Back to the original topic. You know it is BS when it is considered racist to wear a sombrero and serve Mexican food on a college campus for Cinco de Mayo.
This is called "cultural appropriation" which, by definition, is racist. One does not need to be "PC" to understand this.
How so? So is it racist to eat corned beef on St. Patrick's Day? Is it racist to celebrate the Chinese new year in America? If you say yes then we just disagree on completely different levels.
If those are okay, how is serving Mexican food on Cinco de Mayo any different? People generally aren't mocking Mexicans by doing it.
No, those are not examples of cultural appropriation.
We were talking about someone pretending to look like Hispanic, not serve food, correct?
Sort of. I think it was Clemson where students protested over being served Mexican food while wearing a sombrero. I would not take that as making fun of them or pretending to look like anyone. Sombreros are the one garment instantly recognized as Mexican. As far as I know there is no controversy over it, no one in Mexico is insulted when one is worn. It’s just part of a traditional costume. I don’t think that would compare to someme be pretending to shoot up studf posng as an American, that would most likely be intended as an insult. Wearing. Sombrero on Cinco de Mayo isn’t.
Back to the original topic. You know it is BS when it is considered racist to wear a sombrero and serve Mexican food on a college campus for Cinco de Mayo.
This is called "cultural appropriation" which, by definition, is racist. One does not need to be "PC" to understand this.
How so? So is it racist to eat corned beef on St. Patrick's Day? Is it racist to celebrate the Chinese new year in America? If you say yes then we just disagree on completely different levels.
If those are okay, how is serving Mexican food on Cinco de Mayo any different? People generally aren't mocking Mexicans by doing it.
No, those are not examples of cultural appropriation.
We were talking about someone pretending to look like Hispanic, not serve food, correct?
Sort of. I think it was Clemson where students protested over being served Mexican food while wearing a sombrero. I would not take that as making fun of them or pretending to look like anyone. Sombreros are the one garment instantly recognized as Mexican. As far as I know there is no controversy over it, no one in Mexico is insulted when one is worn. It’s just part of a traditional costume. I don’t think that would compare to someme be pretending to shoot up studf posng as an American, that would most likely be intended as an insult. Wearing. Sombrero on Cinco de Mayo isn’t.
and of course there is racial appropriation, remember Rachel Dolezal the woman who was pretending to be black and even was head of a local NAACP office, now no one will give her a job and she is on Food Stamps. For some reason it's no big deal for people to dress up like a different gender, but not a different race, I mean I personally would never do it, but is there really a difference? And if so what is it?
Back to the original topic. You know it is BS when it is considered racist to wear a sombrero and serve Mexican food on a college campus for Cinco de Mayo.
Would it be racist if I wore a red, white and blue tracksuit, forgot my ability to critically think at home, and wolfed down cheeseburgers while shooting my gun into the air on President's Day?
If there is no issue with reducing a person to the stereotypes that exist for their cultural upbringing, this should go both directions.
From what I can see, people seem to have no problem with political correctness on its own: people seem to have a problem with political correctness when it inhibits their agenda rather than reinforcing it.
Yes, that would be racist and completely different. You would be embracing negative and illegal stereotypes.
How is serving Mexican food on a Mexican holiday racist? How is wearing a traditional wear (sombrero) on a Mexican holiday racist? No one implies all Mexicans wear it, but it is a traditional accessories that is still commonly worn. I don't think I've ever seen a mariachi band without a sombrero. It is perfectly acceptable to dress Irish and serve corned beef on St. Patrick's day. How is Cinco de Mayo different?
Is using chopsticks at a chinese restaurant racist now?
Negative and illegal stereotypes? How so?
How is wearing a typically patriotic outfit on an American holiday discriminatory? Not all Americans wear it, but many do dress up for the occasion. How is lacking critical thought, modelled after a typical American, discriminatory (and to remind you, you're 14th in reading skills, 25th in math, and 17th in sciences. You can walk north to Canada, where we're 3rd in reading, and 5th in math and sciences)? How is eating a cheeseburger discriminatory? By the Center for Investigative Reporting's estimate (via PBS), Americans consume three burgers per week. How is drawing attention to the American gun-lust discriminatory? There have been ongoing polarizing discussions on the topic for at least since the mass shooting epidemics, and the best solution this President has so far has been arming more people to prevent armed homicides (see the 'critical thought' part above).
Shooting guns in the air is very illegal. Could even result in manslaughter or worse if it kills someone. I have never met a single gun owner who shoots bullets in the air. So yes, someone posing as an American by shooting into the air would be illegal. I don’t have a problem if another country wants to serve hamburgers on the 4th of July. Dress as a cowboy and BBQ, wouldn’t insult me in the least. Suggesting they shoot guns in the air and equating that to serving Mexican food in a sombrero was what I didn’t agree with.
Back to the original topic. You know it is BS when it is considered racist to wear a sombrero and serve Mexican food on a college campus for Cinco de Mayo.
Would it be racist if I wore a red, white and blue tracksuit, forgot my ability to critically think at home, and wolfed down cheeseburgers while shooting my gun into the air on President's Day?
If there is no issue with reducing a person to the stereotypes that exist for their cultural upbringing, this should go both directions.
From what I can see, people seem to have no problem with political correctness on its own: people seem to have a problem with political correctness when it inhibits their agenda rather than reinforcing it.
Yes, that would be racist and completely different. You would be embracing negative and illegal stereotypes.
How is serving Mexican food on a Mexican holiday racist? How is wearing a traditional wear (sombrero) on a Mexican holiday racist? No one implies all Mexicans wear it, but it is a traditional accessories that is still commonly worn. I don't think I've ever seen a mariachi band without a sombrero. It is perfectly acceptable to dress Irish and serve corned beef on St. Patrick's day. How is Cinco de Mayo different?
