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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,785
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    ownership of hotel properties where foreign governments are putting money in your fucking pocket would kinda go against the emoulments clause of the Constitution of the United States. You know, that document elected members of government swear to uphold preserve and or defend , including the president?

    maybe I'm reading our founding document wrong.
    I think the hotels he owns are public knowledge.  Tax returns are not going to show which gov't are staying the night at the hotels.  
    what you think or what I think is really irrelevant. Is Congress within its purview to release records such as these by law. Seems they can. And should.

    I agree that it's up to the Ways and Means committee now, but I'm not sure it is helpful to release the taxes of a private citizen.  I'm sure it will be weaponized by the right in some way. 


    Coming back to this point my old pal Suozzi (on the w and m committee, for at least a few more hours) clued me into a little fact I wasn’t sure about..that all presidents are subject to mandatory tax audits, and despite trump claiming he was, and that was the reason he wasn’t releasing his taxes publicly, never in fact was audited by the irs.

    so we have level on top of level of potential crimes. Did Mnuchin forget to perform the audit, or was he coerced not to do so? Secondly, any violations of law such as emoluments clause, should we reward presidents for this behavior, by giving them incentive to run out the clock and say “too bad clock ran out, I am no longer subject to public scrutiny!” Nothing like 700 million eyeballs to keep future presidential candidates honest on their taxes and financial relationships, both domestic and international . Too bad many Americans disagree.
    Yes, the IRS failed in its obligations.  I'm not sure that means the taxes need to be released in order to hammer the IRS.  

    I don’t care about hammering the IRS. If Trump coerced his minions to not follow law, then yes, laws need to be enforced. But if we let the clock run out on trump releasing taxes, what’s to stop DeSantis from financial irregularities and lying about it  publicly? Let’s have Putin help pick the next president. Or maybe MBS. Might as well have a ceremony and burn the emoluments clause. The official one at the national archives, not some fake housed at the now closed ten club warehouse. Let’s destroy it if we ain’t enforcing it.

     Let the trumpsters like @lindamarie73 see what their votes  are doing to the constitution 

    Not really sure why we have any laws if some of the most important ones impacting the most important people are not enforced.
    No laws were broken though.  The IRS issue is a policy break,  not a law.  And releasing them now doesn't change any calculation for Desantis. If you're hiding something,  you're not going to release them. 
    Has that been definitively determined?
    I'm saying the audit requirement for presidents isn't a law,  it's a policy. 
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,125
    LOL...anything Gym Jordan is involved with is automatically shit
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,434
    LOL...anything Gym Jordan is involved with is automatically shit
    Just the hypocrisy of him wanting answers is mind boggling considering he hasn’t answered any questions on anything! What a douche 
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    ownership of hotel properties where foreign governments are putting money in your fucking pocket would kinda go against the emoulments clause of the Constitution of the United States. You know, that document elected members of government swear to uphold preserve and or defend , including the president?

    maybe I'm reading our founding document wrong.
    I think the hotels he owns are public knowledge.  Tax returns are not going to show which gov't are staying the night at the hotels.  
    what you think or what I think is really irrelevant. Is Congress within its purview to release records such as these by law. Seems they can. And should.

    I agree that it's up to the Ways and Means committee now, but I'm not sure it is helpful to release the taxes of a private citizen.  I'm sure it will be weaponized by the right in some way. 


    Coming back to this point my old pal Suozzi (on the w and m committee, for at least a few more hours) clued me into a little fact I wasn’t sure about..that all presidents are subject to mandatory tax audits, and despite trump claiming he was, and that was the reason he wasn’t releasing his taxes publicly, never in fact was audited by the irs.

    so we have level on top of level of potential crimes. Did Mnuchin forget to perform the audit, or was he coerced not to do so? Secondly, any violations of law such as emoluments clause, should we reward presidents for this behavior, by giving them incentive to run out the clock and say “too bad clock ran out, I am no longer subject to public scrutiny!” Nothing like 700 million eyeballs to keep future presidential candidates honest on their taxes and financial relationships, both domestic and international . Too bad many Americans disagree.
    Yes, the IRS failed in its obligations.  I'm not sure that means the taxes need to be released in order to hammer the IRS.  

