Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

catefrances

there are only a few trigger issues with me.. abortion is one of them.  i acknowledge that i havent read any of the posts since ilast posted. i also acknowledge that this is because i cant really have a discussion about it because i simply cannot see the con side of pro choice. nor as a woman can i accept it. sure go ahead and tell me why you dont support  pro choice and the autonomy of women's bodies, however i will tune out because  in my mind you will always be wrong because unless its your body you dont have a say imo.  am i being close minded? i dont think so cause what it comes down to it, for me  a woman's body is nobody's body but hers... and i can not support the involuntary incubation that some people feel woman should go through simply because they had sex and that sex resulted in a pregnancy.  woman are not gestational slaves. we can not force a woman through legislative control to carry a pregnancy to term just as we can not impose upon any other human  an action that impinges upon the autonomy of their own body. and that is my final word on the subject.  

drakeheuer14

Yikes. And that is why there is no point to have a conversation about it. Minds aren’t changing on this topic. Peace. 

Bentleyspop

catefrances said:

there are only a few trigger issues with me.. abortion is one of them.  i acknowledge that i havent read any of the posts since ilast posted. i also acknowledge that this is because i cant really have a discussion about it because i simply cannot see the con side of pro choice. nor as a woman can i accept it. sure go ahead and tell me why you dont support  pro choice and the autonomy of women's bodies, however i will tune out because  in my mind you will always be wrong because unless its your body you dont have a say imo.  am i being close minded? i dont think so cause what it comes down to it, for me  a woman's body is nobody's body but hers... and i can not support the involuntary incubation that some people feel woman should go through simply because they had sex and that sex resulted in a pregnancy.  woman are not gestational slaves. we can not force a woman through legislative control to carry a pregnancy to term just as we can not impose upon any other human  an action that impinges upon the autonomy of their own body. and that is my final word on the subject.  

Thanks for being so honest and forthright. 
This topic needs more women speaking the women's perspective.

Meltdown99

An app that connects users with abortion providers launches across Canada

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/choice-connect-app-national-launch-shore-centre-1.5179940?fbclid=IwAR3skfJwuYYAQMPCr8yk77ZiHP99FmjBjjuF5Laq3pZs9YWMQBq9ir0IPgw

drakeheuer14

Bentleyspop said:

catefrances said:

there are only a few trigger issues with me.. abortion is one of them.  i acknowledge that i havent read any of the posts since ilast posted. i also acknowledge that this is because i cant really have a discussion about it because i simply cannot see the con side of pro choice. nor as a woman can i accept it. sure go ahead and tell me why you dont support  pro choice and the autonomy of women's bodies, however i will tune out because  in my mind you will always be wrong because unless its your body you dont have a say imo.  am i being close minded? i dont think so cause what it comes down to it, for me  a woman's body is nobody's body but hers... and i can not support the involuntary incubation that some people feel woman should go through simply because they had sex and that sex resulted in a pregnancy.  woman are not gestational slaves. we can not force a woman through legislative control to carry a pregnancy to term just as we can not impose upon any other human  an action that impinges upon the autonomy of their own body. and that is my final word on the subject.  

Thanks for being so honest and forthright. 
This topic needs more women speaking the women's perspective.

You say that until it doesn’t fit that same narrative.  

benjs

catefrances said:

there are only a few trigger issues with me.. abortion is one of them.  i acknowledge that i havent read any of the posts since ilast posted. i also acknowledge that this is because i cant really have a discussion about it because i simply cannot see the con side of pro choice. nor as a woman can i accept it. sure go ahead and tell me why you dont support  pro choice and the autonomy of women's bodies, however i will tune out because  in my mind you will always be wrong because unless its your body you dont have a say imo.  am i being close minded? i dont think so cause what it comes down to it, for me  a woman's body is nobody's body but hers... and i can not support the involuntary incubation that some people feel woman should go through simply because they had sex and that sex resulted in a pregnancy.  woman are not gestational slaves. we can not force a woman through legislative control to carry a pregnancy to term just as we can not impose upon any other human  an action that impinges upon the autonomy of their own body. and that is my final word on the subject.  

I can understand and appreciate your position, but I don't agree with it. 

A human life has constitutional rights. If a human life is living within another human life, both of those lives have constitutional rights, so fundamentally, there's ambiguity in the constitution that carries risk of neglectful treatment, and we a society should cast a legal decision should be made on whether 'do no harm' principles can be waived for a human life living within another human life (just as we pursue removing ambiguities in constitutional law on a regular basis). Since something of this nature is likely to be stuck in courts or the hands of politicians for a long time, the best way I can think of to advocate for women's rights to abortion in the meantime, is to legally define the start of a human life in terms of weeks of pregnancy, and to follow in Illinois' footsteps, and state that a fetus, embryo, or unfertilized egg should have no rights, hard stop. As for the portion of an abortion where there is a legally-defined human within a woman's body, this can still be legislated in a way that states that abortion is a human right and supersedes the constitutional rights of a child.

Bentleyspop

https://twitter.com/PearlJam/status/1149038328332738562?s=19

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mickeyrat said:

drakeheuer14 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

drakeheuer14 said:

a complete disregard for life to not acknowledge it as life at a defined time during the pregnancy. 

I agree.

EDIT: But doesn't everyone? Or hmm.. Am I lost here?

Well apparently I am spreading propaganda when I myself said I am not completely against having a choice up to a certain point. All I want are defined rules of engagement. 

