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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mfc2006 said:
    What in the actual FUCK is going on with this shitshow??? Unreal.
    The shitshow is dealing with immigration.

    https://youtu.be/Cc4X6juZFxk

    Pretty amazing to watch crazy, mental, deranged, can’t read Hitler run a meeting. You might want to watch the entire thing to full diagnose this maniac!

    https://youtu.be/fc5tIKFDy1s
  • BS44325 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    What in the actual FUCK is going on with this shitshow??? Unreal.
    The shitshow is dealing with immigration.

    https://youtu.be/Cc4X6juZFxk

    Pretty amazing to watch crazy, mental, deranged, can’t read Hitler run a meeting. You might want to watch the entire thing to full diagnose this maniac!

    https://youtu.be/fc5tIKFDy1s
    Love, Diane Feinstein style. Game, set, match, delusion, retirement. Only you and sloppy Steve groveling Bannon and 35% without degrees approve. 
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    If anyone here watched the footage of trump during the bipartisan meeting today and you come here and tell me this bafoon is sane I have no respect for you as a Pearl Jam fan ...
    Sorry Jose but that was the most normal meeting of the two parties that most of us have ever seen. It is exactly what people always claim to be asking for...a President to bring the two parties together to work on difficult problems. Trump was that President today. To deny otherwise illustrates your own unwillingness to throw your hatred down.
  • BS44325 said:
    If anyone here watched the footage of trump during the bipartisan meeting today and you come here and tell me this bafoon is sane I have no respect for you as a Pearl Jam fan ...
    Sorry Jose but that was the most normal meeting of the two parties that most of us have ever seen. It is exactly what people always claim to be asking for...a President to bring the two parties together to work on difficult problems. Trump was that President today. To deny otherwise illustrates your own unwillingness to throw your hatred down.
    Working on your comedy routine? And you claim patriotism, brilliance and knowing why? You’re hilarious.
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  • In case you’re blinded by the brilliance, there’s not a deep bench, rats are fleeing and indictments are coming. So, if you’re looking to relocate, you know, further the cause, put your money where your mouth is, come on down and quit the bs, BS, sign on, gitter done. Kellyanne needs a respite.

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,175
    BS44325 said:
    If anyone here watched the footage of trump during the bipartisan meeting today and you come here and tell me this bafoon is sane I have no respect for you as a Pearl Jam fan ...
    Sorry Jose but that was the most normal meeting of the two parties that most of us have ever seen. It is exactly what people always claim to be asking for...a President to bring the two parties together to work on difficult problems. Trump was that President today. To deny otherwise illustrates your own unwillingness to throw your hatred down.
    Like I said I have no respect for anybody who holds your train of thought or supports an idiot, good luck where are you building your bomb shelter ? 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,466
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    BS44325 said:
    If anyone here watched the footage of trump during the bipartisan meeting today and you come here and tell me this bafoon is sane I have no respect for you as a Pearl Jam fan ...
    Sorry Jose but that was the most normal meeting of the two parties that most of us have ever seen. It is exactly what people always claim to be asking for...a President to bring the two parties together to work on difficult problems. Trump was that President today. To deny otherwise illustrates your own unwillingness to throw your hatred down.
    Someone watched a three hour block of Tucker/Hannity/Ingraham last night. 

    Sure it it was good that he brought the two parties together. It was a valiant attempt to prove to the world that he’s not as illiterate as he seems...but then he proceeded to contradict himself  numerous times, often seeming to forget his own strong stance on immigration. Multiple republicans came away saying they were confused by his position. 

    Probably the the best part was Feinstein forcing him to basically admit that he doesn’t know what a clean bill is. They didn’t show you that on your Fox block last night. They just made fun of the “fake news’s” headlines of this very real ccurrence. 

    This President is in WAY over his head. Rational people (about 65% of us) recognize this on a daily basis. 


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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,466
    #TheSwampOverfloweth

     http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/trump-administration-waives-punishment-convicted-banks-including-deutsche-which?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

    Trump Administration Waives Punishment For Convicted Banks, Including Deutsche — Which Trump Owes Millions

    BY DAVID SIROTA AND JOSH KEEFE ON 01/09/18 AT 6:03 PM 
    Trump Kushner

    The Trump administration has waived part of the punishment for five megabanks whose affiliates were convicted and fined for manipulating global interest rates. One of the Trump administration waivers was granted to Deutsche Bank — which is owed at least $130 million by President Donald Trump and his business empire, and has also been fined for its role in a Russian money laundering scheme.

