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Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,312
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Exactly.  I'm against abortion (as much as a man can be, I guess), but I don't claim to speak for everyone, certainly not every woman.  If my daughter were to become pregnant and she was not ready to be a mother, my wife and I would care for the child.  So agreed, just because you're pro choice, doesn't mean you cheer abortion.  
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,970
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    it highlights the inequality of the whole premise of the abortion debate. largely privleged while males get to decide what women of all races, colours, economic background and ethnicities get to do with their own bodies. it's absurd. why don't, instead, we make it a country-wide referendum? instead of these "representatives" deciding, let the people decide. 

    and let's be real: if men were the ones who carried fetuses, this would NOT even be up for debate. 
    I get it. But thats where a big divide comes into play. It’s not just their body anymore. Everyone mentions it always being such a hard decision for women to decide to get an abortion or not… I wonder why part of that is? Maybe it’s because they realize new life is being given or taken.
    But it is just their body.  An amoeba doesn't care if it is aborted or not.
    This is where I am at. Does life begin at conception? Sure; I guess. But I'm worried about who's hopes and dreams we are destroying. A fetus doesn't have any hopes or dreams. The mother does. For a fetus to be aborted is in no way, shape, or form tragic. What is tragic is for someone to be forced to give birth and for the baby to not be given proper care after it's born. And while the forcing of the birth is particularly tragic for a child / rape victim, I think it's tragic across the board.

    And I assume (though I admit, I have not read the law) that this will hit lower-income people the hardest. I assume the wealthy can just go to a friendlier state after six weeks, right? (In fact, I'd assume that's part of the design because you know these fucking hypocrites want doors open in case their family members need to take care of something...)

    There's just no tragedy to a fetus dying when it's the mother's decision. And whatever retort you may have is flimsy (what if she regrets it? Well that's her decision. What about the father? Still her decision and maybe he should keep it in his pants if he's not ready for what might come next, you know, just like conservatives telling women to close their legs). 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,624
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 23,237
    I want to reframe this pro-abortion bullshit term.

    I am pro-notmydecisionunlessdirectlyinvolved

    or pro-notmyplacetochooseforyou
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  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 3,524
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 12,484
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    No they fucking don't
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,312
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    Plenty? How many are plenty and where did you come up with number? Because going a painful,  expensive procedure vs taking a little pill every day is not much of a choice.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,624
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    I seriously doubt it. you know anyone who laughed all the way to their procedure?
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,970
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    Depends on your definition of "pro-abortion."  I know it's fun to suggest that people use it as birth control and sure, you can find an anecdote, but that's pretty rare. It's fun in conservative circles to say this though.

    Perhaps I meet your definition of pro-abortion. To be frank, I don't care if people do use it that way.  It's not a great idea for financial and physical reasons. Using effective birth control is a lot smarter.  If someone's had three abortions, they're probably not doing a very good job. I don't think that's a good lifestyle but I also don't think being obese is a good lifestyle...and I'm not going to lose sleep over someone I don't know doing either.

    I do think measures to reduce abortions should be prevalent; education, birth control, firing self-righteous pharm techs that won't hand out the morning-after pill, etc. In general, I'd rather see fewer, but I'm not really "against" them. Does that mean I'm "for" them? I don't care if you stick me with that label.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,204
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    please provide some examples.

    otherwise this is the worst take i have read on the internet this week.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,970
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    Plenty? How many are plenty and where did you come up with number? Because going a painful,  expensive procedure vs taking a little pill every day is not much of a choice.  
    It's essentially the "welfare queen" argument moved to this topic.  Read one story about a woman who won't look for a job and suddenly that's everyone on public assistance. Read one story about someone who shrugs off birth control and just says "there's always abortion" and that's what half the women in blue America are doing. There's never data to support it; and usually data to refute it.
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 443
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    please provide some examples.

    otherwise this is the worst take i have read on the internet this week.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2121046/Video-Girl-laughs-second-abortion-broadcasts-TikTok.html

  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,204
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    please provide some examples.

    otherwise this is the worst take i have read on the internet this week.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2121046/Video-Girl-laughs-second-abortion-broadcasts-TikTok.html

    ok 1 example.

    what else ya got?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 23,237
    edited September 2
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    please provide some examples.

    otherwise this is the worst take i have read on the internet this week.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2121046/Video-Girl-laughs-second-abortion-broadcasts-TikTok.html

    ok 1 example.

    what else ya got?

