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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,215
    PJPOWER said:
    Kat said:
    Everyone has heard of Kent State, right? Will the next step be to kill them?




    Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners...
    I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
    Is there no middle? No common sense? The leaders in Seattle and Portland do absolutely nothing. The federal officers do way too much. I don’t get it honestly. 
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited July 2020
    The Juggler said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Kat said:
    Everyone has heard of Kent State, right? Will the next step be to kill them?




    Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners...
    I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
    ....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
    Yes to Federal property, not state property 
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    nicknyr15 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Kat said:
    Everyone has heard of Kent State, right? Will the next step be to kill them?




    Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners...
    I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
    Is there no middle? No common sense? The leaders in Seattle and Portland do absolutely nothing. The federal officers do way too much. I don’t get it honestly. 
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Only force necessary is to arrest and the charge then offenders. 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    PJPOWER said:
    The Juggler said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Kat said:
    Everyone has heard of Kent State, right? Will the next step be to kill them?




    Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners...
    I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
    ....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
    Yes to Federal property, not state property 
    I find it odd that someone like you would be all for this, especially when these feds are in unmarked cars, have no identification on their clothes, are not reading people their rights and are not telling them where they're being taken.

    Rioting and defacing public property is abhorrent behavior but it's a local state and city issue. The federal government has no business being there unless the governor requested their help, which he did not. In fact he is pleading with them to leave. If Obama did this, I believe you would be up in arms. 

    And from what I've read, the situation was dying down BEFORE they arrived. This nothing more than a political stunt. Can't hype up caravans this year since nobody wants to come here anymore. So boom--here is magical new red meat for people who would've voted for him anyway. 


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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,068
    DewieCox said:
    Only force necessary is to arrest and the charge then offenders. 
    Like the Bundys?
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  • jeffbr
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    DewieCox said:
    Only force necessary is to arrest and the charge then offenders. 
    Exactly. The protester across the street who was shot in the head with a rubber bullet didn't need to be shot in the head and severely injured. The peaceful US Navy veteran who was simply trying to talk to them didn't deserve to be beaten with clubs and pepper sprayed, and have his hand broken. Those goosesteppers were marching in formation down the street 2 blocks away from any federal facility. They were not just there to protect federal assets. They were there to agitate. And it worked. Everything escalated once they showed up.
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,956
    Someone suggested this morning to imagine it was the other party acting in a certain way to really help one's thinking about it. So...if President Obama had done any of this, it would be ok? Not ok? Constitutional? Not Constitutional?  Try that exercise and see what you think.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJPOWER said:
    Kat said:
    Everyone has heard of Kent State, right? Will the next step be to kill them?




    Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners...
    I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
    Funny that people who claim not to be racist or a white nationalist speak approvingly of them, hire them to work in their Administration and enact policies that further their cause. But let’s be concerned with an anarchy symbol or BLM being painted on the street.
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  • PJPOWER
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    The Juggler said:
    PJPOWER said:
    The Juggler said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Kat said:
    Everyone has heard of Kent State, right? Will the next step be to kill them?




    Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners...
    I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
    ....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
    Yes to Federal property, not state property 
    I find it odd that someone like you would be all for this, especially when these feds are in unmarked cars, have no identification on their clothes, are not reading people their rights and are not telling them where they're being taken.

    Rioting and defacing public property is abhorrent behavior but it's a local state and city issue. The federal government has no business being there unless the governor requested their help, which he did not. In fact he is pleading with them to leave. If Obama did this, I believe you would be up in arms. 

    And from what I've read, the situation was dying down BEFORE they arrived. This nothing more than a political stunt. Can't hype up caravans this year since nobody wants to come here anymore. So boom--here is magical new red meat for people who would've voted for him anyway. 


    I have mentioned that I am against them using unmarked cars, etc.  I am only supporting them guarding the Federal buildings.  Again, ONLY the Federal property!
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    PJPOWER said:
    The Juggler said:
    PJPOWER said:
    The Juggler said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Kat said:
    Everyone has heard of Kent State, right? Will the next step be to kill them?




    Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners...
    I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
    ....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
    Yes to Federal property, not state property 
    I find it odd that someone like you would be all for this, especially when these feds are in unmarked cars, have no identification on their clothes, are not reading people their rights and are not telling them where they're being taken.

    Rioting and defacing public property is abhorrent behavior but it's a local state and city issue. The federal government has no business being there unless the governor requested their help, which he did not. In fact he is pleading with them to leave. If Obama did this, I believe you would be up in arms. 

    And from what I've read, the situation was dying down BEFORE they arrived. This nothing more than a political stunt. Can't hype up caravans this year since nobody wants to come here anymore. So boom--here is magical new red meat for people who would've voted for him anyway. 


    I have mentioned that I am against them using unmarked cars, etc.  I am only supporting them guarding the Federal buildings.  Again, ONLY the Federal property!
    Okay. But that's clearly not all they're doing though.
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  • PJPOWER
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    edited July 2020
    Kat said:
    Someone suggested this morning to imagine it was the other party acting in a certain way to really help one's thinking about it. So...if President Obama had done any of this, it would be ok? Not ok? Constitutional? Not Constitutional?  Try that exercise and see what you think.
    Yes, it would be okay for Obama to have used federal resources to guard federal buildings.
  • The Juggler
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    PJPOWER said:
    Kat said:
    Someone suggested this morning to imagine it was the other party acting in a certain way to really help one's thinking about it. So...if President Obama had done any of this, it would be ok? Not ok? Constitutional? Not Constitutional?  Try that exercise and see what you think.
    Yes, it would be okay for Obama to have used federal resources to guard federal buildings.
    You're just ignoring what they're actually doing. haha
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,956
    And if they were only guarding buildings, I don't think I'd have any issue with what is happening...but that's not all that they are doing. It makes me sad to see my country in this state. :(
    Stay safe and stay strong...we're going to get through this but it won't be easy. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Hell, your governor freaked out over this 4 years ago

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  • tbergs
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    What's more concerning are the federal officers actually ok with doing the shit we've seen. It's insane. These people are clearly brainwashed in to believing what they are doing is some sort of law and order approach. Either all of the decent morally sound officers have quit or this is their Gestapo team. Volunteer based to go in and crack skulls. They love nothing more then initiating hostile confrontations because they believe they are patriots protecting our country. They should be identified and brought before a disciplinary board.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • The Juggler
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    tbergs said:
    What's more concerning are the federal officers actually ok with doing the shit we've seen. It's insane. These people are clearly brainwashed in to believing what they are doing is some sort of law and order approach. Either all of the decent morally sound officers have quit or this is their Gestapo team. Volunteer based to go in and crack skulls. They love nothing more then initiating hostile confrontations because they believe they are patriots protecting our country. They should be identified and brought before a disciplinary board.
    As they say, this is how it starts

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    tbergs said:
    What's more concerning are the federal officers actually ok with doing the shit we've seen. It's insane. These people are clearly brainwashed in to believing what they are doing is some sort of law and order approach. Either all of the decent morally sound officers have quit or this is their Gestapo team. Volunteer based to go in and crack skulls. They love nothing more then initiating hostile confrontations because they believe they are patriots protecting our country. They should be identified and brought before a disciplinary board.
    Team Trump Treason and his ilk have welcomed and dog whistled to the already known white supremacists within our military and police forces.
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  • The Juggler
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    Now he is sending troops to Chicago and Albuquerque. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    The Juggler said:
    Now he is sending troops to Chicago and Albuquerque. 
    Albuquerque? What’s going on in Albuquerque?
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