    The waivers were issued in a little-noticed announcement published in the Federal Register during the Christmas holiday week. They come less than two years after then-candidate Trump promised “I'm not going to let Wall Street get away with murder.”

    Under laws designed to protect retirement savings, financial firms whose affiliates have been convicted of violating securities statutes are effectively barred from the lucrative business of managing those savings. However, that punishment can be avoided if the firms manage to secure a special exemption from the U.S. Department of Labor, allowing them to keep their status as “qualified professional asset managers.”

    In late 2016, the Obama administration extended temporary one-year waivers to five banks — Citigroup, JPMorgan, Barclays, UBS and Deutsche Bank. Late last month, the Trump administration issued new, longer waivers for those same banks, granting Citigroup, JPMorgan, and Barclays five-year exemptions. UBS and Deutsche Bank received three-year exemptions.

    In the year leading up to the new waiver for Deustche Bank, Trump’s financial relationship with the firm has prompted allegations of a conflict of interest. The bank has not only sought the Labor Department waiver from the administration, it has also faced Justice Department scrutiny and five separate government-appointed independent monitors. Meanwhile, the New York Timesrecently reported that federal prosecutors subpoenaed Deutsche for “bank records about entities associated with the family company of Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser.”

    All of these interactions with the Trump administration and the federal government are transpiring as Deutsche serves as a key creditor for the president’s businesses.

    Trump owes the German bank at least $130 million in loans, according to the president’s most recent financial disclosure form. Sources have told the Financial Times the total amount of money Trump owes Deutsche is likely around $300 million. The president’s relationship with the bank dates back to the late 1990s, when it was the one major Wall Street bank willing to extend him credit after a series of bankruptcies. In 2016, the Wall Street Journal reported Trump and his companies have received at least $2.5 billion in loans from Deutsche Bank and co-lenders since 1998.

    The relationship has had problems. After the financial crash, Trump defaulted on a $640 million loan from the bank. Deutsche brought Trump to court, and the famously litigious real estate mogul countersued for $3 billion in damages, claiming the financial crisis was a “force majeure” event that Deutsche Bank helped create. But the rift was short-lived: the parties settled, the loan was repaid, and Deutsche was soon lending to Trump again.

    In December, Bloomberg and others reportedthe bank had turned over financial records to special prosecutor Robert Mueller after his office subpoenaed the records as part of his investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 election. Trump’s lawyers have called that reporting inaccurate.

    “We have confirmed that the news reports that the Special Counsel had subpoenaed financial records relating to the President are false,” Trump attorney Jay Sekulow said in a statement. “No subpoena has been issued or received. We have confirmed this with the bank and other sources.”

    Less than three weeks later, the New York Times reported federal prosecutors had subpoenaed Deutsche Bank records related to White House senior adviser and Trump son-in-law Kushner and his vast business holdings. There is no evidence those subpoenas were related to Mueller’s investigation.

    The subpoenas come less than a year after Deutsche Bank was fined $425 million by New York State for laundering $10 billion out of Russia.

    All five of the banks granted waivers from the Obama and Trump administration were fined for their involvement in the LIBOR  scandal that led to $9 billion worth of fines from regulators around the world. Deutsche Bank has paid $3.5 billion for its role in the scandal, more than any other bank. The scandal involved illegally manipulating the London Interbank Offered Rate or LIBOR, which is used to set the cost of borrowing for a variety of financial transactions.


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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    BS44325 said:
    If anyone here watched the footage of trump during the bipartisan meeting today and you come here and tell me this bafoon is sane I have no respect for you as a Pearl Jam fan ...
    Sorry Jose but that was the most normal meeting of the two parties that most of us have ever seen. It is exactly what people always claim to be asking for...a President to bring the two parties together to work on difficult problems. Trump was that President today. To deny otherwise illustrates your own unwillingness to throw your hatred down.
    Someone watched a three hour block of Tucker/Hannity/Ingraham last night. 

