CA will be purging 1.5 mil voters off the roles thanks to judicial watch. CA gives illegals voter registration when they get their drivers licenses. there's 33 mil people in CA about the size of all of Canada. So did she really win the popular vote or just the most in the highest density 2 states, CA/NY. my response was about storm drain and people's selective moral outrage. you just hate Trump
Hey admire folks who own up to their voting for an idiot 👍 keep it up ..
and still the only response is that you hate Trump. hopefully a new PJ might help with TDS
A new PJ? What's quitting or being added? Dang me! That's news!
TDS: Trump Derangement Syndrome- A very common malady, actually. Anyone who hasn't been afflicted is either out of the loop, apathetic, extremely stoic, or brain dead.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
and still the only response is that you hate Trump. hopefully a new PJ might help with TDS
A new PJ? What's quitting or being added? Dang me! That's news!
TDS: Trump Derangement Syndrome- A very common malady, actually. Anyone who hasn't been afflicted is either out of the loop, apathetic, extremely stoic, or brain dead.
TDS: trump derangement syndrome defined by unending support for an immature, lying, misogynistic, narcissistic, racist, xenophobic, white nationalist A trump supporter is a person whose life and beliefs are driven by fear, hate, ignorance, jealousy, and lies.
CA will be purging 1.5 mil voters off the roles thanks to judicial watch. CA gives illegals voter registration when they get their drivers licenses. there's 33 mil people in CA about the size of all of Canada. So did she really win the popular vote or just the most in the highest density 2 states, CA/NY. my response was about storm drain and people's selective moral outrage. you just hate Trump
First, I do hate Trump, I really really do, I think he’s a waste of oxygen on the planet, but I can still form a logical opinion based on facts.
Next, it's not wise you default to entirely unprovable premises like 'illegals voter registration when they get their drivers licenses' being responsible for swaying the popular vote results materially (edited to finish the thought, and to soften my tone because I was about to be rude).
If you think the voter roll purge is important, are you saying there's a mass wave of 'illegals' (and probably 'dems' too) currently stealing the identity of deceased or out-of-state Americans to unlawfully vote, risks of being apprehended for that and also being 'illegals' be damned? Otherwise, the voter roll is just the list of eligible voters - not the votes - and this would have no bearing on the last or any future elections. The indirect impact of the purge is to those who just made honest mistakes, and of course there have to be real situations with ill-intent, like 'illegals' using others' ID to be fair on this.
On the 33 million people in California as well, your implication is pretty clear: these are people of such poor moral character that you can count on an epidemic of them voting illegally because they can. You seem to think these cases are everywhere, but I really don't think that community is collectively void of character like that behaviour would require. Usually, people are just trying to get by.
I just want to understand where you're coming from. Am I missing something or do I have it wrong?
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so just to be clear. the dems voted against illegals NOT being able to vote in our elections this week.
I just want to understand where you're coming from. Am I missing something or do I have it wrong?
You must be talking about the portion in the bill about automatically being opted into being a voter, as opposed to by default being opted out, and the ID requirements being too lax to fairly gauge that a person is an American citizen. How does that become “the dems voted against illegals NOT being able to vote in our elections (which, with a few less double negatives, could simply be written “the dems voted FOR illegals being able to vote in our elections”)”?
In addition, any authentically pro-democracy politician should take a proposal which attempts to get more people voting and say “let’s work this into something that expands our ability to engage our citizens in arguably their most important role, while still assuring that our election is securely and exclusively open to Americans”. Instead, you get McConnell saying this is DOA. No matter what belief system you come from, I find it disturbing that politicians are so openly combatting the pursuit of necessary improvements to democracy, and I find it more disturbing how few people seem to give a flying fuck.
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so just to be clear. the dems voted against illegals NOT being able to vote in our elections this week.
I just want to understand where you're coming from. Am I missing something or do I have it wrong?
You must be talking about the portion in the bill about automatically being opted into being a voter, as opposed to by default being opted out, and the ID requirements being too lax to fairly gauge that a person is an American citizen. How does that become “the dems voted against illegals NOT being able to vote in our elections (which, with a few less double negatives, could simply be written “the dems voted FOR illegals being able to vote in our elections”)”?
