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  • Saltzy23Saltzy23 Posts: 1,149

    'I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine.'
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,186

    Trump must be removed. So must his congressional enablers.

    By George F. Will
    June 01 at 3:18 PM ET
    This unraveling presidency began with the Crybaby-in-Chief banging his spoon on his highchair tray to protest a photograph — a photograph — showing that his inauguration crowd the day before had been smaller than the one four years previous. Since then, this weak person’s idea of a strong person, this chest-pounding advertisement of his own gnawing insecurities, this low-rent Lear raging on his Twitter-heath has proven that the phrase malignant buffoon is not an oxymoron.

    Presidents, exploiting modern communications technologies and abetted today by journalists preening as the “resistance” — like members of the French Resistance 1940-1944, minus the bravery — can set the tone of American society, which is regrettably soft wax on which presidents leave their marks. The president’s provocations — his coarsening of public discourse that lowers the threshold for acting out by people as mentally crippled as he — do not excuse the violent few. They must be punished. He must be removed.

    Social causation is difficult to demonstrate, particularly between one person’s words and other persons’ deeds. However: The person voters hired in 2016 to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed” stood on July 28, 2017, in front of uniformed police and urged them “please don’t be too nice” when handling suspected offenders. His hope was fulfilled for 8 minutes and 46 seconds on Minneapolis pavement.

    What Daniel Patrick Moynihan termed “defining deviancy down” now defines American politics. In 2016, voters were presented an unprecedentedly unpalatable choice: Never had both major parties offered nominees with higher disapproval than approval numbers. Voters chose what they wagered would be the lesser blight. Now, however, they have watched him govern for 40 months and more than 40 percent — slightly less than the percentage that voted for him — approve of his sordid conduct.

    [Full coverage of the George Floyd protests]

    Presidents seeking reelection bask in chants of “Four more years!” This year, however, most Americans — perhaps because they are, as the president predicted, weary from all the winning — might flinch: Four more years of this? The taste of ashes, metaphorical and now literal, dampens enthusiasm.
    The nation’s downward spiral into acrimony and sporadic anarchy has had many causes much larger than the small man who is the great exacerbator of them. Most of the causes predate his presidency, and most will survive its January terminus. The measures necessary for restoration of national equilibrium are many and will be protracted far beyond his removal. One such measure must be the removal of those in Congress who, unlike the sycophantic mediocrities who cosset him in the White House, will not disappear “magically,” as Eric Trump said the coronavirus would. Voters must dispatch his congressional enablers, especially the senators who still gambol around his ankles with a canine hunger for petting.

    In life’s unforgiving arithmetic, we are the sum of our choices. Congressional Republicans have made theirs for more than 1,200 days. We cannot know all the measures necessary to restore the nation’s domestic health and international standing, but we know the first step: Senate Republicans must be routed, as condign punishment for their Vichyite collaboration, leaving the Republican remnant to wonder: Was it sensible to sacrifice dignity, such as it ever was, and to shed principles, if convictions so easily jettisoned could be dignified as principles, for . . . what? Praying people should pray, and all others should hope: May I never crave anything as much as these people crave membership in the world’s most risible deliberative body.

    [From the Archive | George Will: This sad, embarrassing wreck of a man]

    A political party’s primary function is to bestow its imprimatur on candidates, thereby proclaiming: This is who we are. In 2016, the Republican Party gave its principal nomination to a vulgarian and then toiled to elect him. And to stock Congress with invertebrates whose unswerving abjectness has enabled his institutional vandalism, who have voiced no serious objections to his Niagara of lies, and whom T.S. Eliot anticipated:

    We are the hollow men . . .

    Our dried voices, when

    We whisper together

    Are quiet and meaningless

    As wind in dry grass

    or rats’ feet over broken glass . . .

    Those who think our unhinged president’s recent mania about a murder two decades ago that never happened represents his moral nadir have missed the lesson of his life: There is no such thing as rock bottom. So, assume that the worst is yet to come. Which implicates national security: Abroad, anti-Americanism sleeps lightly when it sleeps at all, and it is wide-awake as decent people judge our nation’s health by the character of those to whom power is entrusted. Watching, too, are indecent people in Beijing and Moscow.

