I don't believe in God

Annafalk

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

Absolutely not, if that God operates in this reality.
Why would I want a wantonly malicious and supremely vain deity sitting in the sky like a child with a magnifier over an ant hill.
Why would anyone want to believe that there is an omnipotent being that sits back and watches the Holocaust unfold? 
Fuck that!

It often comes back to this question about how god can allow suffering. If we would say that there is no god, wouldn’t there still be suffering? It would probably still be suffering but there would be no one to turn to, no comfort to get.  I prefer believing in god  just because it feels better. 

PJ_Soul

Geez, if I believed in God I'd blame all the suffering on him and hate him, and feel worse, lol. I don't get why God can cause all the suffering (and I mean the kind that has nothing to do with free will, which is a LOT of suffering), but then also be looked to for comfort to relieve the bad emotions attached to that very same suffering. I'm not sure how that is comforting to people.

Annafalk

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

not if he watches me take a dump every morning

Off course, I understand

rgambs

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

Absolutely not, if that God operates in this reality.
Why would I want a wantonly malicious and supremely vain deity sitting in the sky like a child with a magnifier over an ant hill.
Why would anyone want to believe that there is an omnipotent being that sits back and watches the Holocaust unfold? 
Fuck that!

It often comes back to this question about how god can allow suffering. If we would say that there is no god, wouldn’t there still be suffering? It would probably still be suffering but there would be no one to turn to, no comfort to get.  I prefer believing in god  just because it feels better. 

I'm with Pj_Soul, if I believed there was a God who could stop children from starving and being raped, but chose not to for no good reason, I would hate that God for being such a dick.

Annafalk

Kev - Coat and Keys said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

It would have to be a better one than the one I don't think we have currently - a less suffering based one would be cool.

But I am cool with my mistakes being mine I don't need any pre-determinism.

I agree about less suffering, but I think we humans are the ones making most of the suffering...we should do more to lessen it.

Gern Blansten

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

Absolutely not, if that God operates in this reality.
Why would I want a wantonly malicious and supremely vain deity sitting in the sky like a child with a magnifier over an ant hill.
Why would anyone want to believe that there is an omnipotent being that sits back and watches the Holocaust unfold? 
Fuck that!

It often comes back to this question about how god can allow suffering. If we would say that there is no god, wouldn’t there still be suffering? It would probably still be suffering but there would be no one to turn to, no comfort to get.  I prefer believing in god  just because it feels better. 

I'm with Pj_Soul, if I believed there was a God who could stop children from starving and being raped, but chose not to for no good reason, I would hate that God for being such a dick.

Yeah that's where I'm at.

If god is all powerful and does nothing to end suffering then that isn't a god I'm interested in paying much attention to.

PJ_Soul

Annafalk said:

Kev - Coat and Keys said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

It would have to be a better one than the one I don't think we have currently - a less suffering based one would be cool.

But I am cool with my mistakes being mine I don't need any pre-determinism.

I agree about less suffering, but I think we humans are the ones making most of the suffering...we should do more to lessen it.

Tell that to the victims of the Tsunami in 2004 or the kids who starve to death in Africa because of drought or the Haitians who died of dehydration while trapped under a building after the earthquake. Or to all the people who die of all the many deadly diseases. Or to all the people who die a slow, miserable death just because of old age. I totally disagree that humans make most of the suffering in this world. Yes, of course humans do create their own horrors way too much, but Nature (or God, if you believe in that kind of thing) still causes by far the most suffering in this world.

Annafalk

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

Absolutely not, if that God operates in this reality.
Why would I want a wantonly malicious and supremely vain deity sitting in the sky like a child with a magnifier over an ant hill.
Why would anyone want to believe that there is an omnipotent being that sits back and watches the Holocaust unfold? 
Fuck that!

It often comes back to this question about how god can allow suffering. If we would say that there is no god, wouldn’t there still be suffering? It would probably still be suffering but there would be no one to turn to, no comfort to get.  I prefer believing in god  just because it feels better. 

