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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    ikiT said:
    To be fair...he is INCITING them.
    Yeah that's really one of his biggest sins, the way he stands back and let's that stuff go on. It wouldn't kill him to say "Whoa hold on, we don't want to chant stuff like that." 
    I believe John McCain did that when people simply booed at Obama’s name.  Trump doesn’t want to act like a guy that was once captured.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    OnWis97 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    ikiT said:
    To be fair...he is INCITING them.
    Yeah that's really one of his biggest sins, the way he stands back and let's that stuff go on. It wouldn't kill him to say "Whoa hold on, we don't want to chant stuff like that." 
    I believe John McCain did that when people simply booed at Obama’s name.  Trump doesn’t want to act like a guy that was once captured.
    I think you're referring to the time a supporter was telling McCain that she doesn't like Obama because he's an Arab, and McCain took the microphone from her and corrected her....

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  • OnWis97
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    ^^
    Ah yes...I suppose now he'd be considered soft for that.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    edited July 2019
    Yo I'm not police, but...

    His behavior is actually a MISDEMEANOR in North Carolina.


    § 14-288.4.  Disorderly conduct.

    (a)        Disorderly conduct is a public disturbance intentionally caused by any person who does any of the following:

    (1)        Engages in fighting or other violent conduct or in conduct creating the threat of imminent fighting or other violence.

    (2)        Makes or uses any utterance, gesture, display or abusive language which is intended and plainly likely to provoke violent retaliation and thereby cause a breach of the peace.

    (3)        Takes possession of, exercises control over, or seizes any building or facility of any public or private educational institution without the specific authority of the chief administrative officer of the institution, or his authorized representative.

    (4)        Refuses to vacate any building or facility of any public or private educational institution in obedience to any of the following:

    a.         An order of the chief administrative officer of the institution, or the officer's representative, who shall include for colleges and universities the vice chancellor for student affairs or the vice-chancellor's equivalent for the institution, the dean of students or the dean's equivalent for the institution, the director of the law enforcement or security department for the institution, and the chief of the law enforcement or security department for the institution.

    b.         An order given by any fireman or public health officer acting within the scope of the fireman's or officer's authority.

    c.         If an emergency is occurring or is imminent within the institution, an order given by any law-enforcement officer acting within the scope of the officer's authority.

    (5)        Shall, after being forbidden to do so by the chief administrative officer, or the officer's authorized representative, of any public or private educational institution:

    a.         Engage in any sitting, kneeling, lying down, or inclining so as to obstruct the ingress or egress of any person entitled to the use of any building or facility of the institution in its normal and intended use; or

    b.         Congregate, assemble, form groups or formations (whether organized or not), block, or in any manner otherwise interfere with the operation or functioning of any building or facility of the institution so as to interfere with the customary or normal use of the building or facility.

    (6)        Disrupts, disturbs or interferes with the teaching of students at any public or private educational institution or engages in conduct which disturbs the peace, order or discipline at any public or private educational institution or on the grounds adjacent thereto.

    (6a)      Engages in conduct which disturbs the peace, order, or discipline on any public school bus or public school activity bus.

    (7)        Except as provided in subdivision (8) of this subsection, disrupts, disturbs, or interferes with a religious service or assembly or engages in conduct which disturbs the peace or order at any religious service or assembly.

    (8)        Engages in conduct with the intent to impede, disrupt, disturb, or interfere with the orderly administration of any funeral, memorial service, or family processional to the funeral or memorial service, including a military funeral, service, or family processional, or with the normal activities and functions occurring in the facilities or buildings where a funeral or memorial service, including a military funeral or memorial service, is taking place. Any of the following conduct that occurs within two hours preceding, during, or within two hours after a funeral or memorial service shall constitute disorderly conduct under this subdivision:

    a.         Displaying, within 500 feet of the ceremonial site, location being used for the funeral or memorial, or the family's processional route to the funeral or memorial service, any visual image that conveys fighting words or actual or imminent threats of harm directed to any person or property associated with the funeral, memorial service, or processional route.

    b.         Uttering, within 500 feet of the ceremonial site, location being used for the funeral or memorial service, or the family's processional route to the funeral or memorial service, loud, threatening, or abusive language or singing, chanting, whistling, or yelling with or without noise amplification in a manner that would tend to impede, disrupt, disturb, or interfere with a funeral, memorial service, or processional route.

    c.         Attempting to block or blocking pedestrian or vehicular access to the ceremonial site or location being used for a funeral or memorial.