    I don’t care about hammering the IRS. If Trump coerced his minions to not follow law, then yes, laws need to be enforced. But if we let the clock run out on trump releasing taxes, what’s to stop DeSantis from financial irregularities and lying about it  publicly? Let’s have Putin help pick the next president. Or maybe MBS. Might as well have a ceremony and burn the emoluments clause. The official one at the national archives, not some fake housed at the now closed ten club warehouse. Let’s destroy it if we ain’t enforcing it.

     Let the trumpsters like @lindamarie73 see what their votes  are doing to the constitution 

    Not really sure why we have any laws if some of the most important ones impacting the most important people are not enforced.
    No laws were broken though.  The IRS issue is a policy break,  not a law.  And releasing them now doesn't change any calculation for Desantis. If you're hiding something,  you're not going to release them. 
    Has that been definitively determined?
    I'm saying the audit requirement for presidents isn't a law,  it's a policy. 
    Ahhh, hence the proposed legislation to make it law. That said, you and I both know there's criminality in POOTWH's tax returns. How does claiming a $900M loss make you a "successful businessman?"
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    ikiT said:
    Its garbage. List of bullet points titled "Key Findings" and yet the recommendations are just three pages and appear to be all administrative changes. Sure, that'll equip and train the capitol police. And the extent of the violence, as described, is limited to, "they broke into the senate chambers and took selfies and rifled through some papers." Not worth reading nor the paper its printed on.

    Nothing but a distraction and pointing fingers away from those truly responsible. Spineless. And to think they're members of congress and will be the majority on January 3rd. Gym Jordan can go fuck himself. What a POS. How does anyone take them seriously? This is really, really revelatory (what did they say and when did they say it and who did they say it to?):

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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,125
    edited December 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    ownership of hotel properties where foreign governments are putting money in your fucking pocket would kinda go against the emoulments clause of the Constitution of the United States. You know, that document elected members of government swear to uphold preserve and or defend , including the president?

    maybe I'm reading our founding document wrong.
    I think the hotels he owns are public knowledge.  Tax returns are not going to show which gov't are staying the night at the hotels.  
    what you think or what I think is really irrelevant. Is Congress within its purview to release records such as these by law. Seems they can. And should.

    I agree that it's up to the Ways and Means committee now, but I'm not sure it is helpful to release the taxes of a private citizen.  I'm sure it will be weaponized by the right in some way. 


    Coming back to this point my old pal Suozzi (on the w and m committee, for at least a few more hours) clued me into a little fact I wasn’t sure about..that all presidents are subject to mandatory tax audits, and despite trump claiming he was, and that was the reason he wasn’t releasing his taxes publicly, never in fact was audited by the irs.

    so we have level on top of level of potential crimes. Did Mnuchin forget to perform the audit, or was he coerced not to do so? Secondly, any violations of law such as emoluments clause, should we reward presidents for this behavior, by giving them incentive to run out the clock and say “too bad clock ran out, I am no longer subject to public scrutiny!” Nothing like 700 million eyeballs to keep future presidential candidates honest on their taxes and financial relationships, both domestic and international . Too bad many Americans disagree.
    Yes, the IRS failed in its obligations.  I'm not sure that means the taxes need to be released in order to hammer the IRS.  

    I don’t care about hammering the IRS. If Trump coerced his minions to not follow law, then yes, laws need to be enforced. But if we let the clock run out on trump releasing taxes, what’s to stop DeSantis from financial irregularities and lying about it  publicly? Let’s have Putin help pick the next president. Or maybe MBS. Might as well have a ceremony and burn the emoluments clause. The official one at the national archives, not some fake housed at the now closed ten club warehouse. Let’s destroy it if we ain’t enforcing it.

     Let the trumpsters like @lindamarie73 see what their votes  are doing to the constitution 

    Not really sure why we have any laws if some of the most important ones impacting the most important people are not enforced.
    No laws were broken though.  The IRS issue is a policy break,  not a law.  And releasing them now doesn't change any calculation for Desantis. If you're hiding something,  you're not going to release them. 
    Has that been definitively determined?
    I'm saying the audit requirement for presidents isn't a law,  it's a policy. 
    Ahhh, hence the proposed legislation to make it law. That said, you and I both know there's criminality in POOTWH's tax returns. How does claiming a $900M loss make you a "successful businessman?"
    It's possible...but a loss that large doesn't make sense for someone like him. A large loss in one activity can offset income in another so they are clearly either not planning very well for him or he is a complete loser at making money in real estate.