I'm with Pj_Soul, if I believed there was a God who could stop children from starving and being raped, but chose not to for no good reason, I would hate that God for being such a dick.

Yeah that's where I'm at.

If god is all powerful and does nothing to end suffering then that isn't a god I'm interested in paying much attention to.

Believe me I hate that too, evil humans.

Gern Blansten

Annafalk said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

Absolutely not, if that God operates in this reality.
Why would I want a wantonly malicious and supremely vain deity sitting in the sky like a child with a magnifier over an ant hill.
Why would anyone want to believe that there is an omnipotent being that sits back and watches the Holocaust unfold? 
Fuck that!

It often comes back to this question about how god can allow suffering. If we would say that there is no god, wouldn’t there still be suffering? It would probably still be suffering but there would be no one to turn to, no comfort to get.  I prefer believing in god  just because it feels better. 

I'm with Pj_Soul, if I believed there was a God who could stop children from starving and being raped, but chose not to for no good reason, I would hate that God for being such a dick.

Yeah that's where I'm at.

If god is all powerful and does nothing to end suffering then that isn't a god I'm interested in paying much attention to.

Believe me I hate that too, evil humans.

right....humans that are more powerful than god. 

PJ_Soul

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

Absolutely not, if that God operates in this reality.
Why would I want a wantonly malicious and supremely vain deity sitting in the sky like a child with a magnifier over an ant hill.
Why would anyone want to believe that there is an omnipotent being that sits back and watches the Holocaust unfold? 
Fuck that!

It often comes back to this question about how god can allow suffering. If we would say that there is no god, wouldn’t there still be suffering? It would probably still be suffering but there would be no one to turn to, no comfort to get.  I prefer believing in god  just because it feels better. 

I'm with Pj_Soul, if I believed there was a God who could stop children from starving and being raped, but chose not to for no good reason, I would hate that God for being such a dick.

Yeah that's where I'm at.

If god is all powerful and does nothing to end suffering then that isn't a god I'm interested in paying much attention to.

Believe me I hate that too, evil humans.

right....humans that are more powerful than god. 

Religion beats your very logical argument with the whole free will argument. God won't stop people from harming others because he prefers to sit back and let them choose to do that, because humans have to choose to be good. It is a clever argument, because it will always and forever "explain" the problem of the horrors brought on people even though God has the power to stop it, and it actually sets God up as the giver of our own ability to make decisions (not matter how much it hurts others), which apparently we're supposed to really, really appreciate.

Annafalk

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

Absolutely not, if that God operates in this reality.
Why would I want a wantonly malicious and supremely vain deity sitting in the sky like a child with a magnifier over an ant hill.
Why would anyone want to believe that there is an omnipotent being that sits back and watches the Holocaust unfold? 
Fuck that!

It often comes back to this question about how god can allow suffering. If we would say that there is no god, wouldn’t there still be suffering? It would probably still be suffering but there would be no one to turn to, no comfort to get.  I prefer believing in god  just because it feels better. 

I'm with Pj_Soul, if I believed there was a God who could stop children from starving and being raped, but chose not to for no good reason, I would hate that God for being such a dick.

Yeah that's where I'm at.

If god is all powerful and does nothing to end suffering then that isn't a god I'm interested in paying much attention to.

Believe me I hate that too, evil humans.

right....humans that are more powerful than god. 

We humans are the ones that have to do something it’s our responsibility.

rgambs

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

Absolutely not, if that God operates in this reality.
Why would I want a wantonly malicious and supremely vain deity sitting in the sky like a child with a magnifier over an ant hill.
Why would anyone want to believe that there is an omnipotent being that sits back and watches the Holocaust unfold? 
Fuck that!

It often comes back to this question about how god can allow suffering. If we would say that there is no god, wouldn’t there still be suffering? It would probably still be suffering but there would be no one to turn to, no comfort to get.  I prefer believing in god  just because it feels better. 

I'm with Pj_Soul, if I believed there was a God who could stop children from starving and being raped, but chose not to for no good reason, I would hate that God for being such a dick.

Yeah that's where I'm at.