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,186
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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 7,067
    Thanks for the George Will piece, Mickey. I've been reading him since the late 70's when I was a religious, conservative Republican. Decades later as a godless, left of center moderate, I continue to find Will to be intelligent and thought provoking. And I agree with his attack on not only Trump, but those who enable him. Cult 45 has destroyed any vestige of the party to which I once held allegiance. The party is now comprised of deviants, racists, idiots and sycophants. That trend didn't start in 2016, but they've now codified it.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,186
    edited June 2
    jeffbr said:
    Thanks for the George Will piece, Mickey. I've been reading him since the late 70's when I was a religious, conservative Republican. Decades later as a godless, left of center moderate, I continue to find Will to be intelligent and thought provoking. And I agree with his attack on not only Trump, but those who enable him. Cult 45 has destroyed any vestige of the party to which I once held allegiance. The party is now comprised of deviants, racists, idiots and sycophants. That trend didn't start in 2016, but they've now codified it.
    I never agreed with his politics. but the dude can write. I respect  how he has carried himself. cant recall anything ever being personal about the D's he disagreed with. Always kept it above board and about policy.

    While I disagreed, I appreciated his point of view.

    so its VERY telling given his position in conservatism all these years he not only left the party once fuckstick secured the nomination but has been consistently critical of fuckstick and the sycophants.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,993
    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/12/17/half-of-active-duty-service-members-are-unhappy-with-trump-new-military-times-poll-shows/ 

    Only 42% of active duty military support Trump. Wonder what that number will look like if he follows through on his nonsense

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,993
    edited June 3
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,148
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

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    538 has moved from 10.2 to 11.5 in the gap between approve and disapprove in two days. Team Trump Treason is going to be left with his base of 35% come Election Day. The true deplorables.
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  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, INPosts: 4,028
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

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    So 45% approve of his "handling of the protests? The fuck???
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,148
    Is that a bucket of KFC under that suit jacket and did Team Trump Treason grow a Kardashian ass? Damn boy, dats some binge stress eating!


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,148
    And has anyone heard from Diamond & Silk lately? Almost seems like they knew what was coming and knew it wouldn’t be good optics for appealing to the base.

    I’d be interested in the Minneapolis cops’ social media communications, internet searches, phone and email records, any and all US mail correspondence, burner phones and thumb drives, gaming accounts as well as financial records and history of affiliations, etc. Maybe a congressional commission?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,186
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

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    So 45% approve of his "handling of the protests? The fuck???
    am sure there are a % of unsure
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  • JW269453JW269453 Lubbock, TXPosts: 511
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

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    So 45% approve of his "handling of the protests? The fuck???
    What we know is 55% of the 1,004 people they asked disapprove. I get polls, but I don’t put a whole lot of stock into something that is assuming the feelings of the other 329,735,410 people that call this country home. Maybe it is just me but .00000304% of anything is a little too small of a sample size to run with. This is real life for those in areas where protests have turned nasty, but only a TV show for the others. One of those opinions holds a little more weight for me when it comes to the approval of how this is being handled.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,148
    JW269453 said:
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

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    So 45% approve of his "handling of the protests? The fuck???
    What we know is 55% of the 1,004 people they asked disapprove. I get polls, but I don’t put a whole lot of stock into something that is assuming the feelings of the other 329,735,410 people that call this country home. Maybe it is just me but .00000304% of anything is a little too small of a sample size to run with. This is real life for those in areas where protests have turned nasty, but only a TV show for the others. One of those opinions holds a little more weight for me when it comes to the approval of how this is being handled.
    329 million + Americans don’t vote nor are they all eligible to do so. Keep clinging.
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  • JW269453JW269453 Lubbock, TXPosts: 511
    JW269453 said:
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

    -
    So 45% approve of his "handling of the protests? The fuck???
    What we know is 55% of the 1,004 people they asked disapprove. I get polls, but I don’t put a whole lot of stock into something that is assuming the feelings of the other 329,735,410 people that call this country home. Maybe it is just me but .00000304% of anything is a little too small of a sample size to run with. This is real life for those in areas where protests have turned nasty, but only a TV show for the others. One of those opinions holds a little more weight for me when it comes to the approval of how this is being handled.
    329 million + Americans don’t vote nor are they all eligible to do so. Keep clinging.
    Clinging? You’re right. I forgot some people think the opinions of non voters and minors don’t matter. Let’s just use the voters opinions only as a gauge then. The 2016 voter turnout was 138,847,000. We are now assuming the opinions of the other 138,845,996 elites. Does this new .00000723% move your meter that much? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,148
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

