PJ show w/an infant - for those that have brought one, and for those who sat near someone who did

JimmyV

PB11041 said:

The biggest problem I see, is you really don't have a place where you can safely and comfortably be in your own space.  If there were GA at Fenway, you could just hang back near the far barrier near the board or something and despite some overzealous people here flogging you about parenting skills, you would be fine if you take all the steps to protect the ears.  But that is not the way Fenway is set up.

Not if you want to see the stage. If you are willing to only hear the show there are such spaces in the concourse underneath the grandstand/bleachers and on Yawkey Way.

PP193448

An infant at a PJ should is not advised.  Older kids at the parents discretion, but if they are gonna be cranky up late and sleep through it, just leave them home with a sitter.  I agree with Paul.

2-feign-reluctance

mindyjohnson said:

mwplum said:

mindyjohnson said:

I've been a public school teacher for over 20 years now and can tell some truly sad and nearly unfathomable stories about bad parenting.  Not surprised by this thread at all, just disappointed and disheartened to read that anyone would do this or even consider doing it.  Good parents always put their children first...bringing a small child/infant to a rock show is the antithesis of good parenting. Period.  I see no argument in which an infant benefits from attending a rock show. 
Obviously can't stop you from bringing your infant, but if I saw you with your infant at the show, I wouldn't be shy in letting you know my opinion.  Find someone to watch your kid and go and enjoy the adult entertainment with other adults...adult language, adult activities etc.  No place for small children at all.  Wise up.  Can't believe anyone would even consider this.  Unreal.

Bahaha, I'm really glad I started this thread it is really brings out some heated opinions!

My favourite was this person. Psssht, I'm glad I was never in one of your classes! You would have probably smacked me with a ruler and told me to WISE UP! I probably would have been so traumatized I would have dropped out from school.

I think its a bit of a stretch to infer that someone is a bad parent or that they don't put their kid's interests first, just because they consider taking their kids to a concert. When I found out we were having our first child, I not only quit drinking, but even walked away from a six-figure salary working as a downtown lawyer just so that I could be present for the birth of our child and to take the burden off of my wife during the first few months of his life. I went back to work when he was 4 months old, and have continued to make him the #1 priority in my life, so gfy lady!

Sounds like some of you who have actually brought your kids had great experiences. And like the one poster said, they really are like a backpack as an infant. He wouldn't be running up and down the aisles. One thing I forgot to consider was the fact that the Fenway floor will be seated. In my mind, I was thinking of Wrigley. At the 2 shows in 2016, more than half of the floor was empty, so my thought was put him in the baby bjorn (baby backpack), and watch the show towards the back rail. With the right ear protection, he wouldn't be exposed to loud sounds, he would be facing my chest (so little if any flashing lights), smoke and drunks would be the only worry, but could always walk away from people/smoke if they were close (as I do normally anyways). But who knows, maybe I'll just bring my mother-in-law to watch over him. Like someone had mentioned, it was more about if we were going to attend the show, that we wouldn't want to leave him with a unknown babysitter in a foreign city, and the connection to the 2016 show with the dedication to his grandfather.

Anyways, thanks for the supportive comments and those with constructive criticism too. Not a fan of the judgemental ones like mindyjohnson, but they sure made me laugh.

The difference between you and I? I would never even consider doing something that would be detrimental to any child, much less my own. Call it whatever you want, but my opinion on this is not incorrect. Call Child Protective Services and ask them if you should do this if you actually believe you are making the right choice. You already know what they'd say.
It's dumbfounding that an attorney, obviously one who is well educated, would ever remotely consider doing this, but hey, we live in a world now in which virtually anything goes and is seen as acceptable behavior (think Trump) so I really shouldn't be surprised.

As a mandated reporter and former child therapist - you would be wasting CPS's time with a call like that. 

dankind

CM189191 said:

mindyjohnson said:

mwplum said:

mindyjohnson said:

I've been a public school teacher for over 20 years now and can tell some truly sad and nearly unfathomable stories about bad parenting.  Not surprised by this thread at all, just disappointed and disheartened to read that anyone would do this or even consider doing it.  Good parents always put their children first...bringing a small child/infant to a rock show is the antithesis of good parenting. Period.  I see no argument in which an infant benefits from attending a rock show. 
Obviously can't stop you from bringing your infant, but if I saw you with your infant at the show, I wouldn't be shy in letting you know my opinion.  Find someone to watch your kid and go and enjoy the adult entertainment with other adults...adult language, adult activities etc.  No place for small children at all.  Wise up.  Can't believe anyone would even consider this.  Unreal.

Bahaha, I'm really glad I started this thread it is really brings out some heated opinions!

My favourite was this person. Psssht, I'm glad I was never in one of your classes! You would have probably smacked me with a ruler and told me to WISE UP! I probably would have been so traumatized I would have dropped out from school.

