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  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 32,367
    mrussel1 said:
    ikiT said:
    ikiT said:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-may-be-even-more-unpopular-than-his-approval-rating-shows/

    Trump May Be Even More Unpopular Than His Approval Rating Shows


    President Trump Hosts Roundtable Discussion On Governors Initiative On Regulatory Innovation


    Polls have consistently shown that President Trump is pretty unpopular, with only about 42 percent of the American public approving of the job he is doing as president. These numbers are much lower than what one might expect given the bustling economy.

    But does the standard presidential approval question actually capture what voters think of Trump’s job performance? There are several reasons it might not tell the full story. For one, in this hyper-partisan era, presidential approval numbers have become increasingly polarized and don’t move around all that much, so they may now say more about which “side” people are on (pro-Trump or anti-Trump, Republican or Democrat) than voters’ actual evaluation of how the president is doing.

    So we (Enns and Schuldt) have worked to develop a hopefully more nuanced approach to measuring presidential approval, where we ask respondents how favorably they feel toward Trump relative to other notable Republicans. By not explicitly asking respondents whether they approve or disapprove of the president, we avoid forcing respondents to take sides, as they do in the standard presidential approval question. Instead, respondents from both parties evaluate Trump in comparison to other Republicans, like former President George W. Bush, the late Sen. John McCain, McCain’s former running mate Sarah Palin, Vice President Mike Pence, and former President Ronald Reagan. (We selected these specific Republicans because they range from the highly regarded Reagan, who is often viewed as the voice of modern conservatism, to Palin, the former Alaska governor whose time in national politics was much shorter and less influential.) We’re most interested in how the public views Trump when they aren’t asked about the president in isolation. Do respondents rate him as highly as other Republicans? Less highly? And does this help clarify whether partisan cheerleading is masking respondents’ actual assessments of Trump in the traditional presidential approval question?

    This is now our second survey where we’ve measured Trump’s favorability among likely voters, and in both surveys, we found that the standard presidential approval question may be overestimating Trump’s popularity. Our first survey was conducted before the 2018 midterm elections (July 3 to July 12) and our second survey was conducted soon after the Dec. 18 House vote that formally impeached the president (Dec. 20 to Dec. 22), but in both instances, likely voters rated Trump toward the bottom of our list of Republicans.

    Before the midterms, Trump’s favorability rating was statistically indistinguishable from Pence’s, and only Palin was rated less favorably. Following impeachment, Trump was even lower relative to the other Republicans we asked about. Not only is he the least popular president to run for reelection since Gerald Ford according to polls asking the standard presidential approval question, but in our measure, he is now also rated less favorably than his vice president. He’s also essentially tied with Palin for the least favorable Republican on our list, which is notable because when respondents are asked the traditional favorability question, Palin’s numbers are even lower than Trump’s — in 2016, an ABC News-Washington Post poll found that just 30 percent of the public had a favorable impression of the former governor.

    In terms of how Trump’s support breaks down along party lines, we also broke out our favorability rankings by Democrats, Republicans and independents.1 There we saw some pretty stark divisions, like the ones you see in the standard presidential approval question. For instance, Democrats, not surprisingly, ranked Trump last and ranked McCain the highest. Likewise, Republicans ranked Trump highly, behind only Reagan in our December poll. But among independents, Trump’s position was perhaps more telling. This group, which is typically viewed as potential swing voters, ranked Trump at the bottom of the list — statistically tied with both Palin and Pence.

    As with all survey data, there is uncertainty around these estimates. For example, although it appears that independents rate Trump slightly lower than Palin and Pence, their uncertainty bands overlap enough that we can’t say for sure that Trump rates the lowest of those three. But the bottom line is that the president appears even more unpopular than previously thought, and more disliked than the standard presidential approval question is able to reveal. Although the electoral implications of Trump’s unpopularity and impeachment remain to be seen, the data we do have isn’t promising for Trump.

    Nobody likes him.  Nobody.
    That's not true
    He's liked by....

