Actually, just quit on Seinfeld. It's not for you. Never thought I'd say those words. But if this dingo gag offends you, then I just don't think this relationship (between you and the show) is going to work.
F Me In The Brain
this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,635
edited December 2017
Anyone that watched that Meryl Streep dingo shit and doesn't laugh at someone making fun of it just doesn't have the same sense of humor (at all) that I do. Which is ok - not pretending my sense of humor isn't whacked.
I think all most Americans know about the story is the movie and the jokes about it. I don't think we really appreciate that it was a huge, controversial story in Australia that had public attention for years. So on the face of it, it probably seems like an absurd, isolated incident rather than something tragic that led to wrongful convictions of the parents and divided popular opinion. I don't know if people would be making jokes about a comparable case if it happened in the U.S.
Sometimes I think Seinfeld is funny, sometimes I think it's stupid.
"The stars are all connected to the brain."
0
Options
mickeyrat
up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,832
if memory serves, didnt the stand up part tie in with the episode in some way? wasnt that the basic format?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I think all most Americans know about the story is the movie and the jokes about it. I don't think we really appreciate that it was a huge, controversial story in Australia that had public attention for years. So on the face of it, it probably seems like an absurd, isolated incident rather than something tragic that led to wrongful convictions of the parents and divided popular opinion. I don't know if people would be making jokes about a comparable case if it happened in the U.S.
Sometimes I think Seinfeld is funny, sometimes I think it's stupid.
If Elaine is making fun of the way that line was said in the movie then that's cool. If it's directly mocking Lindy Chamberlaine then I'd say that's not acceptable.
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
I'm a pretty irreverent person and I'll joke about almost anything, but I think there's a time and a place for that kind of humor. I also think that we all have a boundary when it comes to certain topics, based on our own beliefs and experiences. For example, I won't tolerate jokes about rape. Let's just say I've had enough experience with the reality that I'll never find it funny.
I do a lot of training and public speaking. I used to train with a guy from another organization that was an expert on suicide. He'd begin his presentations by saying that there wasn't going to be any joking about the subject while he was speaking. He acknowledged that people may laugh about suicide in some settings and he in fact collected suicide jokes, which he'd share in other circumstances. But there would be no laughing about it while everyone was learning. I liked the way he handled it.
You don't have to like every joke to appreciate comedy. I don't think you're overreacting when you've got your own feelings about it and you're entitled to them.
If you can't get past the joke to enjoy the rest of the series, I can understand that too. Lots of people think Lily Tomlin is funny and talented. She came to my university and did a stand up routine. She was absolutely the rudest, most offensive (in terms of how she treated her audience) performer I've ever encountered. That was many, many years ago and I still don't like her or anything she does. I can't get past remembering how rude and insulting she was when I saw her live.
I think one John Mulaney did on rape landed well. it expresses empathy for women and targets culture in general and men specifically.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
0
Options
mickeyrat
up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,832
edited December 2017
am part of a very small fb group. one post is about your last binged tv show.
at the time I wsd in the middle of sons of anarchy. theres one episode that suggests a school shooting. one guy flipped out because of the subject. matter. him being a dad, I get it. but it was selective outrage. dead kids was bad but all the other murder, violence, rape and general degradation of women throughout the rest of the series was ok.
in their unique way comedians serve as our conscience. they push us into uncomfortable places. get us thinking about things we wouldnt otherwise willingly tackle
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
What he pretty much is doing is making suicide survivors ashamed and mocking them. Imagine being one of those people and hearing this. Pretty much encouraging them.
Do you think Jerry Seinfeld wants people to kill themselves?
No. But imagine being in mental crisis and hearing that you're a failure for failing to kill yourself and then hearing solutions to try again. If someone was in a fragile state and heard this "joke" it'd be like kicking them when they're down.
I love Seinfeld the show but hate the guy's stand-up, personally. This bit made me chuckle a bit but to be fair, I haven't been suicidal since at least Tuesday.