I think its a bit of a stretch to infer that someone is a bad parent or that they don't put their kid's interests first, just because they consider taking their kids to a concert. When I found out we were having our first child, I not only quit drinking, but even walked away from a six-figure salary working as a downtown lawyer just so that I could be present for the birth of our child and to take the burden off of my wife during the first few months of his life. I went back to work when he was 4 months old, and have continued to make him the #1 priority in my life, so gfy lady!

Sounds like some of you who have actually brought your kids had great experiences. And like the one poster said, they really are like a backpack as an infant. He wouldn't be running up and down the aisles. One thing I forgot to consider was the fact that the Fenway floor will be seated. In my mind, I was thinking of Wrigley. At the 2 shows in 2016, more than half of the floor was empty, so my thought was put him in the baby bjorn (baby backpack), and watch the show towards the back rail. With the right ear protection, he wouldn't be exposed to loud sounds, he would be facing my chest (so little if any flashing lights), smoke and drunks would be the only worry, but could always walk away from people/smoke if they were close (as I do normally anyways). But who knows, maybe I'll just bring my mother-in-law to watch over him. Like someone had mentioned, it was more about if we were going to attend the show, that we wouldn't want to leave him with a unknown babysitter in a foreign city, and the connection to the 2016 show with the dedication to his grandfather.

Anyways, thanks for the supportive comments and those with constructive criticism too. Not a fan of the judgemental ones like mindyjohnson, but they sure made me laugh.

The difference between you and I? I would never even consider doing something that would be detrimental to any child, much less my own. Call it whatever you want, but my opinion on this is not incorrect. Call Child Protective Services and ask them if you should do this if you actually believe you are making the right choice. You already know what they'd say.
It's dumbfounding that an attorney, obviously one who is well educated, would ever remotely consider doing this, but hey, we live in a world now in which virtually anything goes and is seen as acceptable behavior (think Trump) so I really shouldn't be surprised.

*between you and ME

I'm guessing that Ms. Johnson is not an English teacher.

THEBIBLEISTEN

Let’s look at another scenario-Would you bring your 90 year old mother to a Rave or to Quiet Riot concert? 

F Me In The Brain

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Let’s look at another scenario-Would you bring your 90 year old mother to a Rave or to Quiet Riot concert? 

My grandma drank me under the table as an 86 year old.  I was 21 and in near peak drinking shape...never underestimate some old timers! 


That said...she did just sit at a table and stay there most of the night.  She was a rare fucking bird, that one.

PP193448

dankind said:

CM189191 said:

mindyjohnson said:

mwplum said:

mindyjohnson said:

I've been a public school teacher for over 20 years now and can tell some truly sad and nearly unfathomable stories about bad parenting.  Not surprised by this thread at all, just disappointed and disheartened to read that anyone would do this or even consider doing it.  Good parents always put their children first...bringing a small child/infant to a rock show is the antithesis of good parenting. Period.  I see no argument in which an infant benefits from attending a rock show. 
Obviously can't stop you from bringing your infant, but if I saw you with your infant at the show, I wouldn't be shy in letting you know my opinion.  Find someone to watch your kid and go and enjoy the adult entertainment with other adults...adult language, adult activities etc.  No place for small children at all.  Wise up.  Can't believe anyone would even consider this.  Unreal.

Bahaha, I'm really glad I started this thread it is really brings out some heated opinions!

My favourite was this person. Psssht, I'm glad I was never in one of your classes! You would have probably smacked me with a ruler and told me to WISE UP! I probably would have been so traumatized I would have dropped out from school.

I think its a bit of a stretch to infer that someone is a bad parent or that they don't put their kid's interests first, just because they consider taking their kids to a concert. When I found out we were having our first child, I not only quit drinking, but even walked away from a six-figure salary working as a downtown lawyer just so that I could be present for the birth of our child and to take the burden off of my wife during the first few months of his life. I went back to work when he was 4 months old, and have continued to make him the #1 priority in my life, so gfy lady!

Sounds like some of you who have actually brought your kids had great experiences. And like the one poster said, they really are like a backpack as an infant. He wouldn't be running up and down the aisles. One thing I forgot to consider was the fact that the Fenway floor will be seated. In my mind, I was thinking of Wrigley. At the 2 shows in 2016, more than half of the floor was empty, so my thought was put him in the baby bjorn (baby backpack), and watch the show towards the back rail. With the right ear protection, he wouldn't be exposed to loud sounds, he would be facing my chest (so little if any flashing lights), smoke and drunks would be the only worry, but could always walk away from people/smoke if they were close (as I do normally anyways). But who knows, maybe I'll just bring my mother-in-law to watch over him. Like someone had mentioned, it was more about if we were going to attend the show, that we wouldn't want to leave him with a unknown babysitter in a foreign city, and the connection to the 2016 show with the dedication to his grandfather.

