Political Correctness is BS

hedonist

Smellyman said:

There is a difference between being honest and being a dick.

PC can be taken too far, but lately being antiPC means I can be a dick again.

A-fucking-men, Smelly.

By the way, I hereby nominate myself as The Dick Police.

(arrest this man )

oftenreading

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

rgambs said:

Political correctness is just the new name for having some fucking manners and respect.
People are all bent out of shape that society is holding them responsible for the things they say which are deliberately meant to piss people off and disrespect others.
99.9% of people who complain about political correctness are straight white men over the age of 30 for obvious reasons.

sorry but you are completely full of shit, just making up numbers, and who decides what's correct and what's not? who becomes the PC police, and I would rather have people being honest & authentic so I know just where they stand, than a bunch of people saying what they think you want to hear as to not piss you off. Sticks & Stones will break my bones & names will never hurt me, my valuation of myself comes  from within, so it doesn't fucking matter what name some asshole calls me, at least I know where I stand so I can just avoid that person, we are creating a society of total pansies

From your pictures, you are a white male. As such, you likely haven’t been on the receiving end of slurs being directed against the race or group that you belong to. That is a very, very different thing than a personal insult from someone who just doesn’t like you. 

I have lived on South Side of Chicago, and I dealt with it, I much stronger and more powerful than any words someone can hurl against me

What exactly did you “deal with”? Whether in Seattle or Chicago, you’re still a white guy. 
 

brianlux

I agree with the notion that some political correctness (a vaguely defined term) is bullshit in that sometimes its just buzz words said without much thought.  And sometimes the sentiments expressed in a PC manner are naive.  But here's the thing for me- people who seems more PC and less critical thinkers are generally people I believe whom mean well.  They care about the world and people in it.  So if you believe that what a PC person is saying is naive or nonconstructive, I guess you can have to reactions:  You can say, "Hey, you're a mindless asshole with your PC bullshit" or you can say, "It sounds to me like you have good intentions but I'm not sure that what you are proposing is very effective.  It sounds a bit too cliched.  Can we discuss other options?"

It's like here on AMT.  You can simply dismiss what someone says as bullshit and call them an idiot (and risk a time out or ban) or you can say to yourself, well, that person came here because they care about what is going on in the world.  Can we discuss this issue like two  grown adults and come up with a solution?

Over the years (and I've been guilty of this too so don't cut me slack on this) I've seen a lot or the former- name calling, dismissive responses, angry lashing out.  But when the latter happens, we are awesome. 

OnWis97

Political Correctness has become a buzzterm...it's essentially the precursor to "snowflake."

Essentially, I agree that there are problems with political correctness.  There are instances in which honestly is lost.  The Yale Halloween mess (when a bunch of students really did try to shut down opposing viewpoints) is a good example.  But to whatever degree the crusade against political correctness was well-meaning whenever it started, the vast majority of the use of the phrase has taken on two particularly awful characteristics:

1. It's an excuse to be an ass.  While I agree that political correctness has its problems, I don't interpret calling someone out for being a disrespectful turd as "PC."  That's about respect.  I don't view the distaste for Chief Wahoo as "over-sensitivity" and "PC."  I view it as not thinking a racist caricature is a great logo for a ballclub.  It's people fighting change; fighting the idea that cultures evolve and find better ways to treat one another.  Sometimes this includes things like not making rape jokes and hiding behind the flimsy fact that "it's comedy," not making racist jokes, and not getting away with people in power parroting stereotypes that legitimately can contribute to a culture that holds some people back.  And the most wonderful irony is that while political correctness often comes in the form of dismissing opposing viewpoints, the phrase itself is used to dismiss opposing viewpoints.  "Well maybe we should discuss whether we want confederate monuments."  Response..."PC!"  It is now used in lieu of critical thought and dialog.
2. It's a term that's been co-opted by the right and is alarmingly full of hypocrisy.  When someone who spends half of his waking time on the internet calling people "snowflakes" and lamenting his inability to make racist jokes is also whining about NFL players not reacting to the Anthem the way they do, that's hypocrisy.  Political correctness is often the attempts of a person or group to shut down opposing viewpoints and keep them out of the public dialog because some are "offended."  Somehow the things that tend to offend those on the right get a pass.