In addition, any authentically pro-democracy politician should take a proposal which attempts to get more people voting and say “let’s work this into something that expands our ability to engage our citizens in arguably their most important role, while still assuring that our election is securely and exclusively open to Americans”. Instead, you get McConnell saying this is DOA. No matter what belief system you come from, I find it disturbing that politicians are so openly combatting the pursuit of necessary improvements to democracy, and I find it more disturbing how few people seem to give a flying fuck.
Think of H.R. 1 as the Merrick Garland of reform legislation.
Mr. McConnell called the bill the “Democrat Politician Protection Act” (and a “turkey”) and predicted that lawmakers who back it will suffer come re-election time. As political logic, this is questionable. If the Republican leader really thought the package was a loser, he would absolutely bring it to the floor to force Democratic lawmakers to own it — which is, notably, the path he has pledged to pursue with the Green New Deal, which is supported by many Democrats. The Green New Deal, an assortment of ideas for fighting climate change and remaking the economy, is even more sprawling and amorphous than the For the People Act. Mr. McConnell is panting to have members vote on it.
Asked this week why the two measures were being handled so differently, the Republican leader didn’t bother making up excuses. He said simply, “Because I get to decide what we vote on.”
This grade-school taunt masks a deep current of fear and loathing. Loathing, because Mr. McConnell is a longtime enemy of campaign finance reform. Killing such efforts can seem like his singular legislative passion.
so just to be clear. the dems voted against illegals NOT being able to vote in our elections this week.
I just want to understand where you're coming from. Am I missing something or do I have it wrong?
You must be talking about the portion in the bill about automatically being opted into being a voter, as opposed to by default being opted out, and the ID requirements being too lax to fairly gauge that a person is an American citizen. How does that become “the dems voted against illegals NOT being able to vote in our elections (which, with a few less double negatives, could simply be written “the dems voted FOR illegals being able to vote in our elections”)”?
In addition, any authentically pro-democracy politician should take a proposal which attempts to get more people voting and say “let’s work this into something that expands our ability to engage our citizens in arguably their most important role, while still assuring that our election is securely and exclusively open to Americans”. Instead, you get McConnell saying this is DOA. No matter what belief system you come from, I find it disturbing that politicians are so openly combatting the pursuit of necessary improvements to democracy, and I find it more disturbing how few people seem to give a flying fuck.
Thank you, Ben! I was trying to figure out what the heck that statement meant.
And you are so right, expanding (let alone simply re-securing) democracy does not seem to be on a huge number of politicians agendas, especially (OK to say "no shit" here!) politicians on the right.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
so just to be clear. the dems voted against illegals NOT being able to vote in our elections this week.
I just want to understand where you're coming from. Am I missing something or do I have it wrong?
You must be talking about the portion in the bill about automatically being opted into being a voter, as opposed to by default being opted out, and the ID requirements being too lax to fairly gauge that a person is an American citizen. How does that become “the dems voted against illegals NOT being able to vote in our elections (which, with a few less double negatives, could simply be written “the dems voted FOR illegals being able to vote in our elections”)”?
In addition, any authentically pro-democracy politician should take a proposal which attempts to get more people voting and say “let’s work this into something that expands our ability to engage our citizens in arguably their most important role, while still assuring that our election is securely and exclusively open to Americans”. Instead, you get McConnell saying this is DOA. No matter what belief system you come from, I find it disturbing that politicians are so openly combatting the pursuit of necessary improvements to democracy, and I find it more disturbing how few people seem to give a flying fuck.
Thank you, Ben! I was trying to figure out what the heck that statement meant.
And you are so right, expanding (let alone simply re-securing) democracy does not seem to be on a huge number of politicians agendas, especially (OK to say "no shit" here!) politicians on the right.
All dem house members have it on their agenda. The repubs? Not so much.
House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said the United States must not suppress the
vote of newly arrived legal immigrants — including those foreign
nationals who arrive en masse at the U.S.-Mexico border.
During a press conference in Austin, Texas this week, Pelosi admitted
that the goal for the country’s mass illegal and legal immigration
system is to ensure the more than 1.5 million new arrivals who come to
the U.S. every year are on the voter rolls.
Pelosi added that it is immigrants, not American citizens, who make the nation “more American.”