My point is that it's ok for you to be disgusted by this joke just like it should be ok for me to cope with my life with inappropriate humor. We're all in this struggle together and should use whatever tools we have to get through it and help each other along the way.
By the way, December 1st was the 3 year anniversary of my failed attempt. That's one failure I celebrate every damn day, no matter how dark it is.
0
Options
brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,749
I think today, many of us tend to be either overly sensitive or overly jaded or both. Which makes it difficult to take an objective view of joking about things like suicide. In 1996, I damn near killed myself (on purpose) with a lot of Xanax and alcohol. Just by sheer luck I didn't die (long story, no need to go into all that). Man, am I ever glad I didn't die. God allfuckinmighty am I glad I didn't die. And because of that, even though I believe (at least in theory) that, if done right, anything can be used in humor, in practice, I can't see suicide being used in humor. Maybe only people who survived suicide should be the ones to joke about it. But if you do survive, you're too busy living and being glad to be alive to take the time to figure out how the hell to joke about it in a proper manner. That time would be better spend figuring out how to help other people so they don't do "something stupid" (as Westerberg put it) like I did. So I say, forget it, there are plenty of other things to joke about besides suicide.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
0
Options
brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,749
I agree with George Carlin's concept that anything can be used in humor if done right but I haven't seen that proven with suicide. Even Carlin's suicide routine didn't work well for me. Seinfeld's, definitely not.
Isn't it! Look how serious Slim Dunlap (to Paul's left) looks. You know he's been through some shit as well (in fact, Slim is hanging in there but with difficulty after suffering a stroke in 2012). Paul's words, Slims expression- those are worth more than ten thousand jokes about suicide- I don't care who says them, or how carefully they word them. When you've been on the ledge, it just isn't a joke any more.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Hey, it helps me cope. Just 3 more days... But I only joke about myself. I need laughter as much as I need air.
Brian, really glad you're still around, dude. I'm sure many are. And yeah, I know how sweet life can be when you get that second chance. That was when I chose to live.
What he pretty much is doing is making suicide survivors ashamed and mocking them. Imagine being one of those people and hearing this. Pretty much encouraging them.
Do you think Jerry Seinfeld wants people to kill themselves?
No. But imagine being in mental crisis and hearing that you're a failure for failing to kill yourself and then hearing solutions to try again. If someone was in a fragile state and heard this "joke" it'd be like kicking them when they're down.
I love Seinfeld the show but hate the guy's stand-up, personally. This bit made me chuckle a bit but to be fair, I haven't been suicidal since at least Tuesday.
My point is that it's ok for you to be disgusted by this joke just like it should be ok for me to cope with my life with inappropriate humor. We're all in this struggle together and should use whatever tools we have to get through it and help each other along the way.
By the way, December 1st was the 3 year anniversary of my failed attempt. That's one failure I celebrate every damn day, no matter how dark it is.
I'm glad you survived and are still with us.
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
I think today, many of us tend to be either overly sensitive or overly jaded or both. Which makes it difficult to take an objective view of joking about things like suicide. In 1996, I damn near killed myself (on purpose) with a lot of Xanax and alcohol. Just by sheer luck I didn't die (long story, no need to go into all that). Man, am I ever glad I didn't die. God allfuckinmighty am I glad I didn't die. And because of that, even though I believe (at least in theory) that, if done right, anything can be used in humor, in practice, I can't see suicide being used in humor. Maybe only people who survived suicide should be the ones to joke about it. But if you do survive, you're too busy living and being glad to be alive to take the time to figure out how the hell to joke about it in a proper manner. That time would be better spend figuring out how to help other people so they don't do "something stupid" (as Westerberg put it) like I did. So I say, forget it, there are plenty of other things to joke about besides suicide.
Glad you're still here. Seinfeld to me sounds like he's encouraging those that survived an attempt to try again i.e. fix your car engine. Sounds malicious.
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
I agree with George Carlin's concept that anything can be used in humor if done right but I haven't seen that proven with suicide. Even Carlin's suicide routine didn't work well for me. Seinfeld's, definitely not.
