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  • eddiec
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    PaddyPower will give you 16/1 that she leaves him before November 8th. Worth a fiver.
  • josevolution
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    So in other words because the previous president did its ok for this one to follow suit , oh ok like the saying says two wrongs don’t make a right ...
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    And they thought Bill Clinton's hair cut was expensive.  Good Gawd!
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    edited January 2018
    Surely the first and possibly the last thing I will ever agree with Trump on:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-slams-elephant-trophies_us_5a6d1759e4b01fbbefb25ea5

    In an interview with Piers Morgan set to air Sunday night in the U.K., President Donald Trump used the word “terrible” to describe the initial decision last year by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to overturn an Obama era ban on the import of elephant trophies.

    Trump also says he does not believe the substantial fees that hunters pay to hunt elephants and other species actually go toward conservation efforts, as is often claimed, and instead are pocketed by government officials in other countries.

    Trump confirms that the ban on importing elephant trophies from the African nations of Zimbabwe and Zambia will remain in place. That was not clear after he initially put the ban reversal on hold, pending further study.  

    The Fish and Wildlife Service, overseen by Interior Department Secretary Ryan Zinke, announced on Nov. 15 that it was rescinding an Obama administration ban on the import of elephant trophies from Zimbabwe and Zambia, saying money generated by the hunting goes toward conservation efforts.

    “Legal, well-regulated sport hunting as part of a sound management program can benefit the conservation of certain species by providing incentives to local communities to conserve the species and by putting much-needed revenue back into conservation,” the service said.

    But the announcement on reversing the ban was met with scathing criticism from both the left and right. Powerful conservative media figures like Michael Savage and Laura Ingraham criticized Trump for the decision and called on him to keep the ban in place. Talk show host Ellen DeGeneres announced a campaign to persuade Trump to maintain the ban that quickly went viral through the hashtag #BeKindToElephants. 

    On Nov. 17 Trump tweeted, “Put big game trophy decision on hold until such time as I review all conservation facts. Under study for years. Will update soon with Secretary Zinke. Thank you!” 

    The announcement that he was putting the reversal on hold shocked many, primarily because his two eldest sons, Donald Jr. and Eric, are both avid hunters and have been criticized for hunting wildlife in Africa.

    Trump also is closely aligned with the National Rifle Association, which strongly lobbies for trophy hunting rights. Two days after he made that announcement, he tweeted, “Big-game trophy decision will be announced next week but will be very hard pressed to change my mind that this horror show in any way helps conservation of Elephants or any other animal.”

    That tweet led some to believe the ban would remain in place but no further announcement was made as promised.

    In his comments to Morgan, Trump said, “Well, I changed it,” referring to reversing the move to end the ban.

    He continued: “I didn’t want elephants killed and stuffed and have the tusks brought back into this [country] and people can talk all they want about preservation and all of the things that they’re saying where money goes towards ― well, money WAS going ― in that case, going to a government which was probably taking the money, OK? I turned that order around. You know, that was an order. I totally turned it around. Were you shocked that I did it?”

    Morgan: “I was surprised.”

    Trump: “I thought it was terrible. That was done by a very high level government person. As soon as I heard about it, I turned it around. That same day ― not even a day went by. No, I was not believing in [the conservation argument].”

    The interview with Morgan is Trump’s first major sit-down interview with a non-U.S. television network and airs at 10 p.m. Sunday on ITV.


    Also, just gotta say that the phrase " That was not clear after he initially put the ban reversal on hold"  makes my head hurt

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  • Surely the first and possibly the last thing I will ever agree with Trump on:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-slams-elephant-trophies_us_5a6d1759e4b01fbbefb25ea5

    In an interview with Piers Morgan set to air Sunday night in the U.K., President Donald Trump used the word “terrible” to describe the initial decision last year by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to overturn an Obama era ban on the import of elephant trophies.

    Trump also says he does not believe the substantial fees that hunters pay to hunt elephants and other species actually go toward conservation efforts, as is often claimed, and instead are pocketed by government officials in other countries.

    Trump confirms that the ban on importing elephant trophies from the African nations of Zimbabwe and Zambia will remain in place. That was not clear after he initially put the ban reversal on hold, pending further study.  

    The Fish and Wildlife Service, overseen by Interior Department Secretary Ryan Zinke, announced on Nov. 15 that it was rescinding an Obama administration ban on the import of elephant trophies from Zimbabwe and Zambia, saying money generated by the hunting goes toward conservation efforts.

