I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
Plan B, the morning after pill, can be used the next day after unprotected sex…..if you’re raped call the police and go directly to the hospital and ask for plan B or if it was just an accident with your partner then you can get it in a drug store. I would recommend no girl/woman whose been raped do anything other than call the police and go to the hospital immediately after the act. Have the hospital give you the pill and have it documented by nurse/physician.
Interesting point. Can the hospital give plan B if requested? Is it encouraged or mentioned after rape and disclosing? Or is it up to the victim to think about after they leave to pick up?
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I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
Sure, but why six weeks? Late term abortion bans are common and accepted. Six weeks is ridiculously soon to know, and decide. If one believes life begins at conception, then six weeks is abhorrent as well.
I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
Plan B, the morning after pill, can be used the next day after unprotected sex…..if you’re raped call the police and go directly to the hospital and ask for plan B or if it was just an accident with your partner then you can get it in a drug store. I would recommend no girl/woman whose been raped do anything other than call the police and go to the hospital immediately after the act. Have the hospital give you the pill and have it documented by nurse/physician.
All these things... again... but it puts an immediate burden on the woman, one with an exceedingly short window to know, decide and act.
I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
Sure, but why six weeks? Late term abortion bans are common and accepted. Six weeks is ridiculously soon to know, and decide. If one believes life begins at conception, then six weeks is abhorrent as well.
Im curious what your suggestion on timeline is then?
Edit - also, do you think situations matter in the length of time allotted? Pregnancy as result of rape vs consensual?
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I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
Sure, but why six weeks? Late term abortion bans are common and accepted. Six weeks is ridiculously soon to know, and decide. If one believes life begins at conception, then six weeks is abhorrent as well.
Im curious what your suggestion on timeline is then?
Late term is considered 21 weeks, typically. At that point, with the miracle of science, a child may survive out of the womb ( although very unlikely.... but possible). I believe late term should only be a allowed to protect the mother. That's where I would draw it.
I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
Sure, but why six weeks? Late term abortion bans are common and accepted. Six weeks is ridiculously soon to know, and decide. If one believes life begins at conception, then six weeks is abhorrent as well.
this is a great point. it makes it all the more nonsensical, and obviously means it's as close to a full out ban as one can get under the constitution.
I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
Sure, but why six weeks? Late term abortion bans are common and accepted. Six weeks is ridiculously soon to know, and decide. If one believes life begins at conception, then six weeks is abhorrent as well.
this is a great point. it makes it all the more nonsensical, and obviously means it's as close to a full out ban as one can get under the constitution.
And that is the point. If they can't eliminate, then reduce. It's really no different than gun control advocates. Although 2/3 of abortions happen in the first 8 weeks, from data I've seen. I think almost all happen by 12 or so. But I bet few happen by week 6.
I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
Plan B, the morning after pill, can be used the next day after unprotected sex…..if you’re raped call the police and go directly to the hospital and ask for plan B or if it was just an accident with your partner then you can get it in a drug store. I would recommend no girl/woman whose been raped do anything other than call the police and go to the hospital immediately after the act. Have the hospital give you the pill and have it documented by nurse/physician.
All these things... again... but it puts an immediate burden on the woman, one with an exceedingly short window to know, decide and act.
It does (burden) but it’s up to parents to have open honest serious conversations that include how to immediately deal with these situations.
Unfortunately if you want the person responsible caught you have to react as I said. And more unfortunate is that it happens all the time. You’ve got to be upfront with you’re children. Crazy shit happens everyday
I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
Plan B, the morning after pill, can be used the next day after unprotected sex…..if you’re raped call the police and go directly to the hospital and ask for plan B or if it was just an accident with your partner then you can get it in a drug store. I would recommend no girl/woman whose been raped do anything other than call the police and go to the hospital immediately after the act. Have the hospital give you the pill and have it documented by nurse/physician.
All these things... again... but it puts an immediate burden on the woman, one with an exceedingly short window to know, decide and act.
It does (burden) but it’s up to parents to have open honest serious conversations that include how to immediately deal with these situations.