    -
    So 45% approve of his "handling of the protests? The fuck???
    What we know is 55% of the 1,004 people they asked disapprove. I get polls, but I don’t put a whole lot of stock into something that is assuming the feelings of the other 329,735,410 people that call this country home. Maybe it is just me but .00000304% of anything is a little too small of a sample size to run with. This is real life for those in areas where protests have turned nasty, but only a TV show for the others. One of those opinions holds a little more weight for me when it comes to the approval of how this is being handled.
    329 million + Americans don’t vote nor are they all eligible to do so. Keep clinging.
    Clinging? You’re right. I forgot some people think the opinions of non voters and minors don’t matter. Let’s just use the voters opinions only as a gauge then. The 2016 voter turnout was 138,847,000. We are now assuming the opinions of the other 138,845,996 elites. Does this new .00000723% move your meter that much? 
     Other’s opinions don’t get to pull the lever though do they? So, extrapolating as you did is flawed. You’re from Texas, right? Fuzzy math, I get it. Keep clinging.
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    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

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    538 has moved from 10.2 to 11.5 in the gap between approve and disapprove in two days. Team Trump Treason is going to be left with his base of 35% come Election Day. The true deplorables.
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    i am waiting for either diamond or silk to have the dramatic heel turn to set up the grudge match between the two for the "deplorable  women's world title" at the republican convention. coming soon to pay per view.
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    Is that a bucket of KFC under that suit jacket and did Team Trump Treason grow a Kardashian ass? Damn boy, dats some binge stress eating!


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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 7,694
    Someone's gonna be fired......

    Esper says he does not support using active duty troops to quell protests, breaking with Trump https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/esper-insurrection-act-protests/index.html
  • JW269453JW269453 Lubbock, TXPosts: 511
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

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    So 45% approve of his "handling of the protests? The fuck???
    What we know is 55% of the 1,004 people they asked disapprove. I get polls, but I don’t put a whole lot of stock into something that is assuming the feelings of the other 329,735,410 people that call this country home. Maybe it is just me but .00000304% of anything is a little too small of a sample size to run with. This is real life for those in areas where protests have turned nasty, but only a TV show for the others. One of those opinions holds a little more weight for me when it comes to the approval of how this is being handled.
    329 million + Americans don’t vote nor are they all eligible to do so. Keep clinging.
    Clinging? You’re right. I forgot some people think the opinions of non voters and minors don’t matter. Let’s just use the voters opinions only as a gauge then. The 2016 voter turnout was 138,847,000. We are now assuming the opinions of the other 138,845,996 elites. Does this new .00000723% move your meter that much? 
     Other’s opinions don’t get to pull the lever though do they? So, extrapolating as you did is flawed. You’re from Texas, right? Fuzzy math, I get it. Keep clinging.
    Morning sunshine! A poll is the perfect example of extrapolating, it is just one you choose to except. I am sorry my residence brings out your prejudice, it must be difficult trying to harbor all of those feelings. Forgive me for not moving the decimal while trying to remember such a ridiculous percentage, .000723 it makes such a difference in this instance doesn't it?
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,993
    Arguing the validity of polls when we have decades of proof of how accurate they are is peak America 2020. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 36,993
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

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    538 has moved from 10.2 to 11.5 in the gap between approve and disapprove in two days. Team Trump Treason is going to be left with his base of 35% come Election Day. The true deplorables.
    Yup. Hence his increasingly erratic behavior. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,650
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

    -
    So 45% approve of his "handling of the protests? The fuck???
    What we know is 55% of the 1,004 people they asked disapprove. I get polls, but I don’t put a whole lot of stock into something that is assuming the feelings of the other 329,735,410 people that call this country home. Maybe it is just me but .00000304% of anything is a little too small of a sample size to run with. This is real life for those in areas where protests have turned nasty, but only a TV show for the others. One of those opinions holds a little more weight for me when it comes to the approval of how this is being handled.
    329 million + Americans don’t vote nor are they all eligible to do so. Keep clinging.
    Clinging? You’re right. I forgot some people think the opinions of non voters and minors don’t matter. Let’s just use the voters opinions only as a gauge then. The 2016 voter turnout was 138,847,000. We are now assuming the opinions of the other 138,845,996 elites. Does this new .00000723% move your meter that much? 
     Other’s opinions don’t get to pull the lever though do they? So, extrapolating as you did is flawed. You’re from Texas, right? Fuzzy math, I get it. Keep clinging.
    Morning sunshine! A poll is the perfect example of extrapolating, it is just one you choose to except. I am sorry my residence brings out your prejudice, it must be difficult trying to harbor all of those feelings. Forgive me for not moving the decimal while trying to remember such a ridiculous percentage, .000723 it makes such a difference in this instance doesn't it?
    Do you think statistics has a liberal bias or something?  There's no mathematical question that the sample size used is predictive.  In corporations, they generally use a 95/5/5 interval, so this appears to be 95/2/3 which is very precise.  The only squirlley part for any of these is how the participants define themselves politically, and therefore how you break down the demos.  
  • JW269453JW269453 Lubbock, TXPosts: 511
    mrussel1 said:
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

