things work or if he is just that power hungry and honestly believes he can get away with anything he wants. 

    it might be a bit of both. 
    I think it's both, plus a little "never really had to follow rules or answer to anyone before."  The upcoming Democratic House will be the first check there's ever been to his authority.  
    this really could work out to be a win for him, to be honest. he can just blame nothing getting done on the Democrats blocking everything he wants to do, riling up and angering his base. 
    Hell, he already does sometimes with the current impotent Democratic Party.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon I'm from Winnipeg, you idiot! (Chris Jericho)Posts: 21,414
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If Hillary is the other option again, then yes, I will absolutely vote for Trump.
    I'm no Hillary fan but I'll never understand this notion that she was a worse option than Trump. Why? Trump has proven throughout his business career to be way more "crooked" than Hillary even had the ability to be. Don't get me wrong, she's no angel. I understand why and how anyone wouldn't want her as the President. But a crooked casino-owner turned reality TV star that has had several business endeavors go bankrupt? He was the better option?
    Without getting into detail, when you want to make it clear that you do not support political dynasties or a number of democrat policies...then yes.  Not to mention that she has displayed no interest in rural agricultural communities.  There are not many of Clinton’s policies that I agree with.  How many times do you have to vote for Trump before the message gets across that you do not agree with the status quo political landscape?  Trump is just a pawn in voicing displeasure...a non-violent protest on my part.  I think he is as much of an idiot as everyone else, but I would still vote for him over Hillary any day.  Probably for a lot of the same reasons people voted for Bernie over her.
    Fair enough. And frankly, your talk about political dynasties and democrat polices is what actually had me ready to vote for the republican for the first time in my voting life. Jeb, and maybe even Cruz, might have gotten my vote. But not Trump. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd take the status quo over complete chaos. 
    Do people still think trump is outside the (republican) status quo? 

    I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator. 
    I'm still on the fence of whether he is just ignorant of how things work or if he is just that power hungry and honestly believes he can get away with anything he wants. 

    it might be a bit of both. 
    I think it's both, plus a little "never really had to follow rules or answer to anyone before."  The upcoming Democratic House will be the first check there's ever been to his authority.  
    this really could work out to be a win for him, to be honest. he can just blame nothing getting done on the Democrats blocking everything he wants to do, riling up and angering his base. 
    Hell, he already does sometimes with the current impotent Democratic Party.
    I know. this is his get out of jail free card. 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 8,363
    OnWis97 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If Hillary is the other option again, then yes, I will absolutely vote for Trump.
    I'm no Hillary fan but I'll never understand this notion that she was a worse option than Trump. Why? Trump has proven throughout his business career to be way more "crooked" than Hillary even had the ability to be. Don't get me wrong, she's no angel. I understand why and how anyone wouldn't want her as the President. But a crooked casino-owner turned reality TV star that has had several business endeavors go bankrupt? He was the better option?
    Without getting into detail, when you want to make it clear that you do not support political dynasties or a number of democrat policies...then yes.  Not to mention that she has displayed no interest in rural agricultural communities.  There are not many of Clinton’s policies that I agree with.  How many times do you have to vote for Trump before the message gets across that you do not agree with the status quo political landscape?  Trump is just a pawn in voicing displeasure...a non-violent protest on my part.  I think he is as much of an idiot as everyone else, but I would still vote for him over Hillary any day.  Probably for a lot of the same reasons people voted for Bernie over her.
    Fair enough. And frankly, your talk about political dynasties and democrat polices is what actually had me ready to vote for the republican for the first time in my voting life. Jeb, and maybe even Cruz, might have gotten my vote. But not Trump. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd take the status quo over complete chaos. 
    Do people still think trump is outside the (republican) status quo? 

    I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator. 
    I'm still on the fence of whether he is just ignorant of how things work or if he is just that power hungry and honestly believes he can get away with anything he wants. 