Is using chopsticks at a chinese restaurant racist now?
Negative and illegal stereotypes? How so?
How is wearing a typically patriotic outfit on an American holiday discriminatory? Not all Americans wear it, but many do dress up for the occasion. How is lacking critical thought, modelled after a typical American, discriminatory (and to remind you, you're 14th in reading skills, 25th in math, and 17th in sciences. You can walk north to Canada, where we're 3rd in reading, and 5th in math and sciences)? How is eating a cheeseburger discriminatory? By the Center for Investigative Reporting's estimate (via PBS), Americans consume three burgers per week. How is drawing attention to the American gun-lust discriminatory? There have been ongoing polarizing discussions on the topic for at least since the mass shooting epidemics, and the best solution this President has so far has been arming more people to prevent armed homicides (see the 'critical thought' part above).
Shooting guns in the air is very illegal. Could even result in manslaughter or worse if it kills someone. I have never met a single gun owner who shoots bullets in the air. So yes, someone posing as an American by shooting into the air would be illegal. I don’t have a problem if another country wants to serve hamburgers on the 4th of July. Dress as a cowboy and BBQ, wouldn’t insult me in the least. Suggesting they shoot guns in the air and equating that to serving Mexican food in a sombrero was what I didn’t agree with.
Exactly. But that article they were not shooting up in the air as mentioned before, they were shooting at an illegal target without a proper berm. I only said I don;t know anyone and have never seen anyone who shoots guns into the air, I never said that doesn't happen if that is where this was going. The article states the only reason no charges were filed is they could not determine who fired the shot. My opinion both should have been charged with a lesser crime but neither with manslaughter.
Back to the original topic. You know it is BS when it is considered racist to wear a sombrero and serve Mexican food on a college campus for Cinco de Mayo.
Would it be racist if I wore a red, white and blue tracksuit, forgot my ability to critically think at home, and wolfed down cheeseburgers while shooting my gun into the air on President's Day?
If there is no issue with reducing a person to the stereotypes that exist for their cultural upbringing, this should go both directions.
From what I can see, people seem to have no problem with political correctness on its own: people seem to have a problem with political correctness when it inhibits their agenda rather than reinforcing it.
Yes, that would be racist and completely different. You would be embracing negative and illegal stereotypes.
How is serving Mexican food on a Mexican holiday racist? How is wearing a traditional wear (sombrero) on a Mexican holiday racist? No one implies all Mexicans wear it, but it is a traditional accessories that is still commonly worn. I don't think I've ever seen a mariachi band without a sombrero. It is perfectly acceptable to dress Irish and serve corned beef on St. Patrick's day. How is Cinco de Mayo different?
Is using chopsticks at a chinese restaurant racist now?
Negative and illegal stereotypes? How so?
How is wearing a typically patriotic outfit on an American holiday discriminatory? Not all Americans wear it, but many do dress up for the occasion. How is lacking critical thought, modelled after a typical American, discriminatory (and to remind you, you're 14th in reading skills, 25th in math, and 17th in sciences. You can walk north to Canada, where we're 3rd in reading, and 5th in math and sciences)? How is eating a cheeseburger discriminatory? By the Center for Investigative Reporting's estimate (via PBS), Americans consume three burgers per week. How is drawing attention to the American gun-lust discriminatory? There have been ongoing polarizing discussions on the topic for at least since the mass shooting epidemics, and the best solution this President has so far has been arming more people to prevent armed homicides (see the 'critical thought' part above).
Shooting guns in the air is very illegal. Could even result in manslaughter or worse if it kills someone. I have never met a single gun owner who shoots bullets in the air. So yes, someone posing as an American by shooting into the air would be illegal. I don’t have a problem if another country wants to serve hamburgers on the 4th of July. Dress as a cowboy and BBQ, wouldn’t insult me in the least. Suggesting they shoot guns in the air and equating that to serving Mexican food in a sombrero was what I didn’t agree with.
Exactly. But that article they were not shooting up in the air as mentioned before, they were shooting at an illegal target without a proper berm. I only said I don;t know anyone and have never seen anyone who shoots guns into the air, I never said that doesn't happen if that is where this was going. The article states the only reason no charges were filed is they could not determine who fired the shot. My opinion both should have been charged with a lesser crime but neither with manslaughter.
Just a couple more “responsible” gun owners not held to account for someone’s death. They both should have been charged with manslaughter for their stupidity alone. Maybe the skipped the class about knowing what’s down range?
Back to the original topic. You know it is BS when it is considered racist to wear a sombrero and serve Mexican food on a college campus for Cinco de Mayo.
Would it be racist if I wore a red, white and blue tracksuit, forgot my ability to critically think at home, and wolfed down cheeseburgers while shooting my gun into the air on President's Day?
If there is no issue with reducing a person to the stereotypes that exist for their cultural upbringing, this should go both directions.
From what I can see, people seem to have no problem with political correctness on its own: people seem to have a problem with political correctness when it inhibits their agenda rather than reinforcing it.
Yes, that would be racist and completely different. You would be embracing negative and illegal stereotypes.
How is serving Mexican food on a Mexican holiday racist? How is wearing a traditional wear (sombrero) on a Mexican holiday racist? No one implies all Mexicans wear it, but it is a traditional accessories that is still commonly worn. I don't think I've ever seen a mariachi band without a sombrero. It is perfectly acceptable to dress Irish and serve corned beef on St. Patrick's day. How is Cinco de Mayo different?
Is using chopsticks at a chinese restaurant racist now?