    As used in this section the term "building or facility" includes the surrounding grounds and premises of any building or facility used in connection with the operation or functioning of such building or facility.

    (b)        Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, any person who willfully engages in disorderly conduct is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.

    (c)        A person who commits a violation of subdivision (8) of subsection (a) of this section is guilty of:

    (1)        A Class 1 misdemeanor for a first offense.

    (2)        A Class I felony for a second offense.

    (3)        A Class H felony for a third or subsequent offense.  (1969, c. 869, s. 1; 1971, c. 668, s. 1; 1973, c. 1347; 1975, c. 19, s. 4; 1983, c. 39, s. 5; 1987, c. 671, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 189; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 2001-26, s. 2; 2006-169, s. 1; 2012-12, s. 2(b); 2013-6, s. 1.)

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,149
    ikiT said:
    Yo I'm not police, but...

    His behavior is actually a MISDEMEANOR in North Carolina.


    § 14-288.4.  Disorderly conduct.

    (a)        Disorderly conduct is a public disturbance intentionally caused by any person who does any of the following:

    (1)        Engages in fighting or other violent conduct or in conduct creating the threat of imminent fighting or other violence.

    (2)        Makes or uses any utterance, gesture, display or abusive language which is intended and plainly likely to provoke violent retaliation and thereby cause a breach of the peace.

    (3)        Takes possession of, exercises control over, or seizes any building or facility of any public or private educational institution without the specific authority of the chief administrative officer of the institution, or his authorized representative.

    (4)        Refuses to vacate any building or facility of any public or private educational institution in obedience to any of the following:

    a.         An order of the chief administrative officer of the institution, or the officer's representative, who shall include for colleges and universities the vice chancellor for student affairs or the vice-chancellor's equivalent for the institution, the dean of students or the dean's equivalent for the institution, the director of the law enforcement or security department for the institution, and the chief of the law enforcement or security department for the institution.

    b.         An order given by any fireman or public health officer acting within the scope of the fireman's or officer's authority.

    c.         If an emergency is occurring or is imminent within the institution, an order given by any law-enforcement officer acting within the scope of the officer's authority.

    (5)        Shall, after being forbidden to do so by the chief administrative officer, or the officer's authorized representative, of any public or private educational institution:

    a.         Engage in any sitting, kneeling, lying down, or inclining so as to obstruct the ingress or egress of any person entitled to the use of any building or facility of the institution in its normal and intended use; or

    b.         Congregate, assemble, form groups or formations (whether organized or not), block, or in any manner otherwise interfere with the operation or functioning of any building or facility of the institution so as to interfere with the customary or normal use of the building or facility.

    (6)        Disrupts, disturbs or interferes with the teaching of students at any public or private educational institution or engages in conduct which disturbs the peace, order or discipline at any public or private educational institution or on the grounds adjacent thereto.

    (6a)      Engages in conduct which disturbs the peace, order, or discipline on any public school bus or public school activity bus.

    (7)        Except as provided in subdivision (8) of this subsection, disrupts, disturbs, or interferes with a religious service or assembly or engages in conduct which disturbs the peace or order at any religious service or assembly.

    (8)        Engages in conduct with the intent to impede, disrupt, disturb, or interfere with the orderly administration of any funeral, memorial service, or family processional to the funeral or memorial service, including a military funeral, service, or family processional, or with the normal activities and functions occurring in the facilities or buildings where a funeral or memorial service, including a military funeral or memorial service, is taking place. Any of the following conduct that occurs within two hours preceding, during, or within two hours after a funeral or memorial service shall constitute disorderly conduct under this subdivision:

    a.         Displaying, within 500 feet of the ceremonial site, location being used for the funeral or memorial, or the family's processional route to the funeral or memorial service, any visual image that conveys fighting words or actual or imminent threats of harm directed to any person or property associated with the funeral, memorial service, or processional route.

    b.         Uttering, within 500 feet of the ceremonial site, location being used for the funeral or memorial service, or the family's processional route to the funeral or memorial service, loud, threatening, or abusive language or singing, chanting, whistling, or yelling with or without noise amplification in a manner that would tend to impede, disrupt, disturb, or interfere with a funeral, memorial service, or processional route.

    c.         Attempting to block or blocking pedestrian or vehicular access to the ceremonial site or location being used for a funeral or memorial.