    it might be a bit of both. 
    I think it's both, plus a little "never really had to follow rules or answer to anyone before."  The upcoming Democratic House will be the first check there's ever been to his authority.  
    this really could work out to be a win for him, to be honest. he can just blame nothing getting done on the Democrats blocking everything he wants to do, riling up and angering his base. 
    The base is already riled and angry. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon I'm from Winnipeg, you idiot! (Chris Jericho)Posts: 21,414
    dignin said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If Hillary is the other option again, then yes, I will absolutely vote for Trump.
    I'm no Hillary fan but I'll never understand this notion that she was a worse option than Trump. Why? Trump has proven throughout his business career to be way more "crooked" than Hillary even had the ability to be. Don't get me wrong, she's no angel. I understand why and how anyone wouldn't want her as the President. But a crooked casino-owner turned reality TV star that has had several business endeavors go bankrupt? He was the better option?
    Without getting into detail, when you want to make it clear that you do not support political dynasties or a number of democrat policies...then yes.  Not to mention that she has displayed no interest in rural agricultural communities.  There are not many of Clinton’s policies that I agree with.  How many times do you have to vote for Trump before the message gets across that you do not agree with the status quo political landscape?  Trump is just a pawn in voicing displeasure...a non-violent protest on my part.  I think he is as much of an idiot as everyone else, but I would still vote for him over Hillary any day.  Probably for a lot of the same reasons people voted for Bernie over her.
    Fair enough. And frankly, your talk about political dynasties and democrat polices is what actually had me ready to vote for the republican for the first time in my voting life. Jeb, and maybe even Cruz, might have gotten my vote. But not Trump. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd take the status quo over complete chaos. 
    Do people still think trump is outside the (republican) status quo? 

    I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator. 
    I'm still on the fence of whether he is just ignorant of how things work or if he is just that power hungry and honestly believes he can get away with anything he wants. 

    it might be a bit of both. 
    I think it's both, plus a little "never really had to follow rules or answer to anyone before."  The upcoming Democratic House will be the first check there's ever been to his authority.  
    this really could work out to be a win for him, to be honest. he can just blame nothing getting done on the Democrats blocking everything he wants to do, riling up and angering his base. 
    The base is already riled and angry. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
    I'm not worried. I'm largely tuning out of this shitshow at this point, at least compared to 2 years ago. 
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  • dignin said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If Hillary is the other option again, then yes, I will absolutely vote for Trump.
    I'm no Hillary fan but I'll never understand this notion that she was a worse option than Trump. Why? Trump has proven throughout his business career to be way more "crooked" than Hillary even had the ability to be. Don't get me wrong, she's no angel. I understand why and how anyone wouldn't want her as the President. But a crooked casino-owner turned reality TV star that has had several business endeavors go bankrupt? He was the better option?
    Without getting into detail, when you want to make it clear that you do not support political dynasties or a number of democrat policies...then yes.  Not to mention that she has displayed no interest in rural agricultural communities.  There are not many of Clinton’s policies that I agree with.  How many times do you have to vote for Trump before the message gets across that you do not agree with the status quo political landscape?  Trump is just a pawn in voicing displeasure...a non-violent protest on my part.  I think he is as much of an idiot as everyone else, but I would still vote for him over Hillary any day.  Probably for a lot of the same reasons people voted for Bernie over her.
    Fair enough. And frankly, your talk about political dynasties and democrat polices is what actually had me ready to vote for the republican for the first time in my voting life. Jeb, and maybe even Cruz, might have gotten my vote. But not Trump. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd take the status quo over complete chaos. 
    Do people still think trump is outside the (republican) status quo? 

    I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator. 
    I'm still on the fence of whether he is just ignorant of how things work or if he is just that power hungry and honestly believes he can get away with anything he wants. 

    it might be a bit of both. 
    I think it's both, plus a little "never really had to follow rules or answer to anyone before."  The upcoming Democratic House will be the first check there's ever been to his authority.  
    this really could work out to be a win for him, to be honest. he can just blame nothing getting done on the Democrats blocking everything he wants to do, riling up and angering his base. 
    The base is already riled and angry. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
    I'm not worried. I'm largely tuning out of this shitshow at this point, at least compared to 2 years ago. 
    That’s a dumpster fire shit show.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 37,359
    OnWis97 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If Hillary is the other option again, then yes, I will absolutely vote for Trump.
    I'm no Hillary fan but I'll never understand this notion that she was a worse option than Trump. Why? Trump has proven throughout his business career to be way more "crooked" than Hillary even had the ability to be. Don't get me wrong, she's no angel. I understand why and how anyone wouldn't want her as the President. But a crooked casino-owner turned reality TV star that has had several business endeavors go bankrupt? He was the better option?
    Without getting into detail, when you want to make it clear that you do not support political dynasties or a number of democrat policies...then yes.  Not to mention that she has displayed no interest in rural agricultural communities.  There are not many of Clinton’s policies that I agree with.  How many times do you have to vote for Trump before the message gets across that you do not agree with the status quo political landscape?  Trump is just a pawn in voicing displeasure...a non-violent protest on my part.  I think he is as much of an idiot as everyone else, but I would still vote for him over Hillary any day.  Probably for a lot of the same reasons people voted for Bernie over her.
    Fair enough. And frankly, your talk about political dynasties and democrat polices is what actually had me ready to vote for the republican for the first time in my voting life. Jeb, and maybe even Cruz, might have gotten my vote. But not Trump. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd take the status quo over complete chaos. 
    Do people still think trump is outside the (republican) status quo? 