Isn't it! Look how serious Slim Dunlap (to Paul's left) looks. You know he's been through some shit as well (in fact, Slim is hanging in there but with difficulty after suffering a stroke in 2012). Paul's words, Slims expression- those are worth more than ten thousand jokes about suicide- I don't care who says them, or how carefully they word them. When you've been on the ledge, it just isn't a joke any more.
do you mean to Paul's right, the guy with the black hair? The guy on the other side didn't look serious. I don't know much about them, I only know one song 'bastards of young' and I love it.
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
0
Options
mickeyrat
up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,832
What he pretty much is doing is making suicide survivors ashamed and mocking them. Imagine being one of those people and hearing this. Pretty much encouraging them.
Do you think Jerry Seinfeld wants people to kill themselves?
No. But imagine being in mental crisis and hearing that you're a failure for failing to kill yourself and then hearing solutions to try again. If someone was in a fragile state and heard this "joke" it'd be like kicking them when they're down.
I love Seinfeld the show but hate the guy's stand-up, personally. This bit made me chuckle a bit but to be fair, I haven't been suicidal since at least Tuesday.
My point is that it's ok for you to be disgusted by this joke just like it should be ok for me to cope with my life with inappropriate humor. We're all in this struggle together and should use whatever tools we have to get through it and help each other along the way.
By the way, December 1st was the 3 year anniversary of my failed attempt. That's one failure I celebrate every damn day, no matter how dark it is.
seems strange to say but congrats for not succeeding.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
What he pretty much is doing is making suicide survivors ashamed and mocking them. Imagine being one of those people and hearing this. Pretty much encouraging them.
Do you think Jerry Seinfeld wants people to kill themselves?
No. But imagine being in mental crisis and hearing that you're a failure for failing to kill yourself and then hearing solutions to try again. If someone was in a fragile state and heard this "joke" it'd be like kicking them when they're down.
I love Seinfeld the show but hate the guy's stand-up, personally. This bit made me chuckle a bit but to be fair, I haven't been suicidal since at least Tuesday.
My point is that it's ok for you to be disgusted by this joke just like it should be ok for me to cope with my life with inappropriate humor. We're all in this struggle together and should use whatever tools we have to get through it and help each other along the way.
By the way, December 1st was the 3 year anniversary of my failed attempt. That's one failure I celebrate every damn day, no matter how dark it is.
seems strange to say but congrats for not succeeding.
I know right? Best fail ever. And I can't believe how much I would've missed!
0
Options
mickeyrat
up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,832
What he pretty much is doing is making suicide survivors ashamed and mocking them. Imagine being one of those people and hearing this. Pretty much encouraging them.
Do you think Jerry Seinfeld wants people to kill themselves?
No. But imagine being in mental crisis and hearing that you're a failure for failing to kill yourself and then hearing solutions to try again. If someone was in a fragile state and heard this "joke" it'd be like kicking them when they're down.
I love Seinfeld the show but hate the guy's stand-up, personally. This bit made me chuckle a bit but to be fair, I haven't been suicidal since at least Tuesday.
My point is that it's ok for you to be disgusted by this joke just like it should be ok for me to cope with my life with inappropriate humor. We're all in this struggle together and should use whatever tools we have to get through it and help each other along the way.
By the way, December 1st was the 3 year anniversary of my failed attempt. That's one failure I celebrate every damn day, no matter how dark it is.
seems strange to say but congrats for not succeeding.
I know right? Best fail ever. And I can't believe how much I would've missed!
that IS a question that came to mind.