    Forced birthers
    anti-constitutionalists
    White nationalists
    White supremacists 
    Racists
    Gun lovers
    Anyone who is pro-russia 
    Anyone anti-LGBTQ
    Anyone anti-Semitic
    Anyone anti- woman
    Xenophobes
    Neo-nazis
    republicans
    conservatives
    People who don't  believe in the rule of law
    People who don't believe in common sense
    People who don't believe in doing the right thing

    See lots of people like him

    The "echo chambering" that many of those in the "whatever the R's have become" column participate in makes them seem louder than they actually are. The truth is that they are still a minority and are going to get stomped in 2020.  

    This week, kicked off (appropriately) by MLK day, is going to blow for Don Trump.  BLOW.
    We're going to have a shit show here in Richmond by those lunatic gun nuts tomorrow.  Already 7 arrests of nazis, weapons ban at the capital,  an injunction request blocked by the SCOTUS, etc. Tomorrow may be bad. 
    I sincerely hope that it is calm. Ugh.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,934
    mfc2006 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ikiT said:
    ikiT said:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-may-be-even-more-unpopular-than-his-approval-rating-shows/

    Trump May Be Even More Unpopular Than His Approval Rating Shows


    President Trump Hosts Roundtable Discussion On Governors Initiative On Regulatory Innovation


    Polls have consistently shown that President Trump is pretty unpopular, with only about 42 percent of the American public approving of the job he is doing as president. These numbers are much lower than what one might expect given the bustling economy.

    But does the standard presidential approval question actually capture what voters think of Trump’s job performance? There are several reasons it might not tell the full story. For one, in this hyper-partisan era, presidential approval numbers have become increasingly polarized and don’t move around all that much, so they may now say more about which “side” people are on (pro-Trump or anti-Trump, Republican or Democrat) than voters’ actual evaluation of how the president is doing.

    So we (Enns and Schuldt) have worked to develop a hopefully more nuanced approach to measuring presidential approval, where we ask respondents how favorably they feel toward Trump relative to other notable Republicans. By not explicitly asking respondents whether they approve or disapprove of the president, we avoid forcing respondents to take sides, as they do in the standard presidential approval question. Instead, respondents from both parties evaluate Trump in comparison to other Republicans, like former President George W. Bush, the late Sen. John McCain, McCain’s former running mate Sarah Palin, Vice President Mike Pence, and former President Ronald Reagan. (We selected these specific Republicans because they range from the highly regarded Reagan, who is often viewed as the voice of modern conservatism, to Palin, the former Alaska governor whose time in national politics was much shorter and less influential.) We’re most interested in how the public views Trump when they aren’t asked about the president in isolation. Do respondents rate him as highly as other Republicans? Less highly? And does this help clarify whether partisan cheerleading is masking respondents’ actual assessments of Trump in the traditional presidential approval question?

    This is now our second survey where we’ve measured Trump’s favorability among likely voters, and in both surveys, we found that the standard presidential approval question may be overestimating Trump’s popularity. Our first survey was conducted before the 2018 midterm elections (July 3 to July 12) and our second survey was conducted soon after the Dec. 18 House vote that formally impeached the president (Dec. 20 to Dec. 22), but in both instances, likely voters rated Trump toward the bottom of our list of Republicans.

    Before the midterms, Trump’s favorability rating was statistically indistinguishable from Pence’s, and only Palin was rated less favorably. Following impeachment, Trump was even lower relative to the other Republicans we asked about. Not only is he the least popular president to run for reelection since Gerald Ford according to polls asking the standard presidential approval question, but in our measure, he is now also rated less favorably than his vice president. He’s also essentially tied with Palin for the least favorable Republican on our list, which is notable because when respondents are asked the traditional favorability question, Palin’s numbers are even lower than Trump’s — in 2016, an ABC News-Washington Post poll found that just 30 percent of the public had a favorable impression of the former governor.

    In terms of how Trump’s support breaks down along party lines, we also broke out our favorability rankings by Democrats, Republicans and independents.1 There we saw some pretty stark divisions, like the ones you see in the standard presidential approval question. For instance, Democrats, not surprisingly, ranked Trump last and ranked McCain the highest. Likewise, Republicans ranked Trump highly, behind only Reagan in our December poll. But among independents, Trump’s position was perhaps more telling. This group, which is typically viewed as potential swing voters, ranked Trump at the bottom of the list — statistically tied with both Palin and Pence.