Big Bank Hank

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

rgambs said:

Political correctness is just the new name for having some fucking manners and respect.
People are all bent out of shape that society is holding them responsible for the things they say which are deliberately meant to piss people off and disrespect others.
99.9% of people who complain about political correctness are straight white men over the age of 30 for obvious reasons.

sorry but you are completely full of shit, just making up numbers, and who decides what's correct and what's not? who becomes the PC police, and I would rather have people being honest & authentic so I know just where they stand, than a bunch of people saying what they think you want to hear as to not piss you off. Sticks & Stones will break my bones & names will never hurt me, my valuation of myself comes  from within, so it doesn't fucking matter what name some asshole calls me, at least I know where I stand so I can just avoid that person, we are creating a society of total pansies

From your pictures, you are a white male. As such, you likely haven’t been on the receiving end of slurs being directed against the race or group that you belong to. That is a very, very different thing than a personal insult from someone who just doesn’t like you. 

I have lived on South Side of Chicago, and I dealt with it, I much stronger and more powerful than any words someone can hurl against me

What exactly did you “deal with”? Whether in Seattle or Chicago, you’re still a white guy. 
 

I lived on the South Side, where I lived it was mostly minorities, so I was actually the minority, and I was discriminated against and called racist names, but those were all people who didn't know me, none of my homeys ever gave me that kind of treatment, and I was attacked physically because of my skin color in an ambush with some teens while waiting for a train, and they were calling me racists names while they were attacking me, fortunately there were some people near by who stepped in or I could've easily been killed. It's not something I really like talking about, I still have some PTSD from it, but what can you do? You just have to move one, just like if someone says something insensitive.

dignin

OnWis97 said:

Political Correctness has become a buzzterm...it's essentially the precursor to "snowflake."

Essentially, I agree that there are problems with political correctness.  There are instances in which honestly is lost.  The Yale Halloween mess (when a bunch of students really did try to shut down opposing viewpoints) is a good example.  But to whatever degree the crusade against political correctness was well-meaning whenever it started, the vast majority of the use of the phrase has taken on two particularly awful characteristics:

1. It's an excuse to be an ass.  While I agree that political correctness has its problems, I don't interpret calling someone out for being a disrespectful turd as "PC."  That's about respect.  I don't view the distaste for Chief Wahoo as "over-sensitivity" and "PC."  I view it as not thinking a racist caricature is a great logo for a ballclub.  It's people fighting change; fighting the idea that cultures evolve and find better ways to treat one another.  Sometimes this includes things like not making rape jokes and hiding behind the flimsy fact that "it's comedy," not making racist jokes, and not getting away with people in power parroting stereotypes that legitimately can contribute to a culture that holds some people back.  And the most wonderful irony is that while political correctness often comes in the form of dismissing opposing viewpoints, the phrase itself is used to dismiss opposing viewpoints.  "Well maybe we should discuss whether we want confederate monuments."  Response..."PC!"  It is now used in lieu of critical thought and dialog.
2. It's a term that's been co-opted by the right and is alarmingly full of hypocrisy.  When someone who spends half of his waking time on the internet calling people "snowflakes" and lamenting his inability to make racist jokes is also whining about NFL players not reacting to the Anthem the way they do, that's hypocrisy.  Political correctness is often the attempts of a person or group to shut down opposing viewpoints and keep them out of the public dialog because some are "offended."  Somehow the things that tend to offend those on the right get a pass.

Great post.

brianlux

dignin said:

OnWis97 said:

Political Correctness has become a buzzterm...it's essentially the precursor to "snowflake."