    Apparently one example.


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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 443
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    please provide some examples.

    otherwise this is the worst take i have read on the internet this week.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2121046/Video-Girl-laughs-second-abortion-broadcasts-TikTok.html

    ok 1 example.

    what else ya got?
    I don't need any more examples.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,204
    mickeyrat said:
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    please provide some examples.

    otherwise this is the worst take i have read on the internet this week.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2121046/Video-Girl-laughs-second-abortion-broadcasts-TikTok.html

    ok 1 example.

    what else ya got?

    Apparently one example.

    in UK.
    to me, "plenty" implies a plethora.

    do we have a plethora?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 23,237
    mickeyrat said:
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    please provide some examples.

    otherwise this is the worst take i have read on the internet this week.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2121046/Video-Girl-laughs-second-abortion-broadcasts-TikTok.html

    ok 1 example.

    what else ya got?

    Apparently one example.

    in UK.
    to me, "plenty" implies a plethora.

    do we have a plethora?

    1 in approx 160 million women in this country.
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  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 3,524
    Abortions are used in jokes and joked about. Next time I come across this, I will be sure to post it in here. I would love to see the psychology behind knowing its an option and how that affects sexual behavior though. I will have to look into that. 

    Like in school, if you had a test, but knew you could drop the grade after the fact, you may not take the test as seriously to begin with. So that’s more what I mean my simple. Not the actual procedure, but the mere fact an option exists after the fact. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,312
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    Plenty? How many are plenty and where did you come up with number? Because going a painful,  expensive procedure vs taking a little pill every day is not much of a choice.  
    It's essentially the "welfare queen" argument moved to this topic.  Read one story about a woman who won't look for a job and suddenly that's everyone on public assistance. Read one story about someone who shrugs off birth control and just says "there's always abortion" and that's what half the women in blue America are doing. There's never data to support it; and usually data to refute it.
    I was thinking of that very same example,  although the welfare queen is probably more common. Using abortion as birth control is idiotic and a sign of immaturity,  but probably more of a person trying to justify what they know was a terrible or foolish act.  It means nothing in the context of public health policy. 
  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 443
    Abortions are used in jokes and joked about. Next time I come across this, I will be sure to post it in here. I would love to see the psychology behind knowing its an option and how that affects sexual behavior though. I will have to look into that. 

    Like in school, if you had a test, but knew you could drop the grade after the fact, you may not take the test as seriously to begin with. So that’s more what I mean my simple. Not the actual procedure, but the mere fact an option exists after the fact. 
    So much for no one joking about abortion..... 


  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 3,524
    I think my choice of plenty is being sensationalized a bit. There are examples and I have come across before the topic of abortion being joked about or super lighthearted 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 41,137
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    please provide some examples.

    otherwise this is the worst take i have read on the internet this week.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2121046/Video-Girl-laughs-second-abortion-broadcasts-TikTok.html

    ok 1 example.

    what else ya got?

    Apparently one example.

    in UK.
    to me, "plenty" implies a plethora.

    do we have a plethora?

    1 in approx 160 million women in this country.
    Ha.

    From ticktok of all places. Some random girl posts a 30 second clip and republicans extrapolate that to thousands and thousands of people. 