    All of the details have not come out but it does look like his interest income is increasing each year. I'm curious to find out why.
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,220
    edited December 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    ownership of hotel properties where foreign governments are putting money in your fucking pocket would kinda go against the emoulments clause of the Constitution of the United States. You know, that document elected members of government swear to uphold preserve and or defend , including the president?

    maybe I'm reading our founding document wrong.
    I think the hotels he owns are public knowledge.  Tax returns are not going to show which gov't are staying the night at the hotels.  
    what you think or what I think is really irrelevant. Is Congress within its purview to release records such as these by law. Seems they can. And should.

    I agree that it's up to the Ways and Means committee now, but I'm not sure it is helpful to release the taxes of a private citizen.  I'm sure it will be weaponized by the right in some way. 


    Coming back to this point my old pal Suozzi (on the w and m committee, for at least a few more hours) clued me into a little fact I wasn’t sure about..that all presidents are subject to mandatory tax audits, and despite trump claiming he was, and that was the reason he wasn’t releasing his taxes publicly, never in fact was audited by the irs.

    so we have level on top of level of potential crimes. Did Mnuchin forget to perform the audit, or was he coerced not to do so? Secondly, any violations of law such as emoluments clause, should we reward presidents for this behavior, by giving them incentive to run out the clock and say “too bad clock ran out, I am no longer subject to public scrutiny!” Nothing like 700 million eyeballs to keep future presidential candidates honest on their taxes and financial relationships, both domestic and international . Too bad many Americans disagree.
    Yes, the IRS failed in its obligations.  I'm not sure that means the taxes need to be released in order to hammer the IRS.  

    I don’t care about hammering the IRS. If Trump coerced his minions to not follow law, then yes, laws need to be enforced. But if we let the clock run out on trump releasing taxes, what’s to stop DeSantis from financial irregularities and lying about it  publicly? Let’s have Putin help pick the next president. Or maybe MBS. Might as well have a ceremony and burn the emoluments clause. The official one at the national archives, not some fake housed at the now closed ten club warehouse. Let’s destroy it if we ain’t enforcing it.

     Let the trumpsters like @lindamarie73 see what their votes  are doing to the constitution 

    Not really sure why we have any laws if some of the most important ones impacting the most important people are not enforced.
    No laws were broken though.  The IRS issue is a policy break,  not a law.  And releasing them now doesn't change any calculation for Desantis. If you're hiding something,  you're not going to release them. 
    Has that been definitively determined?
    I'm saying the audit requirement for presidents isn't a law,  it's a policy. 
     IRS regulations are stronger than policy. typically IRS regulations are followed by ordinary citizens, because non compliance leads to bad outcomes for taxpayers . Regulations interpret and give directions on complying with the law.

     
      Where a law could have been broken is why the IRS did not follow its regulations. If it was pressure from trump to the treasury to cover up a likely violation of emoluments, that’s where laws may have been broken.

    edit, it’s the same old obstruction of justice game he plays all the time, but in irs speak.
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    ownership of hotel properties where foreign governments are putting money in your fucking pocket would kinda go against the emoulments clause of the Constitution of the United States. You know, that document elected members of government swear to uphold preserve and or defend , including the president?

    maybe I'm reading our founding document wrong.
    I think the hotels he owns are public knowledge.  Tax returns are not going to show which gov't are staying the night at the hotels.  
    what you think or what I think is really irrelevant. Is Congress within its purview to release records such as these by law. Seems they can. And should.

    I agree that it's up to the Ways and Means committee now, but I'm not sure it is helpful to release the taxes of a private citizen.  I'm sure it will be weaponized by the right in some way. 


    Coming back to this point my old pal Suozzi (on the w and m committee, for at least a few more hours) clued me into a little fact I wasn’t sure about..that all presidents are subject to mandatory tax audits, and despite trump claiming he was, and that was the reason he wasn’t releasing his taxes publicly, never in fact was audited by the irs.

    so we have level on top of level of potential crimes. Did Mnuchin forget to perform the audit, or was he coerced not to do so? Secondly, any violations of law such as emoluments clause, should we reward presidents for this behavior, by giving them incentive to run out the clock and say “too bad clock ran out, I am no longer subject to public scrutiny!” Nothing like 700 million eyeballs to keep future presidential candidates honest on their taxes and financial relationships, both domestic and international . Too bad many Americans disagree.
    Yes, the IRS failed in its obligations.  I'm not sure that means the taxes need to be released in order to hammer the IRS.  