    I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator. 
    I'm still on the fence of whether he is just ignorant of how things work or if he is just that power hungry and honestly believes he can get away with anything he wants. 

    it might be a bit of both. 
    I think it's both, plus a little "never really had to follow rules or answer to anyone before."  The upcoming Democratic House will be the first check there's ever been to his authority.  
    this really could work out to be a win for him, to be honest. he can just blame nothing getting done on the Democrats blocking everything he wants to do, riling up and angering his base. 
    Oh absolutely. He’s already blamed the stock market decline on them. 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,209
    Would it be fair to suggest the majority (or core) of his base is comprised of uneducated, white males?
    Call 'em whatever ya want. I think some of them thumb their nose at logic (the logic that Trump is horrible) as a "fuck you" to the people calling them uneducated, racist, etc. 

    So you think some of 'em have their feelings hurt and would vote against McDonald if smart people were nicer to them or accepted their views on race?
    I know plenty of people without a formal education that are extremely smart. Especially in actual life activities. So I’d be careful making the leap from “uneducated” (which is indeed a cutdown as it’s not really true) to not smart. 
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  • Would it be fair to suggest the majority (or core) of his base is comprised of uneducated, white males?
    Call 'em whatever ya want. I think some of them thumb their nose at logic (the logic that Trump is horrible) as a "fuck you" to the people calling them uneducated, racist, etc. 

    So you think some of 'em have their feelings hurt and would vote against McDonald if smart people were nicer to them or accepted their views on race?
    I know plenty of people without a formal education that are extremely smart. Especially in actual life activities. So I’d be careful making the leap from “uneducated” (which is indeed a cutdown as it’s not really true) to not smart. 

    My father is one of the smartest men I know and has a grade 7 education. He's also smart enough to know a fraud when he sees one: he thinks Donald Trump (lol) is a f**king idiot.

    You don't have to be smart to understand Donald Trump is a f**king idiot. You just have to be a little brighter than a gnat. Even the racist bastards who stand behind he guy realize he's a f**king idiot- they're just morally bankrupt and would stand behind Satan if he did their bidding.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,007
    "I know it’s not a precise analogy, but during the Trump administration, I’ve returned several times to a psychological study called “When Prophecy Fails,” about how members of a millenarian U.F.O. cult reacted when no extraterrestrial saviors appeared. Most redoubled their commitment to spreading the cult’s message, as if needing others to confirm their challenged faith. Most, but not all.

    Many MAGA hat-wearers will probably go to their graves insisting that Trump is an agent of American redemption. But as the economy shows signs of cooling and Republicans realize, with a panic, that driving white suburban women away from their party was a bad idea, I wonder if some are finding it harder to choke back their doubts. They might have thought they were Trump’s allies, or his constituents. They’ve only ever been his marks."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/19/opinion/trump-administration-businesses-democrats-midterms.html
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  • Would it be fair to suggest the majority (or core) of his base is comprised of uneducated, white males?
    Call 'em whatever ya want. I think some of them thumb their nose at logic (the logic that Trump is horrible) as a "fuck you" to the people calling them uneducated, racist, etc. 

    So you think some of 'em have their feelings hurt and would vote against McDonald if smart people were nicer to them or accepted their views on race?
    I know plenty of people without a formal education that are extremely smart. Especially in actual life activities. So I’d be careful making the leap from “uneducated” (which is indeed a cutdown as it’s not really true) to not smart. 

    My father is one of the smartest men I know and has a grade 7 education. He's also smart enough to know a fraud when he sees one: he thinks Donald Trump (lol) is a f**king idiot.