    Sure it it was good that he brought the two parties together. It was a valiant attempt to prove to the world that he’s not as illiterate as he seems...but then he proceeded to contradict himself  numerous times, often seeming to forget his own strong stance on immigration. Multiple republicans came away saying they were confused by his position. 

    Probably the the best part was Feinstein forcing him to basically admit that he doesn’t know what a clean bill is. They didn’t show you that on your Fox block last night. They just made fun of the “fake news’s” headlines of this very real ccurrence. 

    This President is in WAY over his head. Rational people (about 65% of us) recognize this on a daily basis. 


    This is pure willful blindness. That meeting was deal making 101. He let all sides be heard. He didn’t tie himself down to any specifc position when in the end it will have to be congress that produces the bill. Finally he looked completely rational and reasonable on a very difficult issue where everybody knows in the end it will require a compromise between security and some degree of legalization. That meeting moved the ball forward and will be an excellent springboard to a final deal. It was no accident either...his first year of immigration results gives him the capital to confront his right flank when the time comes. 
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     http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/trump-administration-waives-punishment-convicted-banks-including-deutsche-which?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

    Trump Administration Waives Punishment For Convicted Banks, Including Deutsche — Which Trump Owes Millions

    BY DAVID SIROTA AND JOSH KEEFE ON 01/09/18 AT 6:03 PM 
    Trump Kushner

    The Trump administration has waived part of the punishment for five megabanks whose affiliates were convicted and fined for manipulating global interest rates. One of the Trump administration waivers was granted to Deutsche Bank — which is owed at least $130 million by President Donald Trump and his business empire, and has also been fined for its role in a Russian money laundering scheme.

    The waivers were issued in a little-noticed announcement published in the Federal Register during the Christmas holiday week. They come less than two years after then-candidate Trump promised “I'm not going to let Wall Street get away with murder.”

    Under laws designed to protect retirement savings, financial firms whose affiliates have been convicted of violating securities statutes are effectively barred from the lucrative business of managing those savings. However, that punishment can be avoided if the firms manage to secure a special exemption from the U.S. Department of Labor, allowing them to keep their status as “qualified professional asset managers.”

    In late 2016, the Obama administration extended temporary one-year waivers to five banks — Citigroup, JPMorgan, Barclays, UBS and Deutsche Bank. Late last month, the Trump administration issued new, longer waivers for those same banks, granting Citigroup, JPMorgan, and Barclays five-year exemptions. UBS and Deutsche Bank received three-year exemptions.

    In the year leading up to the new waiver for Deustche Bank, Trump’s financial relationship with the firm has prompted allegations of a conflict of interest. The bank has not only sought the Labor Department waiver from the administration, it has also faced Justice Department scrutiny and five separate government-appointed independent monitors. Meanwhile, the New York Timesrecently reported that federal prosecutors subpoenaed Deutsche for “bank records about entities associated with the family company of Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser.”

    All of these interactions with the Trump administration and the federal government are transpiring as Deutsche serves as a key creditor for the president’s businesses.

    Trump owes the German bank at least $130 million in loans, according to the president’s most recent financial disclosure form. Sources have told the Financial Times the total amount of money Trump owes Deutsche is likely around $300 million. The president’s relationship with the bank dates back to the late 1990s, when it was the one major Wall Street bank willing to extend him credit after a series of bankruptcies. In 2016, the Wall Street Journal reported Trump and his companies have received at least $2.5 billion in loans from Deutsche Bank and co-lenders since 1998.

    The relationship has had problems. After the financial crash, Trump defaulted on a $640 million loan from the bank. Deutsche brought Trump to court, and the famously litigious real estate mogul countersued for $3 billion in damages, claiming the financial crisis was a “force majeure” event that Deutsche Bank helped create. But the rift was short-lived: the parties settled, the loan was repaid, and Deutsche was soon lending to Trump again.

    In December, Bloomberg and others reportedthe bank had turned over financial records to special prosecutor Robert Mueller after his office subpoenaed the records as part of his investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 election. Trump’s lawyers have called that reporting inaccurate.

    “We have confirmed that the news reports that the Special Counsel had subpoenaed financial records relating to the President are false,” Trump attorney Jay Sekulow said in a statement. “No subpoena has been issued or received. We have confirmed this with the bank and other sources.”