    “Legal, well-regulated sport hunting as part of a sound management program can benefit the conservation of certain species by providing incentives to local communities to conserve the species and by putting much-needed revenue back into conservation,” the service said.

    But the announcement on reversing the ban was met with scathing criticism from both the left and right. Powerful conservative media figures like Michael Savage and Laura Ingraham criticized Trump for the decision and called on him to keep the ban in place. Talk show host Ellen DeGeneres announced a campaign to persuade Trump to maintain the ban that quickly went viral through the hashtag #BeKindToElephants. 

    On Nov. 17 Trump tweeted, “Put big game trophy decision on hold until such time as I review all conservation facts. Under study for years. Will update soon with Secretary Zinke. Thank you!” 

    The announcement that he was putting the reversal on hold shocked many, primarily because his two eldest sons, Donald Jr. and Eric, are both avid hunters and have been criticized for hunting wildlife in Africa.

    Trump also is closely aligned with the National Rifle Association, which strongly lobbies for trophy hunting rights. Two days after he made that announcement, he tweeted, “Big-game trophy decision will be announced next week but will be very hard pressed to change my mind that this horror show in any way helps conservation of Elephants or any other animal.”

    That tweet led some to believe the ban would remain in place but no further announcement was made as promised.

    In his comments to Morgan, Trump said, “Well, I changed it,” referring to reversing the move to end the ban.

    He continued: “I didn’t want elephants killed and stuffed and have the tusks brought back into this [country] and people can talk all they want about preservation and all of the things that they’re saying where money goes towards ― well, money WAS going ― in that case, going to a government which was probably taking the money, OK? I turned that order around. You know, that was an order. I totally turned it around. Were you shocked that I did it?”

    Morgan: “I was surprised.”

    Trump: “I thought it was terrible. That was done by a very high level government person. As soon as I heard about it, I turned it around. That same day ― not even a day went by. No, I was not believing in [the conservation argument].”

    The interview with Morgan is Trump’s first major sit-down interview with a non-U.S. television network and airs at 10 p.m. Sunday on ITV.


    Also, just gotta say that the phrase " That was not clear after he initially put the ban reversal on hold"  makes my head hurt


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    Okay... okay... Trump did a good one.
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  • mrussel1
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    blind squirrel,  nut,  etc.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mrussel1 said:
    blind squirrel,  nut,  etc.
    I know, I know.  But the criticism always is that those of us on the left wouldn’t never recognize if Trump did something right. Well, here it is. Recognition granted. 
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  • Go Beavers
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    mrussel1 said:
    blind squirrel,  nut,  etc.
    I know, I know.  But the criticism always is that those of us on the left wouldn’t never recognize if Trump did something right. Well, here it is. Recognition granted. 
    You can tell which issues his daughter has more influence on, is my guess.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    mrussel1 said:
    blind squirrel,  nut,  etc.
    I know, I know.  But the criticism always is that those of us on the left wouldn’t never recognize if Trump did something right. Well, here it is. Recognition granted. 
    True.. it's almost like you expect him to do the opposite of the moral thing and then wham!...he doesn't. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    blind squirrel,  nut,  etc.
    I know, I know.  But the criticism always is that those of us on the left wouldn’t never recognize if Trump did something right. Well, here it is. Recognition granted. 
    You can tell which issues his daughter has more influence on, is my guess.  
    Didn't her hubby kill a bunch of animals on a safari? I'm not so sure she had any influence here.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    "rescinding an Obama administration ban"

    There it is! 
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    CM189191 said:
    "rescinding an Obama administration ban"

    There it is! 
    Of course! (Slaps forehead)

    How could I have been so silly as to think he has a moral? (just one, mind you) 
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  • oftenreading
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    Chelsea too??

    Tsk tsk. 
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  • The Juggler
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    Surely the first and possibly the last thing I will ever agree with Trump on:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-slams-elephant-trophies_us_5a6d1759e4b01fbbefb25ea5

    In an interview with Piers Morgan set to air Sunday night in the U.K., President Donald Trump used the word “terrible” to describe the initial decision last year by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to overturn an Obama era ban on the import of elephant trophies.

    Trump also says he does not believe the substantial fees that hunters pay to hunt elephants and other species actually go toward conservation efforts, as is often claimed, and instead are pocketed by government officials in other countries.

    Trump confirms that the ban on importing elephant trophies from the African nations of Zimbabwe and Zambia will remain in place. That was not clear after he initially put the ban reversal on hold, pending further study.  