Negative and illegal stereotypes? How so?
How is wearing a typically patriotic outfit on an American holiday discriminatory? Not all Americans wear it, but many do dress up for the occasion. How is lacking critical thought, modelled after a typical American, discriminatory (and to remind you, you're 14th in reading skills, 25th in math, and 17th in sciences. You can walk north to Canada, where we're 3rd in reading, and 5th in math and sciences)? How is eating a cheeseburger discriminatory? By the Center for Investigative Reporting's estimate (via PBS), Americans consume three burgers per week. How is drawing attention to the American gun-lust discriminatory? There have been ongoing polarizing discussions on the topic for at least since the mass shooting epidemics, and the best solution this President has so far has been arming more people to prevent armed homicides (see the 'critical thought' part above).
Shooting guns in the air is very illegal. Could even result in manslaughter or worse if it kills someone. I have never met a single gun owner who shoots bullets in the air. So yes, someone posing as an American by shooting into the air would be illegal. I don’t have a problem if another country wants to serve hamburgers on the 4th of July. Dress as a cowboy and BBQ, wouldn’t insult me in the least. Suggesting they shoot guns in the air and equating that to serving Mexican food in a sombrero was what I didn’t agree with.
Exactly. But that article they were not shooting up in the air as mentioned before, they were shooting at an illegal target without a proper berm. I only said I don;t know anyone and have never seen anyone who shoots guns into the air, I never said that doesn't happen if that is where this was going. The article states the only reason no charges were filed is they could not determine who fired the shot. My opinion both should have been charged with a lesser crime but neither with manslaughter.
Just a couple more “responsible” gun owners not held to account for someone’s death. They both should have been charged with manslaughter for their stupidity alone. Maybe the skipped the class about knowing what’s down range?
I would agree that they should have been charged. I just don't see how manslaughter could have possibly stuck when there was no way of knowing who shot the fatal bullet. Legally I just don't see how that charge makes sense, no matter how stupid they were.
Back to the original topic. You know it is BS when it is considered racist to wear a sombrero and serve Mexican food on a college campus for Cinco de Mayo.
This is called "cultural appropriation" which, by definition, is racist. One does not need to be "PC" to understand this.
How so? So is it racist to eat corned beef on St. Patrick's Day? Is it racist to celebrate the Chinese new year in America? If you say yes then we just disagree on completely different levels.
If those are okay, how is serving Mexican food on Cinco de Mayo any different? People generally aren't mocking Mexicans by doing it.
No, those are not examples of cultural appropriation.
We were talking about someone pretending to look like Hispanic, not serve food, correct?
Sort of. I think it was Clemson where students protested over being served Mexican food while wearing a sombrero. I would not take that as making fun of them or pretending to look like anyone. Sombreros are the one garment instantly recognized as Mexican. As far as I know there is no controversy over it, no one in Mexico is insulted when one is worn. It’s just part of a traditional costume. I don’t think that would compare to someme be pretending to shoot up studf posng as an American, that would most likely be intended as an insult. Wearing. Sombrero on Cinco de Mayo isn’t.
and of course there is racial appropriation, remember Rachel Dolezal the woman who was pretending to be black and even was head of a local NAACP office, now no one will give her a job and she is on Food Stamps. For some reason it's no big deal for people to dress up like a different gender, but not a different race, I mean I personally would never do it, but is there really a difference? And if so what is it?
What the hell are you posting? Just random clips you find online? I’m not asking to sound like an asshole, but I’m trying to know where you’re coming from. Most of your posts are YouTube clips with sensationalistic headlines. Your message is lost and is a bit jumbled. Just some honest feedback.
It is interesting to me about its ok to dress as a woman at a party but not a different colour. Also the Mexican hat. If i put a cowboy hat on as an English man is that wrong. Dressing as another person to celebrate anything can in no way be classed as racism thats crazy talk. Celebrate means enjoy and you are FOR that specific event or day. Dear lord.
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up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,802
Back to the original topic. You know it is BS when it is considered racist to wear a sombrero and serve Mexican food on a college campus for Cinco de Mayo.
Would it be racist if I wore a red, white and blue tracksuit, forgot my ability to critically think at home, and wolfed down cheeseburgers while shooting my gun into the air on President's Day?
If there is no issue with reducing a person to the stereotypes that exist for their cultural upbringing, this should go both directions.
From what I can see, people seem to have no problem with political correctness on its own: people seem to have a problem with political correctness when it inhibits their agenda rather than reinforcing it.
Yes, that would be racist and completely different. You would be embracing negative and illegal stereotypes.
How is serving Mexican food on a Mexican holiday racist? How is wearing a traditional wear (sombrero) on a Mexican holiday racist? No one implies all Mexicans wear it, but it is a traditional accessories that is still commonly worn. I don't think I've ever seen a mariachi band without a sombrero. It is perfectly acceptable to dress Irish and serve corned beef on St. Patrick's day. How is Cinco de Mayo different?
Is using chopsticks at a chinese restaurant racist now?
Negative and illegal stereotypes? How so?
How is wearing a typically patriotic outfit on an American holiday discriminatory? Not all Americans wear it, but many do dress up for the occasion. How is lacking critical thought, modelled after a typical American, discriminatory (and to remind you, you're 14th in reading skills, 25th in math, and 17th in sciences. You can walk north to Canada, where we're 3rd in reading, and 5th in math and sciences)? How is eating a cheeseburger discriminatory? By the Center for Investigative Reporting's estimate (via PBS), Americans consume three burgers per week. How is drawing attention to the American gun-lust discriminatory? There have been ongoing polarizing discussions on the topic for at least since the mass shooting epidemics, and the best solution this President has so far has been arming more people to prevent armed homicides (see the 'critical thought' part above).
