Dying alone

HughFreakingDillon

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

can any of you stop mocking other's beliefs for one second?

Ho! Ho! Ho!

yeah, just what I thought. 

dignin

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

can any of you stop mocking other's beliefs for one second?

Ho! Ho! Ho!

yeah, just what I thought. 

Some people laugh at adults who believe in Santa and some people laugh at people who get shot in the face. I'm not judging.

Maybe some people around here are pretty grumpy deep into the dark winter, they may need to consider taking a timeout to regain their sunny ways. Fear not, spring is coming.

HughFreakingDillon

so it's "grumpy" to call out intolerance? I'll remember that. 

Annafalk

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Annafalk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Annafalk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RYME said:

even flow - question mark said:

My mother had ALS and had to be put in a home for purposes of being taken care of. I visited almost every day, fed her dinner and talked about life. Even she died alone in the middle of the night. So even with the almost most of my free time that I could give her, she still was sadly on her own when she passed. Tis life!

She wasn't alone.  Our Father takes care of His own.  Please Read.  Pay close attention to versus 6 and 7.
https://christiananswers.net/bible/eccl12.html
And she appreciated everything you did.
So, Let not your heart be troubled.  Go in peace.

Are you sure? What about the other people dying in other parts of the world at the same time? Can God be in several places at one time? That must be really hard to do.

Off course he can.

Oh. Well call me stupid then.

It's just hard to picture something being in multiple places at once... giving a dying person their undivided attention. Not to mention... observing the countless other unspeakable things that need to be noted... and listening to the countless prayers being uttered... and all those other things occurring simultaneously.

I guess this is what they call the 'leap of faith'. Questions that cannot be answered with any degree of logic are responded to with, "You must have faith."

In other words... "Hmmm. I'm not really too sure? Hey... just believe okay? Or you'll go to Hell. Do you want to burn in eternity? Didn't think so. Sooo... say your prayers. Oh... and don't forget your tithe!"

I’m absolutely not calling you stupid, I’m sorry if I upset you in any way, truly. 

Anna... two things:

1. I disagree with your faith vehemently.
2. I think you are a truly nice person and as much as I disagree with your beliefs... it takes nothing from my understanding of you as an exceptional human being (from what I have read of your posts). 

Thank you for the very kind words. I like you and I think you say many great/fun/smart things on this board.

amethgr8

People die being loved by someone, they are physically along, but in their heart they know they are not "alone" in the world.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Annafalk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Annafalk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Annafalk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RYME said:

even flow - question mark said:

My mother had ALS and had to be put in a home for purposes of being taken care of. I visited almost every day, fed her dinner and talked about life. Even she died alone in the middle of the night. So even with the almost most of my free time that I could give her, she still was sadly on her own when she passed. Tis life!

She wasn't alone.  Our Father takes care of His own.  Please Read.  Pay close attention to versus 6 and 7.
https://christiananswers.net/bible/eccl12.html
And she appreciated everything you did.
So, Let not your heart be troubled.  Go in peace.

Are you sure? What about the other people dying in other parts of the world at the same time? Can God be in several places at one time? That must be really hard to do.

Off course he can.

Oh. Well call me stupid then.

It's just hard to picture something being in multiple places at once... giving a dying person their undivided attention. Not to mention... observing the countless other unspeakable things that need to be noted... and listening to the countless prayers being uttered... and all those other things occurring simultaneously.

I guess this is what they call the 'leap of faith'. Questions that cannot be answered with any degree of logic are responded to with, "You must have faith."

In other words... "Hmmm. I'm not really too sure? Hey... just believe okay? Or you'll go to Hell. Do you want to burn in eternity? Didn't think so. Sooo... say your prayers. Oh... and don't forget your tithe!"

I’m absolutely not calling you stupid, I’m sorry if I upset you in any way, truly. 

Anna... two things:

1. I disagree with your faith vehemently.
2. I think you are a truly nice person and as much as I disagree with your beliefs... it takes nothing from my understanding of you as an exceptional human being (from what I have read of your posts). 

Thank you for the very kind words. I like you and I think you say many great/fun/smart things on this board.

Cheers!

Also... if somebody has faith and lives a great life as a result... who am I to question what is good for them and what isn't? My oldest friend is a devout Catholic and we have debated religion for many years. Our disagreements have never come between our friendship.

RYME

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RYME said:

even flow - question mark said:

My mother had ALS and had to be put in a home for purposes of being taken care of. I visited almost every day, fed her dinner and talked about life. Even she died alone in the middle of the night. So even with the almost most of my free time that I could give her, she still was sadly on her own when she passed. Tis life!

She wasn't alone.  Our Father takes care of His own.  Please Read.  Pay close attention to versus 6 and 7.
https://christiananswers.net/bible/eccl12.html
And she appreciated everything you did.
So, Let not your heart be troubled.  Go in peace.

Are you sure? What about the other people dying in other parts of the world at the same time? Can God be in several places at one time? That must be really hard to do.