    This is the republican party of today. Nothing but disingenuous people making disingenuous arguments.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 25,821
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    please provide some examples.

    otherwise this is the worst take i have read on the internet this week.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2121046/Video-Girl-laughs-second-abortion-broadcasts-TikTok.html

    ok 1 example.

    what else ya got?

    Apparently one example.

    in UK.
    to me, "plenty" implies a plethora.

    do we have a plethora?

    1 in approx 160 million women in this country.
    Ha.

    From ticktok of all places. Some random girl posts a 30 second clip and republicans extrapolate that to thousands and thousands of people. 

    This is the republican party of today. Nothing but disingenuous people making disingenuous arguments.
    Tik Tok is legit bro.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 41,137
    Abortions are used in jokes and joked about. Next time I come across this, I will be sure to post it in here. I would love to see the psychology behind knowing its an option and how that affects sexual behavior though. I will have to look into that. 

    Like in school, if you had a test, but knew you could drop the grade after the fact, you may not take the test as seriously to begin with. So that’s more what I mean my simple. Not the actual procedure, but the mere fact an option exists after the fact. 

    ^
    Is this guy for real?
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 443
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    please provide some examples.

    otherwise this is the worst take i have read on the internet this week.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2121046/Video-Girl-laughs-second-abortion-broadcasts-TikTok.html

    ok 1 example.

    what else ya got?
    How about Chelsea Handler?

    Or this?

    This one overlaps the original post but includes an additional person doing the same thing:
  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 443
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
    This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
    So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
    I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
    No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

    You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

    I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
    Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

    I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

    It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
    no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
    I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
    please provide some examples.

    otherwise this is the worst take i have read on the internet this week.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2121046/Video-Girl-laughs-second-abortion-broadcasts-TikTok.html

    ok 1 example.

    what else ya got?

    Apparently one example.

    in UK.
    to me, "plenty" implies a plethora.

    do we have a plethora?

    1 in approx 160 million women in this country.
    Ha.

    From ticktok of all places. Some random girl posts a 30 second clip and republicans extrapolate that to thousands and thousands of people. 

    This is the republican party of today. Nothing but disingenuous people making disingenuous arguments.
    There were people asking for examples. What does it matter where they come from? Just because it was on Tik Tok doesn't make it disingenuous. No one here ever said thousands of people. Can you even view what I'm posting from atop your high horse?

  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 41,137
    Folks, this may come as a complete shock, but it appears our friends on the far right may have been duped, yet again, by that crafty internet. 

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/women-are-putting-their-abortions-on-tiktok-but-is-it-real

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    Women Are Putting Their Abortions on TikTok—but Is It Real?

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    oto Illustration by The Daily Beast / Photos via TikTok

    Anti-choice activists are up in arms about the videos.

    Updated Feb. 27, 2021 9:22AM ET / Published Feb. 26, 2021 11:42PM ET 

    The woman in the 10-second TikTok sports the Gen-Z uniform: matching purple tie-dye shorts and a crop top, chunky white sneakers, bunched up crew socks. Over the infectious sounds of the song “Photo ID,” she vamps for a selfie, then turns the camera to pan the length of the doctor’s office in which she’s sitting. It ends with a shot of her in the exam-room chair, kicking out her legs and giggling.

    “It’s a great day to have an abortion,” the caption reads.


    The video is a stark and unapologetic depiction of abortion—the kind movement activists have been attempting to push into the mainstream for years, and that abortion opponents have deemed “sick and depraved.” It is playful, transgressive, an instant hit.

    It’s also completely fake.

    “I just started posting videos of me at random doctor’s appointments and saying ‘I’m getting an abortion,’” the creator of the video, a 21-year-old college student who goes by the handle @abortionqweenn, told The Daily Beast. “I was at urgent care.”

      TikTok, the default clubhouse of Gen Z, is also a bellwether of adolescent activism. This summer, as the Black Lives Matter movement surged, users uploaded videos on victims of police brutality and footage from racial justice protests. (According to one analysis, TikTok users were twice as likely as non-users to have recently attended a Black Lives Matter demonstration.) In June, TikTokers helped tank attendance to a Trump rally by buying up tickets they had no intention of using.

