I’ll raise you one, both funny but unrealistic. His party is going to win the house which will be huge for stopping spending especially on the climate, and maybe the senate, which is huge for all the courts and appointment confirmations. They will be able to investigate the Dems nonstop. Looking at what happened in normally blue suburbs in ny, and fl, and his election denier in AZ could make that state very difficult for Dems in 2024. trump has ample evidence to carry on.
He gets GOP turnout like no one else. The election went fairly close to predictions, and if deathsantis and trump find a way to form an alliance, many say, including many in this forum, deathsantis alone is enough to take back the presidency
Americans will vote for coal, abortion bans, drilling, tax cuts for the elite…all they want is a pretty, well speaking package to get it from.
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Imagine supporting and believing in such a demonstrable piece of shit as Donald J Trump?
I'm curious how they will reconcile supporting Desantis once tRump starts trashing him or vice versa. Should be good hypocrisy.
....while under indictment, most likely.
The next year or so will be fascinating to watch them eat themselves alive. Plus if their majority in the house is only a few seats or so, those nimrods will be at each others throats too.
Imagine supporting and believing in such a demonstrable piece of shit as Donald J Trump?
I'm curious how they will reconcile supporting Desantis once tRump starts trashing him or vice versa. Should be good hypocrisy.
....while under indictment, most likely.
The next year or so will be fascinating to watch them eat themselves alive. Plus if their majority in the house is only a few seats or so, those nimrods will be at each others throats too.
The more rational minded republicans are hoping Trump just gives up or “retires” from politics and then they can ignore him and pretend it didn’t happen. They don’t understand Narcissistic Personality Disorder and how disappearing would be completely counter to it all. “They’re all narcissists” I would hear. Watching this turn into a full on disaster would bring me immense joy. I hope it was worth the tax cuts!
Imagine supporting and believing in such a demonstrable piece of shit as Donald J Trump?
I'm curious how they will reconcile supporting Desantis once tRump starts trashing him or vice versa. Should be good hypocrisy.
....while under indictment, most likely.
The next year or so will be fascinating to watch them eat themselves alive. Plus if their majority in the house is only a few seats or so, those nimrods will be at each others throats too.
many thought the same in 2016. most thought trump had zero chance. then all the repubs who called him a kook or who he made fun of their wives, etc, fell in line when they saw how the chips were falling. it could easily happen that way again. I don't think it will, but it could.
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Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,501
Imagine supporting and believing in such a demonstrable piece of shit as Donald J Trump?
I'm curious how they will reconcile supporting Desantis once tRump starts trashing him or vice versa. Should be good hypocrisy.
....while under indictment, most likely.
The next year or so will be fascinating to watch them eat themselves alive. Plus if their majority in the house is only a few seats or so, those nimrods will be at each others throats too.
many thought the same in 2016. most thought trump had zero chance. then all the repubs who called him a kook or who he made fun of their wives, etc, fell in line when they saw how the chips were falling. it could easily happen that way again. I don't think it will, but it could.
Good. Let them fall in line. Easier path to victory in 2024 with Trump on the ticket.
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The more rational minded republicans are hoping Trump just gives up or “retires” from politics and then they can ignore him and pretend it didn’t happen. They don’t understand Narcissistic Personality Disorder and how disappearing would be completely counter to it all. “They’re all narcissists” I would hear. Watching this turn into a full on disaster would bring me immense joy. I hope it was worth the tax cuts!
As Linda said, things are about to get entertaining!
Imagine supporting and believing in such a demonstrable piece of shit as Donald J Trump?
I'm curious how they will reconcile supporting Desantis once tRump starts trashing him or vice versa. Should be good hypocrisy.
....while under indictment, most likely.
The next year or so will be fascinating to watch them eat themselves alive. Plus if their majority in the house is only a few seats or so, those nimrods will be at each others throats too.
many thought the same in 2016. most thought trump had zero chance. then all the repubs who called him a kook or who he made fun of their wives, etc, fell in line when they saw how the chips were falling. it could easily happen that way again. I don't think it will, but it could.