When we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are,
that we all have been – our families. And that, unless you’re blessed
to be Native American – which is a blessing in itself that we respect –
but that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism,
courage, to make the future better for the next generation, those are
American traits. [Emphasis added]
And these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system. And that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America. [Emphasis added]
House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said the United States must not suppress the
vote of newly arrived legal immigrants — including those foreign
nationals who arrive en masse at the U.S.-Mexico border.
During a press conference in Austin, Texas this week, Pelosi admitted
that the goal for the country’s mass illegal and legal immigration
system is to ensure the more than 1.5 million new arrivals who come to
the U.S. every year are on the voter rolls.
Pelosi added that it is immigrants, not American citizens, who make the nation “more American.”
When we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are,
that we all have been – our families. And that, unless you’re blessed
to be Native American – which is a blessing in itself that we respect –
but that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism,
courage, to make the future better for the next generation, those are
American traits. [Emphasis added]
And these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system. And that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America. [Emphasis added]
Why is this in this thread? Start a Nancy Pelosi thread. Source of the above?
House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said the United States must not suppress the
vote of newly arrived legal immigrants — including those foreign
nationals who arrive en masse at the U.S.-Mexico border.
During a press conference in Austin, Texas this week, Pelosi admitted
that the goal for the country’s mass illegal and legal immigration
system is to ensure the more than 1.5 million new arrivals who come to
the U.S. every year are on the voter rolls.
Pelosi added that it is immigrants, not American citizens, who make the nation “more American.”
When we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are,
that we all have been – our families. And that, unless you’re blessed
to be Native American – which is a blessing in itself that we respect –
but that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism,
courage, to make the future better for the next generation, those are
American traits. [Emphasis added]
And these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system. And that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America. [Emphasis added]
Ugh dude you have to be an American citizen to vote and please post a link where she states that Immigrants who just crossed the border should be able to vote ..
House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said the United States must not suppress the
vote of newly arrived legal immigrants — including those foreign
nationals who arrive en masse at the U.S.-Mexico border.
During a press conference in Austin, Texas this week, Pelosi admitted
that the goal for the country’s mass illegal and legal immigration
system is to ensure the more than 1.5 million new arrivals who come to
the U.S. every year are on the voter rolls.
Pelosi added that it is immigrants, not American citizens, who make the nation “more American.”
When we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are,
that we all have been – our families. And that, unless you’re blessed
to be Native American – which is a blessing in itself that we respect –
but that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism,
courage, to make the future better for the next generation, those are
American traits. [Emphasis added]
And these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system. And that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America. [Emphasis added]
Why is this in this thread? Start a Nancy Pelosi thread. Source of the above?
I googled the first bolded section. Every result on the first page, except for Pelosi's own site, was from a right wing regressive conservative lying sack of shit source.
Here is what she said....
"So, when we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are, that we all have been, our families. Unless you are blessed to be Native American, which is a blessing in itself, which we respect. But that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism, courage to make the future better for the next generation – those are American traits – and these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system and that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America."
I bet foodshop would has no problem with all European illegals staying here and voting , people act like all immigration is from our southern borders ...
House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said the United States must not suppress the
vote of newly arrived legal immigrants — including those foreign
nationals who arrive en masse at the U.S.-Mexico border.
During a press conference in Austin, Texas this week, Pelosi admitted
that the goal for the country’s mass illegal and legal immigration
system is to ensure the more than 1.5 million new arrivals who come to
the U.S. every year are on the voter rolls.
Pelosi added that it is immigrants, not American citizens, who make the nation “more American.”
When we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are,
that we all have been – our families. And that, unless you’re blessed
to be Native American – which is a blessing in itself that we respect –
but that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism,
courage, to make the future better for the next generation, those are
American traits. [Emphasis added]
And these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system. And that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America. [Emphasis added]
Next, for anyone who wants to watch the original source and gives two shits about context, here's the actual presentation. The soundbite being incorrectly represented as an endorsement for illegal voting occurs roughly 3 minutes from the end of the video, but I recommend starting a few minutes prior to that to understand where Pelosi is coming from. I apologize that this is a Facebook link, I apologize more that it's a Fox News video (though to their credit it's an uninterrupted broadcast of her speech), and I apologize most that anyone who watches will have to ignore the vile comments and shockingly off-base conclusions from Fox News viewers. Disclaimers out of the way, go ahead. https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/255374345371894/
Finally, I agree with Pelosi with respect to ensuring votes aren't suppressed, and I feel that 'newcomers' should only include documented newcomers. I also feel pretty confident that she meant the same, and hope she explicitly confirms that to cut out this nonsense being spewed exclusively on right-wing media networks and spread by people who will spread first and validate second such as yourself.