Absolutely yes He does and yes He can.
You can believe whatever you want.
Someone else here says ho ho ho like this is really funny.  I don't think this is a humorous thread.
I don't understand your anger/disdain.  You were extremely rough on Annafalk as well.
She stated her beliefs & you freaked on her.  She said "of course he can", you said  "call me stupid" nobody called you stupid.  Dude, a few people are trying to comfort people here who are grieving, who lost their mother recently, or are concerned about dying alone on their own, & the reaction to that is ho ho ho. Really??. 
 If you are at an event somewhere and there is a moment of silence requested, are you the one that burps out loud or blows an air horn or something?  I don't really care if you mock me, but what you're actually doing is disrespecting the person here who lost their mother that some of us are trying to comfort.
There are several threads dedicated to the Concept of God, or the one that says
 I Don't Believe in God.  You can debate religion there all you want.
 I Think this Thread is about people who have concerns about Dying or Dying Alone.
They obviously are seeking Council or empathy, compassion, understanding, & or just want to be heard and seen.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

RYME said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RYME said:

even flow - question mark said:

My mother had ALS and had to be put in a home for purposes of being taken care of. I visited almost every day, fed her dinner and talked about life. Even she died alone in the middle of the night. So even with the almost most of my free time that I could give her, she still was sadly on her own when she passed. Tis life!

She wasn't alone.  Our Father takes care of His own.  Please Read.  Pay close attention to versus 6 and 7.
https://christiananswers.net/bible/eccl12.html
And she appreciated everything you did.
So, Let not your heart be troubled.  Go in peace.

Are you sure? What about the other people dying in other parts of the world at the same time? Can God be in several places at one time? That must be really hard to do.

Absolutely yes He does and yes He can.
You can believe whatever you want.
Someone else says ho ho ho like this is really funny.
I don't understand your anger.  You were extremely rough on Annafalk as well.
She stated her beliefs & you freaked on her.  She said "of course he can", you said  "call me stupid" nobody called you stupid.  Dude, a few people are trying to comfort someone who lost their mother recently. & the reaction to that is ho ho ho. Really??. 
 If there is a moment of silence requested, are you the one that burps out loud or something?  I don't really care if you mock me, but what you're actually doing is disrespecting the person here who lost their mother that I was trying to comfort.

'Freaked on her'?

No. Just no.

Spoke a bit of common sense, but you probably didn't like that- you've taken the leap of faith.

And nice, subtle passive aggression (with the burp comment). A veiled shot at my character, but not as discreet as you make it out to be... and hypocritical in the context of the rest of your passage.

dignin

RYME said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RYME said:

even flow - question mark said:

My mother had ALS and had to be put in a home for purposes of being taken care of. I visited almost every day, fed her dinner and talked about life. Even she died alone in the middle of the night. So even with the almost most of my free time that I could give her, she still was sadly on her own when she passed. Tis life!

She wasn't alone.  Our Father takes care of His own.  Please Read.  Pay close attention to versus 6 and 7.
https://christiananswers.net/bible/eccl12.html
And she appreciated everything you did.
So, Let not your heart be troubled.  Go in peace.

Are you sure? What about the other people dying in other parts of the world at the same time? Can God be in several places at one time? That must be really hard to do.

 Dude, a few people are trying to comfort people here who are grieving, who lost their mother recently, or are concerned about dying alone on their own, & the reaction to that is ho ho ho. Really??. 

Don't put my comment in that context. It obviously wasn't a reaction to someone grieving for their mother. I get that you are offended by my comment because it pokes fun at your religion, but don't attack it through bullshit, hit me straight on.

RYME

Character,
This Thread is titled Dying Alone
It was obviously created by somebody who fears dying alone.
Other people have their own issues where a loved one dies alone.
I think they're posting here for Council, wishing to be heard and seen, perhaps seeking a little compassion.
When that is offered buy someone, even if you disagree with the statement why would you taketake a swing?
There are at least two other religious threads that I know about, 
The concept of God, & I don't believe in God, where the point of thread is to debate religion all you want. 
So if I'm trying to cheer up a grieving person here, why would you take the swing?
 No I do not think that you would be burping during a moment of silence. I was referring to the guy that keeps saying ho ho ho not you.
Anyway rather than commenting on my comments, why don't you offer The Grieving person that I was talking to some kind words of your own.

dignin

RYME said:

Character,
This Thread is titled Dying Alone
It was obviously created by somebody who fears dying alone.
Other people have their own issues where a loved one dies alone.
I think they're posting here for Council, wishing to be heard and seen, perhaps seeking a little compassion.
When that is offered buy someone, even if you disagree with the statement why would you taketake a swing?
There are at least two other religious threads that I know about, 
The concept of God, & I don't believe in God, where the point of thread is to debate religion all you want. 
So if I'm trying to cheer up a grieving person here, why would you take the swing?
 If we're talking about character now, why would you take a swing in this particular thread?

I didn't take a swing at you. I have no idea where you are getting that from. 

I made a joke about prostitution earlier in this thread and I didn't here you complain about that. So jokes are fine, as long as they are not about your god. Got it. Let's move on.

Thoughts arrive, you going to take me up on my wingman in Missoula offer?

jnimhaoileoin

Jaysus lads, ye went off on a bit of a tangent there!

