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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    The false flaggers are out in droves today.
    Sad.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    rgambs said:
    The false flaggers are out in droves today.
    Sad.
    They remind me of the “Flat Earthers”
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,385
    rgambs said:
    The false flaggers are out in droves today.
    Sad.
    Forgive my ignorance, but what is a "false flagger"?  I googled it and I'm not sure that it means what you intend it to?
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    rgambs said:
    The false flaggers are out in droves today.
    Sad.
    Just as bad if not worse than the actual incident are those who spread the lies and conspiracy BS. It just minimizes the impact and diverts the focus.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJPOWER said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Any word on the guy’s motive?  I keep reading “rumors”, but nothing official.  Definitely seems like a person with an agenda...
    It doesn't matter what the motivation was. 
    Of course it does.  If it was racially or politically motivated, it matters.  Understanding a person’s motive is paramount in helping prevent future attacks.  If his motive was that he is part of a political fringe group planning more of these, then it would matter.


    All that matters is easy access to a gun.  Understanding that preventing easy access to an instrument design to inflict maximum human casualty is paramount to preventing future attacks.  Stop shifting the conversation from what the problem actually is: guns.  

    It can not be stated more clearly:  Guns are the problem.  Gun laws are the solution.  

    It has been proven time and time again.  Other countries with more gun laws have less guns violence and death.  States with more gun laws have less gun violence and death.  It is clear as the day is long.  Guns = gun violence.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Any word on the guy’s motive?  I keep reading “rumors”, but nothing official.  Definitely seems like a person with an agenda...
    It doesn't matter what the motivation was. 
    Of course it does.  If it was racially or politically motivated, it matters.  Understanding a person’s motive is paramount in helping prevent future attacks.  If his motive was that he is part of a political fringe group planning more of these, then it would matter.


    All that matters is easy access to a gun.  Understanding that preventing easy access to an instrument design to inflict maximum human casualty is paramount to preventing future attacks.  Stop shifting the conversation from what the problem actually is: guns.  

    It can not be stated more clearly:  Guns are the problem.  Gun laws are the solution.  

    It has been proven time and time again.  Other countries with more gun laws have less guns violence and death.  States with more gun laws have less gun violence and death.  It is clear as the day is long.  Guns = gun violence.
    If that is your focus, then fine.  But there are plenty of reasons to focus on the motive as well.  If you do not want to know the motive, then ignore my question.  You have a very black and white way of thinking...
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,420
    rgambs said:
    The false flaggers are out in droves today.
    Sad.
    I just read a fb comment on an article about people who were heroes during the attack, that the shooter had antifa flags all over his room, his wife was a muslim, and that an fbi swat team were responsible for his desth.
    Cuckoo cuckoo

    Can't wait for alex jones to blame president Obama for this
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,385
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Any word on the guy’s motive?  I keep reading “rumors”, but nothing official.  Definitely seems like a person with an agenda...
    It doesn't matter what the motivation was. 
    Of course it does.  If it was racially or politically motivated, it matters.  Understanding a person’s motive is paramount in helping prevent future attacks.  If his motive was that he is part of a political fringe group planning more of these, then it would matter.


    All that matters is easy access to a gun.  Understanding that preventing easy access to an instrument design to inflict maximum human casualty is paramount to preventing future attacks.  Stop shifting the conversation from what the problem actually is: guns.  

    It can not be stated more clearly:  Guns are the problem.  Gun laws are the solution.  

    It has been proven time and time again.  Other countries with more gun laws have less guns violence and death.  States with more gun laws have less gun violence and death.  It is clear as the day is long.  Guns = gun violence.
    Knowing what fuels people is a good way to keeping the guns out of peoples hands so I'd agree that knowing a motive IS important.

    Guns have always been available but why are people going on mass shooting sprees?

    There has to be a link somewhere as to why people are going sideways?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    hedonist said:
    Maybe some are just trying to take this shit in.  It never even occurred to me to create a discussion about this.
    Oh for sure.  I meant no slight here.  It's just that I was gone all day and had expected more reaction. 

    What a terrible sad thing.  I can't imagine being in the midst of that awful chaos and for the survivors having to deal with the way that would change one's life.  Very sad.


    whats to discuss? seriously. it will NEVER change. NEVER.

    I become more cynical with each everyday occurance. THIS is the price we continue to pay to keep believing in the bullshit brochure of this country.

    It was created in violence, expanded in violence and will implode in violence.

    Rome is burning......
    I believe things can change based on taking it down to the lowest increment- one person.  Me.  Or you.  Or anyone.  I changed.  In my case, from feeling so hopeless that I nearly did myself in to living a relatively good and (hopefully anyway!) somewhat useful life.  Don't get me wrong- I'm not trying to make myself sound heroic.  In the grand scheme of things, I'm very insignificant.  I just mean to illustrate that each of us can change, become better people, move forward.

    Ending or at least reducing violence seems like any other important subject.    I understand the thought that we may very well not slow climate change/global warming in time to prevent our own extinction.  We may not reduce atomic bombs in time to prevent  nuclear holocaust.  We may not decrease our use of antibiotics in time to prevent massive epidemics.  But to me it only makes sense to try.  If we don't  try to change ourselves and in turn change the way society reacts then, yes, there is nothing to discuss and no point in discussing any of this.   That is the ultimate in cynicism.  I hope you're not that cynical, micky.  You've brought too much to the table for me to believe that.  Anyway, I hope I'm right about that.
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    The false flaggers are out in droves today.
    Sad.
    They remind me of the “Flat Earthers”
    I am sure there's quite an overlap.
    It seems like people who believe in any single conspiracy tend to believe in every single conspiracy.
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  • goldrush
    goldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,791
    After the Clovis shooting in August it was reported that "This incident marked the 244th mass shooting in 2017, according to Gun Violence Archive. To put this into perspective, we are 240 days into the year. In short, the U.S. has had more mass shootings than days in 2017."