Ultimately, I feel if you think the DNC-controlled Speaker of the House is foolish or anti-progressive enough to endorse undocumented immigrants receiving the right to vote, you're not thinking logically. What strategy would that serve?
EDIT: On the Breitbart link, there's an outright lie just underneath what foodshop quoted: "The “newcomers” who should be fully able to participate in voting, Pelosi said, include the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and border crossers who arrive at the southern border every year." This was not said at all.
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Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said the United States must not suppress the
vote of newly arrived legal immigrants — including those foreign
nationals who arrive en masse at the U.S.-Mexico border.
During a press conference in Austin, Texas this week, Pelosi admitted
that the goal for the country’s mass illegal and legal immigration
system is to ensure the more than 1.5 million new arrivals who come to
the U.S. every year are on the voter rolls.
Pelosi added that it is immigrants, not American citizens, who make the nation “more American.”
When we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are,
that we all have been – our families. And that, unless you’re blessed
to be Native American – which is a blessing in itself that we respect –
but that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism,
courage, to make the future better for the next generation, those are
American traits. [Emphasis added]
And these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system. And that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America. [Emphasis added]
Next, for anyone who wants to watch the original source and gives two shits about context, here's the actual presentation. The soundbite being incorrectly represented as an endorsement for illegal voting occurs roughly 3 minutes from the end of the video, but I recommend starting a few minutes prior to that to understand where Pelosi is coming from. I apologize that this is a Facebook link, I apologize more that it's a Fox News video (though to their credit it's an uninterrupted broadcast of her speech), and I apologize most that anyone who watches will have to ignore the vile comments and shockingly off-base conclusions from Fox News viewers. Disclaimers out of the way, go ahead. https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/255374345371894/
Finally, I agree with Pelosi with respect to ensuring votes aren't suppressed, and I feel that 'newcomers' should only include documented newcomers. I also feel pretty confident that she meant the same, and hope she explicitly confirms that to cut out this nonsense being spewed exclusively on right-wing media networks and spread by people who will spread first and validate second such as yourself.
Ultimately, I feel if you think the DNC-controlled Speaker of the House is foolish or anti-progressive enough to endorse undocumented immigrants receiving the right to vote, you're not thinking logically. What strategy would that serve?
EDIT: On the Breitbart link, there's an outright lie just underneath what foodshop quoted: "The “newcomers” who should be fully able to participate in voting, Pelosi said, include the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and border crossers who arrive at the southern border every year." This was not said at all.
I figured it was what you stated or Putin on the ritz’s trolling so I googled it as well and came up with the same no basis in reality sources. Still nice to see someone go through the effort you did to discredit the poster. And I’m the sucker? ‘Murica, woot!
House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said the United States must not suppress the
vote of newly arrived legal immigrants — including those foreign
nationals who arrive en masse at the U.S.-Mexico border.
During a press conference in Austin, Texas this week, Pelosi admitted
that the goal for the country’s mass illegal and legal immigration
system is to ensure the more than 1.5 million new arrivals who come to
the U.S. every year are on the voter rolls.
Pelosi added that it is immigrants, not American citizens, who make the nation “more American.”
When we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are,
that we all have been – our families. And that, unless you’re blessed
to be Native American – which is a blessing in itself that we respect –
but that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism,
courage, to make the future better for the next generation, those are
American traits. [Emphasis added]
And these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system. And that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America. [Emphasis added]
Next, for anyone who wants to watch the original source and gives two shits about context, here's the actual presentation. The soundbite being incorrectly represented as an endorsement for illegal voting occurs roughly 3 minutes from the end of the video, but I recommend starting a few minutes prior to that to understand where Pelosi is coming from. I apologize that this is a Facebook link, I apologize more that it's a Fox News video (though to their credit it's an uninterrupted broadcast of her speech), and I apologize most that anyone who watches will have to ignore the vile comments and shockingly off-base conclusions from Fox News viewers. Disclaimers out of the way, go ahead. https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/255374345371894/
Finally, I agree with Pelosi with respect to ensuring votes aren't suppressed, and I feel that 'newcomers' should only include documented newcomers. I also feel pretty confident that she meant the same, and hope she explicitly confirms that to cut out this nonsense being spewed exclusively on right-wing media networks and spread by people who will spread first and validate second such as yourself.
