The Concept of God

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    rgambs said:
    I watched a documentary once about ham and terrorism and the comedy of war.
    In it, John Candy led me to believe that Canadians don't argue like this.

    Honor John Candy's memory and Rhea Pearlman's continued greatness.
    Please.
    I beg of you.
    "The Secret Lives of Canadians" 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    rgambs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I disagree. I think one can have a different belief on how something works yet still have an equal appreciation for it. 
    I disagree.
    Are you telling me that any old Joe can have an equal appreciation for a masterpiece symphony to a composer or performer?
    Can someone who doesn't know how to make Kraft Mac and cheese have an equal appreciation for the finest gourmet meal?
    You have to truly know something to truly appreciate it.
    so because I'm a musician means I'm a bigger fan of Pearl Jam than a non-musician? I don't agree with that at all. 
    Being a "fan" is not the same thing as having a deep appreciation for something. 

    Part of the definition of "appreciate" deals with having an understanding. 
    I knew semantics were going to come into play here. let me rephrase:

    so because I'm a musician means I have a deeper appreciation of Pearl Jam than a non-musician?
    Yes.

    Being able to understand the underlying structures of the musical compositions places you in a position to appreciate the music in a way musically illiterate people such as myself cannot do.

    I know what songs sound great, but I can't profess to know much other than that.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,661
    Not sure if we have done this before here, but a good read from Mr. Rollins on religion.  You can read the full text of his L.A. Weekly article in his Before the Chop books (volume three was released recent- an excellent read.)

    http://www.laweekly.com/music/henry-rollins-why-im-not-an-atheist-5403137

    By the way, after having conversed a few times in the past, Mr. Rollins has blocked my emails, probably because I criticized him for saying he wouldn't mind going into a dangerous place where his life would be at risk.  Oh, the sin of being a fan.  I still am, despite my banishment.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,661
    Out of pure curiosity Brian, why was you saying he wouldn't mind going into a dangerous place where his life would be at risk a criticism at all, let alone one that may have caused him to block your email address?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,661
    PJ_Soul said:
    Out of pure curiosity Brian, why was you saying he wouldn't mind going into a dangerous place where his life would be at risk a criticism at all, let alone one that may have caused him to block your email address?
    I can't find or exactly remember it right now (auuuhh, I hate it that my memory isn't so sharp these days, so don't quote me on any of this) but I was listening to one of Henry and Heidi's podcasts and Rollins said something about how he wouldn't mind going to some dangerous place. I think he even implied something about not minding if he put himself in mortal danger.  So I emailed him and said something about that he must have taken as a criticism.  Shit, I just don't want the man to do himself in before his time but then I guess that's really NOMDB (none of my damn business).  Sorry H.R.! 

    I've gotten some very kind responses in the past from Henry but I guess I crossed a line with whatever I said.  That's OK, I'm still a fan.  I'm reading his latest book, After the Chop III and enjoying it as much as most of his other books. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • FoxyRedLa
    FoxyRedLa Lauren / MI Posts: 4,810
    1500 year old Bible confirms JC was not crucified 

    http://empirehome.info/index.php/2017/08/15/1500-year-old-bible-confirms-that-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified/
    Oh please let it rain today.
    Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
  • FoxyRedLa
    FoxyRedLa Lauren / MI Posts: 4,810
    PJ_Soul said:
    FoxyRedLa said:
    Are we stating facts or opinions now?? :lol:
    What are you looking for with this question? Am I supposed to say that creationism is a valid belief system now or what?
    A :lol: . That is all.
    Oh please let it rain today.
    Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    FoxyRedLa said:
    1500 year old Bible confirms JC was not crucified 

    http://empirehome.info/index.php/2017/08/15/1500-year-old-bible-confirms-that-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified/
    I don't know how any religious text can "confirm" anything, regardless if it fits into my own beliefs or not. 
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    That is a very, very good point.


  • FoxyRedLa
    FoxyRedLa Lauren / MI Posts: 4,810
    I'm not even certain the site is reputable. Just thought I'd share.