Anyways, thanks for the supportive comments and those with constructive criticism too. Not a fan of the judgemental ones like mindyjohnson, but they sure made me laugh.

The difference between you and I? I would never even consider doing something that would be detrimental to any child, much less my own. Call it whatever you want, but my opinion on this is not incorrect. Call Child Protective Services and ask them if you should do this if you actually believe you are making the right choice. You already know what they'd say.
It's dumbfounding that an attorney, obviously one who is well educated, would ever remotely consider doing this, but hey, we live in a world now in which virtually anything goes and is seen as acceptable behavior (think Trump) so I really shouldn't be surprised.

*between you and ME

I'm guessing that Ms. Johnson is not an English teacher.

I would say say something like, oh I can’t believe you went there with that comment... but I already know that Dan lives there...

HughFreakingDillon

mindyjohnson said:

I've been a public school teacher for over 20 years now and can tell some truly sad and nearly unfathomable stories about bad parenting.  Not surprised by this thread at all, just disappointed and disheartened to read that anyone would do this or even consider doing it.  Good parents always put their children first...bringing a small child/infant to a rock show is the antithesis of good parenting. Period.  I see no argument in which an infant benefits from attending a rock show. 
Obviously can't stop you from bringing your infant, but if I saw you with your infant at the show, I wouldn't be shy in letting you know my opinion.  Find someone to watch your kid and go and enjoy the adult entertainment with other adults...adult language, adult activities etc.  No place for small children at all.  Wise up.  Can't believe anyone would even consider this.  Unreal.

well, mindy knows all folks! no discussion to be had! 

mwplum

Haha, mindyjohnson you easily confuse the contemplation of doing something with actually doing it. Firstly, we're talking about a PJ show here, which in my experience is typically comprised of well educated, polite, and considerate middle aged people. Of course you're going to get the odd idiot in any crowd, but I'd say amongst the Pearl Jam fan base the proportion of said idiots is much less than an average crowd. A PJ show in 2018 is not the same as it was in 1992, nor is it a circle-mosh punk show or a sweaty drug-fuelled EDM show.

I stared this thread nine months in advance of the shows to get some feedback for contemplation because:
a) I wanted to put my child's interests first - and see if anyone had brought an infant with success and/or failure; and
b) because I wanted to be considerate of other fans around us if we were to bring our little guy - to see if anyone has had their concert experience negatively affected by a young one.

If you called child services, you would be wasting their time. The lynchpin that got me to quit drinking was the fact that we were having a child. I have been present, alert, and attentive for every moment of his life. I was there for the 17 hours of labour and actually caught him when he came into this world (yes, the hospital let me do that). I slept on the floor in the hospital for the first five days while he was treated for jaundice. As previously mentioned, I was there for every moment of his first four months, and now that I'm back at work, I am here in the morning to hug him and say goodbye, and when the work day is over I rush home to relieve my wife and we play for a few hours before giving him his nightly bath and put him to sleep. Weekends are spent entirely at home, or on family outings. All of that to say, you may want to consider that you don't have all the facts before lashing out in such a harsh and judgemental way.

Vedd Hedd

as a parent of 2 kids, there is no way I would consider taking an 18 month old to a concert.   
1.  Its a night time event, and in most cases, you wont be getting home until 11:30 Pm at the earliest, most likely even later than that. 
2. Its attended by 40K people, many of whom are drinking, or other things.  
3. While an 18 month old can enjoy music....3 hours of loud, dark and scary are a different story.  

My daughter as gone to 2 concerts, and she has genuinely enjoyed them.   But she is 8 years old.  She can walk, she knows the songs by heart, she is used to staying up later every once in a while.  I dont have to carry her around, or change her diapers, or worry she is going deaf, cause she had earplugs. 

HughFreakingDillon

mwplum said:

Haha, mindyjohnson you easily confuse the contemplation of doing something with actually doing it. Firstly, we're talking about a PJ show here, which in my experience is typically comprised of well educated, polite, and considerate middle aged people. Of course you're going to get the odd idiot in any crowd, but I'd say amongst the Pearl Jam fan base the proportion of said idiots is much less than an average crowd. A PJ show in 2018 is not the same as it was in 1992, nor is it a circle-mosh punk show or a sweaty drug-fuelled EDM show.

I stared this thread nine months in advance of the shows to get some feedback for contemplation because:
a) I wanted to put my child's interests first - and see if anyone had brought an infant with success and/or failure; and
b) because I wanted to be considerate of other fans around us if we were to bring our little guy - to see if anyone has had their concert experience negatively affected by a young one.