The most likely scenario is a continuation of the pattern, unless a republican “leader” steps up to move the party past Trump, but the risk from that is high for an unknown reward. They all got behind Trump when he lost in ‘20, so why wouldn’t they stay with him now? DeSantis’s political future is safer if he doesn't run in ‘24, claiming he stilli has work to do for the good people of Florida. Good chance Trump is dead by ‘28.
imagine a Trump/Desantis double bill. Think Desantis would be content with VP then being the nom in 2028?
I don't think so.
First, Trump has railroaded pretty much everyone he has worked with. I would think desantis and his people know this
His star is also rising now. Who knows how it will be in 2028, especially after 4-6 years of taking the ride with Trump.
He doesn't need Trump for 2024, and you can make a strong case that Trump weakens desantis' position
Trump is poison for Rs now in a national election. He plays great in deep red areas. Nobody better, even Jesus. Purple and blue though, he drives the opposition to the polls in record numbers and also drives away a small slice of his own party. Desantis can inspire the deep red areas, but also not mobilize the opposition so much
There is zero chance desantis would nuke a blue state because the governor said a mean thing on social media. Trump, I'd put the odds somewhere above zero.
i think it is fair to say that any remaining republican politicians have nothing to fear by crossing trump. the fact that the right wing media, most of it anyway, is dunking on him should be the bat signal that they can move on to the desantis cult.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
i think it is fair to say that any remaining republican politicians have nothing to fear by crossing trump. the fact that the right wing media, most of it anyway, is dunking on him should be the bat signal that they can move on to the desantis cult.
I’m a solid wait and see on this one seeing how they passed up on 200 opportunities to reject him.
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Sharp attacks on Trump from Rupert Murdoch's news outlets
By DAVID BAUDER
46 mins ago
NEW YORK (AP) — Former President Donald Trump has taken some hits in the aftermath of the midterm elections, but the unkindest cuts may have come from a source that was once among his biggest backers — the media empire of magnate Rupert Murdoch.
The New York Post's front cover on Thursday put Trump's face over the drawing of a boy from a well-known nursery rhyme. The headline: “Trumpty Dumpty.”
“Don (who couldn't build a wall) had a great fall — can all of the GOP's men put the party back together again?” the newspaper wrote.
The Wall Street Journal's opinion section ran a sharp editorial headlined, “Trump is the Republican Party's Biggest Loser.” While Fox News' biggest stars were relatively quiet, the former president heard enough discouraging words to attack the network on social media.
Trump was blamed for supporting losing or underperforming candidates like Mehmet Oz in Pennsylvania, Don Bolduc in New Hampshire and Blake Masters in Arizona that cost Republicans a chance to make big gains in the House and Senate, as many had predicted.
The Journal's editorial mentioned each of those names and more, saying that Trump had “a perfect record of electoral defeat” since his victory over Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election.
“Democrats succeeded again in making Trump a central campaign issue, and Mr. Trump helped them do it,” the Journal said.
The newspaper on Thursday also ran a guest column touting Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis as an alternative to Trump for the 2024 presidential election, and an excerpt from former Vice President Mike Pence's new book headlined, “My last days with Donald Trump.”
On the Post's website, veteran columnist John Podhoretz dubbed the former president “Toxic Trump.”
Podhoretz wrote that Trump was “the political equivalent of a can of Raid” and “perhaps the most profound vote repellent in modern American history.”
The Post ran an editorial urging DeSantis run for president. A day earlier, the newspaper's cover featured a triumphant picture of DeSantis with the headline, “DeFuture.”
A spokesman for Murdoch's News Corp. said he had no comment on the editorial choices. It's not like the outlets have never criticized Trump, but the tone and timing were noteworthy.
Non-Murdoch affiliated conservative figures and outlets took some shots at Trump. The Washington Examiner wrote that Republicans needed to choose between electoral success or Trump, while American Thinker said Trump is devolving into a permanent liability, according to The Righting newsletter.