    As used in this section the term "building or facility" includes the surrounding grounds and premises of any building or facility used in connection with the operation or functioning of such building or facility.

    (b)        Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, any person who willfully engages in disorderly conduct is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.

    (c)        A person who commits a violation of subdivision (8) of subsection (a) of this section is guilty of:

    (1)        A Class 1 misdemeanor for a first offense.

    (2)        A Class I felony for a second offense.

    (3)        A Class H felony for a third or subsequent offense.  (1969, c. 869, s. 1; 1971, c. 668, s. 1; 1973, c. 1347; 1975, c. 19, s. 4; 1983, c. 39, s. 5; 1987, c. 671, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 189; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 2001-26, s. 2; 2006-169, s. 1; 2012-12, s. 2(b); 2013-6, s. 1.)

    Some radical left wing fake news reporter ought to get in the face of the chief of police in Charlotte and demand if they’ll have Team Trump Treason arrested or if they think it’s okay for the president to incite violence or do they believe the POTUS is above the law. Oh but wait, both sides aren’t the same. Funny that. Where’s Borat when you need him?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    Whose support will he lose first - yours @RYME or Scaramucci?

    https://youtu.be/pOC3d5vf7XI
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  • The Juggler
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    I have said it before and I'll say it again: Donald Trump is destroying the republican party for what he thinks is a short term win:

    https://www.axios.com/republican-party-demographics-threat-trump-racism-1524a8a1-c2f1-4183-896f-107420e2d50a.html

    The GOP's demographic decay

    Data: U.S. Census Bureau; Chart: Lazaro Gamio/Axios

    The single biggest threat to Republicans' long-term viability is demographics.

    The big picture: The numbers simply do not lie. America, as a whole, and swing states, in particular, are growing more diverse, more quickly. There is no way Republicans can change birth rates or curb this trend — and there's not a single demographic megatrend that favors Republicans.

    Why it matters: President Trump’s short-term calculation to stir up white voters with race-baiting rhetoric might very well echo for a generation.

    About last night: Trump paused while speaking at a "Make America Great Again" campaign rally in Greenville, N.C., to savor supporters' new roar: "Send her back!"

    • "I have a suggestion for the hate-filled extremists who are constantly trying to tear our country down," Trump said. "They never have anything good to say. That's why I say, 'Hey if you don't like it, let 'em leave, let 'em leave.'"
    • The context, from AP: "Not since George Wallace's campaign in 1968 has a presidential candidate — and certainly not an incumbent president — put racial polarization at the center of his call to voters."

    For any Republican thinking past 2020, here are numbers to fear, reported by Axios' Stef Kight:

    • The Hispanic share of the population has grown in every state since 2000, according to Census data.
    • Hispanic people now make up a quarter of the population in Florida, almost a third of the population in Arizona and 39% of Texas — all Trump states in 2016 that are becoming more winnable by Democrats.
    • Florida and Texas, two of the big electoral giants that voted for Trump, are witnessing the fastest non-white population growth. 

    This wave is only accelerating, as Stef reported in "America's majority minority future":

    • Next year, the entire under-18 population will be majority non-white, according to Brookings demographer William Frey.
    • In less than a decade, the under-30 population will be majority non-white.

    Between the lines: Trump clearly thinks this is good short-term politics.

    • Truth is: It's unknowable, though highly debatable.
    • Long-term, it seems unambiguous: If you need more African American and Hispanic voters, maligning and marginalizing them strikes even some inside this White House as stupid politics.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    You cannot just walk around intimidating people.  This (real life) isn't the WWE.

    If David Duke was up on stage saying the exactly the same thing...
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    of course...

