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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    and how do you fix it? either they are appointed, or elected. we got trump by election, and kavanaugh by appointment. seems to me about the same result, just a different process. 

    republicans can complain about the same thing. how liberal judges are eroding the fabric of amerca's values. it goes both ways. 

    can you point me to a recent ruling where an obvious partisan ruling was black and white and should have gone the other way had they been, in your opinion, objective about it?
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  • mickeyrat
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and how do you fix it? either they are appointed, or elected. we got trump by election, and kavanaugh by appointment. seems to me about the same result, just a different process. 

    republicans can complain about the same thing. how liberal judges are eroding the fabric of amerca's values. it goes both ways. 

    can you point me to a recent ruling where an obvious partisan ruling was black and white and should have gone the other way had they been, in your opinion, objective about it?
    an idea which seems reasonable to me is 18 year terms in the current 9 justice iteration. perhaps even shrink by one to 8 for 16 years. every 2 years a justice leaves the court and a new one appointed. every president gets 2 nominees cycled in the  2nd and 4th years of an admin term by say april or may of a given year so as to not interfere with election cycles.  bar the senate from denying a vote on a nominee.
    if there is concern about appointment in election year then switch to 1st and 3rd year nomination,  say nomination by july or august, vote by early september, seating a new justice in time for new court term in october......

    at the same time we need to look at term limits for congress. before anyone says but we have elections for that, limits were placed on the presidency after fdr for a reason.  they can and maybe should also apply to the co-equal branches.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and how do you fix it? either they are appointed, or elected. we got trump by election, and kavanaugh by appointment. seems to me about the same result, just a different process. 

    republicans can complain about the same thing. how liberal judges are eroding the fabric of amerca's values. it goes both ways. 

    can you point me to a recent ruling where an obvious partisan ruling was black and white and should have gone the other way had they been, in your opinion, objective about it?
    Mickeyrat's answer was excellent. I also think there could be some way to make the process completely non-partisan, but I don't have time to work that out at the moment.

    The recent ruling that seem obviously partisan to me that first pops into my mind is the one on legalizing gay marriage. That was a 5-4 split and it should have been unanimous.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and how do you fix it? either they are appointed, or elected. we got trump by election, and kavanaugh by appointment. seems to me about the same result, just a different process. 

    republicans can complain about the same thing. how liberal judges are eroding the fabric of amerca's values. it goes both ways. 

    can you point me to a recent ruling where an obvious partisan ruling was black and white and should have gone the other way had they been, in your opinion, objective about it?
    Mickeyrat's answer was excellent. I also think there could be some way to make the process completely non-partisan, but I don't have time to work that out at the moment.

    The recent ruling that seem obviously partisan to me that first pops into my mind is the one on legalizing gay marriage. That was a 5-4 split and it should have been unanimous.
    true enough. not sure how that one didn't pop into my mind right away. blows my mind that it was so recent.  
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and how do you fix it? either they are appointed, or elected. we got trump by election, and kavanaugh by appointment. seems to me about the same result, just a different process. 

    republicans can complain about the same thing. how liberal judges are eroding the fabric of amerca's values. it goes both ways. 

    can you point me to a recent ruling where an obvious partisan ruling was black and white and should have gone the other way had they been, in your opinion, objective about it?
    Mickeyrat's answer was excellent. I also think there could be some way to make the process completely non-partisan, but I don't have time to work that out at the moment.

    The recent ruling that seem obviously partisan to me that first pops into my mind is the one on legalizing gay marriage. That was a 5-4 split and it should have been unanimous.
    true enough. not sure how that one didn't pop into my mind right away. blows my mind that it was so recent.  
    I shudder to think what might have happened if that ruling had happened just a little while later, after Trump stacked the SCOTUS in his favour.
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  • Bentleyspop
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    Forced birthers......

    Anti-abortion group announces $52 million budget to reelect Trump and anti-abortion Senate majority. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/17/politics/anti-abortion-sba-list-52-million-2020-budget/index.html
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Bentleyspop said:
    Forced birthers......

    Anti-abortion group announces $52 million budget to reelect Trump and anti-abortion Senate majority. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/17/politics/anti-abortion-sba-list-52-million-2020-budget/index.html
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  • Bentleyspop
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    So much fear, hate,  and ignorance.....


  • Ledbetterman10
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    edited January 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    And that....is politics in a nutshell. They're all the same. Hell, if there was a path to the presidency through the democratic primary, Trump would be at the border, with his arm around AOC's shoulder (or her waist, knowing him), lamenting the conditions at migrant detention centers. 

    "They're tremendous migrants than need our help! Just tremendous!"

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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    And that....is politics in a nutshell. They're all the same. Hell, if there was a path to the presidency through the democratic primary, Trump would be at the border, with his arm around AOC's shoulder (or her waist, knowing him), lamenting the conditions at migrant detention centers. 

    "They're tremendous migrants than need our help! Just tremendous!"

    i don't think they're all the same. I think there are many on both sides that are staunch "their team" and wouldn't switch. This guy either changed his mind or he's an opportunistic slime. 

    I agree 100% about trump, though. he would have easily run as a democrat if it had been open to him. 
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  • dignin
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    And that....is politics in a nutshell. They're all the same. Hell, if there was a path to the presidency through the democratic primary, Trump would be at the border, with his arm around AOC's shoulder (or her waist, knowing him), lamenting the conditions at migrant detention centers. 