    I don’t care about hammering the IRS. If Trump coerced his minions to not follow law, then yes, laws need to be enforced. But if we let the clock run out on trump releasing taxes, what’s to stop DeSantis from financial irregularities and lying about it  publicly? Let’s have Putin help pick the next president. Or maybe MBS. Might as well have a ceremony and burn the emoluments clause. The official one at the national archives, not some fake housed at the now closed ten club warehouse. Let’s destroy it if we ain’t enforcing it.

     Let the trumpsters like @lindamarie73 see what their votes  are doing to the constitution 

    Not really sure why we have any laws if some of the most important ones impacting the most important people are not enforced.
    No laws were broken though.  The IRS issue is a policy break,  not a law.  And releasing them now doesn't change any calculation for Desantis. If you're hiding something,  you're not going to release them. 
    Has that been definitively determined?
    I'm saying the audit requirement for presidents isn't a law,  it's a policy. 
     IRS regulations are stronger than policy. typically IRS regulations are followed by ordinary citizens, because non compliance leads to bad outcomes for taxpayers . Regulations interpret and give directions on complying with the law.

       Where a law could have been broken is why the IRS did not follow its regulations. If it was pressure from trump to the treasury to cover up a likely violation of emoluments, that’s where laws may have been broken.

    edit, it’s the same old obstruction of justice game he plays all the time, but in irs speak.
    Except I'd refer to it as the same old "corruption" game. If you read the J6 Committee summary and compare POOTWH's behaviors with all of his past shenanigans, its all corruption, all the time. And its the same pattern of defense. And its rife and its ongoing and constant. POOTWH genuinely believes that the law, "norms", practice, policy, whatever, do not apply to him and if confronted, he lawyers up, delays, files lawsuits and threatens, and ultimately buys his way out by offering up huge sums of money (POOTWHU anyone?). POOTWH knows what he's doing, he can't claim ignorance or point the finger because he's the center of it. POOTWH's 600 shell companies are a front for corruption.

    Its time for a RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICO indictment and not a singer. And POOTWH needs to be roused from bed, arrested, charged, booked, fingerprinted and mug shotted, stripped searched and held in jail until his flight risk and bond hearing are held and his passports are surrendered. These are the only things that stop criminals from being criminals. Enough is enough.
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    ownership of hotel properties where foreign governments are putting money in your fucking pocket would kinda go against the emoulments clause of the Constitution of the United States. You know, that document elected members of government swear to uphold preserve and or defend , including the president?

    maybe I'm reading our founding document wrong.
    I think the hotels he owns are public knowledge.  Tax returns are not going to show which gov't are staying the night at the hotels.  
    what you think or what I think is really irrelevant. Is Congress within its purview to release records such as these by law. Seems they can. And should.

    I agree that it's up to the Ways and Means committee now, but I'm not sure it is helpful to release the taxes of a private citizen.  I'm sure it will be weaponized by the right in some way. 


    Coming back to this point my old pal Suozzi (on the w and m committee, for at least a few more hours) clued me into a little fact I wasn’t sure about..that all presidents are subject to mandatory tax audits, and despite trump claiming he was, and that was the reason he wasn’t releasing his taxes publicly, never in fact was audited by the irs.

    so we have level on top of level of potential crimes. Did Mnuchin forget to perform the audit, or was he coerced not to do so? Secondly, any violations of law such as emoluments clause, should we reward presidents for this behavior, by giving them incentive to run out the clock and say “too bad clock ran out, I am no longer subject to public scrutiny!” Nothing like 700 million eyeballs to keep future presidential candidates honest on their taxes and financial relationships, both domestic and international . Too bad many Americans disagree.
    Yes, the IRS failed in its obligations.  I'm not sure that means the taxes need to be released in order to hammer the IRS.  

    I don’t care about hammering the IRS. If Trump coerced his minions to not follow law, then yes, laws need to be enforced. But if we let the clock run out on trump releasing taxes, what’s to stop DeSantis from financial irregularities and lying about it  publicly? Let’s have Putin help pick the next president. Or maybe MBS. Might as well have a ceremony and burn the emoluments clause. The official one at the national archives, not some fake housed at the now closed ten club warehouse. Let’s destroy it if we ain’t enforcing it.

