Baseball Hall of Fame 2018

tempo_n_groove

mcgruff10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Home runs aside, Sammy Sosa an Mark McGwire should be in for the simple fact that they saved baseball in the 90s.

I remember watching pearl jam on stage in east rutherford, nj in '98 and that moment ed heard that mcgwire has broken the record...such a cool moment.

I watched it on ESPN.  What a run he had leading up to it.  He and Sosa were tit for tat every day it seemed like.

HesCalledDyer

mcgruff10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Home runs aside, Sammy Sosa an Mark McGwire should be in for the simple fact that they saved baseball in the 90s.

I remember watching pearl jam on stage in east rutherford, nj in '98 and that moment ed heard that mcgwire has broken the record...such a cool moment.

And he hit it against the Cubs, too.  What better way than to have both men on the field when it happened. I remember watching the game when it happened. Sammy hesitated for a moment, but ran in to greet Big Mac at home plate.  That was such a cool race. I kinda figured McGwire would get there first, but Sosa pulled close and had a chance.

Degeneratefk

HesCalledDyer said:

mcgruff10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Home runs aside, Sammy Sosa an Mark McGwire should be in for the simple fact that they saved baseball in the 90s.

I remember watching pearl jam on stage in east rutherford, nj in '98 and that moment ed heard that mcgwire has broken the record...such a cool moment.

And he hit it against the Cubs, too.  What better way than to have both men on the field when it happened. I remember watching the game when it happened. Sammy hesitated for a moment, but ran in to greet Big Mac at home plate.  That was such a cool race. I kinda figured McGwire would get there first, but Sosa pulled close and had a chance.

I remember thinking at the time, "what a cheap homerun," but fuck that was still one hell of a summer. Sosa looked like a scared kid going up to McGuire after he broke the record. I loved it. And so did America. Most fans are hypocrites that say they weren't caught up in it knowing full well that they ALL were juiced. 

Bottom line, if you hit 600 homeruns, you're a hall of famer.

tempo_n_groove

Degeneratefk said:

HesCalledDyer said:

mcgruff10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Home runs aside, Sammy Sosa an Mark McGwire should be in for the simple fact that they saved baseball in the 90s.

I remember watching pearl jam on stage in east rutherford, nj in '98 and that moment ed heard that mcgwire has broken the record...such a cool moment.

And he hit it against the Cubs, too.  What better way than to have both men on the field when it happened. I remember watching the game when it happened. Sammy hesitated for a moment, but ran in to greet Big Mac at home plate.  That was such a cool race. I kinda figured McGwire would get there first, but Sosa pulled close and had a chance.

I remember thinking at the time, "what a cheap homerun," but fuck that was still one hell of a summer. Sosa looked like a scared kid going up to McGuire after he broke the record. I loved it. And so did America. Most fans are hypocrites that say they weren't caught up in it knowing full well that they ALL were juiced. 

Bottom line, if you hit 600 homeruns, you're a hall of famer.

Sammy Sosa did something that I will never forget and it's tattooed in my brain.

When baseball finally came back after the 9/11 attacks he came running on the field with a tiny american flag held up in the air.  The crowd went nuts.  

He then hit a homer and ran the bases with the flag too.

Very powerful moment in time.
https://247sports.com/Bolt/Watch-Relive-Sammy-Sosas-emotional-911-tribute-at-Cubs-game-107310723

igotid88

Sosa also used a corked bat

HesCalledDyer

tempo_n_groove said:

Degeneratefk said:

HesCalledDyer said:

mcgruff10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Home runs aside, Sammy Sosa an Mark McGwire should be in for the simple fact that they saved baseball in the 90s.

I remember watching pearl jam on stage in east rutherford, nj in '98 and that moment ed heard that mcgwire has broken the record...such a cool moment.

And he hit it against the Cubs, too.  What better way than to have both men on the field when it happened. I remember watching the game when it happened. Sammy hesitated for a moment, but ran in to greet Big Mac at home plate.  That was such a cool race. I kinda figured McGwire would get there first, but Sosa pulled close and had a chance.

I remember thinking at the time, "what a cheap homerun," but fuck that was still one hell of a summer. Sosa looked like a scared kid going up to McGuire after he broke the record. I loved it. And so did America. Most fans are hypocrites that say they weren't caught up in it knowing full well that they ALL were juiced. 

Bottom line, if you hit 600 homeruns, you're a hall of famer.

Sammy Sosa did something that I will never forget and it's tattooed in my brain.

When baseball finally came back after the 9/11 attacks he came running on the field with a tiny american flag held up in the air.  The crowd went nuts.  

He then hit a homer and ran the bases with the flag too.