Shooting guns in the air is very illegal. Could even result in manslaughter or worse if it kills someone. I have never met a single gun owner who shoots bullets in the air. So yes, someone posing as an American by shooting into the air would be illegal. I don’t have a problem if another country wants to serve hamburgers on the 4th of July. Dress as a cowboy and BBQ, wouldn’t insult me in the least. Suggesting they shoot guns in the air and equating that to serving Mexican food in a sombrero was what I didn’t agree with.
Exactly. But that article they were not shooting up in the air as mentioned before, they were shooting at an illegal target without a proper berm. I only said I don;t know anyone and have never seen anyone who shoots guns into the air, I never said that doesn't happen if that is where this was going. The article states the only reason no charges were filed is they could not determine who fired the shot. My opinion both should have been charged with a lesser crime but neither with manslaughter.
Just a couple more “responsible” gun owners not held to account for someone’s death. They both should have been charged with manslaughter for their stupidity alone. Maybe the skipped the class about knowing what’s down range?
I would agree that they should have been charged. I just don't see how manslaughter could have possibly stuck when there was no way of knowing who shot the fatal bullet. Legally I just don't see how that charge makes sense, no matter how stupid they were.
negligent homicide, reckless endangerment
am sure a few others are available as well to punish
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What the hell are you posting? Just random clips you find online? I’m not asking to sound like an asshole, but I’m trying to know where you’re coming from. Most of your posts are YouTube clips with sensationalistic headlines. Your message is lost and is a bit jumbled. Just some honest feedback.
No they were discussing shooting guns in the air, and this happens all the time where people get killed from people shooting their guns in the air in celebration, but whatever dude, don't really give a shit either way, maybe you should try relaxing and being a little less stressed out
Back to the original topic. You know it is BS when it is considered racist to wear a sombrero and serve Mexican food on a college campus for Cinco de Mayo.
Would it be racist if I wore a red, white and blue tracksuit, forgot my ability to critically think at home, and wolfed down cheeseburgers while shooting my gun into the air on President's Day?
If there is no issue with reducing a person to the stereotypes that exist for their cultural upbringing, this should go both directions.
From what I can see, people seem to have no problem with political correctness on its own: people seem to have a problem with political correctness when it inhibits their agenda rather than reinforcing it.
Yes, that would be racist and completely different. You would be embracing negative and illegal stereotypes.
How is serving Mexican food on a Mexican holiday racist? How is wearing a traditional wear (sombrero) on a Mexican holiday racist? No one implies all Mexicans wear it, but it is a traditional accessories that is still commonly worn. I don't think I've ever seen a mariachi band without a sombrero. It is perfectly acceptable to dress Irish and serve corned beef on St. Patrick's day. How is Cinco de Mayo different?
Is using chopsticks at a chinese restaurant racist now?
Negative and illegal stereotypes? How so?
How is wearing a typically patriotic outfit on an American holiday discriminatory? Not all Americans wear it, but many do dress up for the occasion. How is lacking critical thought, modelled after a typical American, discriminatory (and to remind you, you're 14th in reading skills, 25th in math, and 17th in sciences. You can walk north to Canada, where we're 3rd in reading, and 5th in math and sciences)? How is eating a cheeseburger discriminatory? By the Center for Investigative Reporting's estimate (via PBS), Americans consume three burgers per week. How is drawing attention to the American gun-lust discriminatory? There have been ongoing polarizing discussions on the topic for at least since the mass shooting epidemics, and the best solution this President has so far has been arming more people to prevent armed homicides (see the 'critical thought' part above).
Shooting guns in the air is very illegal. Could even result in manslaughter or worse if it kills someone. I have never met a single gun owner who shoots bullets in the air. So yes, someone posing as an American by shooting into the air would be illegal. I don’t have a problem if another country wants to serve hamburgers on the 4th of July. Dress as a cowboy and BBQ, wouldn’t insult me in the least. Suggesting they shoot guns in the air and equating that to serving Mexican food in a sombrero was what I didn’t agree with.
Exactly. But that article they were not shooting up in the air as mentioned before, they were shooting at an illegal target without a proper berm. I only said I don;t know anyone and have never seen anyone who shoots guns into the air, I never said that doesn't happen if that is where this was going. The article states the only reason no charges were filed is they could not determine who fired the shot. My opinion both should have been charged with a lesser crime but neither with manslaughter.
Just a couple more “responsible” gun owners not held to account for someone’s death. They both should have been charged with manslaughter for their stupidity alone. Maybe the skipped the class about knowing what’s down range?
I would agree that they should have been charged. I just don't see how manslaughter could have possibly stuck when there was no way of knowing who shot the fatal bullet. Legally I just don't see how that charge makes sense, no matter how stupid they were.
negligent homicide, reckless endangerment
am sure a few others are available as well to punish
Yes, but who? You can't charge both just because you don't know which one was responsible. I said charge them both with something like reckless endangerment. I just don't see how you can charge both with any homicide/manslaughter when clearly only one did it, you just don't know which one. And that is exactly what happened, they couldn't figure out which one shot bullet that struck the man, so they couldn't charge them with homicide/manslaughter. Both should have definitely been charged with reckless endangerment or something similar though.
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up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,802
Back to the original topic. You know it is BS when it is considered racist to wear a sombrero and serve Mexican food on a college campus for Cinco de Mayo.
Would it be racist if I wore a red, white and blue tracksuit, forgot my ability to critically think at home, and wolfed down cheeseburgers while shooting my gun into the air on President's Day?
