And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
You are in for an enormous unfathomable wake up call one of these days pjsoul, just giving you the heads-up. That my friend is reality.
It probably won't be today or tomorrow but You'll see.
And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
You are in for an enormous unfathomable wake up call one of these days pjsoul, just giving you the heads-up. That my friend is reality.
It probably won't be today or tomorrow but You'll see.
brianlux
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What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:
the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.
I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.
For a while there was a thread titled "McCready is God". Do you suppose they were on to something? I don't think Mike is the world's greatest guitar player, but he's damn good (oops, sorry, God) and he'd make a fine god, wouldn't you say?
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
For a while there was a thread titled "McCready is God". Do you suppose they were on to something? I don't think Mike is the world's greatest guitar player, but he's damn good (oops, sorry, God) and he'd make a fine god, wouldn't you say?
He's pretty good. Was trying to start a sing along... lol
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What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:
the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.
I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.
No Brian there is no rapture. The word rapture isn't in the Bible. The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.
And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical.
i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
You are in for an enormous unfathomable wake up call one of these days pjsoul, just giving you the heads-up. That my friend is reality.
and this is the other end of the "I know the unknowable" spectrum.
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"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical.
i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.
I can't fathom how you fail to see the difference in the two. One is a theoey based on advanced and incredible volumes of collected and tested knowledge from a rigourous system of reason, logic, and accountability. The other is a proclaimed certainty delivered by revelation which is utterly fraught with contradictions and glaring impossibilities.
And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
just to expand on this, the same could be said about aliens. I think it is unfathomable that they DON'T exist, however, I find it just as unfathomable that they've been here without the masses knowing about it while the government does (if they have the technology to get here, surely they have the superior intellect/resources to avoid capture by puny humans). yet, there are people, many people, that swear they've had an extra-terrestrial encounter. others in the military that swear they've been to bunkers with aliens imprisoned. I'm not going to sit here on my soapbox and tell someone they are full of shit just because I haven't personally experienced it. I think it's entirely possible they are telling the truth. I also think it's entirely possible they experienced something else entirely.
my point is, there's no way for me to know either way. there's no way for anyone to know. belief and knowledge are two different things. language is important.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,300
What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:
the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.
I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.
No Brian there is no rapture. The word rapture isn't in the Bible. The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.
Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!
If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical.
i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.
I can't fathom how you fail to see the difference in the two. One is a theoey based on advanced and incredible volumes of collected and tested knowledge from a rigourous system of reason, logic, and accountability. The other is a proclaimed certainty delivered by revelation which is utterly fraught with contradictions and glaring impossibilities.
I'm not talking about religion.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical.
i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.
I can't fathom how you fail to see the difference in the two. One is a theoey based on advanced and incredible volumes of collected and tested knowledge from a rigourous system of reason, logic, and accountability. The other is a proclaimed certainty delivered by revelation which is utterly fraught with contradictions and glaring impossibilities.
And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical.
i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.
I can't fathom how you fail to see the difference in the two. One is a theoey based on advanced and incredible volumes of collected and tested knowledge from a rigourous system of reason, logic, and accountability. The other is a proclaimed certainty delivered by revelation which is utterly fraught with contradictions and glaring impossibilities.
in essence, if we are living in a simulation, that would make the programmer "god" (or more specifically, "the creator"). so how you can say there is no god but there is a creator IS in fact a contradictory statement.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:
the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.
I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.
No Brian there is no rapture. The word rapture isn't in the Bible. The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.
Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!
If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?
I'll take a guess. When we get rejected at the pearly gates?
And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical.
i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.
I can't fathom how you fail to see the difference in the two. One is a theoey based on advanced and incredible volumes of collected and tested knowledge from a rigourous system of reason, logic, and accountability. The other is a proclaimed certainty delivered by revelation which is utterly fraught with contradictions and glaring impossibilities.
in essence, if we are living in a simulation, that would make the programmer "god" (or more specifically, "the creator"). so how you can say there is no god but there is a creator IS in fact a contradictory statement.