Very powerful moment in time.
https://247sports.com/Bolt/Watch-Relive-Sammy-Sosas-emotional-911-tribute-at-Cubs-game-107310723

"And he's got Old Glory, too!"  I'll never forget that call!

One of the coolest moments I've ever seen.

PRL1JAM

igotid88 said:

Sosa also used a corked bat

I was just listening to the 2003 Vegas PJ boot and Ed mentions something in regards to Sammy Sosa getting caught using a corked bat. Apparently that Vegas 2003 show was just days after Sosa got caught using the corked bat. That time his bat exploded with cork couldn't have been the first time he used that bat, it was just the first time he got caught. So this 600 HR is a HOF lock is a joke when it comes to this guy

Wobbie

PRL1JAM said:

igotid88 said:

Sosa also used a corked bat

I was just listening to the 2003 Vegas PJ boot and Ed mentions something in regards to Sammy Sosa getting caught using a corked bat. Apparently that Vegas 2003 show was just days after Sosa got caught using the corked bat. That time his bat exploded with cork couldn't have been the first time he used that bat, it was just the first time he got caught. So this 600 HR is a HOF lock is a joke when it comes to this guy

yeah, I was there. I booed loudly. fuck sammy sosa.

HesCalledDyer

PRL1JAM said:

igotid88 said:

Sosa also used a corked bat

I was just listening to the 2003 Vegas PJ boot and Ed mentions something in regards to Sammy Sosa getting caught using a corked bat. Apparently that Vegas 2003 show was just days after Sosa got caught using the corked bat. That time his bat exploded with cork couldn't have been the first time he used that bat, it was just the first time he got caught. So this 600 HR is a HOF lock is a joke when it comes to this guy

"The league tested 76 of Sosa’s bats right after the incident, including five of his bats on display at the HOF…not a single shred of cork appeared."

You guys are just salty.

tempo_n_groove

Anybody going to the Jack White show at omnegang?  If so want to do a BBHOF trip too?

DewieCox

The league was still sweeping stuff under the rug at thet point. Wouldn’t put much stock in the investigation.

HesCalledDyer

Now you're just saying things to fit the argument.

DewieCox

Fair enough, but what are the chances they was the only corked bst

How about he just wasn’t good enough to be in the HoF.

tempo_n_groove

DewieCox said:

Fair enough, but what are the chances they was the only corked bst

How about he just wasn’t good enough to be in the HoF.

Again, Sosa was a 30/30 guy before he started juicing.  During that time that was huge.

Degeneratefk

DewieCox said:

Fair enough, but what are the chances they was the only corked bst

How about he just wasn’t good enough to be in the HoF.

Why wouldn't it be his only corked bat? Sosa said it was a batting practice bat he used during pregame cage hitting for the fans. All of his bats were checked and cleared. It just seems like you are arguing just to argue. Tempo and groove makes a valid point. Sosa was a 30/30 guy before be juiced. Assuming he continued that pace for 10 years, he wouldn't have 600 homeruns, but could still have hall of fame type numbers. 

PRL1JAM

30/30 makes him a hall of famer? So Canseco should be in too for doing 40/40?

PRL1JAM

you telling me the one time Sosa's bat shatters is the one and only time he used that bat? In other words, he never once used a cork bat, he reluctantly decides to try it one day. The day he tries it, the bat just happens to shatter. He never used one before, and he never used one after that. Sure thing. Thanks for the laugh

PRL1JAM

there can't possibly be individuals in here who think Sosa should be in the Hall but not Bonds, right? I keep hearing the argument in regards to Sammy being good before he juiced. Well so was Bonds, and Barry and Sammy should never even be compared as far as talent goes. So I don't mind those who are proponents of Sosa. But hopefully there isn't anyone ignorant enough to say Sammy should be in, but they don't think Barry deserves it. Especially if their main argument is, "he was good before he touched the juice".  

tempo_n_groove

PRL1JAM said:

30/30 makes him a hall of famer? So Canseco should be in too for doing 40/40?

Cmon really?!?

he was doing it for multiple seasons before juicing so if he maintained that pace he would have good enough numbers to enter the hall. 

PRL1JAM

tempo_n_groove said:

PRL1JAM said:

30/30 makes him a hall of famer? So Canseco should be in too for doing 40/40?

Cmon really?!?

he was doing it for multiple seasons before juicing so if he maintained that pace he would have good enough numbers to enter the h

Fair enough. I just want to know if you feel the same way about ALL the players who were good before they supposedly juiced. Guys like Bonds, Clemens, Arod, etc. Since they had Hall of Fame numbers prior to the roids, do you think they should get in, too? I ask because I actually do think Bonds, Clemens, and Arod deserve to get in someday.