If there is no issue with reducing a person to the stereotypes that exist for their cultural upbringing, this should go both directions.
From what I can see, people seem to have no problem with political correctness on its own: people seem to have a problem with political correctness when it inhibits their agenda rather than reinforcing it.
Yes, that would be racist and completely different. You would be embracing negative and illegal stereotypes.
How is serving Mexican food on a Mexican holiday racist? How is wearing a traditional wear (sombrero) on a Mexican holiday racist? No one implies all Mexicans wear it, but it is a traditional accessories that is still commonly worn. I don't think I've ever seen a mariachi band without a sombrero. It is perfectly acceptable to dress Irish and serve corned beef on St. Patrick's day. How is Cinco de Mayo different?
Is using chopsticks at a chinese restaurant racist now?
Negative and illegal stereotypes? How so?
How is wearing a typically patriotic outfit on an American holiday discriminatory? Not all Americans wear it, but many do dress up for the occasion. How is lacking critical thought, modelled after a typical American, discriminatory (and to remind you, you're 14th in reading skills, 25th in math, and 17th in sciences. You can walk north to Canada, where we're 3rd in reading, and 5th in math and sciences)? How is eating a cheeseburger discriminatory? By the Center for Investigative Reporting's estimate (via PBS), Americans consume three burgers per week. How is drawing attention to the American gun-lust discriminatory? There have been ongoing polarizing discussions on the topic for at least since the mass shooting epidemics, and the best solution this President has so far has been arming more people to prevent armed homicides (see the 'critical thought' part above).
Shooting guns in the air is very illegal. Could even result in manslaughter or worse if it kills someone. I have never met a single gun owner who shoots bullets in the air. So yes, someone posing as an American by shooting into the air would be illegal. I don’t have a problem if another country wants to serve hamburgers on the 4th of July. Dress as a cowboy and BBQ, wouldn’t insult me in the least. Suggesting they shoot guns in the air and equating that to serving Mexican food in a sombrero was what I didn’t agree with.
Exactly. But that article they were not shooting up in the air as mentioned before, they were shooting at an illegal target without a proper berm. I only said I don;t know anyone and have never seen anyone who shoots guns into the air, I never said that doesn't happen if that is where this was going. The article states the only reason no charges were filed is they could not determine who fired the shot. My opinion both should have been charged with a lesser crime but neither with manslaughter.
Just a couple more “responsible” gun owners not held to account for someone’s death. They both should have been charged with manslaughter for their stupidity alone. Maybe the skipped the class about knowing what’s down range?
I would agree that they should have been charged. I just don't see how manslaughter could have possibly stuck when there was no way of knowing who shot the fatal bullet. Legally I just don't see how that charge makes sense, no matter how stupid they were.
negligent homicide, reckless endangerment
am sure a few others are available as well to punish
Yes, but who? You can't charge both just because you don't know which one was responsible. I said charge them both with something like reckless endangerment. I just don't see how you can charge both with any homicide/manslaughter when clearly only one did it, you just don't know which one. And that is exactly what happened, they couldn't figure out which one shot bullet that struck the man, so they couldn't charge them with homicide/manslaughter. Both should have definitely been charged with reckless endangerment or something similar though.
both were acting recklessly. chargw them both with that homicide charge as well as accessory to......
depraved indifference if that jurisdiction has that charge.
accessory often gets the full weight as well , so the charges fit.
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Back to the original topic. You know it is BS when it is considered racist to wear a sombrero and serve Mexican food on a college campus for Cinco de Mayo.
Would it be racist if I wore a red, white and blue tracksuit, forgot my ability to critically think at home, and wolfed down cheeseburgers while shooting my gun into the air on President's Day?
If there is no issue with reducing a person to the stereotypes that exist for their cultural upbringing, this should go both directions.
From what I can see, people seem to have no problem with political correctness on its own: people seem to have a problem with political correctness when it inhibits their agenda rather than reinforcing it.
Yes, that would be racist and completely different. You would be embracing negative and illegal stereotypes.
How is serving Mexican food on a Mexican holiday racist? How is wearing a traditional wear (sombrero) on a Mexican holiday racist? No one implies all Mexicans wear it, but it is a traditional accessories that is still commonly worn. I don't think I've ever seen a mariachi band without a sombrero. It is perfectly acceptable to dress Irish and serve corned beef on St. Patrick's day. How is Cinco de Mayo different?
Is using chopsticks at a chinese restaurant racist now?
Negative and illegal stereotypes? How so?
How is wearing a typically patriotic outfit on an American holiday discriminatory? Not all Americans wear it, but many do dress up for the occasion. How is lacking critical thought, modelled after a typical American, discriminatory (and to remind you, you're 14th in reading skills, 25th in math, and 17th in sciences. You can walk north to Canada, where we're 3rd in reading, and 5th in math and sciences)? How is eating a cheeseburger discriminatory? By the Center for Investigative Reporting's estimate (via PBS), Americans consume three burgers per week. How is drawing attention to the American gun-lust discriminatory? There have been ongoing polarizing discussions on the topic for at least since the mass shooting epidemics, and the best solution this President has so far has been arming more people to prevent armed homicides (see the 'critical thought' part above).
Shooting guns in the air is very illegal. Could even result in manslaughter or worse if it kills someone. I have never met a single gun owner who shoots bullets in the air. So yes, someone posing as an American by shooting into the air would be illegal. I don’t have a problem if another country wants to serve hamburgers on the 4th of July. Dress as a cowboy and BBQ, wouldn’t insult me in the least. Suggesting they shoot guns in the air and equating that to serving Mexican food in a sombrero was what I didn’t agree with.