    I just cannot get my head around this. How can so many people be convinced that there is no problem?
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    tempo_n_groove said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Any word on the guy’s motive?  I keep reading “rumors”, but nothing official.  Definitely seems like a person with an agenda...
    It doesn't matter what the motivation was. 
    Of course it does.  If it was racially or politically motivated, it matters.  Understanding a person’s motive is paramount in helping prevent future attacks.  If his motive was that he is part of a political fringe group planning more of these, then it would matter.


    All that matters is easy access to a gun.  Understanding that preventing easy access to an instrument design to inflict maximum human casualty is paramount to preventing future attacks.  Stop shifting the conversation from what the problem actually is: guns.  

    It can not be stated more clearly:  Guns are the problem.  Gun laws are the solution.  

    It has been proven time and time again.  Other countries with more gun laws have less guns violence and death.  States with more gun laws have less gun violence and death.  It is clear as the day is long.  Guns = gun violence.
    Knowing what fuels people is a good way to keeping the guns out of peoples hands so I'd agree that knowing a motive IS important.

    Guns have always been available but why are people going on mass shooting sprees?

    There has to be a link somewhere as to why people are going sideways?
    For all we know, this asshat could have been a Russian operative...it is ignorant to say “motive does not matter” or to assume anything this early in the investigation.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,385
    goldrush said:
    After the Clovis shooting in August it was reported that "This incident marked the 244th mass shooting in 2017, according to Gun Violence Archive. To put this into perspective, we are 240 days into the year. In short, the U.S. has had more mass shootings than days in 2017."

    I just cannot get my head around this. How can so many people be convinced that there is no problem?

    Yes there is a problem.

    Why do people shoot each other so easily?

    Why is killing so easy for people?

    Why is this release of violence the only answer?

    These are questions I'd ask and try to solve answers to.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Here we go with the conspiracy theories already.  The Russians did it.  No, it was Trump's fault.  No, it was Obama.  And let's not forget Stone.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    tempo_n_groove said:
    goldrush said:
    After the Clovis shooting in August it was reported that "This incident marked the 244th mass shooting in 2017, according to Gun Violence Archive. To put this into perspective, we are 240 days into the year. In short, the U.S. has had more mass shootings than days in 2017."

    I just cannot get my head around this. How can so many people be convinced that there is no problem?

    Yes there is a problem.

    Why do people shoot each other so easily?

    Why is killing so easy for people?

    Why is this release of violence the only answer?

    These are questions I'd ask and try to solve answers to.
    We're a violence loving society.  We eat violence like Cheerios in the morning.  And it sells.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Any word on the guy’s motive?  I keep reading “rumors”, but nothing official.  Definitely seems like a person with an agenda...
    It doesn't matter what the motivation was. 
    Of course it does.  If it was racially or politically motivated, it matters.  Understanding a person’s motive is paramount in helping prevent future attacks.  If his motive was that he is part of a political fringe group planning more of these, then it would matter.


    All that matters is easy access to a gun.  Understanding that preventing easy access to an instrument design to inflict maximum human casualty is paramount to preventing future attacks.  Stop shifting the conversation from what the problem actually is: guns.  

    It can not be stated more clearly:  Guns are the problem.  Gun laws are the solution.  

    It has been proven time and time again.  Other countries with more gun laws have less guns violence and death.  States with more gun laws have less gun violence and death.  It is clear as the day is long.  Guns = gun violence.
    Exactly.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    tempo_n_groove said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Any word on the guy’s motive?  I keep reading “rumors”, but nothing official.  Definitely seems like a person with an agenda...
    It doesn't matter what the motivation was. 
    Of course it does.  If it was racially or politically motivated, it matters.  Understanding a person’s motive is paramount in helping prevent future attacks.  If his motive was that he is part of a political fringe group planning more of these, then it would matter.


    All that matters is easy access to a gun.  Understanding that preventing easy access to an instrument design to inflict maximum human casualty is paramount to preventing future attacks.  Stop shifting the conversation from what the problem actually is: guns.  

    It can not be stated more clearly:  Guns are the problem.  Gun laws are the solution.  

    It has been proven time and time again.  Other countries with more gun laws have less guns violence and death.  States with more gun laws have less gun violence and death.  It is clear as the day is long.  Guns = gun violence.
    Knowing what fuels people is a good way to keeping the guns out of peoples hands so I'd agree that knowing a motive IS important.

    Guns have always been available but why are people going on mass shooting sprees?

    There has to be a link somewhere as to why people are going sideways?

    You have this totally ass backwards.

    There always have been, and always will be people who are sideways. 

    What changed is their ability scale up the damage they can cause. 

    more guns = more guns violence  
    full stop

    Why is this so difficult for people to understand?


  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    They say the police found him so quickly because the smoke from the gunfire set off the fire alarm in his room and they were able to pinpoint where he was.  Considering the amount of weapons and ammo he never used it could have been a lot worse.
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  • drakeheuer14
    drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,619
    I wish they wouldn’t give out the persons name. I get that we have a right to know, but it just gives them the extra attention they may have wanted. Society shouldn’t give them that glory to be known for doing such a horiffic thing. It probably really affects the lives of those closely related too by giving out the name. The brother is already being harassed by the news. 
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  • brianlux
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    Thank you, Jimmy Kimmel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruYeBXudsds

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    -Roberto Benigni

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