    The Fish and Wildlife Service, overseen by Interior Department Secretary Ryan Zinke, announced on Nov. 15 that it was rescinding an Obama administration ban on the import of elephant trophies from Zimbabwe and Zambia, saying money generated by the hunting goes toward conservation efforts.

    “Legal, well-regulated sport hunting as part of a sound management program can benefit the conservation of certain species by providing incentives to local communities to conserve the species and by putting much-needed revenue back into conservation,” the service said.

    But the announcement on reversing the ban was met with scathing criticism from both the left and right. Powerful conservative media figures like Michael Savage and Laura Ingraham criticized Trump for the decision and called on him to keep the ban in place. Talk show host Ellen DeGeneres announced a campaign to persuade Trump to maintain the ban that quickly went viral through the hashtag #BeKindToElephants. 

    On Nov. 17 Trump tweeted, “Put big game trophy decision on hold until such time as I review all conservation facts. Under study for years. Will update soon with Secretary Zinke. Thank you!” 

    The announcement that he was putting the reversal on hold shocked many, primarily because his two eldest sons, Donald Jr. and Eric, are both avid hunters and have been criticized for hunting wildlife in Africa.

    Trump also is closely aligned with the National Rifle Association, which strongly lobbies for trophy hunting rights. Two days after he made that announcement, he tweeted, “Big-game trophy decision will be announced next week but will be very hard pressed to change my mind that this horror show in any way helps conservation of Elephants or any other animal.”

    That tweet led some to believe the ban would remain in place but no further announcement was made as promised.

    In his comments to Morgan, Trump said, “Well, I changed it,” referring to reversing the move to end the ban.

    He continued: “I didn’t want elephants killed and stuffed and have the tusks brought back into this [country] and people can talk all they want about preservation and all of the things that they’re saying where money goes towards ― well, money WAS going ― in that case, going to a government which was probably taking the money, OK? I turned that order around. You know, that was an order. I totally turned it around. Were you shocked that I did it?”

    Morgan: “I was surprised.”

    Trump: “I thought it was terrible. That was done by a very high level government person. As soon as I heard about it, I turned it around. That same day ― not even a day went by. No, I was not believing in [the conservation argument].”

    The interview with Morgan is Trump’s first major sit-down interview with a non-U.S. television network and airs at 10 p.m. Sunday on ITV.


    Also, just gotta say that the phrase " That was not clear after he initially put the ban reversal on hold"  makes my head hurt



    See even this shows he can't help lying. Instead of taking the blame for his administration, he said the ban was initially lifted by a "very high level government person." So instead "the buck stops here"....it stopped elsewhere and then he gives himself alt the credit for reversing it, saying he made the decision "as soon as he found out" which is also a lie. He was silent for multiple days and didn't tweet about it only until after receiving bipartisan criticism about the stupid idea. 

    So, congrats to Trump for reversing his own administration's stupid idea. The bar is so low we have to congratulate him on not allowing his kids to kill elephants for fun anymore. By the way, had this "interview" been conducted by anyone other than a former Celebrity Apprentice winner, a follow up question about his son's grotesque trophy hunting escapades may have made for an interesting, and predictable follow up question. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    mrussel1 said:
    blind squirrel,  nut,  etc.
    I know, I know.  But the criticism always is that those of us on the left wouldn’t never recognize if Trump did something right. Well, here it is. Recognition granted. 
    true, but all he did here was prevent his own admin from doing something wrong. it's a "reactive right", not a proactive one. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mrussel1 said:
    blind squirrel,  nut,  etc.
    I know, I know.  But the criticism always is that those of us on the left wouldn’t never recognize if Trump did something right. Well, here it is. Recognition granted. 
    true, but all he did here was prevent his own admin from doing something wrong. it's a "reactive right", not a proactive one. 

    I couldn't find any proactive rights. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mrussel1 said:
    blind squirrel,  nut,  etc.
    I know, I know.  But the criticism always is that those of us on the left wouldn’t never recognize if Trump did something right. Well, here it is. Recognition granted. 
    true, but all he did here was prevent his own admin from doing something wrong. it's a "reactive right", not a proactive one. 

    I couldn't find any proactive rights. 
    LOL, fair enough. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    This is a somewhat long article and hard for me to read, because it makes me so angry. The religious right wants nothing more than to shove their beliefs down others' throats.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/gallant-trump-conscience-protections-trump_us_5a66635fe4b0e5630072babd
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