Some Fox News stars tread lightly into critical territory. Jesse Watters talked Wednesday of a 2024 presidential election rematch between Trump and President Joe Biden.
“Does Trump win?" Watters said. “I hope so. I love the guy. A week ago, I would have said slam dunk. But after how last night shook out, I don't know now. Democrats will walk over hot coals to vote against Trump, but will Republicans do that to vote against Joe Biden?”
Another Fox host, Laura Ingraham, didn't mention Trump's name but said the populist movement is about ideas, not one person.
“If the voters conclude that you're putting your own ego or your own grudges ahead of what's good for the country, they're going to look elsewhere,” she said.
Trump has all but promised that he would announce a 2024 candidacy as soon as next week. But his former White House press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, said on Fox that no potential candidates should announce before the Dec. 6 runoff election for the U.S. Senate seat in Georgia. Dov Hikind, a “Fox & Friends” guest, said Trump should announce his support for DeSantis.
“Donald Trump, move on,” he said.
That appeared unlikely, given that Trump recently referred to the Florida governor as “Ron DeSanctimonious." He also posted Wednesday on Truth Social that he got more votes in Florida in 2020 than DeSantis did this week — even though they were running for different offices and not against each other.
A Trump representative did not immediately return a message seeking comment.
The former president posted that Fox News was “really gone,” and he disputed stories that he had backed losers. He was particularly critical of The New York Times for a story that said he was angry at his wife, Melania, and Fox News' Sean Hannity for pushing him to back Oz's Senate candidacy in Pennsylvania.
“I was not at all ANGRY,” he wrote. “Fake news!”
____
Associated Press researcher Rhonda Shafner in New York contributed to this report.
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Sharp attacks on Trump from Rupert Murdoch's news outlets
By DAVID BAUDER
46 mins ago
NEW YORK (AP) — Former President Donald Trump has taken some hits in the aftermath of the midterm elections, but the unkindest cuts may have come from a source that was once among his biggest backers — the media empire of magnate Rupert Murdoch.
The New York Post's front cover on Thursday put Trump's face over the drawing of a boy from a well-known nursery rhyme. The headline: “Trumpty Dumpty.”
“Don (who couldn't build a wall) had a great fall — can all of the GOP's men put the party back together again?” the newspaper wrote.
The Wall Street Journal's opinion section ran a sharp editorial headlined, “Trump is the Republican Party's Biggest Loser.” While Fox News' biggest stars were relatively quiet, the former president heard enough discouraging words to attack the network on social media.
Trump was blamed for supporting losing or underperforming candidates like Mehmet Oz in Pennsylvania, Don Bolduc in New Hampshire and Blake Masters in Arizona that cost Republicans a chance to make big gains in the House and Senate, as many had predicted.
The Journal's editorial mentioned each of those names and more, saying that Trump had “a perfect record of electoral defeat” since his victory over Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election.
“Democrats succeeded again in making Trump a central campaign issue, and Mr. Trump helped them do it,” the Journal said.
The newspaper on Thursday also ran a guest column touting Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis as an alternative to Trump for the 2024 presidential election, and an excerpt from former Vice President Mike Pence's new book headlined, “My last days with Donald Trump.”
On the Post's website, veteran columnist John Podhoretz dubbed the former president “Toxic Trump.”
Podhoretz wrote that Trump was “the political equivalent of a can of Raid” and “perhaps the most profound vote repellent in modern American history.”
The Post ran an editorial urging DeSantis run for president. A day earlier, the newspaper's cover featured a triumphant picture of DeSantis with the headline, “DeFuture.”
A spokesman for Murdoch's News Corp. said he had no comment on the editorial choices. It's not like the outlets have never criticized Trump, but the tone and timing were noteworthy.
Non-Murdoch affiliated conservative figures and outlets took some shots at Trump. The Washington Examiner wrote that Republicans needed to choose between electoral success or Trump, while American Thinker said Trump is devolving into a permanent liability, according to The Righting newsletter.