     Let the trumpsters like @lindamarie73 see what their votes  are doing to the constitution 

    Not really sure why we have any laws if some of the most important ones impacting the most important people are not enforced.
    No laws were broken though.  The IRS issue is a policy break,  not a law.  And releasing them now doesn't change any calculation for Desantis. If you're hiding something,  you're not going to release them. 
    Has that been definitively determined?
    I'm saying the audit requirement for presidents isn't a law,  it's a policy. 
     IRS regulations are stronger than policy. typically IRS regulations are followed by ordinary citizens, because non compliance leads to bad outcomes for taxpayers . Regulations interpret and give directions on complying with the law.

       Where a law could have been broken is why the IRS did not follow its regulations. If it was pressure from trump to the treasury to cover up a likely violation of emoluments, that’s where laws may have been broken.

    edit, it’s the same old obstruction of justice game he plays all the time, but in irs speak.
    Except I'd refer to it as the same old "corruption" game. If you read the J6 Committee summary and compare POOTWH's behaviors with all of his past shenanigans, its all corruption, all the time. And its the same pattern of defense. And its rife and its ongoing and constant. POOTWH genuinely believes that the law, "norms", practice, policy, whatever, do not apply to him and if confronted, he lawyers up, delays, files lawsuits and threatens, and ultimately buys his way out by offering up huge sums of money (POOTWHU anyone?). POOTWH knows what he's doing, he can't claim ignorance or point the finger because he's the center of it. POOTWH's 600 shell companies are a front for corruption.

    Its time for a RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICO indictment and not a singer. And POOTWH needs to be roused from bed, arrested, charged, booked, fingerprinted and mug shotted, stripped searched and held in jail until his flight risk and bond hearing are held and his passports are surrendered. These are the only things that stop criminals from being criminals. Enough is enough.


    Now they’re uncovering questions that he avoided taxes on large gifts, all because they are reviewing and releasing his returns. Saying it’s not helpful to release taxes of a private citizen is not applicable here. If the entire country except one is subject to IRS regulations, and presidents can evade taxes by evading regulations because they alone can override the treasury, then the only way to enforce tax laws is via congressional oversight and public scrutiny 
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,434
    So a president can just refuse to pay taxes because he is the president but regular citizens go to jail? Or is it the way you evade taxes that determines the level of scrutiny? 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,785
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    ownership of hotel properties where foreign governments are putting money in your fucking pocket would kinda go against the emoulments clause of the Constitution of the United States. You know, that document elected members of government swear to uphold preserve and or defend , including the president?

    maybe I'm reading our founding document wrong.
    I think the hotels he owns are public knowledge.  Tax returns are not going to show which gov't are staying the night at the hotels.  
    what you think or what I think is really irrelevant. Is Congress within its purview to release records such as these by law. Seems they can. And should.

    I agree that it's up to the Ways and Means committee now, but I'm not sure it is helpful to release the taxes of a private citizen.  I'm sure it will be weaponized by the right in some way. 


    Coming back to this point my old pal Suozzi (on the w and m committee, for at least a few more hours) clued me into a little fact I wasn’t sure about..that all presidents are subject to mandatory tax audits, and despite trump claiming he was, and that was the reason he wasn’t releasing his taxes publicly, never in fact was audited by the irs.

    so we have level on top of level of potential crimes. Did Mnuchin forget to perform the audit, or was he coerced not to do so? Secondly, any violations of law such as emoluments clause, should we reward presidents for this behavior, by giving them incentive to run out the clock and say “too bad clock ran out, I am no longer subject to public scrutiny!” Nothing like 700 million eyeballs to keep future presidential candidates honest on their taxes and financial relationships, both domestic and international . Too bad many Americans disagree.
    Yes, the IRS failed in its obligations.  I'm not sure that means the taxes need to be released in order to hammer the IRS.  

    I don’t care about hammering the IRS. If Trump coerced his minions to not follow law, then yes, laws need to be enforced. But if we let the clock run out on trump releasing taxes, what’s to stop DeSantis from financial irregularities and lying about it  publicly? Let’s have Putin help pick the next president. Or maybe MBS. Might as well have a ceremony and burn the emoluments clause. The official one at the national archives, not some fake housed at the now closed ten club warehouse. Let’s destroy it if we ain’t enforcing it.

     Let the trumpsters like @lindamarie73 see what their votes  are doing to the constitution 

    Not really sure why we have any laws if some of the most important ones impacting the most important people are not enforced.
    No laws were broken though.  The IRS issue is a policy break,  not a law.  And releasing them now doesn't change any calculation for Desantis. If you're hiding something,  you're not going to release them. 
    Has that been definitively determined?
    I'm saying the audit requirement for presidents isn't a law,  it's a policy. 
     IRS regulations are stronger than policy. typically IRS regulations are followed by ordinary citizens, because non compliance leads to bad outcomes for taxpayers . Regulations interpret and give directions on complying with the law.