    Less than three weeks later, the New York Times reported federal prosecutors had subpoenaed Deutsche Bank records related to White House senior adviser and Trump son-in-law Kushner and his vast business holdings. There is no evidence those subpoenas were related to Mueller’s investigation.

    The subpoenas come less than a year after Deutsche Bank was fined $425 million by New York State for laundering $10 billion out of Russia.

    All five of the banks granted waivers from the Obama and Trump administration were fined for their involvement in the LIBOR  scandal that led to $9 billion worth of fines from regulators around the world. Deutsche Bank has paid $3.5 billion for its role in the scandal, more than any other bank. The scandal involved illegally manipulating the London Interbank Offered Rate or LIBOR, which is used to set the cost of borrowing for a variety of financial transactions.


    Makes Hillary look like a Girl Scout.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    BS44325 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    What in the actual FUCK is going on with this shitshow??? Unreal.
    The shitshow is dealing with immigration.

    https://youtu.be/Cc4X6juZFxk

    Pretty amazing to watch crazy, mental, deranged, can’t read Hitler run a meeting. You might want to watch the entire thing to full diagnose this maniac!

    https://youtu.be/fc5tIKFDy1s
    Did you honestly think this was effective leadership?  He was a victim to the movement of the room.  He agree with Feinstein when she spoke, agreeing to a clean DACA.   McCarthy had to reign him back and remind him about security, basically reminding him of the cornerstone of his bases's position on the issue.  At the end of it, he said... I'll sign whatever you bring to me because I trust you...

    THAT'S leadership, in your experience?  
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     http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/trump-administration-waives-punishment-convicted-banks-including-deutsche-which?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

    Trump Administration Waives Punishment For Convicted Banks, Including Deutsche — Which Trump Owes Millions

    BY DAVID SIROTA AND JOSH KEEFE ON 01/09/18 AT 6:03 PM 
    Trump Kushner

    The Trump administration has waived part of the punishment for five megabanks whose affiliates were convicted and fined for manipulating global interest rates. One of the Trump administration waivers was granted to Deutsche Bank — which is owed at least $130 million by President Donald Trump and his business empire, and has also been fined for its role in a Russian money laundering scheme.

    The waivers were issued in a little-noticed announcement published in the Federal Register during the Christmas holiday week. They come less than two years after then-candidate Trump promised “I'm not going to let Wall Street get away with murder.”

    Under laws designed to protect retirement savings, financial firms whose affiliates have been convicted of violating securities statutes are effectively barred from the lucrative business of managing those savings. However, that punishment can be avoided if the firms manage to secure a special exemption from the U.S. Department of Labor, allowing them to keep their status as “qualified professional asset managers.”

    In late 2016, the Obama administration extended temporary one-year waivers to five banks — Citigroup, JPMorgan, Barclays, UBS and Deutsche Bank. Late last month, the Trump administration issued new, longer waivers for those same banks, granting Citigroup, JPMorgan, and Barclays five-year exemptions. UBS and Deutsche Bank received three-year exemptions.

    In the year leading up to the new waiver for Deustche Bank, Trump’s financial relationship with the firm has prompted allegations of a conflict of interest. The bank has not only sought the Labor Department waiver from the administration, it has also faced Justice Department scrutiny and five separate government-appointed independent monitors. Meanwhile, the New York Timesrecently reported that federal prosecutors subpoenaed Deutsche for “bank records about entities associated with the family company of Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser.”

    All of these interactions with the Trump administration and the federal government are transpiring as Deutsche serves as a key creditor for the president’s businesses.

    Trump owes the German bank at least $130 million in loans, according to the president’s most recent financial disclosure form. Sources have told the Financial Times the total amount of money Trump owes Deutsche is likely around $300 million. The president’s relationship with the bank dates back to the late 1990s, when it was the one major Wall Street bank willing to extend him credit after a series of bankruptcies. In 2016, the Wall Street Journal reported Trump and his companies have received at least $2.5 billion in loans from Deutsche Bank and co-lenders since 1998.

    The relationship has had problems. After the financial crash, Trump defaulted on a $640 million loan from the bank. Deutsche brought Trump to court, and the famously litigious real estate mogul countersued for $3 billion in damages, claiming the financial crisis was a “force majeure” event that Deutsche Bank helped create. But the rift was short-lived: the parties settled, the loan was repaid, and Deutsche was soon lending to Trump again.