Exactly. But that article they were not shooting up in the air as mentioned before, they were shooting at an illegal target without a proper berm. I only said I don;t know anyone and have never seen anyone who shoots guns into the air, I never said that doesn't happen if that is where this was going. The article states the only reason no charges were filed is they could not determine who fired the shot. My opinion both should have been charged with a lesser crime but neither with manslaughter.
Just a couple more “responsible” gun owners not held to account for someone’s death. They both should have been charged with manslaughter for their stupidity alone. Maybe the skipped the class about knowing what’s down range?
I would agree that they should have been charged. I just don't see how manslaughter could have possibly stuck when there was no way of knowing who shot the fatal bullet. Legally I just don't see how that charge makes sense, no matter how stupid they were.
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Yes, but who? You can't charge both just because you don't know which one was responsible. I said charge them both with something like reckless endangerment. I just don't see how you can charge both with any homicide/manslaughter when clearly only one did it, you just don't know which one. And that is exactly what happened, they couldn't figure out which one shot bullet that struck the man, so they couldn't charge them with homicide/manslaughter. Both should have definitely been charged with reckless endangerment or something similar though.
I'll bet you Florida would charge a bartender who served someone until they were hammered and then got in their car and killed someone, even if mutiple bartenders or waitstaff were working. This is part of the problem with the gun culture, gun owners are not held to an acceptiple level of accountibility. Its always a "tragic" accident. "Responsible" gun owners should hold thier own to account when they do stupid shit like this. I've posted numerous stories of innocent people going about their business, legally and ritghtfully, only to have their life taken by a "responsible" gun owner because of a "tragedy." Shooting in the air is only differentiated by horizontal into a berm, or so they thought, and vertically into the air. Maybe there should be a law that says if you're irresponsible in the operation of a firearm, or you were present and knew or should have known that someone in your party was irresponsible with a firearm, resulting in greivous harm or death of an individual, you lose your privelage to legally possess firearms for a period not to exceed 5 years, first offence? How many kids kill kids and the "responsible" adults don't pay a price other than feelings of guilt and remorse. Fuck that, lose your right to bear arms and go to jail to think about it for a while, idiot(s).
It is interesting to me about its ok to dress as a woman at a party but not a different colour. Also the Mexican hat. If i put a cowboy hat on as an English man is that wrong. Dressing as another person to celebrate anything can in no way be classed as racism thats crazy talk. Celebrate means enjoy and you are FOR that specific event or day. Dear lord.
Besides the fact that gender and culture are different things, a guy in the UK wearing a cowboy hat is also different because hispanics are at the receiving end of discrimination in the US, and you can combine it with a lot of ignorance around Mexican culture. A drunk guy with a sombrero, a burrito, and no idea of what Cinco de Mayo is about can represent this ignorance. How offended someone is is up to the observer.
Back to the original topic. You know it is BS when it is considered racist to wear a sombrero and serve Mexican food on a college campus for Cinco de Mayo.
Would it be racist if I wore a red, white and blue tracksuit, forgot my ability to critically think at home, and wolfed down cheeseburgers while shooting my gun into the air on President's Day?
If there is no issue with reducing a person to the stereotypes that exist for their cultural upbringing, this should go both directions.
From what I can see, people seem to have no problem with political correctness on its own: people seem to have a problem with political correctness when it inhibits their agenda rather than reinforcing it.
Yes, that would be racist and completely different. You would be embracing negative and illegal stereotypes.
How is serving Mexican food on a Mexican holiday racist? How is wearing a traditional wear (sombrero) on a Mexican holiday racist? No one implies all Mexicans wear it, but it is a traditional accessories that is still commonly worn. I don't think I've ever seen a mariachi band without a sombrero. It is perfectly acceptable to dress Irish and serve corned beef on St. Patrick's day. How is Cinco de Mayo different?
Is using chopsticks at a chinese restaurant racist now?
Negative and illegal stereotypes? How so?
How is wearing a typically patriotic outfit on an American holiday discriminatory? Not all Americans wear it, but many do dress up for the occasion. How is lacking critical thought, modelled after a typical American, discriminatory (and to remind you, you're 14th in reading skills, 25th in math, and 17th in sciences. You can walk north to Canada, where we're 3rd in reading, and 5th in math and sciences)? How is eating a cheeseburger discriminatory? By the Center for Investigative Reporting's estimate (via PBS), Americans consume three burgers per week. How is drawing attention to the American gun-lust discriminatory? There have been ongoing polarizing discussions on the topic for at least since the mass shooting epidemics, and the best solution this President has so far has been arming more people to prevent armed homicides (see the 'critical thought' part above).
Shooting guns in the air is very illegal. Could even result in manslaughter or worse if it kills someone. I have never met a single gun owner who shoots bullets in the air. So yes, someone posing as an American by shooting into the air would be illegal. I don’t have a problem if another country wants to serve hamburgers on the 4th of July. Dress as a cowboy and BBQ, wouldn’t insult me in the least. Suggesting they shoot guns in the air and equating that to serving Mexican food in a sombrero was what I didn’t agree with.
Exactly. But that article they were not shooting up in the air as mentioned before, they were shooting at an illegal target without a proper berm. I only said I don;t know anyone and have never seen anyone who shoots guns into the air, I never said that doesn't happen if that is where this was going. The article states the only reason no charges were filed is they could not determine who fired the shot. My opinion both should have been charged with a lesser crime but neither with manslaughter.
Just a couple more “responsible” gun owners not held to account for someone’s death. They both should have been charged with manslaughter for their stupidity alone. Maybe the skipped the class about knowing what’s down range?