    "They're tremendous migrants than need our help! Just tremendous!"

    Did you see Schiff yesterday? No, they aren't all the same.
  • Ledbetterman10
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    dignin said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    And that....is politics in a nutshell. They're all the same. Hell, if there was a path to the presidency through the democratic primary, Trump would be at the border, with his arm around AOC's shoulder (or her waist, knowing him), lamenting the conditions at migrant detention centers. 

    "They're tremendous migrants than need our help! Just tremendous!"

    Did you see Schiff yesterday? No, they aren't all the same.
    Well of course they're not ALL the same. It's hyperbole. I'm aware that some of these guys are more than dedicated to their team and would never waver. Hell, some won't give the other side the time of day to even negotiate. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Whatever happened to states’ rights? I guess it only matters when it comes to guns.

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited January 2020
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    And that....is politics in a nutshell. They're all the same. Hell, if there was a path to the presidency through the democratic primary, Trump would be at the border, with his arm around AOC's shoulder (or her waist, knowing him), lamenting the conditions at migrant detention centers. 

    "They're tremendous migrants than need our help! Just tremendous!"

    Trump would have chosen to be a democratic president over a republican president. No question about it.

    Ofc he wants to be loved by Bruce Springsteen and have George Clooney golf with him, instead of getting Ted Nugent and Dennis Miller.

    He knows he is Sauroman being forced to hang out with the uruk-hai. But it was his only way to power.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited January 2020
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    dignin said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    And that....is politics in a nutshell. They're all the same. Hell, if there was a path to the presidency through the democratic primary, Trump would be at the border, with his arm around AOC's shoulder (or her waist, knowing him), lamenting the conditions at migrant detention centers. 

    "They're tremendous migrants than need our help! Just tremendous!"

    Did you see Schiff yesterday? No, they aren't all the same.
    Well of course they're not ALL the same. It's hyperbole. I'm aware that some of these guys are more than dedicated to their team and would never waver. Hell, some won't give the other side the time of day to even negotiate. 
    I don't think Schiff is dedicated to his "team", but what is just.

    His team just happens to have truth and common sense on their side.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Bentleyspop
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    dignin said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    And that....is politics in a nutshell. They're all the same. Hell, if there was a path to the presidency through the democratic primary, Trump would be at the border, with his arm around AOC's shoulder (or her waist, knowing him), lamenting the conditions at migrant detention centers. 

    "They're tremendous migrants than need our help! Just tremendous!"

    Did you see Schiff yesterday? No, they aren't all the same.
    Well of course they're not ALL the same. It's hyperbole. I'm aware that some of these guys are more than dedicated to their team and would never waver. Hell, some won't give the other side the time of day to even negotiate. 
    I don't think Schiff is dedicated to his "team", but what is just.

    His team just happens to have truth and common sense on their side.
    They also have the Constitution and the rule of law on their side.
    2 things that republican politicians and voters don't care about. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Bentleyspop said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    dignin said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    And that....is politics in a nutshell. They're all the same. Hell, if there was a path to the presidency through the democratic primary, Trump would be at the border, with his arm around AOC's shoulder (or her waist, knowing him), lamenting the conditions at migrant detention centers. 

    "They're tremendous migrants than need our help! Just tremendous!"

    Did you see Schiff yesterday? No, they aren't all the same.
    Well of course they're not ALL the same. It's hyperbole. I'm aware that some of these guys are more than dedicated to their team and would never waver. Hell, some won't give the other side the time of day to even negotiate. 
    I don't think Schiff is dedicated to his "team", but what is just.

    His team just happens to have truth and common sense on their side.
    They also have the Constitution and the rule of law on their side.
    2 things that republican politicians and voters don't care about. 
    Yes. 

    It's all a game.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Bentleyspop said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    dignin said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    And that....is politics in a nutshell. They're all the same. Hell, if there was a path to the presidency through the democratic primary, Trump would be at the border, with his arm around AOC's shoulder (or her waist, knowing him), lamenting the conditions at migrant detention centers. 

    "They're tremendous migrants than need our help! Just tremendous!"

    Did you see Schiff yesterday? No, they aren't all the same.
    Well of course they're not ALL the same. It's hyperbole. I'm aware that some of these guys are more than dedicated to their team and would never waver. Hell, some won't give the other side the time of day to even negotiate. 
    I don't think Schiff is dedicated to his "team", but what is just.

    His team just happens to have truth and common sense on their side.
    They also have the Constitution and the rule of law on their side.
    2 things that republican politicians and voters don't care about. 
    And their mouth pieces, when directly asked if they were going to be okay with a dem POTUS in the future doing what Team Trump Treason has done, demurred and wouldn’t answer a “hypothetical.” It should have been followed with, “are you okay with what Team Trump Treason did?” But wasn’t.
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  • j1kotwic
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    j1kotwic said:
    The baby is trying to be born and live. The baby doesn't give a shit what the band thinks or what anyone else thinks on this forum. 
    Are deliverable babies capable of thought? Does the baby ask itself, “sure hope I don’t get aborted?” At what point, within the womb, do babies not care about a band’s forum?
    Hard to say. I guess you could ask a little kid if they are glad to be alive or if they wished they were aborted. 

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