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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,887
    If you aren't  in a position to review secure documents why does it matter if you're clearance is revoked?  Isn't it kind of revoked by not having a job that gives you ACCESS to secure information?
    I guess. I have no idea how it works. wouldn't you want to revoke it so someone can't say "well I let him review the file, he's got clearance"?
    That would be the logical assumption, but this is the government so why make it simple. If the security clearance really only is something that allows you access if you're in the position to receive it, then revoking it is unnecessary, It seems like a loophole that needs to be fixed. Without an ID or electronic database access, the clearance should be worthless, but as we've learned it seems like an easy way to get a position and pick right back up without any further consideration until the next mandated review.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,070
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,880
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
    You don't vet people with a security clearance!
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,367
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
    You don't vet people with a security clearance!
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,887
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
    You don't vet people with a security clearance!
    "Obama says he is bad? he must be awesome! hire him immediately!"
    Undoubtedly, that was part of his motivation. Stick it to Obama at all costs.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,367
    tbergs said:
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
    You don't vet people with a security clearance!
    "Obama says he is bad? he must be awesome! hire him immediately!"
    Undoubtedly, that was part of his motivation. Stick it to Obama at all costs.
    Who knows. maybe that was obama's motivation too, in warning him. "that buffoon is going to hire him instantly now....watch it all crumble as I go sailing with Brad Pitt and Chris Hemsworth"
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,887
    tbergs said:
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
    You don't vet people with a security clearance!
    "Obama says he is bad? he must be awesome! hire him immediately!"
    Undoubtedly, that was part of his motivation. Stick it to Obama at all costs.
    Who knows. maybe that was obama's motivation too, in warning him. "that buffoon is going to hire him instantly now....watch it all crumble as I go sailing with Brad Pitt and Chris Hemsworth"
    Then he should have told him how bad Obama care is too ;)
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,415
    tbergs said:
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
    You don't vet people with a security clearance!
    "Obama says he is bad? he must be awesome! hire him immediately!"
    Undoubtedly, that was part of his motivation. Stick it to Obama at all costs.
    Who knows. maybe that was obama's motivation too, in warning him. "that buffoon is going to hire him instantly now....watch it all crumble as I go sailing with Brad Pitt and Chris Hemsworth"
    http://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337


     It Was Cultural Anxiety That Drove White, Working-Class Voters to Trump

    A new study finds that fear of societal change, not economic pressure, motivated votes for the president among non-salaried workers without college degrees.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/white-working-class-trump-cultural-anxiety/525771/


  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,605
    dignin said:


     It Was Cultural Anxiety That Drove White, Working-Class Voters to Trump

    A new study finds that fear of societal change, not economic pressure, motivated votes for the president among non-salaried workers without college degrees.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/white-working-class-trump-cultural-anxiety/525771/



    Least surprising thing I've seen in a while.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,823
    dignin said:


     It Was Cultural Anxiety That Drove White, Working-Class Voters to Trump

    A new study finds that fear of societal change, not economic pressure, motivated votes for the president among non-salaried workers without college degrees.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/white-working-class-trump-cultural-anxiety/525771/


    I'm not surprised by this at all.
    The people who are afraid of culture  change are afraid of an America that isn't mostly or even all white.
    But it's  too late.
    Already in California Caucasians are a cultural minority.  Eventually, in a few generations, America  will be tan. No white people,  no brown peole, no yellow people,  just tan people. 
    The thought of this makes the people who are afraid of "Cultural change " crazy.
    Sucks to be so closed-minded.