If god is all powerful and does nothing to end suffering then that isn't a god I'm interested in paying much attention to.

Believe me I hate that too, evil humans.

right....humans that are more powerful than god. 

Religion beats your very logical argument with the whole free will argument. God won't stop people from harming others because he prefers to sit back and let them choose to do that, because humans have to choose to be good. It is a clever argument, because it will always and forever "explain" the problem of the horrors brought on people even though God has the power to stop it, and it actually sets God up as the giver of our own ability to make decisions (not matter how much it hurts others), which apparently we're supposed to really, really appreciate.

Except that if God was a little smarter He would give us free will and then punish us directly and immediately for our sins.
Rape a kid? 
Straight to hell.  None of this bullshit hanging around raping more kids.
Start a war? 
Straight to hell.

Easy tweak, damn, I must be smarter than God.

dankind

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

Kev - Coat and Keys said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

It would have to be a better one than the one I don't think we have currently - a less suffering based one would be cool.

But I am cool with my mistakes being mine I don't need any pre-determinism.

I agree about less suffering, but I think we humans are the ones making most of the suffering...we should do more to lessen it.

Tell that to the victims of the Tsunami in 2004 or the kids who starve to death in Africa because of drought or the Haitians who died of hydration while trapped under a building after the earthquake. Or to all the people who die of all the many deadly diseases. Or to all the people who die a slow, miserable death just because of old age. I totally disagree that humans make most of the suffering in this world. Yes, of course humans do create their own horrors way too much, but Nature (or God, if you believe in that kind of thing) still causes by far the most suffering in this world.

It could be argued that your first couple of examples were/are caused by humans.

rgambs

Annafalk said:

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

Absolutely not, if that God operates in this reality.
Why would I want a wantonly malicious and supremely vain deity sitting in the sky like a child with a magnifier over an ant hill.
Why would anyone want to believe that there is an omnipotent being that sits back and watches the Holocaust unfold? 
Fuck that!

It often comes back to this question about how god can allow suffering. If we would say that there is no god, wouldn’t there still be suffering? It would probably still be suffering but there would be no one to turn to, no comfort to get.  I prefer believing in god  just because it feels better. 

I'm with Pj_Soul, if I believed there was a God who could stop children from starving and being raped, but chose not to for no good reason, I would hate that God for being such a dick.

Yeah that's where I'm at.

If god is all powerful and does nothing to end suffering then that isn't a god I'm interested in paying much attention to.

Believe me I hate that too, evil humans.

right....humans that are more powerful than god. 

We humans are the ones that have to do something it’s our responsibility.

That is baloney in the first degree for a host of reasons.

HesCalledDyer

WHEREAS, the universe exists and,
WHEREAS, the creator of the universe is "God" and,
WHEREAS, everything must have a creator,
THEREIN, what created "God"?

tbergs

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

Absolutely not, if that God operates in this reality.
Why would I want a wantonly malicious and supremely vain deity sitting in the sky like a child with a magnifier over an ant hill.
Why would anyone want to believe that there is an omnipotent being that sits back and watches the Holocaust unfold? 
Fuck that!

It often comes back to this question about how god can allow suffering. If we would say that there is no god, wouldn’t there still be suffering? It would probably still be suffering but there would be no one to turn to, no comfort to get.  I prefer believing in god  just because it feels better. 

I'm with Pj_Soul, if I believed there was a God who could stop children from starving and being raped, but chose not to for no good reason, I would hate that God for being such a dick.

Yeah that's where I'm at.

If god is all powerful and does nothing to end suffering then that isn't a god I'm interested in paying much attention to.

Believe me I hate that too, evil humans.

right....humans that are more powerful than god. 

But how could a God take away our every way of evil? We have free will. What would we even be able to do freely if a God intervened? I don't think it's so easy to say that if there is a God they are spiteful to allow suffering. If you take the God concept as truth, then you recognize that the ability to create and control are different pieces of the puzzle. I guess we shouldn't procreate because our children may be the next mass murderer. We know the risks, but do so anyway.