Unfortunately if you want the person responsible caught you have to react as I said. And more unfortunate is that it happens all the time. You’ve got to be upfront with you’re children. Crazy shit happens everyday
In the real world, there are parents who are neglectful and parents who don't provide information due to religious beliefs. They cannot be a necessary part of the equation for a young lady or woman to receive quality advice and treatment.
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I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
heartbeat detected at 6 weeks sure, but can the fetus survive outside the womb?
that doesnt usually happen until the lungs have developed. at at least 20 weeks.....
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I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
heartbeat detected at 6 weeks sure, but can the fetus survive outside the womb?
that doesnt usually happen until the lungs have developed. at at least 20 weeks.....
and God breathed life into Adam.....
I mean grown adults can’t survive without certain devices - but we don’t just cut their life off because they rely on something/someone to survive.
Pittsburgh 2013 Cincinnati 2014 Greenville 2016 (Raleigh 2016) Columbia 2016
I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
heartbeat detected at 6 weeks sure, but can the fetus survive outside the womb?
that doesnt usually happen until the lungs have developed. at at least 20 weeks.....
and God breathed life into Adam.....
I mean grown adults can’t survive without certain devices - but we don’t just cut their life off because they rely on something/someone to survive.
I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
heartbeat detected at 6 weeks sure, but can the fetus survive outside the womb?
that doesnt usually happen until the lungs have developed. at at least 20 weeks.....
and God breathed life into Adam.....
I mean grown adults can’t survive without certain devices - but we don’t just cut their life off because they rely on something/someone to survive.
honest question (and this isn't a "trap", just yes or no and that's it)
do you feel the rights of the fetus outweigh the rights of the host?
I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
heartbeat detected at 6 weeks sure, but can the fetus survive outside the womb?
that doesnt usually happen until the lungs have developed. at at least 20 weeks.....
and God breathed life into Adam.....
I mean grown adults can’t survive without certain devices - but we don’t just cut their life off because they rely on something/someone to survive.
honest question (and this isn't a "trap", just yes or no and that's it)
do you feel the rights of the fetus outweigh the rights of the host?
I don’t think it’s that simple. Equal rights until the scales are tilted harming the host is where I am at.
Since I view them as two separate beings, equal is the only answer most of the time.
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Pittsburgh 2013 Cincinnati 2014 Greenville 2016 (Raleigh 2016) Columbia 2016
I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
heartbeat detected at 6 weeks sure, but can the fetus survive outside the womb?
that doesnt usually happen until the lungs have developed. at at least 20 weeks.....
and God breathed life into Adam.....
I mean grown adults can’t survive without certain devices - but we don’t just cut their life off because they rely on something/someone to survive.
A woman's body is not a 'device'.
That’s why I said something or someone at the end. Just because someone needs support, doesn’t mean we should just cut off the right to develop or live.
Pittsburgh 2013 Cincinnati 2014 Greenville 2016 (Raleigh 2016) Columbia 2016
I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
heartbeat detected at 6 weeks sure, but can the fetus survive outside the womb?
that doesnt usually happen until the lungs have developed. at at least 20 weeks.....
and God breathed life into Adam.....
I mean grown adults can’t survive without certain devices - but we don’t just cut their life off because they rely on something/someone to survive.
honest question (and this isn't a "trap", just yes or no and that's it)
do you feel the rights of the fetus outweigh the rights of the host?
I don’t think it’s that simple. Equal rights until the scales are tilted harming the host is where I am at.
Under that theory, you cannot support abortion no matter the length of the term.
I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
heartbeat detected at 6 weeks sure, but can the fetus survive outside the womb?
that doesnt usually happen until the lungs have developed. at at least 20 weeks.....
and God breathed life into Adam.....
I mean grown adults can’t survive without certain devices - but we don’t just cut their life off because they rely on something/someone to survive.
honest question (and this isn't a "trap", just yes or no and that's it)
do you feel the rights of the fetus outweigh the rights of the host?
I don’t think it’s that simple. Equal rights until the scales are tilted harming the host is where I am at.