Essentially, I agree that there are problems with political correctness.  There are instances in which honestly is lost.  The Yale Halloween mess (when a bunch of students really did try to shut down opposing viewpoints) is a good example.  But to whatever degree the crusade against political correctness was well-meaning whenever it started, the vast majority of the use of the phrase has taken on two particularly awful characteristics:

1. It's an excuse to be an ass.  While I agree that political correctness has its problems, I don't interpret calling someone out for being a disrespectful turd as "PC."  That's about respect.  I don't view the distaste for Chief Wahoo as "over-sensitivity" and "PC."  I view it as not thinking a racist caricature is a great logo for a ballclub.  It's people fighting change; fighting the idea that cultures evolve and find better ways to treat one another.  Sometimes this includes things like not making rape jokes and hiding behind the flimsy fact that "it's comedy," not making racist jokes, and not getting away with people in power parroting stereotypes that legitimately can contribute to a culture that holds some people back.  And the most wonderful irony is that while political correctness often comes in the form of dismissing opposing viewpoints, the phrase itself is used to dismiss opposing viewpoints.  "Well maybe we should discuss whether we want confederate monuments."  Response..."PC!"  It is now used in lieu of critical thought and dialog.
2. It's a term that's been co-opted by the right and is alarmingly full of hypocrisy.  When someone who spends half of his waking time on the internet calling people "snowflakes" and lamenting his inability to make racist jokes is also whining about NFL players not reacting to the Anthem the way they do, that's hypocrisy.  Political correctness is often the attempts of a person or group to shut down opposing viewpoints and keep them out of the public dialog because some are "offended."  Somehow the things that tend to offend those on the right get a pass.

Great post.

2nd that.

Big Bank Hank

brianlux said:

dignin said:

OnWis97 said:

Political Correctness has become a buzzterm...it's essentially the precursor to "snowflake."

Essentially, I agree that there are problems with political correctness.  There are instances in which honestly is lost.  The Yale Halloween mess (when a bunch of students really did try to shut down opposing viewpoints) is a good example.  But to whatever degree the crusade against political correctness was well-meaning whenever it started, the vast majority of the use of the phrase has taken on two particularly awful characteristics:

1. It's an excuse to be an ass.  While I agree that political correctness has its problems, I don't interpret calling someone out for being a disrespectful turd as "PC."  That's about respect.  I don't view the distaste for Chief Wahoo as "over-sensitivity" and "PC."  I view it as not thinking a racist caricature is a great logo for a ballclub.  It's people fighting change; fighting the idea that cultures evolve and find better ways to treat one another.  Sometimes this includes things like not making rape jokes and hiding behind the flimsy fact that "it's comedy," not making racist jokes, and not getting away with people in power parroting stereotypes that legitimately can contribute to a culture that holds some people back.  And the most wonderful irony is that while political correctness often comes in the form of dismissing opposing viewpoints, the phrase itself is used to dismiss opposing viewpoints.  "Well maybe we should discuss whether we want confederate monuments."  Response..."PC!"  It is now used in lieu of critical thought and dialog.
2. It's a term that's been co-opted by the right and is alarmingly full of hypocrisy.  When someone who spends half of his waking time on the internet calling people "snowflakes" and lamenting his inability to make racist jokes is also whining about NFL players not reacting to the Anthem the way they do, that's hypocrisy.  Political correctness is often the attempts of a person or group to shut down opposing viewpoints and keep them out of the public dialog because some are "offended."  Somehow the things that tend to offend those on the right get a pass.

Great post.

2nd that.

I like knowing where I stand, and if someone is an asshole, it's much more easily identified when they are being honest. BTW, I don't hang out or associate with any racists or people who are discriminatory or all the people for whom taking Freedom of Speech away is aimed at, I believe society and the workplace do a good enough job self policing, and I do believe strongly in workplace standards for conduct, because in the workplace it's very hard to avoid people you have to work with every day.

Go Beavers

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

rgambs said:

brianlux said:

lastexitlondon said:

I agree sometimes just a nod and say nothing stops the situation gathering any momentum. Im terrible at keeping my mouth shut though(my mothers gene) so I often end up in a situation. Oh well i rarely go out now so not as important. 

