Hillary Clinton: What happened

Kat

My thoughts about this ,,,
"I​ ​really​ ​was​ ​not​ ​ready​ ​or​ ​equipped​ ​to​ ​run​ ​for​ ​president​ ​against​ ​a​ ​reality​ ​TV candidate," @HillaryClinton says"
...are that Hillary had prepared herself to run against a politically traditional candidate and trump just wasn't that. It's a simple statement of fact that she makes there, accepting responsibility for it too....like the adult that she is.

CM189191

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

CM189191 said:

JC29856 said:

I really wasn't ready to run against a monkey that was dropped on his baby monkey head either

What a very polite way of saying " I under-estimated the stupidity of the average voter. "

To be fair, stupidity rests on the people that allowed President Trump to win.

Those people fall into 2 categories: 
People who voted for tRump
People who didn't vote for Hillary 

brianlux

Kat said:

My thoughts about this ,,,
"I​ ​really​ ​was​ ​not​ ​ready​ ​or​ ​equipped​ ​to​ ​run​ ​for​ ​president​ ​against​ ​a​ ​reality​ ​TV candidate," @HillaryClinton says"
...are that Hillary had prepared herself to run against a politically traditional candidate and trump just wasn't that. It's a simple statement of fact that she makes there, accepting responsibility for it too....like the adult that she is.

True, but to me that says that either Hillary wasn't prepared to run against an idiot that any bright candidate could beat or the American voting public is so full of brain dead people it doesn't matter.  I just don't see how we got to where we are.  We really need to focus on improving American education (and, dare I say it? the gene pool?) and get our collective heads out of our (orifice).

elvistheking44

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

JC29856 said:

https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/908816478945685504

I really wasn't ready to run against a monkey that was dropped on his baby monkey head either

She just needs to go away.  She lost to Donald Trump

This sounds like one of Trumps tweets.  "I wasn't prepared to run against some one so stupid."

Bentleyspop

CM189191 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

CM189191 said:

JC29856 said:

I really wasn't ready to run against a monkey that was dropped on his baby monkey head either

What a very polite way of saying " I under-estimated the stupidity of the average voter. "

To be fair, stupidity rests on the people that allowed President Trump to win.

Those people fall into 2 categories: 
People who voted for tRump
People who didn't vote for Hillary 

There are additional categories of stupidity....
People who continue to support and believe him no matter what he says. No matter how ignorant or hateful. Or how much he lies.
People who didn't vote for him but support him
People who can't  vote and support him
People who aren't  American and support him

HughFreakingDillon

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

What kind of message does it portray to women that standing by your husbands infidelity is ok?  She is so pathetic and weak.  The only thing I think of when I hear her name or see her face is Bill Clinton getting oral sex in the oval office from someone other than her.  She has no platform to speak to women or girls on any issue of empowerment after not ditching her husband.

lots of people work through marital issues. that doesn't make her weak. and you have no idea how they dealt with it behind closed doors. if anyone was weak, it's bill. not hillary. 

PJfanwillneverleave1

brianlux said:

Kat said:

My thoughts about this ,,,
"I​ ​really​ ​was​ ​not​ ​ready​ ​or​ ​equipped​ ​to​ ​run​ ​for​ ​president​ ​against​ ​a​ ​reality​ ​TV candidate," @HillaryClinton says"
...are that Hillary had prepared herself to run against a politically traditional candidate and trump just wasn't that. It's a simple statement of fact that she makes there, accepting responsibility for it too....like the adult that she is.

True, but to me that says that either Hillary wasn't prepared to run against an idiot that any bright candidate could beat or the American voting public is so full of brain dead people it doesn't matter.  I just don't see how we got to where we are.  We really need to focus on improving American education (and, dare I say it? the gene pool?) and get our collective heads out of our (orifice).

This is interesting.  From this article http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-trump-twitter-20170917-story.html
Perhaps the morning broadside was just Trump’s way of hitting back, a reminder of his pugilistic instincts honed by the raucous ethos of reality TV. In recent days, Clinton has called him a “clear and present danger” to American democracy, and noted that she won 2.9 million more votes than he did on election day, as she touts her memoir of the 2016 election, “What Happened.”