Ultimately, I feel if you think the DNC-controlled Speaker of the House is foolish or anti-progressive enough to endorse undocumented immigrants receiving the right to vote, you're not thinking logically. What strategy would that serve?
EDIT: On the Breitbart link, there's an outright lie just underneath what foodshop quoted: "The “newcomers” who should be fully able to participate in voting, Pelosi said, include the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and border crossers who arrive at the southern border every year." This was not said at all.
I figured it was what you stated or Putin on the ritz’s trolling so I googled it as well and came up with the same no basis in reality sources. Still nice to see someone go through the effort you did to discredit the poster. And I’m the sucker? ‘Murica, woot!
With respect to 'was it America or someone else', I think (or at least hope) it's both. If you watch some of that Facebook video, it actually shows the comments as they came in as they were live streamed, and I think it's likely that troll farms were posting at least some, possibly many of them. That said, I don't think the presence of a troll farm necessarily limits the nefarious act to Russia, and I suspect while we're all critical of them for that behaviour, I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see it from American lobbies and/or politicians either.
Regarding the effort - the sad thing was how little investigation it took. If foodshop had had any commitment to finding and sharing truths instead of sharing his preconceived viewpoints (and shaping evidence to fit his narrative), he'd have discovered these same realities in five minutes or less.
'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said the United States must not suppress the
vote of newly arrived legal immigrants — including those foreign
nationals who arrive en masse at the U.S.-Mexico border.
During a press conference in Austin, Texas this week, Pelosi admitted
that the goal for the country’s mass illegal and legal immigration
system is to ensure the more than 1.5 million new arrivals who come to
the U.S. every year are on the voter rolls.
Pelosi added that it is immigrants, not American citizens, who make the nation “more American.”
When we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are,
that we all have been – our families. And that, unless you’re blessed
to be Native American – which is a blessing in itself that we respect –
but that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism,
courage, to make the future better for the next generation, those are
American traits. [Emphasis added]
And these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system. And that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America. [Emphasis added]
Next, for anyone who wants to watch the original source and gives two shits about context, here's the actual presentation. The soundbite being incorrectly represented as an endorsement for illegal voting occurs roughly 3 minutes from the end of the video, but I recommend starting a few minutes prior to that to understand where Pelosi is coming from. I apologize that this is a Facebook link, I apologize more that it's a Fox News video (though to their credit it's an uninterrupted broadcast of her speech), and I apologize most that anyone who watches will have to ignore the vile comments and shockingly off-base conclusions from Fox News viewers. Disclaimers out of the way, go ahead. https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/255374345371894/
Finally, I agree with Pelosi with respect to ensuring votes aren't suppressed, and I feel that 'newcomers' should only include documented newcomers. I also feel pretty confident that she meant the same, and hope she explicitly confirms that to cut out this nonsense being spewed exclusively on right-wing media networks and spread by people who will spread first and validate second such as yourself.
Ultimately, I feel if you think the DNC-controlled Speaker of the House is foolish or anti-progressive enough to endorse undocumented immigrants receiving the right to vote, you're not thinking logically. What strategy would that serve?
EDIT: On the Breitbart link, there's an outright lie just underneath what foodshop quoted: "The “newcomers” who should be fully able to participate in voting, Pelosi said, include the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and border crossers who arrive at the southern border every year." This was not said at all.
I figured it was what you stated or Putin on the ritz’s trolling so I googled it as well and came up with the same no basis in reality sources. Still nice to see someone go through the effort you did to discredit the poster. And I’m the sucker? ‘Murica, woot!
With respect to 'was it America or someone else', I think (or at least hope) it's both. If you watch some of that Facebook video, it actually shows the comments as they came in as they were live streamed, and I think it's likely that troll farms were posting at least some, possibly many of them. That said, I don't think the presence of a troll farm necessarily limits the nefarious act to Russia, and I suspect while we're all critical of them for that behaviour, I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see it from American lobbies and/or politicians either.
