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brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,024
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59 dead and over 500 wounded and no thread here yet?  Surprising.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    brianlux said:
    59 dead and over 500 wounded and no thread here yet?  Surprising.
    It's been spread out in the Gun Violence and Trump thread.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,446
    The scale just keeps getting bigger and bigger. I think I’m having a tough time wrapping my head around this. When is enough enough? Such a sad day.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Maybe some are just trying to take this shit in.  It never even occurred to me to create a discussion about this.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,024
    hedonist said:
    Maybe some are just trying to take this shit in.  It never even occurred to me to create a discussion about this.
    Oh for sure.  I meant no slight here.  It's just that I was gone all day and had expected more reaction. 

    What a terrible sad thing.  I can't imagine being in the midst of that awful chaos and for the survivors having to deal with the way that would change one's life.  Very sad.
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  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Posts: 2,682
    The sad reason that there is no thread is that mass shootings are now so common in America that it no longer shocks anyone and we automatically just figure the latest will be covered in the gun violence thread. This is what your country has become, it no longer surprises the rest of the world when one of your citizens randomly decides to go out an murder a bunch of strangers
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  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    The sad reason that there is no thread is that mass shootings are now so common in America that it no longer shocks anyone and we automatically just figure the latest will be covered in the gun violence thread. This is what your country has become, it no longer surprises the rest of the world when one of your citizens randomly decides to go out an murder a bunch of strangers
    Yet after this incident not much will change. If after the Sandy Hook shooting nothing was done to help stop these all too common mass shootings.....I don't expect much will be done here sadly. Someone else WILL come along and be more deadly than in this instance, then we're left to ask WHY so often does this have to happen in America?

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    The sad reason that there is no thread is that mass shootings are now so common in America that it no longer shocks anyone and we automatically just figure the latest will be covered in the gun violence thread. This is what your country has become, it no longer surprises the rest of the world when one of your citizens randomly decides to go out an murder a bunch of strangers
    I think the news sensationalizes it more than anything.  You need only 5 minutes to understand what's going on, yet they have 24hr non stop news coverage.  I find that more disgusting than anything.

    How many news channels are looking for an "exclusive" with the shooters brother right now?  Most likely all of them.

    It's a tragedy that grows to being perverse unfortunately.

    A positive I did see is all the Las Vegas residents lining up to give blood, some waiting hours.  
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    edited October 2017
    tempo_n_groove said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    The sad reason that there is no thread is that mass shootings are now so common in America that it no longer shocks anyone and we automatically just figure the latest will be covered in the gun violence thread. This is what your country has become, it no longer surprises the rest of the world when one of your citizens randomly decides to go out an murder a bunch of strangers
    I think the news sensationalizes it more than anything.  You need only 5 minutes to understand what's going on, yet they have 24hr non stop news coverage.  I find that more disgusting than anything.

    How many news channels are looking for an "exclusive" with the shooters brother right now?  Most likely all of them.

    It's a tragedy that grows to being perverse unfortunately.

    A positive I did see is all the Las Vegas residents lining up to give blood, some waiting hours.  
    How has the news sensationalized the deadliest mass shooting in history? You want them to neatly summarize it in 5 minutes and move on? 5 fucking minutes? Why, so Americans can get back to being lazy, ignorant drones and continue to ignore our gun violence problem. I want them talking about it non stop because that's the only way anything will ever change. Once they stop talking about it is when it loses the momentum needed to influence change. And I'm sorry, but there currently has been no positive to this shooting. People lining up to give blood because hundreds were shot. What low expectations we have.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,525
    tempo_n_groove said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    The sad reason that there is no thread is that mass shootings are now so common in America that it no longer shocks anyone and we automatically just figure the latest will be covered in the gun violence thread. This is what your country has become, it no longer surprises the rest of the world when one of your citizens randomly decides to go out an murder a bunch of strangers
    I think the news sensationalizes it more than anything.  You need only 5 minutes to understand what's going on, yet they have 24hr non stop news coverage.  I find that more disgusting than anything.

    How many news channels are looking for an "exclusive" with the shooters brother right now?  Most likely all of them.

    It's a tragedy that grows to being perverse unfortunately.