    Trump disavows 'send her back' chants after sweeping backlash

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/republicans-democrats-condemn-send-her-back-chant-trump-s-rally-n1031156
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    ikiT said:
    of course...

    Trump disavows 'send her back' chants after sweeping backlash

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/republicans-democrats-condemn-send-her-back-chant-trump-s-rally-n1031156
    "I didn't say that. They (the audience) did" is such a cop-out when he's the puppet-master of everyone in the audience. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    ikiT said:
    of course...

    Trump disavows 'send her back' chants after sweeping backlash

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/republicans-democrats-condemn-send-her-back-chant-trump-s-rally-n1031156
    "I didn't say that. They (the audience) did" is such a cop-out when he's the puppet-master of everyone in the audience. 
    "I only basked in it." 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited July 2019
    Why doesn't his supporters think he is a pussy for not standing up for them and the fight for the white race?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    ikiT said:
    of course...

    Trump disavows 'send her back' chants after sweeping backlash

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/republicans-democrats-condemn-send-her-back-chant-trump-s-rally-n1031156
    "I didn't say that. They (the audience) did" is such a cop-out when he's the puppet-master of everyone in the audience. 
    Looking forward to his couple of supporters come on here and defend it...
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  • mfc2006
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    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    ikiT said:
    of course...

    Trump disavows 'send her back' chants after sweeping backlash

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/republicans-democrats-condemn-send-her-back-chant-trump-s-rally-n1031156
    "I didn't say that. They (the audience) did" is such a cop-out when he's the puppet-master of everyone in the audience. 
    Looking forward to his couple of supporters come on here and defend it...
    You know they will. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    edited July 2019
    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    ikiT said:
    of course...

    Trump disavows 'send her back' chants after sweeping backlash

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/republicans-democrats-condemn-send-her-back-chant-trump-s-rally-n1031156
    "I didn't say that. They (the audience) did" is such a cop-out when he's the puppet-master of everyone in the audience. 
    Looking forward to his couple of supporters come on here and defend it...
    What I've been saying about these post-2016 election Trump rallies are they're tantamount to the Two Minutes Hate from Orwell's 1984. As a refresher for those that might not remember, or for those not familiar with the book, all the party members would be summoned to watch a propaganda video vilifying the "enemy of the state" William Goldstein. And then all the party members would spend two minutes screaming and cursing at images Goldstein. The problem though is that none of the party members are even sure that Goldstein even exists. But they're told he's evil by their leaders, so they hate him. I felt the same way about the "Lock her up" chants about Hillary after Trump was already President. While it was dumb even during the campaign, she was the direct opponent to Trump, so to chant negatively about her sorta makes sense (in Trump's world anyway). But after the election? For all intents and purposes, she doesn't even really exist anymore (like Goldstein). But Trump, like the "inner party" in 1984, needs to have the party members riled up and nothing riles them up more than supposed enemy.

    Omar is similar here. And look, I can't stand that woman. I think she's a two-faced anti-Semite who is sympathetic to terrorist groups. But that's just my opinion. And like Hillary, she's not an "enemy" of anything. And unlike Hillary, she's no threat at all to Trump's presidency. So why rile up the crowd over her? Because it's the Two Minutes Hate.....they have to hate somebody. I wonder how many people in that crowd even had an opinion of her before she was an "enemy" of Trump? Probably not many. 
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  • PJ_Soul
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    pjhawks said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "How dare someone call his supporters deplorables" 

    Yeah, take a wild guess.
    and she only said 50% were deplorables. she underestimated the number
    By half!
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    If he was more polite,  more articulate, less disjointed, more artfully deliver his messages where would he be?
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,149
    If you need a chuckle, read all the way through and click on the last link. It helps.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/18/politics/donald-trump-north-carolina-speech/index.html
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,589
    RYME said:
    If he was more polite,  more articulate, less disjointed, more artfully deliver his messages where would he be?
    You forgot one ! If only he was human ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    josevolution said:
    RYME said:
    If he was more polite,  more articulate, less disjointed, more artfully deliver his messages where would he be?
    You forgot one ! If only he was human ..
    If Trump was more polite, and more articulate, less abrasive, deliver messages in a more artistic way, more human... add as many adjectives as you want.
    Where would he be at this point?
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