I would agree that they should have been charged. I just don't see how manslaughter could have possibly stuck when there was no way of knowing who shot the fatal bullet. Legally I just don't see how that charge makes sense, no matter how stupid they were.
negligent homicide, reckless endangerment
am sure a few others are available as well to punish
Yes, but who? You can't charge both just because you don't know which one was responsible. I said charge them both with something like reckless endangerment. I just don't see how you can charge both with any homicide/manslaughter when clearly only one did it, you just don't know which one. And that is exactly what happened, they couldn't figure out which one shot bullet that struck the man, so they couldn't charge them with homicide/manslaughter. Both should have definitely been charged with reckless endangerment or something similar though.
I'll bet you Florida would charge a bartender who served someone until they were hammered and then got in their car and killed someone, even if mutiple bartenders or waitstaff were working. This is part of the problem with the gun culture, gun owners are not held to an acceptiple level of accountibility. Its always a "tragic" accident. "Responsible" gun owners should hold thier own to account when they do stupid shit like this. I've posted numerous stories of innocent people going about their business, legally and ritghtfully, only to have their life taken by a "responsible" gun owner because of a "tragedy." Shooting in the air is only differentiated by horizontal into a berm, or so they thought, and vertically into the air. Maybe there should be a law that says if you're irresponsible in the operation of a firearm, or you were present and knew or should have known that someone in your party was irresponsible with a firearm, resulting in greivous harm or death of an individual, you lose your privelage to legally possess firearms for a period not to exceed 5 years, first offence? How many kids kill kids and the "responsible" adults don't pay a price other than feelings of guilt and remorse. Fuck that, lose your right to bear arms and go to jail to think about it for a while, idiot(s).
But would they charge every bartender working, even if they had no idea who actually served him? I doubt it. Even if they know they all routinely serve people until they are hammered, they wouldn't charge everyone. I'm not against holding people responsible. You just have to know who is guilty. And I'm speculating here, but I would bet they determined any lawyer could easily throw up some defense given the scenario in a case like this that would make it impossible to convict.
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It is interesting to me about its ok to dress as a woman at a party but not a different colour. Also the Mexican hat. If i put a cowboy hat on as an English man is that wrong. Dressing as another person to celebrate anything can in no way be classed as racism thats crazy talk. Celebrate means enjoy and you are FOR that specific event or day. Dear lord.
Besides the fact that gender and culture are different things, a guy in the UK wearing a cowboy hat is also different because hispanics are at the receiving end of discrimination in the US, and you can combine it with a lot of ignorance around Mexican culture. A drunk guy with a sombrero, a burrito, and no idea of what Cinco de Mayo is about can represent this ignorance. How offended someone is is up to the observer.
Lots of Mexican buddies when I lived in LA and they would laugh at all of the whiteys going out to drink tequila and eat tacos on a day that none of them gave two shits about. One buddy explained to me that for the most part, only people who lived around where The Battle of Puebla took place celebrated. Otherwise it appears as though it might be propped up to support consumerism in the USA -- go out on May 5th and drink Tecate!
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I don't really think wearing a sombrero necessarily makes someone a racist but I do think putting non Hispanic employees in traditional Mexican garb is an example of cultural appropriation. Same thing with white people wearing Native American beaded shoes or hanging a Dreamcatcher from a rear view mirror. Those acts are insulting to indigenous peoples. Just ask them or read Sherman Alexie.
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Dream catchers ? I did not know that could be offencive . They are sold here at markets and they are common in peoples house windows. Well i live and learn
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I don't really think wearing a sombrero necessarily makes someone a racist but I do think putting non Hispanic employees in traditional Mexican garb is an example of cultural appropriation. Same thing with white people wearing Native American beaded shoes or hanging a Dreamcatcher from a rear view mirror. Those acts are insulting to indigenous peoples. Just ask them or read Sherman Alexie.
I don't really think wearing a sombrero necessarily makes someone a racist but I do think putting non Hispanic employees in traditional Mexican garb is an example of cultural appropriation. Same thing with white people wearing Native American beaded shoes or hanging a Dreamcatcher from a rear view mirror. Those acts are insulting to indigenous peoples. Just ask them or read Sherman Alexie.
In all seriousness, should we stop celebrating St. Patrick's day then? We wear green and sometimes other clothing or funny hats and get drunk. I know people who drink more that day than any other year. that to me seems far more offensive than wearing a Sombrero. But my opinion both are meant to be fun and not insulting to anyone. So I don't have a problem with it. I just don't see how someone could find a sombrero offensive/example of cultural appropriation but not have much bigger issue with how we celebrate St Patty's day. Just let people have fun, no one is harming anyone.
Im with that here in England st. Patricks day is an excuse for english people to get pissed and wear stupid Guinness hats that are typically like a leprechauns hat. Its pathetic. Nobody irish in the pub. Everyone in uk knows 17th march. But couldn't tell you st.davids day. St.Andrews day or st. George's day.
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Dream catchers ? I did not know that could be offencive . They are sold here at markets and they are common in peoples house windows. Well i live and learn
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I don't really think wearing a sombrero necessarily makes someone a racist but I do think putting non Hispanic employees in traditional Mexican garb is an example of cultural appropriation. Same thing with white people wearing Native American beaded shoes or hanging a Dreamcatcher from a rear view mirror. Those acts are insulting to indigenous peoples. Just ask them or read Sherman Alexie.
In all seriousness, should we stop celebrating St. Patrick's day then? We wear green and sometimes other clothing or funny hats and get drunk. I know people who drink more that day than any other year. that to me seems far more offensive than wearing a Sombrero. But my opinion both are meant to be fun and not insulting to anyone. So I don't have a problem with it. I just don't see how someone could find a sombrero offensive/example of cultural appropriation but not have much bigger issue with how we celebrate St Patty's day. Just let people have fun, no one is harming anyone.