I was going to add that In many ways, I admire people who say it like it is, who pull no punches.  Some great example- the comedian George Carlin.  Native American writer Sherman Alexie.  Southwest writer and curmudgeon Edward Abbey. Writer, singer, actor, traveler, speaker, all around cool guy Henry Rollins.  All heroes of mine.

All more politically correct than not, really.
It's not opinions and ideas that are politically incorrect, it's the expression of opinions and ideas in deliberately disrespectful ways.

this would be considered politically incorrect, and I think that's okay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0oXY4nDxE

I'm starting to think you may have some different views on what political correctness is. 

trust me here in Seattle singing Dude looks like a lady you get some really disgusted looks, because it is considered very much politically incorrect, because it's somehow disrespectful to transgenders or transvestites 

Maybe it's just your singing?

ha ha, no it's definitely not that, things are completely different living in Seattle as opposed to living in Chicago, a lot of stuff that was cool in Chicago, doesn't necessarily fly here

This explains a lot. You’ve moved from one of the most segregated cities to the least. There’s a immense amount if racism in Chicago, based on my anecdotal personal experience as well as others. A lot of people just don’t have contact with people who are different from themselves. There’s also a lot of focus on knowing who lives in what area and what race/ethnicity they are. He’s a jew. He’s polish. He’s italian. He’s black etc.... 

brianlux

Big Bank Hank said:

brianlux said:

dignin said:

OnWis97 said:

Political Correctness has become a buzzterm...it's essentially the precursor to "snowflake."

Essentially, I agree that there are problems with political correctness.  There are instances in which honestly is lost.  The Yale Halloween mess (when a bunch of students really did try to shut down opposing viewpoints) is a good example.  But to whatever degree the crusade against political correctness was well-meaning whenever it started, the vast majority of the use of the phrase has taken on two particularly awful characteristics:

1. It's an excuse to be an ass.  While I agree that political correctness has its problems, I don't interpret calling someone out for being a disrespectful turd as "PC."  That's about respect.  I don't view the distaste for Chief Wahoo as "over-sensitivity" and "PC."  I view it as not thinking a racist caricature is a great logo for a ballclub.  It's people fighting change; fighting the idea that cultures evolve and find better ways to treat one another.  Sometimes this includes things like not making rape jokes and hiding behind the flimsy fact that "it's comedy," not making racist jokes, and not getting away with people in power parroting stereotypes that legitimately can contribute to a culture that holds some people back.  And the most wonderful irony is that while political correctness often comes in the form of dismissing opposing viewpoints, the phrase itself is used to dismiss opposing viewpoints.  "Well maybe we should discuss whether we want confederate monuments."  Response..."PC!"  It is now used in lieu of critical thought and dialog.
2. It's a term that's been co-opted by the right and is alarmingly full of hypocrisy.  When someone who spends half of his waking time on the internet calling people "snowflakes" and lamenting his inability to make racist jokes is also whining about NFL players not reacting to the Anthem the way they do, that's hypocrisy.  Political correctness is often the attempts of a person or group to shut down opposing viewpoints and keep them out of the public dialog because some are "offended."  Somehow the things that tend to offend those on the right get a pass.

Great post.

2nd that.

I like knowing where I stand, and if someone is an asshole, it's much more easily identified when they are being honest. BTW, I don't hang out or associate with any racists or people who are discriminatory or all the people for whom taking Freedom of Speech away is aimed at, I believe society and the workplace do a good enough job self policing, and I do believe strongly in workplace standards for conduct, because in the workplace it's very hard to avoid people you have to work with every day.

I agree with being honest and letting someone know where I stand and knowing where the other guy stands IF I want to engage or have no choice but to engage with that person.  But like I said earlier, if I don't want to grow closer to that person, I'm not going to disclose much and I might even harmlessly fib in order to avoid getting entangled.  The work place is where that is sometimes necessary, just as you indicated.