Halifax2TheMax

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

brianlux said:

Kat said:

My thoughts about this ,,,
"I​ ​really​ ​was​ ​not​ ​ready​ ​or​ ​equipped​ ​to​ ​run​ ​for​ ​president​ ​against​ ​a​ ​reality​ ​TV candidate," @HillaryClinton says"
...are that Hillary had prepared herself to run against a politically traditional candidate and trump just wasn't that. It's a simple statement of fact that she makes there, accepting responsibility for it too....like the adult that she is.

True, but to me that says that either Hillary wasn't prepared to run against an idiot that any bright candidate could beat or the American voting public is so full of brain dead people it doesn't matter.  I just don't see how we got to where we are.  We really need to focus on improving American education (and, dare I say it? the gene pool?) and get our collective heads out of our (orifice).

This is interesting.  From this article http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-trump-twitter-20170917-story.html
Perhaps the morning broadside was just Trump’s way of hitting back, a reminder of his pugilistic instincts honed by the raucous ethos of reality TV. In recent days, Clinton has called him a “clear and present danger” to American democracy, and noted that she won 2.9 million more votes than he did on election day, as she touts her memoir of the 2016 election, “What Happened.”

I didn't know he had a relationship with Sir Elton. Whatever floats your boat. NTTIAWWT.

cincybearcat

Kat said:

My thoughts about this ,,,
"I​ ​really​ ​was​ ​not​ ​ready​ ​or​ ​equipped​ ​to​ ​run​ ​for​ ​president​ ​against​ ​a​ ​reality​ ​TV candidate," @HillaryClinton says"
...are that Hillary had prepared herself to run against a politically traditional candidate and trump just wasn't that. It's a simple statement of fact that she makes there, accepting responsibility for it too....like the adult that she is.

Her choice of words is about deflecting blame from herself....always is.  It an excuse...I lost because trump was a weird candidate and it was a weird campaign.  Shame on trump for not making it a normal campaign!  And stuff like this is why she lost.

Oh well, it's already done anyhow.  The Dems ran the worst possible candidate against trump....they ran a bland boring campaign and they screwed us all over by doing so.  Not as much as the Republicans that voted for trump, but pretty dang close.

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

My thoughts about this ,,,
"I​ ​really​ ​was​ ​not​ ​ready​ ​or​ ​equipped​ ​to​ ​run​ ​for​ ​president​ ​against​ ​a​ ​reality​ ​TV candidate," @HillaryClinton says"
...are that Hillary had prepared herself to run against a politically traditional candidate and trump just wasn't that. It's a simple statement of fact that she makes there, accepting responsibility for it too....like the adult that she is.

Her choice of words is about deflecting blame from herself....always is.  It an excuse...I lost because trump was a weird candidate and it was a weird campaign.  Shame on trump for not making it a normal campaign!  And stuff like this is why she lost.

Oh well, it's already done anyhow.  The Dems ran the worst possible candidate against trump....they ran a bland boring campaign and they screwed us all over by doing so.  Not as much as the Republicans that voted for trump, but pretty dang close.

I can see how it would be taken that way, but I disagree. I think it's a slight "dig" at Trump, but at the same time, admitting she couldn't adapt to his style of campaigning. that is a clear shot at herself. 

JC29856

if you read the emails, those "Russian Wikileaks emails", what she is saying, I was prepared to run against Jeb, once it was obvious Jeb was disinterested the focus was Rubio, I like the rest of humanity had no idea Trump would be the gop nominee, I was not prepared for Trump.

plan: Elevate the pied piper candidate to inflict damage on Jeb (what happened to Jeb?) then turn the pied piper candidate on Rubio (what happened to Rubio?).
no plan: versus the pied piper candidate we elevated (oh shit! what now?)
audible: racism, sexism, Russian Russian Russia, racism, sexism, Russia Russia Russia, racism, sexism, Russian Russian Russia, racism, sexism, Russia Russia Russia

CM189191

JC29856 said:

if you read the emails, those "Russian Wikileaks emails", what she is saying, I was prepared to run against Jeb, once it was obvious Jeb was disinterested the focus was Rubio, I like the rest of humanity had no idea Trump would be the gop nominee, I was not prepared for Trump.