Some Fox News stars tread lightly into critical territory. Jesse Watters talked Wednesday of a 2024 presidential election rematch between Trump and President Joe Biden.
“Does Trump win?" Watters said. “I hope so. I love the guy. A week ago, I would have said slam dunk. But after how last night shook out, I don't know now. Democrats will walk over hot coals to vote against Trump, but will Republicans do that to vote against Joe Biden?”
Another Fox host, Laura Ingraham, didn't mention Trump's name but said the populist movement is about ideas, not one person.
“If the voters conclude that you're putting your own ego or your own grudges ahead of what's good for the country, they're going to look elsewhere,” she said.
Trump has all but promised that he would announce a 2024 candidacy as soon as next week. But his former White House press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, said on Fox that no potential candidates should announce before the Dec. 6 runoff election for the U.S. Senate seat in Georgia. Dov Hikind, a “Fox & Friends” guest, said Trump should announce his support for DeSantis.
“Donald Trump, move on,” he said.
That appeared unlikely, given that Trump recently referred to the Florida governor as “Ron DeSanctimonious." He also posted Wednesday on Truth Social that he got more votes in Florida in 2020 than DeSantis did this week — even though they were running for different offices and not against each other.
A Trump representative did not immediately return a message seeking comment.
The former president posted that Fox News was “really gone,” and he disputed stories that he had backed losers. He was particularly critical of The New York Times for a story that said he was angry at his wife, Melania, and Fox News' Sean Hannity for pushing him to back Oz's Senate candidacy in Pennsylvania.
“I was not at all ANGRY,” he wrote. “Fake news!”
____
Associated Press researcher Rhonda Shafner in New York contributed to this report.
Sure, POOTWH, sure.
The ‘Murican people can reject POOTWH, why can’t repub leadership?
Imagine supporting and believing in such a demonstrable piece of shit as Donald J Trump?
I can't imagine doing that but, at the very least, I would be embarrassed. It sure feels like we are emerging from the nightmare that was the despicable Era of Trump!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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The GOP is just another in a long line of airlines, steaks, etc. for Trump. Lots of bluster and promises....only lasts a few years and then he bankrupts them and they disappear.
This entertainment was my favorite part of his presidency.
Damn to behave like a spoiled brat in front of news outlets! Yet he’s deplorable cult loves it the more he insults the more they cheer HRC was right! Deplorable’s his whole base
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Imagine supporting and believing in such a demonstrable piece of shit as Donald J Trump?
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Americans will vote for coal, abortion bans, drilling, tax cuts for the elite…all they want is a pretty, well speaking package to get it from.
The next year or so will be fascinating to watch them eat themselves alive. Plus if their majority in the house is only a few seats or so, those nimrods will be at each others throats too.
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I don't think so.
First, Trump has railroaded pretty much everyone he has worked with. I would think desantis and his people know this
His star is also rising now. Who knows how it will be in 2028, especially after 4-6 years of taking the ride with Trump.
He doesn't need Trump for 2024, and you can make a strong case that Trump weakens desantis' position
Trump is poison for Rs now in a national election. He plays great in deep red areas. Nobody better, even Jesus. Purple and blue though, he drives the opposition to the polls in record numbers and also drives away a small slice of his own party. Desantis can inspire the deep red areas, but also not mobilize the opposition so much
There is zero chance desantis would nuke a blue state because the governor said a mean thing on social media. Trump, I'd put the odds somewhere above zero.
Number 2 with the goddamned POSTURE.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
NEW YORK (AP) — Former President Donald Trump has taken some hits in the aftermath of the midterm elections, but the unkindest cuts may have come from a source that was once among his biggest backers — the media empire of magnate Rupert Murdoch.
The New York Post's front cover on Thursday put Trump's face over the drawing of a boy from a well-known nursery rhyme. The headline: “Trumpty Dumpty.”