The only argument from me is where said point is during the pregnancy. 

science has determined at roughly 26 weeks.  after that ,while not a garauntee, medical science has shown babies can survive at 27 weeks.

21 weeks and 5 days, and a baby can survive.

So that 26 weeks of yours sounds off..?

In Sweden it is in a legal sense considered to be "a child" at week 22.

So Sweden allows the murder of 2 day old survivable babies?  Sick place.

If you wan't to look at it that way, I guess. Not fully read up on rules and stuff regarding this.

I'm practitioning abstinence. 

Is it abstinence when others are making the choice for you?

BAZINGA

Spiritual_Chaos

Hal Rounds of the West Fayette County Republican Party said he remembers being in his mother’s womb.
Rounds was one of a slew of people who testified before the Judiciary committee Tuesday about Senate Bill 1236, also known as the Fetal Heartbeat Bill.
“I have a conceptual memory of being born,” said Rounds. “In the womb there is a sensation of compression and advancement against one side and another and sudden urgent pressure to burst out.”
Rounds said he had a dream throughout his youth and one day he realized the dream was like being born and that’s when the dreams stopped.
“I believe that the consciousness of the child begun in the womb,” said Rounds. “And when you kill a child, you are killing a person that is not just aware of nothing, but being a person.”

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/politics/mid-south-political-leader-testifies-remembering-his-birth-during-tennessee-abortion-bill-debate/51-838258da-0679-4f9d-b179-bf07f1ebb69c

Kat

I don't believe him.

Meltdown99

Come on...you mean to me that only a few of us remember coming to life in the womb and the birth it self...those were fond memories.

HughFreakingDillon

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hal Rounds of the West Fayette County Republican Party said he remembers being in his mother’s womb.
Rounds was one of a slew of people who testified before the Judiciary committee Tuesday about Senate Bill 1236, also known as the Fetal Heartbeat Bill.
“I have a conceptual memory of being born,” said Rounds. “In the womb there is a sensation of compression and advancement against one side and another and sudden urgent pressure to burst out.”
Rounds said he had a dream throughout his youth and one day he realized the dream was like being born and that’s when the dreams stopped.
“I believe that the consciousness of the child begun in the womb,” said Rounds. “And when you kill a child, you are killing a person that is not just aware of nothing, but being a person.”

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/politics/mid-south-political-leader-testifies-remembering-his-birth-during-tennessee-abortion-bill-debate/51-838258da-0679-4f9d-b179-bf07f1ebb69c

all science points to this being absolute 100% bullshit

PJPOWER

Meltdown99 said:

Come on...you mean to me that only a few of us remember coming to life in the womb and the birth it self...those were fond memories.

I can barely remember what happened last week, lol

HughFreakingDillon

i had a girlfriend who claimed she remembers being in the fucking crib. i call bullshit on that too. 

mickeyrat

Planned Parenthood is stopping receipt of title x funds as a response to new gag rules being put in place surrounding abortion as an option. they hope to cover the loss of funds privately which goes toward family planning services for their clients......

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/opinion/planned-parenthood-title-x.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Meltdown99

PJPOWER said:

Meltdown99 said:

Come on...you mean to me that only a few of us remember coming to life in the womb and the birth it self...those were fond memories.

I can barely remember what happened last week, lol

I just had lunch.  "Now, what did I have again"?  That's me.

Spiritual_Chaos

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hal Rounds of the West Fayette County Republican Party said he remembers being in his mother’s womb.
Rounds was one of a slew of people who testified before the Judiciary committee Tuesday about Senate Bill 1236, also known as the Fetal Heartbeat Bill.
“I have a conceptual memory of being born,” said Rounds. “In the womb there is a sensation of compression and advancement against one side and another and sudden urgent pressure to burst out.”
Rounds said he had a dream throughout his youth and one day he realized the dream was like being born and that’s when the dreams stopped.
“I believe that the consciousness of the child begun in the womb,” said Rounds. “And when you kill a child, you are killing a person that is not just aware of nothing, but being a person.”

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/politics/mid-south-political-leader-testifies-remembering-his-birth-during-tennessee-abortion-bill-debate/51-838258da-0679-4f9d-b179-bf07f1ebb69c

all science points to this being absolute 100% bullshit

All science points to people still voting for him and him not being laughed out of his party in the US of A.

pearljammr78

Somedays I wish I was aborted. Pro Choice!!

Renfield

mickeyrat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hal Rounds of the West Fayette County Republican Party said he remembers being in his mother’s womb.
Rounds was one of a slew of people who testified before the Judiciary committee Tuesday about Senate Bill 1236, also known as the Fetal Heartbeat Bill.
“I have a conceptual memory of being born,” said Rounds. “In the womb there is a sensation of compression and advancement against one side and another and sudden urgent pressure to burst out.”
Rounds said he had a dream throughout his youth and one day he realized the dream was like being born and that’s when the dreams stopped.
“I believe that the consciousness of the child begun in the womb,” said Rounds. “And when you kill a child, you are killing a person that is not just aware of nothing, but being a person.”

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/politics/mid-south-political-leader-testifies-remembering-his-birth-during-tennessee-abortion-bill-debate/51-838258da-0679-4f9d-b179-bf07f1ebb69c

all science points to this being absolute 100% bullshit

All science points to people still voting for him and him not being laughed out of his party in the US of A.

psst. its not his party....... Just like the D's arent Bernie's party.