    As with all survey data, there is uncertainty around these estimates. For example, although it appears that independents rate Trump slightly lower than Palin and Pence, their uncertainty bands overlap enough that we can’t say for sure that Trump rates the lowest of those three. But the bottom line is that the president appears even more unpopular than previously thought, and more disliked than the standard presidential approval question is able to reveal. Although the electoral implications of Trump’s unpopularity and impeachment remain to be seen, the data we do have isn’t promising for Trump.

    Nobody likes him.  Nobody.
    That's not true
    He's liked by....

    Forced birthers
    anti-constitutionalists
    White nationalists
    White supremacists 
    Racists
    Gun lovers
    Anyone who is pro-russia 
    Anyone anti-LGBTQ
    Anyone anti-Semitic
    Anyone anti- woman
    Xenophobes
    Neo-nazis
    republicans
    conservatives
    People who don't  believe in the rule of law
    People who don't believe in common sense
    People who don't believe in doing the right thing

    See lots of people like him

    The "echo chambering" that many of those in the "whatever the R's have become" column participate in makes them seem louder than they actually are. The truth is that they are still a minority and are going to get stomped in 2020.  

    This week, kicked off (appropriately) by MLK day, is going to blow for Don Trump.  BLOW.
    We're going to have a shit show here in Richmond by those lunatic gun nuts tomorrow.  Already 7 arrests of nazis, weapons ban at the capital,  an injunction request blocked by the SCOTUS, etc. Tomorrow may be bad. 
    I sincerely hope that it is calm. Ugh.
    Many of the Virginia based gun control advocates have cancelled their counter rallies due to the threats.  It could be a conflict between people trying to take guns on the capital grounds and the state police.  
  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,620
    Guns carried by "militia-types" were the problem in Charlottesville.  That, and all the nazis.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 20,825
    He’s so happy now!


    Yup the white-nationalists are happy
    The white- supremacists are happy
    The neo-nazis are happy
    The racist are happy
    The republicans are happy

    And this begats that:


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  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 32,367
    Quoting isn't my strong suit, I guess. Ugh.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 17,064
    mfc2006 said:
    Quoting isn't my strong suit, I guess. Ugh.
    its not you, its this fucking website....
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,934
    Hehe..good one.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 32,367
    mickeyrat said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Quoting isn't my strong suit, I guess. Ugh.
    its not you, its this fucking website....
    Thanks for that!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 22,695
    For the sweet love of the baby jeebus, would those attendees of Davos please, please, please, get in Team Trump Treasons face, poke him in the chest and let the spittle fly, and after you’ve made him cry, junk punch him? Please and thank you, America will thank you.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 35,867


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    That's so Larry David.  Nice.  Too bad the show isn't on, you could do a whole season on being a Trump supporter in Hollywood.
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,121
    mrussel1 said:


    That's so Larry David.  Nice.  Too bad the show isn't on, you could do a whole season on being a Trump supporter in Hollywood.
    Good news for you! The new season started last night, and the screen grab is from the episode!!
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 35,867
    Haha
    Yeah Russell, the episode is quite timely
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,934
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:


    That's so Larry David.  Nice.  Too bad the show isn't on, you could do a whole season on being a Trump supporter in Hollywood.
    Good news for you! The new season started last night, and the screen grab is from the episode!!
    Oh shit!  I didn't know there was a new season!  Really great news!
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 16,679
    last night's episode was a classic. 

    larry did not want to have a lunch meeting with this guy so he showed up to lunch with the MAGA hat. the guy wouldn't eat with him.

    then while driving he cut off a biker. the biker was going to kick larry's ass. larry put on the MAGA hat and the biker let him go.

    then at the end larry put on a white bathrobe and the hat. his secretary saw him dressed like that and quit.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 35,867
    last night's episode was a classic. 

    larry did not want to have a lunch meeting with this guy so he showed up to lunch with the MAGA hat. the guy wouldn't eat with him.

    then while driving he cut off a biker. the biker was going to kick larry's ass. larry put on the MAGA hat and the biker let him go.

    then at the end larry put on a white bathrobe and the hat. his secretary saw him dressed like that and quit.
    He was able to sit by himself at the sushi bar with the assistance of the hat too.