    -
    So 45% approve of his "handling of the protests? The fuck???
    What we know is 55% of the 1,004 people they asked disapprove. I get polls, but I don’t put a whole lot of stock into something that is assuming the feelings of the other 329,735,410 people that call this country home. Maybe it is just me but .00000304% of anything is a little too small of a sample size to run with. This is real life for those in areas where protests have turned nasty, but only a TV show for the others. One of those opinions holds a little more weight for me when it comes to the approval of how this is being handled.
    329 million + Americans don’t vote nor are they all eligible to do so. Keep clinging.
    Clinging? You’re right. I forgot some people think the opinions of non voters and minors don’t matter. Let’s just use the voters opinions only as a gauge then. The 2016 voter turnout was 138,847,000. We are now assuming the opinions of the other 138,845,996 elites. Does this new .00000723% move your meter that much? 
     Other’s opinions don’t get to pull the lever though do they? So, extrapolating as you did is flawed. You’re from Texas, right? Fuzzy math, I get it. Keep clinging.
    Morning sunshine! A poll is the perfect example of extrapolating, it is just one you choose to except. I am sorry my residence brings out your prejudice, it must be difficult trying to harbor all of those feelings. Forgive me for not moving the decimal while trying to remember such a ridiculous percentage, .000723 it makes such a difference in this instance doesn't it?
    Do you think statistics has a liberal bias or something?  There's no mathematical question that the sample size used is predictive.  In corporations, they generally use a 95/5/5 interval, so this appears to be 95/2/3 which is very precise.  The only squirlley part for any of these is how the participants define themselves politically, and therefore how you break down the demos.  
    As per usual, I'm confused as to why my comment was seen as pro trump or anti liberal. It is simple, I do not put much stock in something that can be viewed completely different depending on your situation. Most of us have never witnessed what is going on right now to this extent so assuming the approval or disapproval of literally everyone seems like buzzfeed quiz level nonsense. Then again I'm the one who doesn't have an agenda to fulfill so I take these things with a grain of salt while others shout from the rooftops.

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,650
    JW269453 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

    -
    So 45% approve of his "handling of the protests? The fuck???
    What we know is 55% of the 1,004 people they asked disapprove. I get polls, but I don’t put a whole lot of stock into something that is assuming the feelings of the other 329,735,410 people that call this country home. Maybe it is just me but .00000304% of anything is a little too small of a sample size to run with. This is real life for those in areas where protests have turned nasty, but only a TV show for the others. One of those opinions holds a little more weight for me when it comes to the approval of how this is being handled.
    329 million + Americans don’t vote nor are they all eligible to do so. Keep clinging.
    Clinging? You’re right. I forgot some people think the opinions of non voters and minors don’t matter. Let’s just use the voters opinions only as a gauge then. The 2016 voter turnout was 138,847,000. We are now assuming the opinions of the other 138,845,996 elites. Does this new .00000723% move your meter that much? 
     Other’s opinions don’t get to pull the lever though do they? So, extrapolating as you did is flawed. You’re from Texas, right? Fuzzy math, I get it. Keep clinging.
    Morning sunshine! A poll is the perfect example of extrapolating, it is just one you choose to except. I am sorry my residence brings out your prejudice, it must be difficult trying to harbor all of those feelings. Forgive me for not moving the decimal while trying to remember such a ridiculous percentage, .000723 it makes such a difference in this instance doesn't it?
    Do you think statistics has a liberal bias or something?  There's no mathematical question that the sample size used is predictive.  In corporations, they generally use a 95/5/5 interval, so this appears to be 95/2/3 which is very precise.  The only squirlley part for any of these is how the participants define themselves politically, and therefore how you break down the demos.  
    As per usual, I'm confused as to why my comment was seen as pro trump or anti liberal. It is simple, I do not put much stock in something that can be viewed completely different depending on your situation. Most of us have never witnessed what is going on right now to this extent so assuming the approval or disapproval of literally everyone seems like buzzfeed quiz level nonsense. Then again I'm the one who doesn't have an agenda to fulfill so I take these things with a grain of salt while others shout from the rooftops.