What in these three years would you have personally not been a part of? Any profound insights that have come to help you on this rest of your journey? That has made living just that much easier? or at least more tolerable?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
0
Options
mickeyrat
up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,832
I think today, many of us tend to be either overly sensitive or overly jaded or both. Which makes it difficult to take an objective view of joking about things like suicide. In 1996, I damn near killed myself (on purpose) with a lot of Xanax and alcohol. Just by sheer luck I didn't die (long story, no need to go into all that). Man, am I ever glad I didn't die. God allfuckinmighty am I glad I didn't die. And because of that, even though I believe (at least in theory) that, if done right, anything can be used in humor, in practice, I can't see suicide being used in humor. Maybe only people who survived suicide should be the ones to joke about it. But if you do survive, you're too busy living and being glad to be alive to take the time to figure out how the hell to joke about it in a proper manner. That time would be better spend figuring out how to help other people so they don't do "something stupid" (as Westerberg put it) like I did. So I say, forget it, there are plenty of other things to joke about besides suicide.
Glad you're still here. Seinfeld to me sounds like he's encouraging those that survived an attempt to try again i.e. fix your car engine. Sounds malicious.
perhaps its stating the obvious rather than an act of cruelty, that these thoughts ,I would imagine, are what goes through the minds of those whose attempts failed without a joke from a comedian?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
0
Options
mickeyrat
up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,832
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I think today, many of us tend to be either overly sensitive or overly jaded or both. Which makes it difficult to take an objective view of joking about things like suicide. In 1996, I damn near killed myself (on purpose) with a lot of Xanax and alcohol. Just by sheer luck I didn't die (long story, no need to go into all that). Man, am I ever glad I didn't die. God allfuckinmighty am I glad I didn't die. And because of that, even though I believe (at least in theory) that, if done right, anything can be used in humor, in practice, I can't see suicide being used in humor. Maybe only people who survived suicide should be the ones to joke about it. But if you do survive, you're too busy living and being glad to be alive to take the time to figure out how the hell to joke about it in a proper manner. That time would be better spend figuring out how to help other people so they don't do "something stupid" (as Westerberg put it) like I did. So I say, forget it, there are plenty of other things to joke about besides suicide.
Glad you're still here. Seinfeld to me sounds like he's encouraging those that survived an attempt to try again i.e. fix your car engine. Sounds malicious.
perhaps its stating the obvious rather than an act of cruelty, that these thoughts ,I would imagine, are what goes through the minds of those whose attempts failed without a joke from a comedian?
I don't know. I'm trying to make sense of it. I want to overcome the anger about it so I can continue watching the series. I can't see it as him going through what goes through the minds of those that survive.
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
Comments
Actually, just quit on Seinfeld. It's not for you. Never thought I'd say those words. But if this dingo gag offends you, then I just don't think this relationship (between you and the show) is going to work.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Which is ok - not pretending my sense of humor isn't whacked.
even if I look and act really crazy.
even if I look and act really crazy.
Fuckus rules all
Rob
Seattle
Sometimes I think Seinfeld is funny, sometimes I think it's stupid.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
at the time I wsd in the middle of sons of anarchy. theres one episode that suggests a school shooting.
one guy flipped out because of the subject. matter. him being a dad, I get it. but it was selective outrage. dead kids was bad but all the other murder, violence, rape and general degradation of women throughout the rest of the series was ok.
in their unique way comedians serve as our conscience. they push us into uncomfortable places. get us thinking about things we wouldnt otherwise willingly tackle
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
My point is that it's ok for you to be disgusted by this joke just like it should be ok for me to cope with my life with inappropriate humor. We're all in this struggle together and should use whatever tools we have to get through it and help each other along the way.
By the way, December 1st was the 3 year anniversary of my failed attempt. That's one failure I celebrate every damn day, no matter how dark it is.
But I only joke about myself. I need laughter as much as I need air.
Brian, really glad you're still around, dude. I'm sure many are.
And yeah, I know how sweet life can be when you get that second chance. That was when I chose to live.
Sounds malicious.
I don't know much about them, I only know one song 'bastards of young' and I love it.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
What in these three years would you have personally not been a part of? Any profound insights that have come to help you on this rest of your journey? That has made living just that much easier? or at least more tolerable?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
memory says the stand up stuff was riffs off of what was in the episode?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14