    In December, Bloomberg and others reportedthe bank had turned over financial records to special prosecutor Robert Mueller after his office subpoenaed the records as part of his investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 election. Trump’s lawyers have called that reporting inaccurate.

    “We have confirmed that the news reports that the Special Counsel had subpoenaed financial records relating to the President are false,” Trump attorney Jay Sekulow said in a statement. “No subpoena has been issued or received. We have confirmed this with the bank and other sources.”

    Less than three weeks later, the New York Times reported federal prosecutors had subpoenaed Deutsche Bank records related to White House senior adviser and Trump son-in-law Kushner and his vast business holdings. There is no evidence those subpoenas were related to Mueller’s investigation.

    The subpoenas come less than a year after Deutsche Bank was fined $425 million by New York State for laundering $10 billion out of Russia.

    All five of the banks granted waivers from the Obama and Trump administration were fined for their involvement in the LIBOR  scandal that led to $9 billion worth of fines from regulators around the world. Deutsche Bank has paid $3.5 billion for its role in the scandal, more than any other bank. The scandal involved illegally manipulating the London Interbank Offered Rate or LIBOR, which is used to set the cost of borrowing for a variety of financial transactions.



    Blatant self-interest.

    As I said... it doesn't matter. The morons that dig this guy would clamor over each other to smell his fart.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,466
    edited January 2018
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    If anyone here watched the footage of trump during the bipartisan meeting today and you come here and tell me this bafoon is sane I have no respect for you as a Pearl Jam fan ...
    Sorry Jose but that was the most normal meeting of the two parties that most of us have ever seen. It is exactly what people always claim to be asking for...a President to bring the two parties together to work on difficult problems. Trump was that President today. To deny otherwise illustrates your own unwillingness to throw your hatred down.
    Someone watched a three hour block of Tucker/Hannity/Ingraham last night. 

    Sure it it was good that he brought the two parties together. It was a valiant attempt to prove to the world that he’s not as illiterate as he seems...but then he proceeded to contradict himself  numerous times, often seeming to forget his own strong stance on immigration. Multiple republicans came away saying they were confused by his position. 

    Probably the the best part was Feinstein forcing him to basically admit that he doesn’t know what a clean bill is. They didn’t show you that on your Fox block last night. They just made fun of the “fake news’s” headlines of this very real ccurrence. 

    This President is in WAY over his head. Rational people (about 65% of us) recognize this on a daily basis. 


    This is pure willful blindness. That meeting was deal making 101. He let all sides be heard. He didn’t tie himself down to any specifc position when in the end it will have to be congress that produces the bill. Finally he looked completely rational and reasonable on a very difficult issue where everybody knows in the end it will require a compromise between security and some degree of legalization. That meeting moved the ball forward and will be an excellent springboard to a final deal. It was no accident either...his first year of immigration results gives him the capital to confront his right flank when the time comes. 

    Look, it was good that he had the meeting. You can argue why he held the meeting at this time. It sure seemed to be a staged televised stunt to show the world that the president has not completely lost his marbles (this is the former host of Celebrity Apprentice after all). But it was good the meeting was held regardless. This is what should be happening in Washington and Trump's first year would probably have not been a complete disaster had he done this earlier. But your interpretation of how he handled himself for the 45 minutes cameras were allowed in is absent of reality and totally consistent with what each of those Fox hosts were pushing last night...like exactly the talking points each of them were pushing last night and you know it.

    Go and watch the interaction with Feinstein where he seemingly agrees to do DACA without border security....the congressman to his left has to interrupt and say that Trump didn't really mean what he said. Stuff like this happened numerous times and that was just when the cameras were around. The fact that republicans were confused afterwards, is quite telling. Then Trump ultimately saying he will "sign anything" is grossly pathetic and weak.

    This is why Trump has not had a televised interview in 3 months since talking to Sean Hannity (in which Hannity gave him the questions prior sitting down with him). This is why he has not had a proper news conference in almost a year. He is incapable of having in depth conversations about policy issues. When interviewers try to go deeper, he cannot respond. That Chris Mathews interview a couple years ago comes to mind. Take your blinders off, fella. The man in is in waaaaay over his head.