    Fucking brilliant
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 16,679
    last night's episode was a classic. 

    larry did not want to have a lunch meeting with this guy so he showed up to lunch with the MAGA hat. the guy wouldn't eat with him.

    then while driving he cut off a biker. the biker was going to kick larry's ass. larry put on the MAGA hat and the biker let him go.

    then at the end larry put on a white bathrobe and the hat. his secretary saw him dressed like that and quit.
    He was able to sit by himself at the sushi bar with the assistance of the hat too.

    Fucking brilliant
    i knew there was something i was forgetting!! lol

    i hope this is going to be a running gimmick this season. i can see it getting larry into some awkward situations.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 22,695
    16,241 false or misleading claims made by Team Trump Treason since taking office. Tell your kids it’s okay to lie and they too can be POTUS.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 7,126
    I don't  like American soldiers that have been injured in war type situations....


  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 2,612
    I don't  like American soldiers that have been injured in war type situations....


    Trump's reaction and dismissive attitude regarding the soldier's injuries really piss me off!
    “No, I heard that they had headaches and a couple of other things,” Trump responded. “But I would say, and I can report, it is not very serious.”
    Dear Mr. cheeto, please sit inside a bunker and experience incoming missiles before you trivialize the soldier's injuries.
    Oh wait, you won't/can't because you have 'bone spurs'. What a POS.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 22,695
    And who was Pence speaking to the other day on the WH YouTube channel?

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  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 3,931
    I don't  like American soldiers that have been injured in war type situations....



    Yet the indoctrinated deep red soldiers won't vote blue.  95% of them anyway.

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,934
    Smellyman said:
    I don't  like American soldiers that have been injured in war type situations....



    Yet the indoctrinated deep red soldiers won't vote blue.  95% of them anyway.

    That's not true.  His approval rating in underwater with the military the last poll I saw from the Military Times. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 20,825
    edited January 23
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    I don't  like American soldiers that have been injured in war type situations....



    Yet the indoctrinated deep red soldiers won't vote blue.  95% of them anyway.

    That's not true.  His approval rating in underwater with the military the last poll I saw from the Military Times. 
    that's no surprise. the amount of utter confusion and tomfoolery that lays at his feet, not to mention his utter lack of respect for them is astounding. if you're in the military you'd have to be an idiot to still support this turd. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,934
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    I don't  like American soldiers that have been injured in war type situations....



    Yet the indoctrinated deep red soldiers won't vote blue.  95% of them anyway.

    That's not true.  His approval rating in underwater with the military the last poll I saw from the Military Times. 
    that's no surprise. the amount of utter confusion and tomfoolery that lays at his feet, not to mention his utter lack of respect for them is astounding. if you're in the military you'd have to be an idiot to still support this turd. 
    Correct.  I hope people (in general) are finally looking at his actions, not his words.  It's amazing how they conflict on just about everything.  
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 2,104
    It's amazing the lengths people will go to to protect something that helps them (or is perceived as such).  

    The same people who lost their minds over Obama's "coffee cup salute" just let all of Trump's blatant disrespect slide.  Trump is the absolute epitome of (to paraphrase Colonel Nathan R. Jessup) a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of military protection but cannot muster appreciation for it.  

    The coffee cup salute was a moment where Obama, a very smart man, was not very wise.  But it doesn't hold a candle to "I like soldiers that don't get captured."
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    OnWis97 said:
    It's amazing the lengths people will go to to protect something that helps them (or is perceived as such).  

    The same people who lost their minds over Obama's "coffee cup salute" just let all of Trump's blatant disrespect slide.  Trump is the absolute epitome of (to paraphrase Colonel Nathan R. Jessup) a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of military protection but cannot muster appreciation for it.  

    The coffee cup salute was a moment where Obama, a very smart man, was not very wise.  But it doesn't hold a candle to "I like soldiers that don't get captured."
    or "... they were just headaches. They are fine....."

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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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