PJ_Soul

dankind said:

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

Kev - Coat and Keys said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

It would have to be a better one than the one I don't think we have currently - a less suffering based one would be cool.

But I am cool with my mistakes being mine I don't need any pre-determinism.

I agree about less suffering, but I think we humans are the ones making most of the suffering...we should do more to lessen it.

Tell that to the victims of the Tsunami in 2004 or the kids who starve to death in Africa because of drought or the Haitians who died of hydration while trapped under a building after the earthquake. Or to all the people who die of all the many deadly diseases. Or to all the people who die a slow, miserable death just because of old age. I totally disagree that humans make most of the suffering in this world. Yes, of course humans do create their own horrors way too much, but Nature (or God, if you believe in that kind of thing) still causes by far the most suffering in this world.

It could be argued that your first couple of examples were/are caused by humans.

How so? I mean, drought maybe from climate change, but drought has acted as a natural population control since the beginning of time, so maybe not. But I'm pretty sure humans couldn't have stopped the earthquake that caused that Tsunami. Or maybe you're saying it's humans' faults because they chose to build things that couldn't withstand the Tsunami and Earthquake, or it's their fault because they didn't migrate out of the place with the drought? Well hell, in that case, our very existence and just trying to survive is our fault and is what makes us deserve all the suffering, so screw God anyway. Plus, what kind of God worthy of love would allow the free will of one man destroy the life of another? Why should one person's free will supersede another's? That makes no sense and I don't know why believers aren't pissed right off.

tbergs

PJ_Soul said:

dankind said:

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

Kev - Coat and Keys said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

It would have to be a better one than the one I don't think we have currently - a less suffering based one would be cool.

But I am cool with my mistakes being mine I don't need any pre-determinism.

I agree about less suffering, but I think we humans are the ones making most of the suffering...we should do more to lessen it.

Tell that to the victims of the Tsunami in 2004 or the kids who starve to death in Africa because of drought or the Haitians who died of hydration while trapped under a building after the earthquake. Or to all the people who die of all the many deadly diseases. Or to all the people who die a slow, miserable death just because of old age. I totally disagree that humans make most of the suffering in this world. Yes, of course humans do create their own horrors way too much, but Nature (or God, if you believe in that kind of thing) still causes by far the most suffering in this world.

It could be argued that your first couple of examples were/are caused by humans.

How so? I mean, drought maybe from climate change, but drought has acted as a natural population control since the beginning of time, so maybe not. But I'm pretty sure humans couldn't have stopped the earthquake that caused that Tsunami. Or maybe you're saying it's humans' faults because they chose to build things that couldn't withstand the Tsunami and Earthquake, or it's their fault because they didn't migrate out of the place with the drought? Well hell, in that case, our very existence and just trying to survive is our fault and is what makes us deserve all the suffering, so screw God anyway. Plus, what kind of God worthy of love would allow the free will of one man destroy the life of another? Why should one person's free will supersede another's? That makes no sense and I don't know why believers aren't pissed right off.

To your last question because humans control their own fate. It is our problem to figure out.

Annafalk

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

Absolutely not, if that God operates in this reality.
Why would I want a wantonly malicious and supremely vain deity sitting in the sky like a child with a magnifier over an ant hill.
Why would anyone want to believe that there is an omnipotent being that sits back and watches the Holocaust unfold? 
Fuck that!

It often comes back to this question about how god can allow suffering. If we would say that there is no god, wouldn’t there still be suffering? It would probably still be suffering but there would be no one to turn to, no comfort to get.  I prefer believing in god  just because it feels better. 

I'm with Pj_Soul, if I believed there was a God who could stop children from starving and being raped, but chose not to for no good reason, I would hate that God for being such a dick.

Yeah that's where I'm at.

If god is all powerful and does nothing to end suffering then that isn't a god I'm interested in paying much attention to.

Believe me I hate that too, evil humans.

right....humans that are more powerful than god. 