    Also, I think the fact that Trump's biggest defender here feels the need to point out how "rational and reasonable" he appeared is hilarious, ironic, and extremely sad all at the same time.


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    BS44325 said:
    If anyone here watched the footage of trump during the bipartisan meeting today and you come here and tell me this bafoon is sane I have no respect for you as a Pearl Jam fan ...
    Sorry Jose but that was the most normal meeting of the two parties that most of us have ever seen. It is exactly what people always claim to be asking for...a President to bring the two parties together to work on difficult problems. Trump was that President today. To deny otherwise illustrates your own unwillingness to throw your hatred down.
    You mean normal except for tRump having no idea what his position on DACA is?  Hilarious that he said he wanted a clean bill.....
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,946
    BS44325 said:
    Conservatives hold deeply rooted beliefs that everything is going to shit and we’re all doomed. They’ll formulate a world virlew to maintain that and it’s really hard to crack it. 
    Yeah. Only conservatives do this. Now what were you all saying about climate change? Sorry buddy but the element on the periodic table that will kill you is uranium not carbon.
    I didn’t say only, but conservatives hold a fear based belief system at a much higher rate than liberals. 
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    ^

    He's a climate change denier too? Hahaha.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,888
    I saw that unbelievably dense comment reported on the local news the other morning, and the anchors couldn't help but giggle over it. :giggle:
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,888
    edited January 2018
    Thoughts? I'm not quite clear on how liberals feel about this kind of thing. I mean, I DO NOT support the actual process. Terrorizing people while they are at work like this is pretty fucking evil IMO, no matter who they are. I think a more humane method should be used in a "crack down" for sure. That said, I don't think companies should be allowed to get away with employing illegal workers. But with THAT said.... then what?? We all know that illegal workers make up a huge portion of the American work force, mostly jobs nobody else wants. And we all know that they contribute a massive amount of money to the American economy as consumers. So wtf happens after these raids and the businesses that people use aren't staffed adequately, and that so much money is removed from the economy? Do hard nosed anti-undocumented worker folks not worry about that part of the puzzle?

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    Immigration agents target 7-Eleven stores in nationwide sweep


    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents serve an employment audit notice at a 7-Eleven convenience store Wednesday in Los Angeles. (Chris Carlson/AP)
    By Nick Miroff January 10 at 1:25 PM

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents showed up at dozens of 7-Eleven stores before dawn Wednesday to interview employees and deliver audit notifications, carrying out what the agency said was the largest operation targeting an employer since President Trump took office.

    ICE said its agents targeted 98 stores and made 21 arrests, describing the operation as a warning to other companies who may have unauthorized workers on their payroll.

    “Today’s actions send a strong message to U.S. businesses that hire and employ an illegal workforce: ICE will enforce the law, and if you are found to be breaking the law, you will be held accountable,” said Thomas D. Homan, the agency’s top official, in a statement.

    “Businesses that hire illegal workers are a pull factor for illegal immigration and we are working hard to remove this magnet,” Homan’s statement said. “ICE will continue its efforts to protect jobs for American workers by eliminating unfair competitive advantages for companies that exploit illegal immigration.”

    President Trump has long pledged to crack down on businesses that hire undocumented workers and increase deportations. Since his inauguration ICE agents have made 40 percent more arrests.

    The agency said it sent agents Wednesday to deliver audit notifications and conduct interviews at 6 a.m., temporarily shutting down franchises in Washington, D.C., and 18 states: California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and Washington.

    Irving, Texas-based 7-Eleven has more than 60,000 stores worldwide, according to its website. The company did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    ICE described Thursday’s operation as a follow-up effort to ensure that 7-Eleven is in compliance with hiring laws.

    Federal agents in 2013 arrested nine 7-Eleven franchise owners and managers for “conspiring to commit wire fraud, stealing identities and concealing and harboring illegal aliens employed at their stores,” according to the agency.

    ICE said all but one pleaded guilty and were ordered to pay more than $2.6 million in back wages stolen from workers.

    “We are going to be doing more of this work and dedicating more resources to make sure business are complying with the law,” said Dani Bennett, an ICE spokesperson. “This is a demonstration of our commitment to enforcing the law.”

    Store owners and managers will have three days to provide the agency with information about the immigration status of its employees, Bennett said.