Interesting suggestion that many people may prefer to die alone. That makes sense to me, a lot of people (me included) hate showing vulnerability and there could be no greater moment of vulnerability than that

rgambs

I've watched a few people die and I'm convinced we all die alone and that's ok.
The moment of the last breath usually comes much, much slower than people think, often even in more sudden deaths than natural causes.
I think the percentage of people who are aware of their last breath is next to zero, and in that moment you are alone inside yourself, if you still exist at all.
It's nice for the survivors to feel that it was good that someone was there, I sat that vigil myself for my uncle, but I don't think it matters at all to the departing. 

brianlux

To hell with dying is my outlook these days.  Live, right now.  A friend just sent me a photo of he took of me from around 1973.  There I am, this 22 year young guy with a smile on my face and a million miles to go.  That was a blink ago.  A 45 year long blink and gone.  Live.  Live now every day.  Don't wait.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

RYME said:

Character,
This Thread is titled Dying Alone
It was obviously created by somebody who fears dying alone.
Other people have their own issues where a loved one dies alone.
I think they're posting here for Council, wishing to be heard and seen, perhaps seeking a little compassion.
When that is offered buy someone, even if you disagree with the statement why would you taketake a swing?
There are at least two other religious threads that I know about, 
The concept of God, & I don't believe in God, where the point of thread is to debate religion all you want. 
So if I'm trying to cheer up a grieving person here, why would you take the swing?
 No I do not think that you would be burping during a moment of silence. I was referring to the guy that keeps saying ho ho ho not you.
Anyway rather than commenting on my comments, why don't you offer The Grieving person that I was talking to some kind words of your own.

I got a little irritated with what seemed like a promotion of your religion. No big deal either way.

Here's my advice: better to have lived and died than never to have lived at all. Loss is tough to deal with, but once the pain subsides... the clouds move away from the sun and the fun memories of the lost one becomes the focus.

As Brian kind of stated... make some memories while you can.

Miss.Snowdrop

brianlux said:

To hell with dying is my outlook these days.  Live, right now.  A friend just sent me a photo of he took of me from around 1973.  There I am, this 22 year young guy with a smile on my face and a million miles to go.  That was a blink ago.  A 45 year long blink and gone.  Live.  Live now every day.  Don't wait.

I absolutely agree. 
Although, it is always easier in theory. Often it is pretty hard to change and leave ones comfort zone. That's at least my problem...

brianlux

Miss.Snowdrop said:

brianlux said:

To hell with dying is my outlook these days.  Live, right now.  A friend just sent me a photo of he took of me from around 1973.  There I am, this 22 year young guy with a smile on my face and a million miles to go.  That was a blink ago.  A 45 year long blink and gone.  Live.  Live now every day.  Don't wait.

I absolutely agree. 
Although, it is always easier in theory. Often it is pretty hard to change and leave ones comfort zone. That's at least my problem...

Yes, that's true for some of us.   As I get older, I have more and more difficulty getting out of my comfort zone.  I'm basically an introvert but somehow I manage to push myself out from under my rock and go do things (besides work, which is a major way I keep busy).  But even when "I'm in Hiding", I push myself to reach out via the occasional cards and letters and especially via the internet, and also make an effort find  creative things to do.  I also consider reading a great way to experience things, at least vicariously.

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

I've watched a few people die and I'm convinced we all die alone and that's ok.
The moment of the last breath usually comes much, much slower than people think, often even in more sudden deaths than natural causes.
I think the percentage of people who are aware of their last breath is next to zero, and in that moment you are alone inside yourself, if you still exist at all.
It's nice for the survivors to feel that it was good that someone was there, I sat that vigil myself for my uncle, but I don't think it matters at all to the departing. 

I watched my uncle die. It was terrifying to see. it was 20 years ago and I'll never forget it. 

kce8

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

I've watched a few people die and I'm convinced we all die alone and that's ok.
The moment of the last breath usually comes much, much slower than people think, often even in more sudden deaths than natural causes.
I think the percentage of people who are aware of their last breath is next to zero, and in that moment you are alone inside yourself, if you still exist at all.
It's nice for the survivors to feel that it was good that someone was there, I sat that vigil myself for my uncle, but I don't think it matters at all to the departing. 

I watched my uncle die. It was terrifying to see. it was 20 years ago and I'll never forget it. 

I just hope I don't have to experience that too soon... 
I already got enough stuff for a live time to deal with 20 years ago, and even the thought about a loss of another loved one just scares me. 
It is the way how we maybe have to go what also is frightening, the same as the fear about the loss of someone else.
I think I am not that afraid about dying myself. 

PJ_Soul

I hope my parents just drop dead. I know the chances of that are slim to none, unfortunately, but I still hope for it. My parents don't want to go slowly, and I don't want to have to watch them go that way either. I hope I just drop dead too. Long slow deaths are horrible and so common. Talk about traumatic for everyone (pretty sure they will both be all over doctor assisted suicide if needed, but right now Canada has a lot of work to do to make that law adequate. Right now it still necessitates suffering. Just not quite as much suffering).