       Where a law could have been broken is why the IRS did not follow its regulations. If it was pressure from trump to the treasury to cover up a likely violation of emoluments, that’s where laws may have been broken.

    edit, it’s the same old obstruction of justice game he plays all the time, but in irs speak.
    Except I'd refer to it as the same old "corruption" game. If you read the J6 Committee summary and compare POOTWH's behaviors with all of his past shenanigans, its all corruption, all the time. And its the same pattern of defense. And its rife and its ongoing and constant. POOTWH genuinely believes that the law, "norms", practice, policy, whatever, do not apply to him and if confronted, he lawyers up, delays, files lawsuits and threatens, and ultimately buys his way out by offering up huge sums of money (POOTWHU anyone?). POOTWH knows what he's doing, he can't claim ignorance or point the finger because he's the center of it. POOTWH's 600 shell companies are a front for corruption.

    Its time for a RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICO indictment and not a singer. And POOTWH needs to be roused from bed, arrested, charged, booked, fingerprinted and mug shotted, stripped searched and held in jail until his flight risk and bond hearing are held and his passports are surrendered. These are the only things that stop criminals from being criminals. Enough is enough.


    Now they’re uncovering questions that he avoided taxes on large gifts, all because they are reviewing and releasing his returns. Saying it’s not helpful to release taxes of a private citizen is not applicable here. If the entire country except one is subject to IRS regulations, and presidents can evade taxes by evading regulations because they alone can override the treasury, then the only way to enforce tax laws is via congressional oversight and public scrutiny 
    But all that could be accomplished without public releasing. The IRS could start pursuing him today irrespective of whether the release occurred. 
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,220
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    ownership of hotel properties where foreign governments are putting money in your fucking pocket would kinda go against the emoulments clause of the Constitution of the United States. You know, that document elected members of government swear to uphold preserve and or defend , including the president?

    maybe I'm reading our founding document wrong.
    I think the hotels he owns are public knowledge.  Tax returns are not going to show which gov't are staying the night at the hotels.  
    what you think or what I think is really irrelevant. Is Congress within its purview to release records such as these by law. Seems they can. And should.

    I agree that it's up to the Ways and Means committee now, but I'm not sure it is helpful to release the taxes of a private citizen.  I'm sure it will be weaponized by the right in some way. 


    Coming back to this point my old pal Suozzi (on the w and m committee, for at least a few more hours) clued me into a little fact I wasn’t sure about..that all presidents are subject to mandatory tax audits, and despite trump claiming he was, and that was the reason he wasn’t releasing his taxes publicly, never in fact was audited by the irs.

    so we have level on top of level of potential crimes. Did Mnuchin forget to perform the audit, or was he coerced not to do so? Secondly, any violations of law such as emoluments clause, should we reward presidents for this behavior, by giving them incentive to run out the clock and say “too bad clock ran out, I am no longer subject to public scrutiny!” Nothing like 700 million eyeballs to keep future presidential candidates honest on their taxes and financial relationships, both domestic and international . Too bad many Americans disagree.
    Yes, the IRS failed in its obligations.  I'm not sure that means the taxes need to be released in order to hammer the IRS.  

    I don’t care about hammering the IRS. If Trump coerced his minions to not follow law, then yes, laws need to be enforced. But if we let the clock run out on trump releasing taxes, what’s to stop DeSantis from financial irregularities and lying about it  publicly? Let’s have Putin help pick the next president. Or maybe MBS. Might as well have a ceremony and burn the emoluments clause. The official one at the national archives, not some fake housed at the now closed ten club warehouse. Let’s destroy it if we ain’t enforcing it.

     Let the trumpsters like @lindamarie73 see what their votes  are doing to the constitution 

    Not really sure why we have any laws if some of the most important ones impacting the most important people are not enforced.
    No laws were broken though.  The IRS issue is a policy break,  not a law.  And releasing them now doesn't change any calculation for Desantis. If you're hiding something,  you're not going to release them. 
    Has that been definitively determined?
    I'm saying the audit requirement for presidents isn't a law,  it's a policy. 
     IRS regulations are stronger than policy. typically IRS regulations are followed by ordinary citizens, because non compliance leads to bad outcomes for taxpayers . Regulations interpret and give directions on complying with the law.