plan: Elevate the pied piper candidate to inflict damage on Jeb (what happened to Jeb?) then turn the pied piper candidate on Rubio (what happened to Rubio?).
no plan: versus the pied piper candidate we elevated (oh shit! what now?)
audible: racism, sexism, Russian Russian Russia, racism, sexism, Russia Russia Russia, racism, sexism, Russian Russian Russia, racism, sexism, Russia Russia Russia

so the DNC was diabolical enough to use tRump as a pawn against Jeb and Rubio.  

but too incompetent to ultimately conquer the monster they created.  

audible: derp derp derp

JC29856

CM189191 said:

JC29856 said:

if you read the emails, those "Russian Wikileaks emails", what she is saying, I was prepared to run against Jeb, once it was obvious Jeb was disinterested the focus was Rubio, I like the rest of humanity had no idea Trump would be the gop nominee, I was not prepared for Trump.

plan: Elevate the pied piper candidate to inflict damage on Jeb (what happened to Jeb?) then turn the pied piper candidate on Rubio (what happened to Rubio?).
no plan: versus the pied piper candidate we elevated (oh shit! what now?)
audible: racism, sexism, Russian Russian Russia, racism, sexism, Russia Russia Russia, racism, sexism, Russian Russian Russia, racism, sexism, Russia Russia Russia

so the DNC was diabolical enough to use tRump as a pawn against Jeb and Rubio.  

but too incompetent to ultimately conquer the monster they created.  

audible: derp derp derp

Podesta worked for Hillary not the DNC. If you would have read the emails you would know that.
You're saying they created the monster, emails or I made no such claim.
If you're adverse to going directly to the source
here is salons take:
http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

counterpunch:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/11/elevating-trump/

JC29856

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/18/16305486/what-really-happened-in-2016

Trump and Clinton were the No. 1 and No. 2 least-popular nominees on record, and it wasn’t particularly close. It seems very likely that if Clinton had been as well-liked as John Kerry, Al Gore, or Michael Dukakis that she would be president today, and that if Trump had been as well-liked as Mitt Romney, John McCain, or Bob Dole he’d have won the popular vote.

Trump is president whereas Mitt Romney lost in 2012. But Trump actually received a slightly smaller share of the vote than Romney did — a bit below 46 percent for Trump versus a bit above 47 percent for Romney. The big difference, nationally, is that Clinton did a lot worse than Obama and third-party candidates did a lot better.

The same holds for a critical subset of the population: white voters. Romney got 59 percent of the white vote in 2012 and still lost the election...Trump, however, won the election with just 58 percent of the white vote thanks to Clinton slipping to 37 percent down from Obama’s 39 percent

If you don’t like Trump and never did and find yourself baffled as to how the voters could have possibly disagreed with you, the answer is simple: They didn’t. He was able to win not just because of the Electoral College, but because most voters also didn’t like his opponent.

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

My thoughts about this ,,,
"I​ ​really​ ​was​ ​not​ ​ready​ ​or​ ​equipped​ ​to​ ​run​ ​for​ ​president​ ​against​ ​a​ ​reality​ ​TV candidate," @HillaryClinton says"
...are that Hillary had prepared herself to run against a politically traditional candidate and trump just wasn't that. It's a simple statement of fact that she makes there, accepting responsibility for it too....like the adult that she is.

Her choice of words is about deflecting blame from herself....always is.  It an excuse...I lost because trump was a weird candidate and it was a weird campaign.  Shame on trump for not making it a normal campaign!  And stuff like this is why she lost.

Oh well, it's already done anyhow.  The Dems ran the worst possible candidate against trump....they ran a bland boring campaign and they screwed us all over by doing so.  Not as much as the Republicans that voted for trump, but pretty dang close.

I can see how it would be taken that way, but I disagree. I think it's a slight "dig" at Trump, but at the same time, admitting she couldn't adapt to his style of campaigning. that is a clear shot at herself. 