    You don't have to be smart to understand Donald Trump is a f**king idiot. You just have to be a little brighter than a gnat. Even the racist bastards who stand behind he guy realize he's a f**king idiot- they're just morally bankrupt and would stand behind Satan if he did their bidding.
    So what do we call the “smart” people that still support Team Trump Treason? Moredeplorables? They’re smart enough to know better so what is it that motivates them and holds them steadfast in their support? Racism? Anti immigrant/other? Owning libs? Climate change deniability? The deplorables are too dumb to know better so they get a pass. But educated, repub elitists? What’s their excuse?
     
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,007
    Would it be fair to suggest the majority (or core) of his base is comprised of uneducated, white males?
    Call 'em whatever ya want. I think some of them thumb their nose at logic (the logic that Trump is horrible) as a "fuck you" to the people calling them uneducated, racist, etc. 

    So you think some of 'em have their feelings hurt and would vote against McDonald if smart people were nicer to them or accepted their views on race?
    I know plenty of people without a formal education that are extremely smart. Especially in actual life activities. So I’d be careful making the leap from “uneducated” (which is indeed a cutdown as it’s not really true) to not smart. 

    My father is one of the smartest men I know and has a grade 7 education. He's also smart enough to know a fraud when he sees one: he thinks Donald Trump (lol) is a f**king idiot.

    You don't have to be smart to understand Donald Trump is a f**king idiot. You just have to be a little brighter than a gnat. Even the racist bastards who stand behind he guy realize he's a f**king idiot- they're just morally bankrupt and would stand behind Satan if he did their bidding.
    So what do we call the “smart” people that still support Team Trump Treason? Moredeplorables? They’re smart enough to know better so what is it that motivates them and holds them steadfast in their support? Racism? Anti immigrant/other? Owning libs? Climate change deniability? The deplorables are too dumb to know better so they get a pass. But educated, repub elitists? What’s their excuse?
     
    We call them traitors, and they should be dealt with accordingly
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  • Would it be fair to suggest the majority (or core) of his base is comprised of uneducated, white males?
    Call 'em whatever ya want. I think some of them thumb their nose at logic (the logic that Trump is horrible) as a "fuck you" to the people calling them uneducated, racist, etc. 

    So you think some of 'em have their feelings hurt and would vote against McDonald if smart people were nicer to them or accepted their views on race?
    I know plenty of people without a formal education that are extremely smart. Especially in actual life activities. So I’d be careful making the leap from “uneducated” (which is indeed a cutdown as it’s not really true) to not smart. 

    My father is one of the smartest men I know and has a grade 7 education. He's also smart enough to know a fraud when he sees one: he thinks Donald Trump (lol) is a f**king idiot.

    You don't have to be smart to understand Donald Trump is a f**king idiot. You just have to be a little brighter than a gnat. Even the racist bastards who stand behind he guy realize he's a f**king idiot- they're just morally bankrupt and would stand behind Satan if he did their bidding.
    So what do we call the “smart” people that still support Team Trump Treason? Moredeplorables? They’re smart enough to know better so what is it that motivates them and holds them steadfast in their support? Racism? Anti immigrant/other? Owning libs? Climate change deniability? The deplorables are too dumb to know better so they get a pass. But educated, repub elitists? What’s their excuse?
     

    I've been saying it all along (as I'm sure you are aware)... there is simply no excuse. Bored with the old regime doesn't cut it.

    Processes aside, devout republicans should have been pissed that Donald Trump was placed on their plate. As crappy as Hillary might have been... the election results should have demonstrated a message to the GOP that the party faithful demands and deserves something with more integrity.

    I mean... Donald F**king Trump? Get f**king serious here.

    They sold out.  Pathetically.
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  • CM189191 said:
    "I know it’s not a precise analogy, but during the Trump administration, I’ve returned several times to a psychological study called “When Prophecy Fails,” about how members of a millenarian U.F.O. cult reacted when no extraterrestrial saviors appeared. Most redoubled their commitment to spreading the cult’s message, as if needing others to confirm their challenged faith. Most, but not all.

    Many MAGA hat-wearers will probably go to their graves insisting that Trump is an agent of American redemption. But as the economy shows signs of cooling and Republicans realize, with a panic, that driving white suburban women away from their party was a bad idea, I wonder if some are finding it harder to choke back their doubts. They might have thought they were Trump’s allies, or his constituents. They’ve only ever been his marks."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/19/opinion/trump-administration-businesses-democrats-midterms.html

    With their dignity in jeopardy, they double down on their failure-reinvigorated with the faint hope that just maybe they weren't.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 2,579
    CM189191 said:
    Would it be fair to suggest the majority (or core) of his base is comprised of uneducated, white males?
    Call 'em whatever ya want. I think some of them thumb their nose at logic (the logic that Trump is horrible) as a "fuck you" to the people calling them uneducated, racist, etc. 