    Polling, when done correctly by pros, is absolutely indicative of the larger population.  So there's no reason to believe that his approval is actually 65% when the poll says 45%, as an example.  Now I'm guessing the MOE is about 3-4%, so that means approval ranges from from 41-49% essentially.  Unless you're arguing the questions were unclear or leading... 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,111
    Is that a bucket of KFC under that suit jacket and did Team Trump Treason grow a Kardashian ass? Damn boy, dats some binge stress eating!


    classy
    No it's cool.  If you don't like someone you can say stuff like that.  It's when you do that is not ok.  
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  • JW269453JW269453 Lubbock, TXPosts: 511
    mrussel1 said:
    JW269453 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN239347?__twitter_impression=true 

    Looks like the old law and order fake tough guy stuff ain’t working anymore. 55% disapprove of Trump’s handling of the protests. 

    -
    So 45% approve of his "handling of the protests? The fuck???
    What we know is 55% of the 1,004 people they asked disapprove. I get polls, but I don’t put a whole lot of stock into something that is assuming the feelings of the other 329,735,410 people that call this country home. Maybe it is just me but .00000304% of anything is a little too small of a sample size to run with. This is real life for those in areas where protests have turned nasty, but only a TV show for the others. One of those opinions holds a little more weight for me when it comes to the approval of how this is being handled.
    329 million + Americans don’t vote nor are they all eligible to do so. Keep clinging.
    Clinging? You’re right. I forgot some people think the opinions of non voters and minors don’t matter. Let’s just use the voters opinions only as a gauge then. The 2016 voter turnout was 138,847,000. We are now assuming the opinions of the other 138,845,996 elites. Does this new .00000723% move your meter that much? 
     Other’s opinions don’t get to pull the lever though do they? So, extrapolating as you did is flawed. You’re from Texas, right? Fuzzy math, I get it. Keep clinging.
    Morning sunshine! A poll is the perfect example of extrapolating, it is just one you choose to except. I am sorry my residence brings out your prejudice, it must be difficult trying to harbor all of those feelings. Forgive me for not moving the decimal while trying to remember such a ridiculous percentage, .000723 it makes such a difference in this instance doesn't it?
    Do you think statistics has a liberal bias or something?  There's no mathematical question that the sample size used is predictive.  In corporations, they generally use a 95/5/5 interval, so this appears to be 95/2/3 which is very precise.  The only squirlley part for any of these is how the participants define themselves politically, and therefore how you break down the demos.  
    As per usual, I'm confused as to why my comment was seen as pro trump or anti liberal. It is simple, I do not put much stock in something that can be viewed completely different depending on your situation. Most of us have never witnessed what is going on right now to this extent so assuming the approval or disapproval of literally everyone seems like buzzfeed quiz level nonsense. Then again I'm the one who doesn't have an agenda to fulfill so I take these things with a grain of salt while others shout from the rooftops.

    Polling, when done correctly by pros, is absolutely indicative of the larger population.  So there's no reason to believe that his approval is actually 65% when the poll says 45%, as an example.  Now I'm guessing the MOE is about 3-4%, so that means approval ranges from from 41-49% essentially.  Unless you're arguing the questions were unclear or leading... 
    Who did they poll? People who were watching their neighborhoods get destroyed, people who only dealt with peaceful protests, or people who have watched everything unfold from a place that is unaffected. In this specific situation, if the sample size does not include all 3 scenarios I would be leery of this being an accurate representation.

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,148
    Is that a bucket of KFC under that suit jacket and did Team Trump Treason grow a Kardashian ass? Damn boy, dats some binge stress eating!


    classy
    No it's cool.  If you don't like someone you can say stuff like that.  It's when you do that is not ok.  
    You know what’s really cool? Team Trump Treason calling a former FLOTUS, Senator, SOS and presidential candidate that won 3 million more votes than him a skank and an African American senate candidate from SC having appeared to have visited every buffet in the state. And that’s okay, because it’s classy and there’s freedom of speech, yo.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,111
    Is that a bucket of KFC under that suit jacket and did Team Trump Treason grow a Kardashian ass? Damn boy, dats some binge stress eating!


    classy
    No it's cool.  If you don't like someone you can say stuff like that.  It's when you do that is not ok.  
    You know what’s really cool? Team Trump Treason calling a former FLOTUS, Senator, SOS and presidential candidate that won 3 million more votes than him a skank and an African American senate candidate from SC having appeared to have visited every buffet in the state. And that’s okay, because it’s classy and there’s freedom of speech, yo.
    Yup that ain’t cool. If you hate something...
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