Perhaps.  I'm angry about all this .... heck I'm not a Hills fan and I voted for her...so maybe I'm reading through angry eyes

Gern Blansten

JC29856 said:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/18/16305486/what-really-happened-in-2016

Trump and Clinton were the No. 1 and No. 2 least-popular nominees on record, and it wasn’t particularly close. It seems very likely that if Clinton had been as well-liked as John Kerry, Al Gore, or Michael Dukakis that she would be president today, and that if Trump had been as well-liked as Mitt Romney, John McCain, or Bob Dole he’d have won the popular vote.

Trump is president whereas Mitt Romney lost in 2012. But Trump actually received a slightly smaller share of the vote than Romney did — a bit below 46 percent for Trump versus a bit above 47 percent for Romney. The big difference, nationally, is that Clinton did a lot worse than Obama and third-party candidates did a lot better.

The same holds for a critical subset of the population: white voters. Romney got 59 percent of the white vote in 2012 and still lost the election...Trump, however, won the election with just 58 percent of the white vote thanks to Clinton slipping to 37 percent down from Obama’s 39 percent

If you don’t like Trump and never did and find yourself baffled as to how the voters could have possibly disagreed with you, the answer is simple: They didn’t. He was able to win not just because of the Electoral College, but because most voters also didn’t like his opponent.

I would say it related more to the Comey bullshit.  The last minute gut punch that should have never been brought up.

HughFreakingDillon

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

What kind of message does it portray to women that standing by your husbands infidelity is ok?  She is so pathetic and weak.  The only thing I think of when I hear her name or see her face is Bill Clinton getting oral sex in the oval office from someone other than her.  She has no platform to speak to women or girls on any issue of empowerment after not ditching her husband.

what kind of message does it portray to women that by standing by your husband's P grabbing and sexual assault is ok? not to mention his online bullying, which she took on as her only job in the WH.

Melania is so pathetic and weak. 

CM189191

JC29856 said:

 most voters also didn’t like his opponent.

that's just categorically false.  most voters preferred Hillary.

You remind me of a child learning to speak.  You make a lot of noise, but don't really ever get to the point or say anything worth listening to.

On the rare occasion you actually do say something coherent, it's to let every know you shit yourself.

JC29856

CM189191 said:

JC29856 said:

 most voters also didn’t like his opponent.

that's just categorically false.  most voters preferred Hillary.

You remind me of a child learning to speak.  You make a lot of noise, but don't really ever get to the point or say anything worth listening to.

On the rare occasion you actually do say something coherent, it's to let every know you shit yourself.

You any good a properly changing a diaper?
I kinda already stated much of what was in that piece in a previous posts, you may have bumped your head those days.
To your point, Im not sure if Matt is referring to all registered voters or just those that voted in 2016.
We know many voters decided to sit that one out, just compare Obamas vote totals to Hillarys.
A fascinating argument (I stated my opinion previously) given all of the available data, Hillarys messages, campaign ads, including Hillary & Co campaign "plans" depicted in those "Russian Wikileaks emails", did Hillary get more "against Trump votes" or more "for Hillary" votes?  

Go Beavers

JC29856 said:

CM189191 said:

JC29856 said:

 most voters also didn’t like his opponent.

that's just categorically false.  most voters preferred Hillary.

You remind me of a child learning to speak.  You make a lot of noise, but don't really ever get to the point or say anything worth listening to.

On the rare occasion you actually do say something coherent, it's to let every know you shit yourself.

You any good a properly changing a diaper?
I kinda already stated much of what was in that piece in a previous posts, you may have bumped your head those days.
To your point, Im not sure if Matt is referring to all registered voters or just those that voted in 2016.
We know many voters decided to sit that one out, just compare Obamas vote totals to Hillarys.
A fascinating argument (I stated my opinion previously) given all of the available data, Hillarys messages, campaign ads, including Hillary & Co campaign "plans" depicted in those "Russian Wikileaks emails", did Hillary get more "against Trump votes" or more "for Hillary" votes?  

What the articles you keep posting avoid are the "for trump" votes. As hard as it is to digest that people enthusiastically voted for a guy with no redeeming qualities, they carry more responsibility than Clinton being unpopular.