Religion beats your very logical argument with the whole free will argument. God won't stop people from harming others because he prefers to sit back and let them choose to do that, because humans have to choose to be good. It is a clever argument, because it will always and forever "explain" the problem of the horrors brought on people even though God has the power to stop it, and it actually sets God up as the giver of our own ability to make decisions (not matter how much it hurts others), which apparently we're supposed to really, really appreciate.

Except that if God was a little smarter He would give us free will and then punish us directly and immediately for our sins.
Rape a kid? 
Straight to hell.  None of this bullshit hanging around raping more kids.
Start a war? 
Straight to hell.

Easy tweak, damn, I must be smarter than God.

This sounds like a smart idea but if people knew for sure they are being watched on by a higher power, with the risk of getting sucked up if they do wrong. Wouldn’t all people live with a great fear of taking a step wrong? (I off course like the thought about bad people getting punished though.)

rgambs

tbergs said:

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

Absolutely not, if that God operates in this reality.
Why would I want a wantonly malicious and supremely vain deity sitting in the sky like a child with a magnifier over an ant hill.
Why would anyone want to believe that there is an omnipotent being that sits back and watches the Holocaust unfold? 
Fuck that!

It often comes back to this question about how god can allow suffering. If we would say that there is no god, wouldn’t there still be suffering? It would probably still be suffering but there would be no one to turn to, no comfort to get.  I prefer believing in god  just because it feels better. 

I'm with Pj_Soul, if I believed there was a God who could stop children from starving and being raped, but chose not to for no good reason, I would hate that God for being such a dick.

Yeah that's where I'm at.

If god is all powerful and does nothing to end suffering then that isn't a god I'm interested in paying much attention to.

Believe me I hate that too, evil humans.

right....humans that are more powerful than god. 

But how could a God take away our every way of evil? We have free will. What would we even be able to do freely if a God intervened? I don't think it's so easy to say that if there is a God they are spiteful to allow suffering. If you take the God concept as truth, then you recognize that the ability to create and control are different pieces of the puzzle. I guess we shouldn't procreate because our children may be the next mass murderer. We know the risks, but do so anyway.

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

So a sincere question for non believers, if you could choose, would you want there to be a God or not?

Absolutely not, if that God operates in this reality.
Why would I want a wantonly malicious and supremely vain deity sitting in the sky like a child with a magnifier over an ant hill.
Why would anyone want to believe that there is an omnipotent being that sits back and watches the Holocaust unfold? 
Fuck that!

It often comes back to this question about how god can allow suffering. If we would say that there is no god, wouldn’t there still be suffering? It would probably still be suffering but there would be no one to turn to, no comfort to get.  I prefer believing in god  just because it feels better. 

I'm with Pj_Soul, if I believed there was a God who could stop children from starving and being raped, but chose not to for no good reason, I would hate that God for being such a dick.

Yeah that's where I'm at.

If god is all powerful and does nothing to end suffering then that isn't a god I'm interested in paying much attention to.

Believe me I hate that too, evil humans.

right....humans that are more powerful than god. 

Religion beats your very logical argument with the whole free will argument. God won't stop people from harming others because he prefers to sit back and let them choose to do that, because humans have to choose to be good. It is a clever argument, because it will always and forever "explain" the problem of the horrors brought on people even though God has the power to stop it, and it actually sets God up as the giver of our own ability to make decisions (not matter how much it hurts others), which apparently we're supposed to really, really appreciate.

Except that if God was a little smarter He would give us free will and then punish us directly and immediately for our sins.
Rape a kid? 
Straight to hell.  None of this bullshit hanging around raping more kids.
Start a war? 
Straight to hell.

Easy tweak, damn, I must be smarter than God.

This sounds like a smart idea but if people knew for sure they are being watched on by a higher power, with the risk of getting sucked up if they do wrong. Wouldn’t all people live with a great fear of taking a step wrong? (I off course like the thought about bad people getting punished though.)

God could do the responsible thing and come out of hiding.
Show Himself and definitively lay out the rules and punishments and be there for counsel, actually answer prayers.
Basically, God could be a decent parent and not a deadbeat Dad who created us and left us a note that says what we should or shouldn't do.