Regarding the effort - the sad thing was how little investigation it took. If foodshop had had any commitment to finding and sharing truths instead of sharing his preconceived viewpoints (and shaping evidence to fit his narrative), he'd have discovered these same realities in five minutes or less.
Oh, I’m under no illusions that American or other political actors of smear campaigns do the same but it seems one side has a monopoly on the poisoning of political discourse because they have national media outlets that echo the disinformation, lending it credence. Me thinks the post was deliberate, knowing and purposeful, hence the lack of a link. I can’t imagine the dupes on faceturd but Putin on the ritz can.
House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said the United States must not suppress the
vote of newly arrived legal immigrants — including those foreign
nationals who arrive en masse at the U.S.-Mexico border.
During a press conference in Austin, Texas this week, Pelosi admitted
that the goal for the country’s mass illegal and legal immigration
system is to ensure the more than 1.5 million new arrivals who come to
the U.S. every year are on the voter rolls.
Pelosi added that it is immigrants, not American citizens, who make the nation “more American.”
When we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are,
that we all have been – our families. And that, unless you’re blessed
to be Native American – which is a blessing in itself that we respect –
but that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism,
courage, to make the future better for the next generation, those are
American traits. [Emphasis added]
And these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system. And that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America. [Emphasis added]
Next, for anyone who wants to watch the original source and gives two shits about context, here's the actual presentation. The soundbite being incorrectly represented as an endorsement for illegal voting occurs roughly 3 minutes from the end of the video, but I recommend starting a few minutes prior to that to understand where Pelosi is coming from. I apologize that this is a Facebook link, I apologize more that it's a Fox News video (though to their credit it's an uninterrupted broadcast of her speech), and I apologize most that anyone who watches will have to ignore the vile comments and shockingly off-base conclusions from Fox News viewers. Disclaimers out of the way, go ahead. https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/255374345371894/
Finally, I agree with Pelosi with respect to ensuring votes aren't suppressed, and I feel that 'newcomers' should only include documented newcomers. I also feel pretty confident that she meant the same, and hope she explicitly confirms that to cut out this nonsense being spewed exclusively on right-wing media networks and spread by people who will spread first and validate second such as yourself.
Ultimately, I feel if you think the DNC-controlled Speaker of the House is foolish or anti-progressive enough to endorse undocumented immigrants receiving the right to vote, you're not thinking logically. What strategy would that serve?
EDIT: On the Breitbart link, there's an outright lie just underneath what foodshop quoted: "The “newcomers” who should be fully able to participate in voting, Pelosi said, include the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and border crossers who arrive at the southern border every year." This was not said at all.
I figured it was what you stated or Putin on the ritz’s trolling so I googled it as well and came up with the same no basis in reality sources. Still nice to see someone go through the effort you did to discredit the poster. And I’m the sucker? ‘Murica, woot!
With respect to 'was it America or someone else', I think (or at least hope) it's both. If you watch some of that Facebook video, it actually shows the comments as they came in as they were live streamed, and I think it's likely that troll farms were posting at least some, possibly many of them. That said, I don't think the presence of a troll farm necessarily limits the nefarious act to Russia, and I suspect while we're all critical of them for that behaviour, I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see it from American lobbies and/or politicians either.
Regarding the effort - the sad thing was how little investigation it took. If foodshop had had any commitment to finding and sharing truths instead of sharing his preconceived viewpoints (and shaping evidence to fit his narrative), he'd have discovered these same realities in five minutes or less.
Oh, I’m under no illusions that American or other political actors of smear campaigns do the same but it seems one side has a monopoly on the poisoning of political discourse because they have national media outlets that echo the disinformation, lending it credence. Me thinks the post was deliberate, knowing and purposeful, hence the lack of a link. I can’t imagine the dupes on faceturd but Putin on the ritz can.
Me thinks the same as you, but I haven't personally had back and forths on credibility with this poster yet, so I figured I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
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I bet foodshop would has no problem with all European illegals staying here and voting , people act like all immigration is from our southern borders ...
this says it all...no, not big on the bs visa program, not big on seeing my taxes increase every year because someone from anywhere can somehow get heat, housing, food, medical and whatever other goodies that are floating around and yet LA has typhus. do those people count? Seattle, Portland...all blue all taking better care of non-citizens than Americans.
i think i'll bow out and let the smart non-triggered here folks save the world. we have a 50/50 shot at that or a new PJ record!