How do Irish people feel about St. Patricks day and wearing green hats? I honestly don't know. Educate me.
But I will tell you this, I know for a fact that many American Indians and Hispanics are offended by whites appropriating their culture. Why not educate yourself on that subject? What harm can that do?
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Back to the original topic. You know it is BS when it is considered racist to wear a sombrero and serve Mexican food on a college campus for Cinco de Mayo.
This is called "cultural appropriation" which, by definition, is racist. One does not need to be "PC" to understand this.
I actually totally disagree with that. I think this whole cultural appropriation thing has raged completely out of control. Yes, in some cases I agree it's offensive. But in so many others, I think the label is being completely misused and it's ridiculous. I think this is one of those times. Honestly, if wearing a sombrero at a Cinco de Mayo celebration is offensive, then I don't give a shit about the people who are offended, because that's just dumb and way overly sensitive. Now, if those people also run around yelling "Ay-yi-yi, Tequila!!" and twirling fake moustaches and totally mocking Mexicans through cartoonish stereotypes, then yeah, someone who get offended has a leg to stand on.
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I don't really think wearing a sombrero necessarily makes someone a racist but I do think putting non Hispanic employees in traditional Mexican garb is an example of cultural appropriation. Same thing with white people wearing Native American beaded shoes or hanging a Dreamcatcher from a rear view mirror. Those acts are insulting to indigenous peoples. Just ask them or read Sherman Alexie.
In all seriousness, should we stop celebrating St. Patrick's day then? We wear green and sometimes other clothing or funny hats and get drunk. I know people who drink more that day than any other year. that to me seems far more offensive than wearing a Sombrero. But my opinion both are meant to be fun and not insulting to anyone. So I don't have a problem with it. I just don't see how someone could find a sombrero offensive/example of cultural appropriation but not have much bigger issue with how we celebrate St Patty's day. Just let people have fun, no one is harming anyone.
It's not the sombrero itself that is a problem, it's the total lack of shits given about the history and culture of the people being represented with token symbols. When sombreros and tacos and tequila are the average American's total knowledge of Mexican culture, you aren't doing anything but reinforcing the idea that there's no need to learn more about Mexico, you've got it covered...tacos and sombreros and tequila on May 5th.
St. Patty's Day is pretty offensive to Irish people who don't like to drink and fight, but I think the reason it isn't made into a big deal is because it isn't a minority race or a separate culture. We are talking about "western culture" of which Irish is only a subset. When average American white folks lampoon Irish people they are lampooning themselves, to certain extent even if they have a clear heritage that isn't Irish. Most of us have a mixed heritage of UK and continental (mostly German) Europe, and that's a perfect example of the breadth of western culture. Reducing "the other" to stereotypes is a much bigger deal than doing so to your own tribe.
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Sort of. I think it was Clemson where students protested over being served Mexican food while wearing a sombrero. I would not take that as making fun of them or pretending to look like anyone. Sombreros are the one garment instantly recognized as Mexican. As far as I know there is no controversy over it, no one in Mexico is insulted when one is worn. It’s just part of a traditional costume. I don’t think that would compare to someme be pretending to shoot up studf posng as an American, that would most likely be intended as an insult. Wearing. Sombrero on Cinco de Mayo isn’t.
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Exactly.
But that article they were not shooting up in the air as mentioned before, they were shooting at an illegal target without a proper berm. I only said I don;t know anyone and have never seen anyone who shoots guns into the air, I never said that doesn't happen if that is where this was going.
The article states the only reason no charges were filed is they could not determine who fired the shot.
My opinion both should have been charged with a lesser crime but neither with manslaughter.
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I said charge them both with something like reckless endangerment. I just don't see how you can charge both with any homicide/manslaughter when clearly only one did it, you just don't know which one. And that is exactly what happened, they couldn't figure out which one shot bullet that struck the man, so they couldn't charge them with homicide/manslaughter.
Both should have definitely been charged with reckless endangerment or something similar though.
depraved indifference if that jurisdiction has that charge.
accessory often gets the full weight as well , so the charges fit.
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I'm not against holding people responsible. You just have to know who is guilty. And I'm speculating here, but I would bet they determined any lawyer could easily throw up some defense given the scenario in a case like this that would make it impossible to convict.
Otherwise it appears as though it might be propped up to support consumerism in the USA -- go out on May 5th and drink Tecate!
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But my opinion both are meant to be fun and not insulting to anyone. So I don't have a problem with it. I just don't see how someone could find a sombrero offensive/example of cultural appropriation but not have much bigger issue with how we celebrate St Patty's day.
Just let people have fun, no one is harming anyone.
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But I will tell you this, I know for a fact that many American Indians and Hispanics are offended by whites appropriating their culture. Why not educate yourself on that subject? What harm can that do?
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When sombreros and tacos and tequila are the average American's total knowledge of Mexican culture, you aren't doing anything but reinforcing the idea that there's no need to learn more about Mexico, you've got it covered...tacos and sombreros and tequila on May 5th.
St. Patty's Day is pretty offensive to Irish people who don't like to drink and fight, but I think the reason it isn't made into a big deal is because it isn't a minority race or a separate culture.
We are talking about "western culture" of which Irish is only a subset. When average American white folks lampoon Irish people they are lampooning themselves, to certain extent even if they have a clear heritage that isn't Irish.
Most of us have a mixed heritage of UK and continental (mostly German) Europe, and that's a perfect example of the breadth of western culture.
Reducing "the other" to stereotypes is a much bigger deal than doing so to your own tribe.