      And last February, a video of a young woman getting an abortion brought the existence of pro-choice TikTok to the forefront. The clip, which appears to have been shot and uploaded by her friend, starts with a positive pregnancy test, then cuts to the outside of a Planned Parenthood, then the inside of an exam room. It’s set to Bruno Mars’ “It Will Rain” and features a shot of the woman fist-pumping and laughing. By the time the creator deleted the video, it had been seen thousands of times, and sparked a fierce conservative backlash.

      “When society celebrates abortion, should we be surprised to see this kind of cruelty,” tweeted Lila Rose, president of the anti-abortion group Live Action. “What happened to ‘abortions should be safe, legal, and rare’?” added Turning Point USA Founder Charlie Kirk. “Now they’re celebrated and streamed on social media.”

      The account that posted the video was ultimately deleted, but the genre proliferated. Just last week, Autumn Lindsey, a spokesperson for Students for Life, uploaded a video decrying the “trend” of young people posting their abortions on TikTok. “This is disgusting and heartbreaking and should not be a trend on the internet,” she said in an Instagram Live video. “Videos like this prove the pro-abortion side celebrates abortion.”

      “Absolutely unreal!” one commenter wrote. “THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING OUT!”


      In fact, many of the videos may be literally “unreal.” The Daily Beast found more than a dozen clips of people claiming to be at abortion appointments, which ranged from obvious jokes—a woman swinging her feet off the exam table beside the words “when he texts you to have a good abortion”—to straightforward shots of an exam room with the hashtag “abortioncheck.” In most of them, the women are smiling, dancing, and lip-syncing to whatever song happens to be trending—essentially, doing what everyone else on TikTok does.

      The Daily Beast attempted to contact all of the video creators. Only one, @abortionqweenn, responded. The student and her girlfriend, who goes by the handle @abortioncounselor, both work in reproductive rights, and both make content almost exclusively about abortion and contraception. (They actually met on TikTok and recently moved in together.)

      I think a lot of my followers know that I'm not getting like 50 abortions a month.

      At one point, @abortionqweenn said, she realized that filming her doctor’s appointments and passing them off as abortions was a recipe for an instant hit.

      “I think a lot of my followers know that I’m not getting like 50 abortions a month,” she said. “But people will just see that and I guess like normalize it. People will also get very angry about it. But it always goes viral.”

      The strategy seems to have worked. The pair have garnered a combined 165,000 followers and more than 20 million views, despite having their accounts blocked repeatedly by TikTok moderators. (TikTok says it does not have a policy prohibiting discussion of abortion. After The Daily Beast reached out, the women’s previously blocked accounts were restored.)


      Many of their videos contain medical advice about the abortion procedure or information on how to get one. Others are meant to be irreverently humorous: One of @abortioncounselor’s first videos shows her dancing to the Megan Thee Stallion song “Thotiana,” under the text “my fetus dancing right before it was aborted.” Another features a drive-thru and the words “in-n-out after an abortion hits different.”

      To those used to the stoicism of the mainstream abortion debate, the videos’ playfulness can be surprising. Even some abortion rights advocates take issue with some of the pair’s tactics. But to Amelia Bonow, the founder of Shout Your Abortion, the videos are the latest step in normalizing a procedure that has historically been stigmatized and kept quiet.

      Bonow actually hired @abortioncounselor as an artist-in-residence for her organization, which publishes and publicizes abortion stories, because she felt they needed a larger presence on TikTok.

      “The idea that abortion is always a serious and sad thing is antiquated, not reflective of reality, and it definitely hasn’t done our side any favors,” she told The Daily Beast in an email. Abortion TikTok, she said, “is a nail in the coffin of the old way of doing things. We can talk about abortion however we want, it doesn't always have to be heavy. Sometimes it’s hilarious.”