But Hawking's theory had nothing to do with a programmed simulation, that's an incorrect and lay way of describing it and it convolutes the meaning entirely. It is about "holographic projection", yes, but that's only a way of describing a mathematical model that people can understand, it isn't literal.
It's that huge distance between devising concrete notions of creation by a sentient God and searching endlessly for new and more accurate ways of describing the universe as we understand it that makes such a huge difference in the rationality of believing.
And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical.
i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.
I can't fathom how you fail to see the difference in the two. One is a theoey based on advanced and incredible volumes of collected and tested knowledge from a rigourous system of reason, logic, and accountability. The other is a proclaimed certainty delivered by revelation which is utterly fraught with contradictions and glaring impossibilities.
in essence, if we are living in a simulation, that would make the programmer "god" (or more specifically, "the creator"). so how you can say there is no god but there is a creator IS in fact a contradictory statement.
But Hawking's theory had nothing to do with a programmed simulation, that's an incorrect and lay way of describing it and it convolutes the meaning entirely. It is about "holographic projection", yes, but that's only a way of describing a mathematical model that people can understand, it isn't literal.
It's that huge distance between devising concrete notions of creation by a sentient God and searching endlessly for new and more accurate ways of describing the universe as we understand it that makes such a huge difference in the rationality of believing.
I have no problem admitting you have lost me here, gambs.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical.
i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.
No, I did not say it's logical. I said it's not as preposterous. I said that it's at least scientifically
feasible, unlike God, because holographic simulations actually exist.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:
the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.
I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.
No Brian there is no rapture. The word rapture isn't in the Bible. The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.
Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!
If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?
Quoting the Bible when trying to tell an Atheist he or she is sinful and wicked (and that is what you're calling me with that quote) is pretty much the most pointless method for discussion possible.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:
the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.
I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.
No Brian there is no rapture. The word rapture isn't in the Bible. The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.
Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!
If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?
"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
...Stephen F Roberts
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018) The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:
the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.
I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.
No Brian there is no rapture. The word rapture isn't in the Bible. The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.
Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!
If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?
"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
...Stephen F Roberts
That's a good quote. I would argue that it doesn't quite cover all the bases, since the belief that the concept of any God is ludicrous doesn't apply to someone who believes in any god. But still, it makes a point that might at least make a believer think for a second.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:
the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.
I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.
No Brian there is no rapture. The word rapture isn't in the Bible. The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.
Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!
If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?
What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:
the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.
I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.
No Brian there is no rapture. The word rapture isn't in the Bible. The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.
Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!
If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?
What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from). My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture". In fact, according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby. And according to this article:
the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.
I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run. According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.
No Brian there is no rapture. The word rapture isn't in the Bible. The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.
Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!
If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2&version=KJV
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Was trying to start a sing along... lol
The word rapture isn't in the Bible.
The Rapture Theory started around 1830 because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.
i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
One is a theoey based on advanced and incredible volumes of collected and tested knowledge from a rigourous system of reason, logic, and accountability.
The other is a proclaimed certainty delivered by revelation which is utterly fraught with contradictions and glaring impossibilities.
my point is, there's no way for me to know either way. there's no way for anyone to know. belief and knowledge are two different things. language is important.
-EV 8/14/93
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
It is about "holographic projection", yes, but that's only a way of describing a mathematical model that people can understand, it isn't literal.
It's that huge distance between devising concrete notions of creation by a sentient God and searching endlessly for new and more accurate ways of describing the universe as we understand it that makes such a huge difference in the rationality of believing.
-EV 8/14/93
No, I did not say it's logical. I said it's not as preposterous. I said that it's at least scientifically feasible, unlike God, because holographic simulations actually exist.
Here it is again.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2&version=KJV
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
Pope says we're all good. I'll side with the Pope.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
-EV 8/14/93