Donald Trump

i_lov_it

Surely he's not as Bad as this Guy..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Harrison

i_lov_it

Wounded Knee springs to mind...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre

HughFreakingDillon

jesus. I go down to the lunch room to turn on CNN and some ADULT is watching fucking Hotel Transylvania on the kids cartoon network. WTF?

tbergs

HughFreakingDillon said:

jesus. I go down to the lunch room to turn on CNN and some ADULT is watching fucking Hotel Transylvania on the kids cartoon network. WTF?

You sure it wasn't a live stream in to Trump's bed room of what he's watching before nap time

HughFreakingDillon

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jesus. I go down to the lunch room to turn on CNN and some ADULT is watching fucking Hotel Transylvania on the kids cartoon network. WTF?

You sure it wasn't a live stream in to Trump's bed room of what he's watching before nap time

Excellent point. 

Halifax2TheMax

Team Trump Treason will have the US at war in late 2019/early 2020, to you know, increase his re-election chances.

my2hands

Halifax2TheMax said:

Team Trump Treason will have the US at war in late 2019/early 2020, to you know, increase his re-election chances.

I've been telling this to my gf for the last 6-8 months... the hawks and war profiteers know they have the perfect bafoon to do their bidding and take the fall

my2hands

What im reading about this CIA appointee,  she should be in prison for war crimes instead of running the CIA 

I despise everything this presidency stands for

Halifax2TheMax

Yea, I’d like a bucket of extra crispy, a side of mashed and give me quadruple gravy. Oh, and send a side of biscuits to Rex.

dignin

cincybearcat said:

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RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Hannity is reporting that as soon as tonight news of “no collision found” will be out as meuller’s investigation findings.   We already knew this but 18 months is a long time for nothing

Here's what he's talking about.

House GOP says no evidence of collusion as they end Russia probe

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/politics/house-republicans-russia-conclusions/index.html

This is the problem with roughly 50% (or more) of American voters. House GOP says no evidence of collusion and they take it to mean that Mueller has found no evidence of collusion too. Low info voters = win for the Republicans.

Well ... it works for the Dems too when they can get them to the polls. In fact if all low info voters actually voted, Dems would win in a landslide

So we agree that most Republicans are low info voters?

And I haven't seen the stats behind the claim that most low info non-voters are democrats. Can you post the evidence here?

No, we don’t agree. That’s not what I said at all. Where are your stats to back that up?

Im better that a large % of non-voters are low info. And when the Dems mobilize that group, they gain a lot more votes than GOP.

Trump and his continued popularity among Republicans is all the evidence anyone should need.

Still waiting for some evidence that low info non-voters are democrats.

Well that's not evidence at all.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/opinion/voter-turnout-democrats-republicans.html

Perhaps you are not understanding what I'm saying.  I believe there are likely very similar low info voters %-wise in each party.  But there are more democrats/liberals sitting on the sidelines during a presidential election.  The Republicans get their low info voters to come out and vote the 1 or 2 issues they do know (abortion being 1).  If the Democrats can get their non voters to come out and vote the 1 or 2 issues that they actually know something about (see Obama election), they win.

I can agree with that. But I think there is definitely a case to be made that actual Republican voters are less informed than Democrat voters. All you have to do is watch one evening of the most popular "news" network in America to get that impression. Fox is misinforming Americans every night, there is no equivalent on the left.

jeffbr

tbergs said:

No need to argue over who has the most low info voters, they're everywhere and they only come out to vote when someone stokes their ire about how disenfranchised they are. It happens on both sides. It just so happens that this last time they voted for the worst candidate the GOP has ever endorsed.

Agreed. That is why I hate "Get Out The Vote" campaigns, or "Vote For Change" movements. The voters who are informed and actually care, are already planning on voting. All these awareness campaigns do is bring out the lowest common denominator as if voting numbers is the goal. My goal would be to have everyone who does vote actually understand the issues or candidates for which/whom they're casting votes.

jeffbr

OnWis97 said:

So now he's fired  Undersecretary of State Steve Goldstein for contradicting the offical reason for Tillerson's dismissal.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378133-top-tillerson-aide-fired-after-giving-contradicting-account-of-ouster

This dude is absolutely unraveling.

All aboard! Ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa! I'm going off the rails on a crazy train.

HughFreakingDillon

jeffbr said:

tbergs said:

No need to argue over who has the most low info voters, they're everywhere and they only come out to vote when someone stokes their ire about how disenfranchised they are. It happens on both sides. It just so happens that this last time they voted for the worst candidate the GOP has ever endorsed.

Agreed. That is why I hate "Get Out The Vote" campaigns, or "Vote For Change" movements. The voters who are informed and actually care, are already planning on voting. All these awareness campaigns do is bring out the lowest common denominator as if voting numbers is the goal. My goal would be to have everyone who does vote actually understand the issues or candidates for which/whom they're casting votes.

but that actually has been part of the vote for change campaigns. they try to encourage people to educate themselves, do they not?

cincybearcat

tbergs said:

No need to argue over who has the most low info voters, they're everywhere and they only come out to vote when someone stokes their ire about how disenfranchised they are. It happens on both sides. It just so happens that this last time they voted for the worst candidate the GOP has ever endorsed.