“Don (who couldn't build a wall) had a great fall — can all of the GOP's men put the party back together again?” the newspaper wrote.
The Wall Street Journal's opinion section ran a sharp editorial headlined, “Trump is the Republican Party's Biggest Loser.” While Fox News' biggest stars were relatively quiet, the former president heard enough discouraging words to attack the network on social media.
Trump was blamed for supporting losing or underperforming candidates like Mehmet Oz in Pennsylvania, Don Bolduc in New Hampshire and Blake Masters in Arizona that cost Republicans a chance to make big gains in the House and Senate, as many had predicted.
The Journal's editorial mentioned each of those names and more, saying that Trump had “a perfect record of electoral defeat” since his victory over Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election.
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“Democrats succeeded again in making Trump a central campaign issue, and Mr. Trump helped them do it,” the Journal said.
The newspaper on Thursday also ran a guest column touting Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis as an alternative to Trump for the 2024 presidential election, and an excerpt from former Vice President Mike Pence's new book headlined, “My last days with Donald Trump.”
On the Post's website, veteran columnist John Podhoretz dubbed the former president “Toxic Trump.”
Podhoretz wrote that Trump was “the political equivalent of a can of Raid” and “perhaps the most profound vote repellent in modern American history.”
The Post ran an editorial urging DeSantis run for president. A day earlier, the newspaper's cover featured a triumphant picture of DeSantis with the headline, “DeFuture.”
A spokesman for Murdoch's News Corp. said he had no comment on the editorial choices. It's not like the outlets have never criticized Trump, but the tone and timing were noteworthy.
Non-Murdoch affiliated conservative figures and outlets took some shots at Trump. The Washington Examiner wrote that Republicans needed to choose between electoral success or Trump, while American Thinker said Trump is devolving into a permanent liability, according to The Righting newsletter.
Some Fox News stars tread lightly into critical territory. Jesse Watters talked Wednesday of a 2024 presidential election rematch between Trump and President Joe Biden.
“Does Trump win?" Watters said. “I hope so. I love the guy. A week ago, I would have said slam dunk. But after how last night shook out, I don't know now. Democrats will walk over hot coals to vote against Trump, but will Republicans do that to vote against Joe Biden?”
Another Fox host, Laura Ingraham, didn't mention Trump's name but said the populist movement is about ideas, not one person.
“If the voters conclude that you're putting your own ego or your own grudges ahead of what's good for the country, they're going to look elsewhere,” she said.
Trump has all but promised that he would announce a 2024 candidacy as soon as next week. But his former White House press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, said on Fox that no potential candidates should announce before the Dec. 6 runoff election for the U.S. Senate seat in Georgia. Dov Hikind, a “Fox & Friends” guest, said Trump should announce his support for DeSantis.
“Donald Trump, move on,” he said.
That appeared unlikely, given that Trump recently referred to the Florida governor as “Ron DeSanctimonious." He also posted Wednesday on Truth Social that he got more votes in Florida in 2020 than DeSantis did this week — even though they were running for different offices and not against each other.
A Trump representative did not immediately return a message seeking comment.
The former president posted that Fox News was “really gone,” and he disputed stories that he had backed losers. He was particularly critical of The New York Times for a story that said he was angry at his wife, Melania, and Fox News' Sean Hannity for pushing him to back Oz's Senate candidacy in Pennsylvania.
“I was not at all ANGRY,” he wrote. “Fake news!”
____
Associated Press researcher Rhonda Shafner in New York contributed to this report.
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The ‘Murican people can reject POOTWH, why can’t repub leadership?
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I can't imagine doing that but, at the very least, I would be embarrassed. It sure feels like we are emerging from the nightmare that was the despicable Era of Trump!
Trump plows forward, GOP critics be damned
The president’s team is furious with critics, keeping track of detractors, and planning a presidential bid announcement next week.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/10/trump-2024-presidential-announcement-00066423
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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They sold their souls for a 1 term presidency.
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2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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