    So you think some of 'em have their feelings hurt and would vote against McDonald if smart people were nicer to them or accepted their views on race?
    I know plenty of people without a formal education that are extremely smart. Especially in actual life activities. So I’d be careful making the leap from “uneducated” (which is indeed a cutdown as it’s not really true) to not smart. 

    My father is one of the smartest men I know and has a grade 7 education. He's also smart enough to know a fraud when he sees one: he thinks Donald Trump (lol) is a f**king idiot.

    You don't have to be smart to understand Donald Trump is a f**king idiot. You just have to be a little brighter than a gnat. Even the racist bastards who stand behind he guy realize he's a f**king idiot- they're just morally bankrupt and would stand behind Satan if he did their bidding.
    So what do we call the “smart” people that still support Team Trump Treason? Moredeplorables? They’re smart enough to know better so what is it that motivates them and holds them steadfast in their support? Racism? Anti immigrant/other? Owning libs? Climate change deniability? The deplorables are too dumb to know better so they get a pass. But educated, repub elitists? What’s their excuse?
     
    We call them traitors, and they should be dealt with accordingly
    Careful...that's what the base says about anyone who dares challenge Trump and in the second term, they may actually be dealt with accordingly.  We are not "dealing with them accordingly."  That would be as un-American as the shit they support.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,209
    CM189191 said:
    Would it be fair to suggest the majority (or core) of his base is comprised of uneducated, white males?
    Call 'em whatever ya want. I think some of them thumb their nose at logic (the logic that Trump is horrible) as a "fuck you" to the people calling them uneducated, racist, etc. 

    So you think some of 'em have their feelings hurt and would vote against McDonald if smart people were nicer to them or accepted their views on race?
    I know plenty of people without a formal education that are extremely smart. Especially in actual life activities. So I’d be careful making the leap from “uneducated” (which is indeed a cutdown as it’s not really true) to not smart. 

    My father is one of the smartest men I know and has a grade 7 education. He's also smart enough to know a fraud when he sees one: he thinks Donald Trump (lol) is a f**king idiot.

    You don't have to be smart to understand Donald Trump is a f**king idiot. You just have to be a little brighter than a gnat. Even the racist bastards who stand behind he guy realize he's a f**king idiot- they're just morally bankrupt and would stand behind Satan if he did their bidding.
    So what do we call the “smart” people that still support Team Trump Treason? Moredeplorables? They’re smart enough to know better so what is it that motivates them and holds them steadfast in their support? Racism? Anti immigrant/other? Owning libs? Climate change deniability? The deplorables are too dumb to know better so they get a pass. But educated, repub elitists? What’s their excuse?
     
    We call them traitors, and they should be dealt with accordingly
    How’s that exactly?
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,007
    CM189191 said:
    Would it be fair to suggest the majority (or core) of his base is comprised of uneducated, white males?
    Call 'em whatever ya want. I think some of them thumb their nose at logic (the logic that Trump is horrible) as a "fuck you" to the people calling them uneducated, racist, etc. 

    So you think some of 'em have their feelings hurt and would vote against McDonald if smart people were nicer to them or accepted their views on race?
    I know plenty of people without a formal education that are extremely smart. Especially in actual life activities. So I’d be careful making the leap from “uneducated” (which is indeed a cutdown as it’s not really true) to not smart. 

    My father is one of the smartest men I know and has a grade 7 education. He's also smart enough to know a fraud when he sees one: he thinks Donald Trump (lol) is a f**king idiot.

    You don't have to be smart to understand Donald Trump is a f**king idiot. You just have to be a little brighter than a gnat. Even the racist bastards who stand behind he guy realize he's a f**king idiot- they're just morally bankrupt and would stand behind Satan if he did their bidding.
    So what do we call the “smart” people that still support Team Trump Treason? Moredeplorables? They’re smart enough to know better so what is it that motivates them and holds them steadfast in their support? Racism? Anti immigrant/other? Owning libs? Climate change deniability? The deplorables are too dumb to know better so they get a pass. But educated, repub elitists? What’s their excuse?
     
    We call them traitors, and they should be dealt with accordingly
    How’s that exactly?