    I've been taking everyone's opinion/thoughts/views into consideration and have been thinking a lot. Been thinking about my kids. As usual.
    Oh please let it rain today.
    Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,661
    My wife tells the story about a woman who came into the bookstore and asked if we had "the original Bible".  My wife said, "Do you mean an older Bible like a King James version?"  The woman said said, "No! I want the original Bible!"

    It's too bad we didn't have it.  It might have answered some of the questions here!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Shyner
    Shyner Posts: 1,226
    edited August 2017
    Mr backspacer


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,661
    Shyner said:
    I think too much is put into history and books while spirit and future should write truth presently. 


    This sounds like an interesting statement even though I have only the vaguest idea what you mean.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    FoxyRedLa said:
    I'm not even certain the site is reputable. Just thought I'd share.

    I've been taking everyone's opinion/thoughts/views into consideration and have been thinking a lot. Been thinking about my kids. As usual.
    yeah. I had never seen that site before, so i was wary of the content as well. my comment wasn't directed at you, more the content of the article. if an atheist doesn't believe in god, why would they take this book as confirmation that jesus didn't get crucified? and yet, he went to heaven while still alive. how the hell does that work?
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    brianlux said:
    My wife tells the story about a woman who came into the bookstore and asked if we had "the original Bible".  My wife said, "Do you mean an older Bible like a King James version?"  The woman said said, "No! I want the original Bible!"

    It's too bad we didn't have it.  It might have answered some of the questions here!
    The very first one ever written?

    Lol. Go get some chocolate milk, lady.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • FoxyRedLa
    FoxyRedLa Lauren / MI Posts: 4,810
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    FoxyRedLa said:
    I'm not even certain the site is reputable. Just thought I'd share.

    I've been taking everyone's opinion/thoughts/views into consideration and have been thinking a lot. Been thinking about my kids. As usual.
    yeah. I had never seen that site before, so i was wary of the content as well. my comment wasn't directed at you, more the content of the article. if an atheist doesn't believe in god, why would they take this book as confirmation that jesus didn't get crucified? and yet, he went to heaven while still alive. how the hell does that work?
    I agree. I wandered into the corny jokes thread. Smh. Some jesus jokes in there. Wow.
    Oh please let it rain today.
    Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,661
    edited August 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    FoxyRedLa said:
    I'm not even certain the site is reputable. Just thought I'd share.

    I've been taking everyone's opinion/thoughts/views into consideration and have been thinking a lot. Been thinking about my kids. As usual.
    yeah. I had never seen that site before, so i was wary of the content as well. my comment wasn't directed at you, more the content of the article. if an atheist doesn't believe in god, why would they take this book as confirmation that jesus didn't get crucified? and yet, he went to heaven while still alive. how the hell does that work?
    An Atheist doesn't necessarily reject the existence of Jesus or his crucifixion. There is definitely a solid debate about whether or not Jesus was a real man or not (I am personally on the fence on that one), but I think the majority of Atheists probably still think that Jesus was a real guy who went around preaching and who started the religion that eventually became Christianity. I personally think that, if he did exist at all (again, there are some convincing arguments to suggest this isn't the case, but others to suggest it is), he was basically like David Koresh or Jim Jones, but with a much better personality, and not evil. And Christianity can more be almost wholly attributed to his surviving apostles and everything that happened after Jesus was killed (if he was). I'm sure that, if Jesus knew what became of his teachings over the past 2000 or so years, he'd take it all back and kept his mouth shut.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    I know they don't. My point was that atheists reject the historical accuracy of a religious text, which this is. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,661
    edited August 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I know they don't. My point was that atheists reject the historical accuracy of a religious text, which this is. 
    True, but most acknowledge that there are still parts of the Bible that are at least partially based on reality. That's just a fact. Obviously, the term "historical accuracy" doesn't work, but still...
    Hell, a large part of the Bible isn't even an accurate record of the Bible. It's been rewritten and manipulated and changed so much over the centuries.
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    which parts of the bible are based in reality? besides the possible/probable existence of certain humans, of course. I can't think of any right now. Although, I haven't read it in a couple decades. LOL
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