Seems the tide may be shifting. Imagine the number of lies told over four years. Just play that Tim Apple tape and Team Trump Treason’s response and ask why, if he lies about this, imagine what else he’s lying about and then ask why he deserves to be re-elected.
I bet foodshop would has no problem with all European illegals staying here and voting , people act like all immigration is from our southern borders ...
this says it all...no, not big on the bs visa program, not big on seeing my taxes increase every year because someone from anywhere can somehow get heat, housing, food, medical and whatever other goodies that are floating around and yet LA has typhus. do those people count? Seattle, Portland...all blue all taking better care of non-citizens than Americans.
i think i'll bow out and let the smart non-triggered here folks save the world. we have a 50/50 shot at that or a new PJ record!
I think the definition of being triggered is being so fearful of the brown folk that you were swindled by the orange man in the white house to believe it.
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yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game
So... your claim is that Canada isn't a diverse place? Diversity is as much a Canadian thing as hockey is, and if you're going to make outlandish claims, can you be at least a bit less lazy, and confirm someone can't prove you wrong that easily? You've wasted my time which I wasted just to make sure lies don't linger last and people don't buy this crap. I typed "canada diversity" into Google and the below was the first link.
By the way - anecdotally, I work extremely closely with a Lithuanian accountant, a Russian merchandiser, an Ethiopian (and Muslim if we're mentioning religious diversity) analyst, a South African project manager, a Chinese store manager, an Indian developer (who replaced a great guy who was Indonesian), two managers from England (and one from Ireland). By the way, I'm extremely fortunate to work with said people. They're respected and integrated members of our workplace community, who I've learned plenty about a strong work ethic from.
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yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game
lol wtf ok what ever you say/think this mess of a President is yours to own , history will show you were on the wrong side I hope you will have the courage to admit it to your grandchildren that you stood behind a total idiot ..
yes, because Canada is so diverse. i'm sure you are hanging out with a ton of brown people right now at a hockey game
So... your claim is that Canada isn't a diverse place? Diversity is as much a Canadian thing as hockey is, and if you're going to make outlandish claims, can you be at least a bit less lazy, and confirm someone can't prove you wrong that easily? You've wasted my time which I wasted just to make sure lies don't linger last and people don't buy this crap. I typed "canada diversity" into Google and the below was the first link.
By the way - anecdotally, I work extremely closely with a Lithuanian accountant, a Russian merchandiser, an Ethiopian (and Muslim if we're mentioning religious diversity) analyst, a South African project manager, a Chinese store manager, an Indian developer (who replaced a great guy who was Indonesian), two managers from England (and one from Ireland). By the way, I'm extremely fortunate to work with said people. They're respected and integrated members of our workplace community, who I've learned plenty about a strong work ethic from.
Yeah but a great comment. However if comparing to the US.
canadian mintorities = 20% (rounded) us minorities = 52%
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What do you like about what Trump has done as POTUS so far? Why does he enjoy your support? What things don't you like
A trump supporter is a person whose life and beliefs are driven by fear, hate, ignorance, jealousy, and lies.
Next, it's not wise you default to entirely unprovable premises like 'illegals voter registration when they get their drivers licenses' being responsible for swaying the popular vote results materially (edited to finish the thought, and to soften my tone because I was about to be rude).
If you think the voter roll purge is important, are you saying there's a mass wave of 'illegals' (and probably 'dems' too) currently stealing the identity of deceased or out-of-state Americans to unlawfully vote, risks of being apprehended for that and also being 'illegals' be damned? Otherwise, the voter roll is just the list of eligible voters - not the votes - and this would have no bearing on the last or any future elections. The indirect impact of the purge is to those who just made honest mistakes, and of course there have to be real situations with ill-intent, like 'illegals' using others' ID to be fair on this.
On the 33 million people in California as well, your implication is pretty clear: these are people of such poor moral character that you can count on an epidemic of them voting illegally because they can. You seem to think these cases are everywhere, but I really don't think that community is collectively void of character like that behaviour would require. Usually, people are just trying to get by.
I just want to understand where you're coming from. Am I missing something or do I have it wrong?