    A positive I did see is all the Las Vegas residents lining up to give blood, some waiting hours.  
    The biggest mass shooting in our history you want it to go away after one day really no this needs to be at the forefront of news sickle to point out what a joke this country is about the giant gun issue we have !
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,727
    The news kind of sensationalizes it to a point though

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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    tbergs said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    The sad reason that there is no thread is that mass shootings are now so common in America that it no longer shocks anyone and we automatically just figure the latest will be covered in the gun violence thread. This is what your country has become, it no longer surprises the rest of the world when one of your citizens randomly decides to go out an murder a bunch of strangers
    I think the news sensationalizes it more than anything.  You need only 5 minutes to understand what's going on, yet they have 24hr non stop news coverage.  I find that more disgusting than anything.

    How many news channels are looking for an "exclusive" with the shooters brother right now?  Most likely all of them.

    It's a tragedy that grows to being perverse unfortunately.

    A positive I did see is all the Las Vegas residents lining up to give blood, some waiting hours.  
    How has the news sensationalized the deadliest mass shooting in history? You want them to neatly summarize it in 5 minutes and move on? 5 fucking minutes? Why, so Americans can get back to being lazy, ignorant drones and continue to ignore our gun violence problem. I want them talking about it non stop because that's the only way anything will ever change. Once they stop talking about it is when it loses the momentum needed to influence change. And I'm sorry, but there currently has been no positive to this shooting. People lining up to give blood because hundreds were shot. What low expectations we have.
    Kind of how I've felt watching the news.  They keep trying to find the positive spin.  There is no positive spin here.  People coming together in the wake of another crisis is not good news, it's reaction to a tragedy.  Good news would be if we found ways from this happening again.  Instead it is getting worse.  
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    tbergs said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    The sad reason that there is no thread is that mass shootings are now so common in America that it no longer shocks anyone and we automatically just figure the latest will be covered in the gun violence thread. This is what your country has become, it no longer surprises the rest of the world when one of your citizens randomly decides to go out an murder a bunch of strangers
    I think the news sensationalizes it more than anything.  You need only 5 minutes to understand what's going on, yet they have 24hr non stop news coverage.  I find that more disgusting than anything.

    How many news channels are looking for an "exclusive" with the shooters brother right now?  Most likely all of them.

    It's a tragedy that grows to being perverse unfortunately.

    A positive I did see is all the Las Vegas residents lining up to give blood, some waiting hours.  
    How has the news sensationalized the deadliest mass shooting in history? You want them to neatly summarize it in 5 minutes and move on? 5 fucking minutes? Why, so Americans can get back to being lazy, ignorant drones and continue to ignore our gun violence problem. I want them talking about it non stop because that's the only way anything will ever change. Once they stop talking about it is when it loses the momentum needed to influence change. And I'm sorry, but there currently has been no positive to this shooting. People lining up to give blood because hundreds were shot. What low expectations we have.
    Stop it, stop.

    You like seeing what happened from a new angle from another survivor and his cell phone video?

    You like hearing the "police expert" talk about how it sounded like automatic gun fire?

    You like hearing the on air anchors ask dumb questions because they've run out of things to ask?

    Stop it, stop.

    It IS a tragedy and should be treated as such but if you can't see how news and media dumbs it down and makes the reporting distasteful then we will disagree then.

    Also forgive me for supporting the people to giving blood, dear lord man...
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,529
    tempo_n_groove said:
    tbergs said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    The sad reason that there is no thread is that mass shootings are now so common in America that it no longer shocks anyone and we automatically just figure the latest will be covered in the gun violence thread. This is what your country has become, it no longer surprises the rest of the world when one of your citizens randomly decides to go out an murder a bunch of strangers
    I think the news sensationalizes it more than anything.  You need only 5 minutes to understand what's going on, yet they have 24hr non stop news coverage.  I find that more disgusting than anything.

    How many news channels are looking for an "exclusive" with the shooters brother right now?  Most likely all of them.

    It's a tragedy that grows to being perverse unfortunately.