HesCalledDyer

I'm failing to see the connection where politcal correctness equates to being dishonest, or not being politically correct equates to being honest.  These things are not mutually exclusive.

lastexitlondon

HesCalledDyer said:

I'm failing to see the connection where politcal correctness equates to being dishonest, or not being politically correct equates to being honest.  These things are not mutually exclusive.

I agree

lastexitlondon

I thought p.c was like over the top trying to say the "right " thing rather than how its always been said or known. I can't think of a great example though im getting old.

Big Bank Hank

HesCalledDyer said:

I'm failing to see the connection where politcal correctness equates to being dishonest, or not being politically correct equates to being honest.  These things are not mutually exclusive.

they are not but there are a lot of people being say what they think others want to hear, instead of saying what they feel, and if they are to embarrassed to express themselves honestly, then they should change their way of being (i.e; if your racist, don't be racist) We do have the ability to change our way of living and thinking, instead of not addressing it and saying what they feel is expected

JC29856

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Big Bank Hank

JC29856 said:

ruffling AMT feathers! (aka connecting bots!)

lol

mickeyrat

Big Bank Hank said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I'm failing to see the connection where politcal correctness equates to being dishonest, or not being politically correct equates to being honest.  These things are not mutually exclusive.

they are not but there are a lot of people being say what they think others want to hear, instead of saying what they feel, and if they are to embarrassed to express themselves honestly, then they should change their way of being (i.e; if your racist, don't be racist) We do have the ability to change our way of living and thinking, instead of not addressing it and saying what they feel is expected

you can be respectful of others AND honest at the same time.

people you describe seem to lack basic decency. and decency is about respwct and honesty.

Big Bank Hank

mickeyrat said:

Big Bank Hank said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I'm failing to see the connection where politcal correctness equates to being dishonest, or not being politically correct equates to being honest.  These things are not mutually exclusive.

they are not but there are a lot of people being say what they think others want to hear, instead of saying what they feel, and if they are to embarrassed to express themselves honestly, then they should change their way of being (i.e; if your racist, don't be racist) We do have the ability to change our way of living and thinking, instead of not addressing it and saying what they feel is expected

you can be respectful of others AND honest at the same time.

people you describe seem to lack basic decency. and decency is about respwct and honesty.

you can be, certainly, anybody can be anything, but that doesn't mean that's the norm, there is more and more fake-ness now, than I have ever seen before

Go Beavers

Big Bank Hank said:

mickeyrat said:

Big Bank Hank said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I'm failing to see the connection where politcal correctness equates to being dishonest, or not being politically correct equates to being honest.  These things are not mutually exclusive.

they are not but there are a lot of people being say what they think others want to hear, instead of saying what they feel, and if they are to embarrassed to express themselves honestly, then they should change their way of being (i.e; if your racist, don't be racist) We do have the ability to change our way of living and thinking, instead of not addressing it and saying what they feel is expected

you can be respectful of others AND honest at the same time.

people you describe seem to lack basic decency. and decency is about respwct and honesty.

you can be, certainly, anybody can be anything, but that doesn't mean that's the norm, is more and more fake-ness now, than I have ever seen before

I’m a little confused. What do you mean by fake-ness?

Big Bank Hank

Go Beavers said:

Big Bank Hank said:

mickeyrat said:

Big Bank Hank said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I'm failing to see the connection where politcal correctness equates to being dishonest, or not being politically correct equates to being honest.  These things are not mutually exclusive.

they are not but there are a lot of people being say what they think others want to hear, instead of saying what they feel, and if they are to embarrassed to express themselves honestly, then they should change their way of being (i.e; if your racist, don't be racist) We do have the ability to change our way of living and thinking, instead of not addressing it and saying what they feel is expected

you can be respectful of others AND honest at the same time.

people you describe seem to lack basic decency. and decency is about respwct and honesty.

you can be, certainly, anybody can be anything, but that doesn't mean that's the norm, is more and more fake-ness now, than I have ever seen before

I’m a little confused. What do you mean by fake-ness?

Saying or expressing something that is not what one's feeling or beliefs, but rather what one feels is expected, or looking for acceptance even though in contradicts one's own beliefs