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In addition, any authentically pro-democracy politician should take a proposal which attempts to get more people voting and say “let’s work this into something that expands our ability to engage our citizens in arguably their most important role, while still assuring that our election is securely and exclusively open to Americans”. Instead, you get McConnell saying this is DOA. No matter what belief system you come from, I find it disturbing that politicians are so openly combatting the pursuit of necessary improvements to democracy, and I find it more disturbing how few people seem to give a flying fuck.
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Particularly the Senate Majority Leader.
The Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, has been openly hostile to the anticorruption package since its inception. This week he made clear that he would refuse even to bring it up for a vote.
Think of H.R. 1 as the Merrick Garland of reform legislation.
Mr. McConnell called the bill the “Democrat Politician Protection Act” (and a “turkey”) and predicted that lawmakers who back it will suffer come re-election time. As political logic, this is questionable. If the Republican leader really thought the package was a loser, he would absolutely bring it to the floor to force Democratic lawmakers to own it — which is, notably, the path he has pledged to pursue with the Green New Deal, which is supported by many Democrats. The Green New Deal, an assortment of ideas for fighting climate change and remaking the economy, is even more sprawling and amorphous than the For the People Act. Mr. McConnell is panting to have members vote on it.
Asked this week why the two measures were being handled so differently, the Republican leader didn’t bother making up excuses. He said simply, “Because I get to decide what we vote on.”
This grade-school taunt masks a deep current of fear and loathing. Loathing, because Mr. McConnell is a longtime enemy of campaign finance reform. Killing such efforts can seem like his singular legislative passion.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/opinion/mcconnell-hr1-democrats-ethics-voting-rights.html
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said the United States must not suppress the vote of newly arrived legal immigrants — including those foreign nationals who arrive en masse at the U.S.-Mexico border.
During a press conference in Austin, Texas this week, Pelosi admitted that the goal for the country’s mass illegal and legal immigration system is to ensure the more than 1.5 million new arrivals who come to the U.S. every year are on the voter rolls.
Pelosi added that it is immigrants, not American citizens, who make the nation “more American.”
And these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system. And that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America. [Emphasis added]
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Here is what she said....
"So, when we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are, that we all have been, our families. Unless you are blessed to be Native American, which is a blessing in itself, which we respect. But that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism, courage to make the future better for the next generation – those are American traits – and these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system and that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America."
Next, for anyone who wants to watch the original source and gives two shits about context, here's the actual presentation. The soundbite being incorrectly represented as an endorsement for illegal voting occurs roughly 3 minutes from the end of the video, but I recommend starting a few minutes prior to that to understand where Pelosi is coming from. I apologize that this is a Facebook link, I apologize more that it's a Fox News video (though to their credit it's an uninterrupted broadcast of her speech), and I apologize most that anyone who watches will have to ignore the vile comments and shockingly off-base conclusions from Fox News viewers. Disclaimers out of the way, go ahead. https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/255374345371894/
Finally, I agree with Pelosi with respect to ensuring votes aren't suppressed, and I feel that 'newcomers' should only include documented newcomers. I also feel pretty confident that she meant the same, and hope she explicitly confirms that to cut out this nonsense being spewed exclusively on right-wing media networks and spread by people who will spread first and validate second such as yourself.
Ultimately, I feel if you think the DNC-controlled Speaker of the House is foolish or anti-progressive enough to endorse undocumented immigrants receiving the right to vote, you're not thinking logically. What strategy would that serve?
EDIT: On the Breitbart link, there's an outright lie just underneath what foodshop quoted:
"The “newcomers” who should be fully able to participate in voting, Pelosi said, include the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and border crossers who arrive at the southern border every year." This was not said at all.
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Regarding the effort - the sad thing was how little investigation it took. If foodshop had had any commitment to finding and sharing truths instead of sharing his preconceived viewpoints (and shaping evidence to fit his narrative), he'd have discovered these same realities in five minutes or less.
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https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm
By the way - anecdotally, I work extremely closely with a Lithuanian accountant, a Russian merchandiser, an Ethiopian (and Muslim if we're mentioning religious diversity) analyst, a South African project manager, a Chinese store manager, an Indian developer (who replaced a great guy who was Indonesian), two managers from England (and one from Ireland). By the way, I'm extremely fortunate to work with said people. They're respected and integrated members of our workplace community, who I've learned plenty about a strong work ethic from.
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canadian mintorities = 20% (rounded)
us minorities = 52%
definitly a big difference