    A positive I did see is all the Las Vegas residents lining up to give blood, some waiting hours.  
    How has the news sensationalized the deadliest mass shooting in history? You want them to neatly summarize it in 5 minutes and move on? 5 fucking minutes? Why, so Americans can get back to being lazy, ignorant drones and continue to ignore our gun violence problem. I want them talking about it non stop because that's the only way anything will ever change. Once they stop talking about it is when it loses the momentum needed to influence change. And I'm sorry, but there currently has been no positive to this shooting. People lining up to give blood because hundreds were shot. What low expectations we have.
    Stop it, stop.

    You like seeing what happened from a new angle from another survivor and his cell phone video?

    You like hearing the "police expert" talk about how it sounded like automatic gun fire?

    You like hearing the on air anchors ask dumb questions because they've run out of things to ask?

    Stop it, stop.

    It IS a tragedy and should be treated as such but if you can't see how news and media dumbs it down and makes the reporting distasteful then we will disagree then.

    Also forgive me for supporting the people to giving blood, dear lord man...
    i agree with you on this. it was very heart warming to see how many peopled turned up.  so many they had to stop taking people. one thing about this country is the people do a very nice job of rallying for each other in times like this.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,583
    brianlux said:
    hedonist said:
    Maybe some are just trying to take this shit in.  It never even occurred to me to create a discussion about this.
    Oh for sure.  I meant no slight here.  It's just that I was gone all day and had expected more reaction. 

    What a terrible sad thing.  I can't imagine being in the midst of that awful chaos and for the survivors having to deal with the way that would change one's life.  Very sad.


    whats to discuss? seriously. it will NEVER change. NEVER.

    I become more cynical with each everyday occurance. THIS is the price we continue to pay to keep believing in the bullshit brochure of this country.

    It was created in violence, expanded in violence and will implode in violence.

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  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    My right to own a gun is more important than your right to live.


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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Any word on the guy’s motive?  I keep reading “rumors”, but nothing official.  Definitely seems like a person with an agenda...
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJPOWER said:
    Any word on the guy’s motive?  I keep reading “rumors”, but nothing official.  Definitely seems like a person with an agenda...
    It doesn't matter what the motivation was. 
  • goldrushgoldrush Posts: 7,532
    It's hard to know which was more depressing - the fact that this has happened again; or the fact that it's such a 'normal' thing to happen now that we're kind of numb to it.

    I fear that it will get to the point where you turn on the news and hear "Today's homicide figure stands at __... now over to Chad for sports"

    It's never going to stop because America will never do the right thing when it comes to gun control.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited October 2017
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Any word on the guy’s motive?  I keep reading “rumors”, but nothing official.  Definitely seems like a person with an agenda...
    It doesn't matter what the motivation was. 
    Of course it does.  If it was racially or politically motivated, it matters.  Understanding a person’s motive is paramount in helping prevent future attacks.  If his motive was that he is part of a political fringe group planning more of these, then it would matter.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    The false flaggers are out in droves today.
    Sad.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    rgambs said:
    The false flaggers are out in droves today.
    Sad.
    They remind me of the “Flat Earthers”
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    rgambs said:
    The false flaggers are out in droves today.
    Sad.
    Forgive my ignorance, but what is a "false flagger"?  I googled it and I'm not sure that it means what you intend it to?
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    rgambs said:
    The false flaggers are out in droves today.
    Sad.
    Just as bad if not worse than the actual incident are those who spread the lies and conspiracy BS. It just minimizes the impact and diverts the focus.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJPOWER said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Any word on the guy’s motive?  I keep reading “rumors”, but nothing official.  Definitely seems like a person with an agenda...
    It doesn't matter what the motivation was. 
    Of course it does.  If it was racially or politically motivated, it matters.  Understanding a person’s motive is paramount in helping prevent future attacks.  If his motive was that he is part of a political fringe group planning more of these, then it would matter.


    All that matters is easy access to a gun.  Understanding that preventing easy access to an instrument design to inflict maximum human casualty is paramount to preventing future attacks.  Stop shifting the conversation from what the problem actually is: guns.  

    It can not be stated more clearly:  Guns are the problem.  Gun laws are the solution.  