If you called child services, you would be wasting their time. The lynchpin that got me to quit drinking was the fact that we were having a child. I have been present, alert, and attentive for every moment of his life. I was there for the 17 hours of labour and actually caught him when he came into this world (yes, the hospital let me do that). I slept on the floor in the hospital for the first five days while he was treated for jaundice. As previously mentioned, I was there for every moment of his first four months, and now that I'm back at work, I am here in the morning to hug him and say goodbye, and when the work day is over I rush home to relieve my wife and we play for a few hours before giving him his nightly bath and put him to sleep. Weekends are spent entirely at home, or on family outings. All of that to say, you may want to consider that you don't have all the facts before lashing out in such a harsh and judgemental way.

:clap:

mace1229

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

CM189191 said:

stay off planes too, thx!

I second third and fourth this. Parents, keep your whinny loud crying kids off the airplanes, take a bus or drive. Next crying kid who kicks my seat on a airplane is gunna get an eye roll from me. I mean it. Whose with me?

I always complain to the flight attendant when I get stuck next to a baby. Seems to happy every time I fly.
The dirty look I get from my wife when she's holding our baby is totally worth it though.

HughFreakingDillon

Vedd Hedd said:

as a parent of 2 kids, there is no way I would consider taking an 18 month old to a concert.   
1.  Its a night time event, and in most cases, you wont be getting home until 11:30 Pm at the earliest, most likely even later than that. 
2. Its attended by 40K people, many of whom are drinking, or other things.  
3. While an 18 month old can enjoy music....3 hours of loud, dark and scary are a different story.  

My daughter as gone to 2 concerts, and she has genuinely enjoyed them.   But she is 8 years old.  She can walk, she knows the songs by heart, she is used to staying up later every once in a while.  I dont have to carry her around, or change her diapers, or worry she is going deaf, cause she had earplugs. 

you do recall that at 18 months they don't have the same sleeping schedule as a 5 year old, right? this is what boggles my mind, that people think because you have a baby that you need to be home by a certain time. that's true for kids who are older and have stopped napping and whatnot, but the time from birth to about 2 years old my wife and I didn't have many limits on how late we'd stay out. our kids would sleep in their car seat if need be, and easily transferred to their crib when we got home, or if they were up, fine. 

an 18 month old kid has zero clue what drinking or "other things" is. I was more concerned about bringing my 8 year old to weezer for that reason than I would be an infant/toddler. 

rick1zoo2

mace1229 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

CM189191 said:

stay off planes too, thx!

I second third and fourth this. Parents, keep your whinny loud crying kids off the airplanes, take a bus or drive. Next crying kid who kicks my seat on a airplane is gunna get an eye roll from me. I mean it. Whose with me?

I always complain to the flight attendant when I get stuck next to a baby. Seems to happy every time I fly.
The dirty look I get from my wife when she's holding our baby is totally worth it though.

ha!

JimmyV

mace1229 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

CM189191 said:

stay off planes too, thx!

I second third and fourth this. Parents, keep your whinny loud crying kids off the airplanes, take a bus or drive. Next crying kid who kicks my seat on a airplane is gunna get an eye roll from me. I mean it. Whose with me?

I always complain to the flight attendant when I get stuck next to a baby. Seems to happy every time I fly.
The dirty look I get from my wife when she's holding our baby is totally worth it though.

NM70698

given2fly23 said:

I've seen a lot of it lately at PJ shows and always think it must be traumatizing for the child, even with ear protection.  Dark, lights flashing, and loud thumping noises that they dont understand. 

Excellent points and well said. 

lexicondevil

CountingSteps said:

Please don't. I think anyone doing this is just being selfish and disrespectful with the child and everyone around him/her.

HughFreakingDillon

NM70698 said:

given2fly23 said:

I've seen a lot of it lately at PJ shows and always think it must be traumatizing for the child, even with ear protection.  Dark, lights flashing, and loud thumping noises that they dont understand. 

Excellent points and well said. 

it's no different than brining your baby to the Mom and Me movies that movie theatres have some afternoons. darkness, loud noises, flashing lights. And yet, it's ENCOURAGED so parents can get out of the house for some entertainment on their own without judgment. imagine that. 

JimmyV

HughFreakingDillon said:

NM70698 said:

given2fly23 said:

I've seen a lot of it lately at PJ shows and always think it must be traumatizing for the child, even with ear protection.  Dark, lights flashing, and loud thumping noises that they dont understand. 

Excellent points and well said. 

it's no different than brining your baby to the Mom and Me movies that movie theatres have some afternoons. darkness, loud noises, flashing lights. And yet, it's ENCOURAGED so parents can get out of the house for some entertainment on their own without judgment. imagine that. 

Except no one at the movie theater is getting drunk, smoking pot, dropping whatever else, bumping people while they dance, etc.

mace1229

The movie theater is different. My assumption was that those were encouraged so that anyone with a crying baby goes to that show and doesn't disrupt other showings. And if you go to that show you know what you;re getting into, so dont complain about any babies.