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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,055
    I saw an "America First" bumper sticker today.  
    Me first! 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,415
    Tiki said:
    I saw an "America First" bumper sticker today.  
    Me first! 
    My question is when wasn't America first? Can a Trump supporter explain what that even means? 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,367
    Tiki said:
    I saw an "America First" bumper sticker today.  
    Me first! 
    My question is when wasn't America first? Can a Trump supporter explain what that even means? 
    i'm obviously no trump supporter, but it means:
    -bringing back jobs from overseas (unless you work for a Trump hotel, of course),
    -using american made products (unless you are builing a trump hotel, of course),
    -shitting on a decades old trade deal with your two neighbours
    -grabbing only american p****
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,839
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
    You don't vet people with a security clearance!
    Actually that's not true.  To work in the WH, you typically go through a much more thorough assessment conducted by lawyers and investigators.  It's deeper than what is required for even Top Secret clearance.  I don't believe it's mandated by statute, but it's generally accepted practice.  
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Tiki said:
    I saw an "America First" bumper sticker today.  
    Me first! 
    My question is when wasn't America first? Can a Trump supporter explain what that even means? 
    i'm obviously no trump supporter, but it means:
    -bringing back jobs from overseas (unless you work for a Trump hotel, of course),
    -using american made products (unless you are builing a trump hotel, of course),
    -shitting on a decades old trade deal with your two neighbours
    -grabbing only american p****
    I think Hugh has it right. The Atlantic, in an article right after Trump's Inaugural Address where he read Bannon's and Miller's America First speech said: "The phrase in itself might provide comfort for those of Trump’s supporters who have long railed against what they see as lawmakers in Washington catering to special interests, corporations, and other countries at the expense of, in their view, the American worker. " The article also gave an interesting, short history of the anti-semites in the America First Committee founded in the 1940s. From that article they also mentioned Pat Buchanan's 2000 presidential run on the Reform Party ticket where he adopted the America First slogan. At that time Trump called him "a Hitler lover". Interesting how times change.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,839
    WTF happened to the website anyway?  It's all jacked up in so many ways.  It was working great until two weeks ago.  
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,969
    Are people still here not sure if Trump knew about the plan to get him elected there is no way you can convince me he was not aware of the fix being in place to get him elected. !
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,415
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,823
    mrussel1 said:
    WTF happened to the website anyway?  It's all jacked up in so many ways.  It was working great until two weeks ago.  
    Probably Obama's fault
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,415
    mrussel1 said:
    WTF happened to the website anyway?  It's all jacked up in so many ways.  It was working great until two weeks ago.  
    Probably Obama's fault
    I was going to blame Julian Asstrange but it's probably Obama with an assist from Hillary.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927

    WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCES PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP HAS FIRED FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_APNEWSALERT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-05-09-17-44-08
  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,055
    wow

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,839
    They were just waiting for any reason to do it, to kill momentum on the investigation.  The overstated testimony gave them cause.  Remember he was a Bush appointee.  
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,991
    edited May 2017
    Comey is a jackass, but I doubt he's as big a jackass as whoever Trump appoints will be. This could be bad.... I dunno, maybe for once he'll not make the most inappropriate choice possible?
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Sounds like that hillbilly Jeff Sessions made the recommendation to Trump to shitcan Comey. Maybe Trump will appoint one of his sons to run the Bureau. I can't imagine Trump will find anyone qualified and acceptable to him who would actually want the job.
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 28,047
    PJ_Soul said:
    Comey is a jackass, but I doubt he's as big a jackass as whoever Trump appoints will be. This could be bad.... I dunno, maybe for once he'll not make the most inappropriate choice possible?
    He's not going to put someone who will investigate him. I'd be surprised if he didn't put in a "yes" man
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  • Kev - Coat and KeysKev - Coat and Keys Earth Posts: 357
    Comey fired because of how he handled Clinton's email investigation.
    That makes sense as that was the one thing (other than all the racism) that got Trump elected.
    And, man, that fat orange dude is seriously not having any fun in the job.
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,197
    igotid88 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Comey is a jackass, but I doubt he's as big a jackass as whoever Trump appoints will be. This could be bad.... I dunno, maybe for once he'll not make the most inappropriate choice possible?
    He's not going to put someone who will investigate him. I'd be surprised if he didn't put in a "yes" man
    Even money he puts in a relative.

    This is just awesome. Fire the guy who is in charge of investigating him.

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,367
    i'm watching a tv show. i'm watching a motherf***ing tv show. 
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