Under that theory, you cannot support abortion no matter the length of the term.
Well, you are right. I don’t “support” it.
I understand the position of those with opposing views and situations though.
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I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
heartbeat detected at 6 weeks sure, but can the fetus survive outside the womb?
that doesnt usually happen until the lungs have developed. at at least 20 weeks.....
and God breathed life into Adam.....
I mean grown adults can’t survive without certain devices - but we don’t just cut their life off because they rely on something/someone to survive.
should have included with or without medical intervention.
even still that heartbeat is mother driven. its not happening on its own...
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I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
heartbeat detected at 6 weeks sure, but can the fetus survive outside the womb?
that doesnt usually happen until the lungs have developed. at at least 20 weeks.....
and God breathed life into Adam.....
I mean grown adults can’t survive without certain devices - but we don’t just cut their life off because they rely on something/someone to survive.
honest question (and this isn't a "trap", just yes or no and that's it)
do you feel the rights of the fetus outweigh the rights of the host?
I don’t think it’s that simple. Equal rights until the scales are tilted harming the host is where I am at.
Since I view them as two separate beings, equal is the only answer most of the time.
So if a 13 year old is raped by her Father...becomes pregnant, but doesn't say anything out of fear, you are ok with the government forcing her to give birth to a rape baby? (if beyond the six week period being discussed here)
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I know I am one of the few around here to agree with heavy abortion restrictions, so I am not really a fan of posting here, so instead I come with a question. Apologies if it’s ignorant. The topic of pregnancies from rape is always one of the first things around abortion restrictions that people bring up. Rape is horrific and it’s one of the only things that makes me question my stance on this topic.
In the case of a rape though, wouldn’t pregnancy be something the victim is seriously worried about to begin with after it happens? Why aren’t they consistently taking pregnancy tests each week or so after it happens? Then the 6 week limit doesn’t seem so crazy or as surprising of a timeline to accept since tests can detect as early as 10 days after conception, correct?
The trauma? Finances? Age of victims perhaps?
All those things.. but the question is why put that arbitrary six weeks as a deadline? Clearly this law is intended to eliminate 90% of abortions without technically running afoul of Roe. 6 weeks is one missed period plus two weeks? The stress and trauma from rape, let alone normal life, can cause a woman to miss her period.
I mean there has to be restrictions around abortion of some sort don’t you think? It might be arbitrary, but so are a lot of rules/laws. But then it comes back to when does life begin which is a topic that will never have an agreement.
heartbeat detected at 6 weeks sure, but can the fetus survive outside the womb?
that doesnt usually happen until the lungs have developed. at at least 20 weeks.....
and God breathed life into Adam.....
I mean grown adults can’t survive without certain devices - but we don’t just cut their life off because they rely on something/someone to survive.
honest question (and this isn't a "trap", just yes or no and that's it)
do you feel the rights of the fetus outweigh the rights of the host?
I don’t think it’s that simple. Equal rights until the scales are tilted harming the host is where I am at.
Under that theory, you cannot support abortion no matter the length of the term.
Well, you are right. I don’t “support” it.
I understand the position of those with opposing views and situations though.
I think Bill Clinton said it perfectly when he said abortion should be safe and rare. If we are going to ban it (or almost, like this law does) then we damned better be ready to create a massive new support network and welfare state for all of the mothers who don't want to be mothers and all of the children that will be abandoned to the state.
Second, if you ever read the book Freakonomics, there was a compelling case that was made how the drop in the crime in the 90s and forward was tied directly to the federal legalization of abortion. Unwanted children are not successful in life.
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do you feel the rights of the fetus outweigh the rights of the host?
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Texas law is barbaric.
the WINNER gets to choose how this goes.
the LOSER is still peddling his fantasy all over fox and newsmax about how he won the election. hahaha.
maybe a mid-day surf would brighten your spirits?
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Second, if you ever read the book Freakonomics, there was a compelling case that was made how the drop in the crime in the 90s and forward was tied directly to the federal legalization of abortion. Unwanted children are not successful in life.