      Behind all that humor is a kernel of truth: Both @abortionqweenn and @abortioncounselor have had abortions within the last six years. When she had hers at age 18, @abortionqweenn said, she knew of only one other person who’d undergone the procedure. Reading and watching stories of other people’s abortions online brought her comfort, and inspired her to start making videos of her own.

      “We get so many DMs every week from young people like, ‘I’m pregnant, I want an abortion, what do I do?’” she said. “Obviously I’m not able to respond to everyone but I just like, even through my videos, being someone that I didn’t have.”


      “It’s not a matter of if it’s true or not, it’s that they’re being exposed to positive messaging surrounding abortion,” her girlfriend added. Especially for those living in conservative households, she said, “this might be the first time they’re seeing something positive about abortion, and just having that seed planted can really change people's lives.”

        The two are not the only abortion provocateurs on TikTok. In Charlotte, North Carolina, a group of Gen-Z “clinic defenders” has gone viral many times over for videos of them taunting anti-abortion protesters outside a local clinic. In one, they blast Whitney Houston out of a parked car and ask a protester to come dance with them. In another, a clinic defender reads the lyrics to “WAP” to drown out a man reading the Bible. The latter has more than a million views.

        While popular, the tactics are not without controversy: In August, on the same day the WAP video was posted, four of the organization’s board members resigned, citing “hard and emotional growing pains.” Under the announcement on Facebook, one commenter wrote: “Just shocked at the direction I see this organization going on the social media platforms. If this is the way the clinic is heading I have lost so much respect.”

        Videos from inside abortion clinics are controversial too, even within the movement space. If clinics are identifiable in the videos, providers say, it can put them at physical risk. And videos shot in clinic waiting rooms can pose a privacy threat to other patients. Even the fake videos, like @abortionqweenn’s, have the risk of spreading misinformation, according to Mona Walia, the owner of All Women’s Health Clinic in Tacoma, Washington. Maybe someone will recognize that urgent care and assume it provides abortions, she said, or maybe they will compare that fictional experience to their own.

        “As providers we want to normalize abortion,” she said. “We just need to find a way to do that so that it's out there, but that information is accurate."


        Planned Parenthood, the largest single provider of abortions in the U.S., was supportive of the clinic videos, saying in a statement that there should be “no expectation of silence or shame” about the procedure.

        “Many organizations and individuals have worked for years to end stigma around abortion, and we’re proud to work alongside them,” senior communications director Erica Sackin said in a statement. “Eliminating abortion stigma and its impact on patients, staff, and policies is an important culture shift that can’t happen quickly enough.”

        For @abortioncounselor, the critiques of her work—whether they come from well-meaning advocates or abortion rights opponents—are beside the point.

        “I didn’t join TikTok to make videos for people who already support abortion,” she said. “I made them for people struggling with their decision. And I also made it to educate young people on their rights and options.”

        She added: “There’s just so many things that have changed as as result of our videos that a pro-choice person not liking it does really not faze me, because again, our videos just aren't for them.”

        And for everyone saying abortion shouldn’t be a laughing matter, the joke may be on them. The original viral video, in which the teenager goes to Planned Parenthood for an abortion, appears not to be real, either. According to ScreenRant, the creator posted a second video—also since deleted—claiming her friend wasn’t getting an abortion at all, but simply going for an ultrasound.

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      • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,312
        JB16057 said:
        mickeyrat said:
        mickeyrat said:
        JB16057 said:
        mickeyrat said:
        lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
        This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
        So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
        I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
        No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

        You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

        I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
        Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

        I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

        It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
        no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
        I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
        please provide some examples.

        otherwise this is the worst take i have read on the internet this week.

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2121046/Video-Girl-laughs-second-abortion-broadcasts-TikTok.html

        ok 1 example.

        what else ya got?