       Where a law could have been broken is why the IRS did not follow its regulations. If it was pressure from trump to the treasury to cover up a likely violation of emoluments, that’s where laws may have been broken.

    edit, it’s the same old obstruction of justice game he plays all the time, but in irs speak.
    Except I'd refer to it as the same old "corruption" game. If you read the J6 Committee summary and compare POOTWH's behaviors with all of his past shenanigans, its all corruption, all the time. And its the same pattern of defense. And its rife and its ongoing and constant. POOTWH genuinely believes that the law, "norms", practice, policy, whatever, do not apply to him and if confronted, he lawyers up, delays, files lawsuits and threatens, and ultimately buys his way out by offering up huge sums of money (POOTWHU anyone?). POOTWH knows what he's doing, he can't claim ignorance or point the finger because he's the center of it. POOTWH's 600 shell companies are a front for corruption.

    Its time for a RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICO indictment and not a singer. And POOTWH needs to be roused from bed, arrested, charged, booked, fingerprinted and mug shotted, stripped searched and held in jail until his flight risk and bond hearing are held and his passports are surrendered. These are the only things that stop criminals from being criminals. Enough is enough.


    Now they’re uncovering questions that he avoided taxes on large gifts, all because they are reviewing and releasing his returns. Saying it’s not helpful to release taxes of a private citizen is not applicable here. If the entire country except one is subject to IRS regulations, and presidents can evade taxes by evading regulations because they alone can override the treasury, then the only way to enforce tax laws is via congressional oversight and public scrutiny 
    But all that could be accomplished without public releasing. The IRS could start pursuing him today irrespective of whether the release occurred. 


    But it wasn’t. It’s only seeing light of day now, because congress won the right in court to review. Once staffers get their eyes on it, details are getting released either properly or improperly. Might as well codify regulations into law.

    America is a greater place when all future candidates know that any tax shenanigans will become public knowledge.
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    ikiT said:
    His daily misery postings are fucking hilarious. 
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,025
    I had almost nothing to do with January 6th. 
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,321
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    I had almost nothing to do with January 6th. 

    so to understand you former precedent fuckstick did have something to do with Jan 6...
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,025
    Three minutes of bullshit you'll never, EVER, get back.  It'll be a MIRACLE if you make it through 10 fucking seconds.

    Those tax returns hit at MIDDAY.

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    "but nobody ever says that"

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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    "in their fake trial, and this was really fake!"  He should seriously take a stab at being a comedian.
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    DJSim22DJSim22 Hastings MN Posts: 4
    Lock him up for the rest of his days!
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    static111 said:
    "in their fake trial, and this was really fake!"  He should seriously take a stab at being a comedian.
    Hilarious, funny guy. You're right, POOTWH is a comedian. Just needs a different stage, and not the Oval, to perform from. Maybe the prison gym or yard would be a better venue? From the 1/6 Committee Report (page 219):

    On November 19th, Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, and Jenna Ellis held a press conference at the Republican National Committee (RNC) headquarters in Washington, DC. Powell asserted that there was “massive influence of communist money through Venezuela, Cuba, and likely China in the interference with our elections here in the United States.”186 She pointed a finger at Dominion, claiming its software was “created in Venezuela at the direction of Hugo Chavez to make sure he never lost an election,” and Giuliani echoed her claims.187

    Hope Hicks told the Select Committee how that press conference was received in the White House. The day after the press conference, President Trump spoke by phone with Sidney Powell from the Oval Office. During the call, Powell repeated the same claims of foreign interference in the election she had made at the press conference. While she was speaking, the President muted his speakerphone and laughed at Powell, telling the others in the room, “This does sound crazy, doesn’t it?”188
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,025
    When do the ARRESTS start?  for FUCKS sake
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,267
    is there a clif's notes version of that? did they both take the 5th on most questions?
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,025
    Shoutout to Ben Franklin

    Our new Constitution is now established and has an appearance that promises permanency; but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.

    Mmmm taxes.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,025
    is there a clif's notes version of that? did they both take the 5th on most questions?


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    I wonder how much income tax Hillary Clinton paid in those twenty years of tax returns she released? Hmmmmm. From WaPo:

    The returns show that Trump paid little, if anything, in income taxes over six years including the four in which he served as president. They have also raised questions over the lengths he took to claim tax deductions on items that may not warrant it to evade paying taxes.
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