    It has been proven time and time again.  Other countries with more gun laws have less guns violence and death.  States with more gun laws have less gun violence and death.  It is clear as the day is long.  Guns = gun violence.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Any word on the guy’s motive?  I keep reading “rumors”, but nothing official.  Definitely seems like a person with an agenda...
    It doesn't matter what the motivation was. 
    Of course it does.  If it was racially or politically motivated, it matters.  Understanding a person’s motive is paramount in helping prevent future attacks.  If his motive was that he is part of a political fringe group planning more of these, then it would matter.


    All that matters is easy access to a gun.  Understanding that preventing easy access to an instrument design to inflict maximum human casualty is paramount to preventing future attacks.  Stop shifting the conversation from what the problem actually is: guns.  

    It can not be stated more clearly:  Guns are the problem.  Gun laws are the solution.  

    It has been proven time and time again.  Other countries with more gun laws have less guns violence and death.  States with more gun laws have less gun violence and death.  It is clear as the day is long.  Guns = gun violence.
    If that is your focus, then fine.  But there are plenty of reasons to focus on the motive as well.  If you do not want to know the motive, then ignore my question.  You have a very black and white way of thinking...
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,763
    rgambs said:
    The false flaggers are out in droves today.
    Sad.
    I just read a fb comment on an article about people who were heroes during the attack, that the shooter had antifa flags all over his room, his wife was a muslim, and that an fbi swat team were responsible for his desth.
    Cuckoo cuckoo

    Can't wait for alex jones to blame president Obama for this
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Any word on the guy’s motive?  I keep reading “rumors”, but nothing official.  Definitely seems like a person with an agenda...
    It doesn't matter what the motivation was. 
    Of course it does.  If it was racially or politically motivated, it matters.  Understanding a person’s motive is paramount in helping prevent future attacks.  If his motive was that he is part of a political fringe group planning more of these, then it would matter.


    All that matters is easy access to a gun.  Understanding that preventing easy access to an instrument design to inflict maximum human casualty is paramount to preventing future attacks.  Stop shifting the conversation from what the problem actually is: guns.  

    It can not be stated more clearly:  Guns are the problem.  Gun laws are the solution.  

    It has been proven time and time again.  Other countries with more gun laws have less guns violence and death.  States with more gun laws have less gun violence and death.  It is clear as the day is long.  Guns = gun violence.
    Knowing what fuels people is a good way to keeping the guns out of peoples hands so I'd agree that knowing a motive IS important.

    Guns have always been available but why are people going on mass shooting sprees?

    There has to be a link somewhere as to why people are going sideways?
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,024
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    hedonist said:
    Maybe some are just trying to take this shit in.  It never even occurred to me to create a discussion about this.
    Oh for sure.  I meant no slight here.  It's just that I was gone all day and had expected more reaction. 

    What a terrible sad thing.  I can't imagine being in the midst of that awful chaos and for the survivors having to deal with the way that would change one's life.  Very sad.


    whats to discuss? seriously. it will NEVER change. NEVER.

    I become more cynical with each everyday occurance. THIS is the price we continue to pay to keep believing in the bullshit brochure of this country.

    It was created in violence, expanded in violence and will implode in violence.

    Rome is burning......
    I believe things can change based on taking it down to the lowest increment- one person.  Me.  Or you.  Or anyone.  I changed.  In my case, from feeling so hopeless that I nearly did myself in to living a relatively good and (hopefully anyway!) somewhat useful life.  Don't get me wrong- I'm not trying to make myself sound heroic.  In the grand scheme of things, I'm very insignificant.  I just mean to illustrate that each of us can change, become better people, move forward.

    Ending or at least reducing violence seems like any other important subject.    I understand the thought that we may very well not slow climate change/global warming in time to prevent our own extinction.  We may not reduce atomic bombs in time to prevent  nuclear holocaust.  We may not decrease our use of antibiotics in time to prevent massive epidemics.  But to me it only makes sense to try.  If we don't  try to change ourselves and in turn change the way society reacts then, yes, there is nothing to discuss and no point in discussing any of this.   That is the ultimate in cynicism.  I hope you're not that cynical, micky.  You've brought too much to the table for me to believe that.  Anyway, I hope I'm right about that.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    The false flaggers are out in droves today.
    Sad.
    They remind me of the “Flat Earthers”
    I am sure there's quite an overlap.
    It seems like people who believe in any single conspiracy tend to believe in every single conspiracy.
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