        Apparently one example.

        in UK.
        to me, "plenty" implies a plethora.

        do we have a plethora?

        1 in approx 160 million women in this country.
        Ha.

        From ticktok of all places. Some random girl posts a 30 second clip and republicans extrapolate that to thousands and thousands of people. 

        This is the republican party of today. Nothing but disingenuous people making disingenuous arguments.
        There were people asking for examples. What does it matter where they come from? Just because it was on Tik Tok doesn't make it disingenuous. No one here ever said thousands of people. Can you even view what I'm posting from atop your high horse?

        What is "plenty" to you in a county of 300+ mm? And why does it matter anyway? If some idiots use it s birth control,  does that mean no one should have access? 

        And same with comedians.  If people make jokes,  what does that have to do with a woman's right ( or no right) to choose? 

        These are irrelevant points. 
      • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 41,137
        We live in a world where right wingers are taking horse dewormer drugs instead of an fda approved vaccine, so I guess believing thousands of people are laughing about abortions isn't as far fetched as other stuff. Still....come on guys. 
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      • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 3,524
        mrussel1 said:
        JB16057 said:
        mickeyrat said:
        mickeyrat said:
        JB16057 said:
        mickeyrat said:
        lets do this, forced vasectomies for all pubescent boys, reversable of course. When buddy boy feels ready to be daddy. reverse it.....
        This extreme solution always confuses me. I get it’s said in jest (mostly), but extreme situations aside, it takes two to party. So if the goal is prevention, how about we make females take the same over protective precaution at the same time? 
        So require the 13 year old rape victim to do what now?
        I don’t have an answer for you. I get on the surface level how hard that would be since I will never be in that situation. But the situation around it doesn’t change in my mind that new life is being carried within her. So me saying yay abortion will never happen
        No one says "yay abortion"...that attitude is why we have such a problem discussing this.

        You call people "pro abortion" and nothing could be further from the truth.  I wish they were not necessary but that isn't realistic. 

        I'm always amazed that people in the GOP (the "small government" party) are always willing to have the government get between a female and her doctor.
        Poorly worded. But you are trying to imply that I should support abortion, and I just don’t. 

        I can’t go back in time and change the narrative. Pro-abortion is just where we are in the terminology these days. I don’t like pro-choice, because it oversimplifies it and turns it into a positive. It just is what it is now. 

        It’s preservation of life that I am after. The fetus may rely on the mother, but again, fully grown people rely on meds, devices and others to survive as well. 
        no, it's wrong, because I literally just said I'm not pro abortion. literally zero people are pro abortion. I'd never be on board with my wife getting one. it just so happens we agree on it, but if we didn't, my stance would be the same, hence me being pro-choice. 
        I wouldn’t say zero. Plenty of people laugh off abortion and see it as simple as birth control. 
        please provide some examples.

        otherwise this is the worst take i have read on the internet this week.

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2121046/Video-Girl-laughs-second-abortion-broadcasts-TikTok.html

        ok 1 example.

        what else ya got?

        Apparently one example.

        in UK.
        to me, "plenty" implies a plethora.

        do we have a plethora?

        1 in approx 160 million women in this country.
        Ha.

        From ticktok of all places. Some random girl posts a 30 second clip and republicans extrapolate that to thousands and thousands of people. 

        This is the republican party of today. Nothing but disingenuous people making disingenuous arguments.
        There were people asking for examples. What does it matter where they come from? Just because it was on Tik Tok doesn't make it disingenuous. No one here ever said thousands of people. Can you even view what I'm posting from atop your high horse?

        What is "plenty" to you in a county of 300+ mm? And why does it matter anyway? If some idiots use it s birth control,  does that mean no one should have access? 

        And same with comedians.  If people make jokes,  what does that have to do with a woman's right ( or no right) to choose? 

        These are irrelevant points. 
        It just stemmed from the terminology mini debate. 
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