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 48,066
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    I was paying attention long before the elevator ride
    So, do you need a ladder to get up on that horse of yours? 
    No, i don't ride horses.

    I also don't devalue people and look down on them because they don't have a college degree.
    So you save it just for the people here? :lol:
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 48,066
    Would it be fair to suggest the majority (or core) of his base is comprised of uneducated, white males?
    Call 'em whatever ya want. I think some of them thumb their nose at logic (the logic that Trump is horrible) as a "fuck you" to the people calling them uneducated, racist, etc. 

    So you think some of 'em have their feelings hurt and would vote against McDonald if smart people were nicer to them or accepted their views on race?
    I know plenty of people without a formal education that are extremely smart. Especially in actual life activities. So I’d be careful making the leap from “uneducated” (which is indeed a cutdown as it’s not really true) to not smart. 

    My father is one of the smartest men I know and has a grade 7 education. He's also smart enough to know a fraud when he sees one: he thinks Donald Trump (lol) is a f**king idiot.

    You don't have to be smart to understand Donald Trump is a f**king idiot. You just have to be a little brighter than a gnat. Even the racist bastards who stand behind he guy realize he's a f**king idiot- they're just morally bankrupt and would stand behind Satan if he did their bidding.
    So what do we call the “smart” people that still support Team Trump Treason? Moredeplorables? They’re smart enough to know better so what is it that motivates them and holds them steadfast in their support? Racism? Anti immigrant/other? Owning libs? Climate change deniability? The deplorables are too dumb to know better so they get a pass. But educated, repub elitists? What’s their excuse?
     
    Those are the assholes I keep talking about.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    I was paying attention long before the elevator ride
    So, do you need a ladder to get up on that horse of yours? 
    No, i don't ride horses.

    I also don't devalue people and look down on them because they don't have a college degree.
    So you save it just for the people here? :lol:
    I don't look down on anybody here, at all. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 48,066
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    I was paying attention long before the elevator ride
    So, do you need a ladder to get up on that horse of yours? 
    No, i don't ride horses.

    I also don't devalue people and look down on them because they don't have a college degree.
    So you save it just for the people here? :lol:
    I don't look down on anybody here, at all. 
    Oh really? Okay... Well you totally act like it and your words suggest you do. Just FYI. You must somehow be oblivious to this fact.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,209
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    I was paying attention long before the elevator ride
    So, do you need a ladder to get up on that horse of yours? 
    No, i don't ride horses.

    I also don't devalue people and look down on them because they don't have a college degree.
    So you save it just for the people here? :lol:
    I don't look down on anybody here, at all. 
    Oh really? Okay... Well you totally act like it and your words suggest you do. Just FYI. You must somehow be oblivious to this fact.
    Probably half of the people here do this regularly with a smaller % doing it a lot. And I wouldn’t put my2hands in either category. 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,007
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    I was paying attention long before the elevator ride
    So, do you need a ladder to get up on that horse of yours? 
    No, i don't ride horses.

    I also don't devalue people and look down on them because they don't have a college degree.
    So you save it just for the people here? :lol:
    I don't look down on anybody here, at all. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 48,066
    edited November 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    I was paying attention long before the elevator ride
    So, do you need a ladder to get up on that horse of yours? 
    No, i don't ride horses.

    I also don't devalue people and look down on them because they don't have a college degree.
    So you save it just for the people here? :lol:
    I don't look down on anybody here, at all. 
    Oh really? Okay... Well you totally act like it and your words suggest you do. Just FYI. You must somehow be oblivious to this fact.
    Probably half of the people here do this regularly with a smaller % doing it a lot. And I wouldn’t put my2hands in either category. 
    Well I actually think he does it way more than anyone else here by far - I think you and I must be looking at two different types of behaviours.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,209
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    I was paying attention long before the elevator ride
    So, do you need a ladder to get up on that horse of yours? 
    No, i don't ride horses.

    I also don't devalue people and look down on them because they don't have a college degree.
    So you save it just for the people here? :lol:
    I don't look down on anybody here, at all. 
    Oh really? Okay... Well you totally act like it and your words suggest you do. Just FYI. You must somehow be oblivious to this fact.
    Probably half of the people here do this regularly with a smaller % doing it a lot. And I wouldn’t put my2hands in either category. 
    Well I actually think he does it way more than anyone else here by far - I think you and I must be looking and two different types of behaviours.
    Shocking ;)
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