That wasn’t my intent. I think I made my point better after you posted this.

jeffbr

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

tbergs said:

No need to argue over who has the most low info voters, they're everywhere and they only come out to vote when someone stokes their ire about how disenfranchised they are. It happens on both sides. It just so happens that this last time they voted for the worst candidate the GOP has ever endorsed.

Agreed. That is why I hate "Get Out The Vote" campaigns, or "Vote For Change" movements. The voters who are informed and actually care, are already planning on voting. All these awareness campaigns do is bring out the lowest common denominator as if voting numbers is the goal. My goal would be to have everyone who does vote actually understand the issues or candidates for which/whom they're casting votes.

but that actually has been part of the vote for change campaigns. they try to encourage people to educate themselves, do they not?

I agree that for many of those campaigns that is the goal. But it seems to me that the primary objective is to increase voter turnout. Having an informed voting block is a secondary consideration. And those campaigns often don't even scratch the surface of the issues. Here's a t-shirt and a sticker. Go vote. Here's your favorite rock star telling you to vote, so go vote. Get out and vote. Get to the polls. Those are the main messages. One still has to dig, even with those campaigns, to get informed. I'm sure some do. I'm sure the majority of the perspective voters don't bother going deeper than the tweet. If they really cared, they would already be informed.

Halifax2TheMax

Classless Team Trump Treason wants to “break” the Iran deal. Guess who will pay the price of such intentional, reckless instability?

HughFreakingDillon

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

tbergs said:

No need to argue over who has the most low info voters, they're everywhere and they only come out to vote when someone stokes their ire about how disenfranchised they are. It happens on both sides. It just so happens that this last time they voted for the worst candidate the GOP has ever endorsed.

Agreed. That is why I hate "Get Out The Vote" campaigns, or "Vote For Change" movements. The voters who are informed and actually care, are already planning on voting. All these awareness campaigns do is bring out the lowest common denominator as if voting numbers is the goal. My goal would be to have everyone who does vote actually understand the issues or candidates for which/whom they're casting votes.

but that actually has been part of the vote for change campaigns. they try to encourage people to educate themselves, do they not?

I agree that for many of those campaigns that is the goal. But it seems to me that the primary objective is to increase voter turnout. Having an informed voting block is a secondary consideration. And those campaigns often don't even scratch the surface of the issues. Here's a t-shirt and a sticker. Go vote. Here's your favorite rock star telling you to vote, so go vote. Get out and vote. Get to the polls. Those are the main messages. One still has to dig, even with those campaigns, to get informed. I'm sure some do. I'm sure the majority of the perspective voters don't bother going deeper than the tweet. If they really cared, they would already be informed.

I would imagine, though, if you convinced someone to vote, then they might get interested in the issues they are voting on. 

jeffbr

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

tbergs said:

No need to argue over who has the most low info voters, they're everywhere and they only come out to vote when someone stokes their ire about how disenfranchised they are. It happens on both sides. It just so happens that this last time they voted for the worst candidate the GOP has ever endorsed.

Agreed. That is why I hate "Get Out The Vote" campaigns, or "Vote For Change" movements. The voters who are informed and actually care, are already planning on voting. All these awareness campaigns do is bring out the lowest common denominator as if voting numbers is the goal. My goal would be to have everyone who does vote actually understand the issues or candidates for which/whom they're casting votes.

but that actually has been part of the vote for change campaigns. they try to encourage people to educate themselves, do they not?

I agree that for many of those campaigns that is the goal. But it seems to me that the primary objective is to increase voter turnout. Having an informed voting block is a secondary consideration. And those campaigns often don't even scratch the surface of the issues. Here's a t-shirt and a sticker. Go vote. Here's your favorite rock star telling you to vote, so go vote. Get out and vote. Get to the polls. Those are the main messages. One still has to dig, even with those campaigns, to get informed. I'm sure some do. I'm sure the majority of the perspective voters don't bother going deeper than the tweet. If they really cared, they would already be informed.

I would imagine, though, if you convinced someone to vote, then they might get interested in the issues they are voting on. 

I hope so! I'm just not as optimistic as you are. lol. 

ikiT

Good thing Trumpito will have all that help over at the State Department to get him prepped for that meeting in May with KJU. 

The UNITED STATES ambassador to South Korea should be a pretty good contact person to start with... 

Unless the next Secretary of State is John Fucking Kerry or Hillary Clinton, I dont want to hear shit from this administration.  I'm fed up.

What a bunch of useless morons.

Halifax2TheMax

Team Trump Treason is rambling on and on about the wall and the more he speaks, the more he sounds so very uninformed. He’s blaming all the illegals and drug trafficking on California. He’s a brilliant idiot.