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  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,365
    Good god, ICE showed up before dawn....probably scared the crap out of the 7-11 workers. 
    Wonder how much these raids cost the American taxpayers?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,888
    edited January 2018
    Good god, ICE showed up before dawn....probably scared the crap out of the 7-11 workers. 
    Wonder how much these raids cost the American taxpayers?
    I know, can you imagine the fear and confusion and panic those poor 7-11 workers must have felt when ICE came crashing through the front doors?? It is indeed disgusting. There is something extremely sinister about choosing this tactic. The choice seems to be all about attitude and a specific desire to inspire fear and chaos, not about effectiveness or humanity or order or efficiency.
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,832
    Just more suggested obstruction. It's beyond me why a president wouldn't care about a foreign government interfering in American elections or why the Republican party would become the party of Russia. I feel like I'm in Bizarro World.

    Trump Suggests Republicans Scuttle Russia Investigations
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  • PJ_Soul said:
    Good god, ICE showed up before dawn....probably scared the crap out of the 7-11 workers. 
    Wonder how much these raids cost the American taxpayers?
    I know, can you imagine the fear and confusion and panic those poor 7-11 workers must have felt when ICE came crashing through the front doors?? It is indeed disgusting. There is something extremely sinister about choosing this tactic. The choice seems to be all about attitude and a specific desire to inspire fear and chaos, not about effectiveness or humanity or order or efficiency.
    I guess 7-11 didn’t donate to Team Trump Treason’s campaign. And get ready to pay more for your Big Gulp.

    Did Team Trump Treason tell the farm bureau attendees that their farms, meat processing plants and associated businesses are next for his ICE raids? If so, get ready to pay a bunch more for your groceries. But then again, Big Ag spreads their wealth along with their filth.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,426
    people need to get past their bitterness and move on.  The dude’s the president.  Everyone is still acting like the sky is falling while black folks have the lowest unemployment % since it was first being recorded like 45 years ago.  The stock market is killing it and reaching record highs every day- I personally made a great deal of cash, most in a decade.  I am in the process of taking out a big loan to open up a second restaurant -my other one just had its best year ever... given it was only year 6, but stil.  As a small business owner I’ve never been more excited, you have to strike while the iron is hot.  Dude at the bank said that they have gotten the ok to give out a lot more $ in loans this year than last because things are looking so good economy wise.  Why are you all still sompissed the guy talks and acts like a jackass?! No one’s denying that he is an odd fit for the prez, but he’s fuckin killing it right now.
    Don't bring that bullshit in here.  
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    people need to get past their bitterness and move on.  The dude’s the president.  Everyone is still acting like the sky is falling while black folks have the lowest unemployment % since it was first being recorded like 45 years ago.  The stock market is killing it and reaching record highs every day- I personally made a great deal of cash, most in a decade.  I am in the process of taking out a big loan to open up a second restaurant -my other one just had its best year ever... given it was only year 6, but stil.  As a small business owner I’ve never been more excited, you have to strike while the iron is hot.  Dude at the bank said that they have gotten the ok to give out a lot more $ in loans this year than last because things are looking so good economy wise.  Why are you all still sompissed the guy talks and acts like a jackass?! No one’s denying that he is an odd fit for the prez, but he’s fuckin killing it right now.
    and was obama praised from the right for his numbers after less than a year in office? even after 2 or 4 or 6 or 8 years?

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  • people need to get past their bitterness and move on.  The dude’s the president.  Everyone is still acting like the sky is falling while black folks have the lowest unemployment % since it was first being recorded like 45 years ago.  The stock market is killing it and reaching record highs every day- I personally made a great deal of cash, most in a decade.  I am in the process of taking out a big loan to open up a second restaurant -my other one just had its best year ever... given it was only year 6, but stil.  As a small business owner I’ve never been more excited, you have to strike while the iron is hot.  Dude at the bank said that they have gotten the ok to give out a lot more $ in loans this year than last because things are looking so good economy wise.  Why are you all still sompissed the guy talks and acts like a jackass?! No one’s denying that he is an odd fit for the prez, but he’s fuckin killing it right now.
    Don't bring that bullshit in here.  
    Huh? I’m serious though! Do you even stock market, bro? It’s free money right now!
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