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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,620
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,620
    still impeached
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,620
    What we do know is that the Secret Service has spent $588,000 renting golf carts since 2017.


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/opinions/trump-secret-service-spending-dantonio/index.html
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 22,445
    ikiT said:
    What we do know is that the Secret Service has spent $588,000 renting golf carts since 2017.


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/opinions/trump-secret-service-spending-dantonio/index.html
    But but Obama , if I was a Democrat debating him I’d bring this up every single time ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 9,666
    ikiT said:
    What we do know is that the Secret Service has spent $588,000 renting golf carts since 2017.


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/opinions/trump-secret-service-spending-dantonio/index.html
    But but Obama , if I was a Democrat debating him I’d bring this up every single time ...
    yep....hopefully they will make a real nice ad for this.  There is plenty of video of tRump criticizing Obama for golfing and stating that he would give up golf, etc.  He basically spent more related to golf (a lot of which was paid to his company) in a few years than Obama did in 8 years
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 17,063
    the man is a deal maker.......

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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 7,125
    mickeyrat said:
    Because republican politicians and voters don't believe that the rule of law applies to the currently elected president this ruling means nada.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 22,686
    Why would you lie about this? And why do people support this Administration? Everything is a lie.

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 13,650
    I work in a manufacturing/office setting for a major manufacturer in the US.  The people that sit right around me are all great people.  They are all highly educated as well.  And while the company is extremely diverse, they all are white males at the moment (just the people by me, the rest of the location is pretty diverse by race, gender, even background/region/ethnicity). 

    When I got back to work after the holidays they were discussing the killing of the Iranian general.  They weren't gung-ho about it, but more of a "What's the big deal".  Well, I decided to chime in.... They claim that he was a terrorist so no different than killing any terrorist or any drone strike.  I disagreed and stated why.  We never agreed...and they seemed surprised by my opinion.  They seemed more upset about the media making it out to be a bad thing then actually thinking through the reality of the situation.  And the bottom line to them was, the guy was bad and killed lots of people.  When I said, well the US kills lots of people, what would you think if Iran used a drone to kill a US general, or one the of cabinet.  Of course that was an act of war. ;)

    It was a bit disheartening that most didn't seem willing to bend.  A couple did.  If I were to guess the voting of the 8 people (including me) in this area, I would bet 4-4 split on voting in the next presidential election.  Most of the other leaders I deal with at work make fun of trump more than I'm used to people talking openly about politics so that gives me some hope back.  I still think there is a population of really good people (mostly white, highly educated males) that will still vote for trump.  I think the bad stuff he does is so far removed from their day to day lives that they can ignore or excuse it. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 17,063
    I work in a manufacturing/office setting for a major manufacturer in the US.  The people that sit right around me are all great people.  They are all highly educated as well.  And while the company is extremely diverse, they all are white males at the moment (just the people by me, the rest of the location is pretty diverse by race, gender, even background/region/ethnicity). 

    When I got back to work after the holidays they were discussing the killing of the Iranian general.  They weren't gung-ho about it, but more of a "What's the big deal".  Well, I decided to chime in.... They claim that he was a terrorist so no different than killing any terrorist or any drone strike.  I disagreed and stated why.  We never agreed...and they seemed surprised by my opinion.  They seemed more upset about the media making it out to be a bad thing then actually thinking through the reality of the situation.  And the bottom line to them was, the guy was bad and killed lots of people.  When I said, well the US kills lots of people, what would you think if Iran used a drone to kill a US general, or one the of cabinet.  Of course that was an act of war. ;)

    It was a bit disheartening that most didn't seem willing to bend.  A couple did.  If I were to guess the voting of the 8 people (including me) in this area, I would bet 4-4 split on voting in the next presidential election.  Most of the other leaders I deal with at work make fun of trump more than I'm used to people talking openly about politics so that gives me some hope back.  I still think there is a population of really good people (mostly white, highly educated males) that will still vote for trump.  I think the bad stuff he does is so far removed from their day to day lives that they can ignore or excuse it. 
    yeah, unfortunately we are that way. If we arent directly affected by it, we seem to have a hard time considering how others are affected.
    And thats a goddamn shame. We lost that barn raising sense of community a long time ago.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 20,825
    I work in a manufacturing/office setting for a major manufacturer in the US.  The people that sit right around me are all great people.  They are all highly educated as well.  And while the company is extremely diverse, they all are white males at the moment (just the people by me, the rest of the location is pretty diverse by race, gender, even background/region/ethnicity). 

    When I got back to work after the holidays they were discussing the killing of the Iranian general.  They weren't gung-ho about it, but more of a "What's the big deal".  Well, I decided to chime in.... They claim that he was a terrorist so no different than killing any terrorist or any drone strike.  I disagreed and stated why.  We never agreed...and they seemed surprised by my opinion.  They seemed more upset about the media making it out to be a bad thing then actually thinking through the reality of the situation.  And the bottom line to them was, the guy was bad and killed lots of people.  When I said, well the US kills lots of people, what would you think if Iran used a drone to kill a US general, or one the of cabinet.  Of course that was an act of war. ;)

    It was a bit disheartening that most didn't seem willing to bend.  A couple did.  If I were to guess the voting of the 8 people (including me) in this area, I would bet 4-4 split on voting in the next presidential election.  Most of the other leaders I deal with at work make fun of trump more than I'm used to people talking openly about politics so that gives me some hope back.  I still think there is a population of really good people (mostly white, highly educated males) that will still vote for trump.  I think the bad stuff he does is so far removed from their day to day lives that they can ignore or excuse it. 
    it's typical "but we're the good guys" syndrome. everyone we kill is bad. everyone they kill is good. 

    I'm a white hat. 

    fucking caveman thinking. 
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,963
    edited January 17
    It is ab-so-lute-leeeeeeeee the ability to remove oneself from something that has no affect on one's life. Oh, that and white privilege - especially male, white privilege. 

    The quicker we acknowledge that both these things above are a thing the quicker we can move on to understanding, tolerance, empathy. Ya know, being a human being basic shit.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 22,686
    He’s so happy now!


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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 7,125
    He’s so happy now!


    Yup the white-nationalists are happy
    The white- supremacists are happy
    The neo-nazis are happy
    The racist are happy
    The republicans are happy

  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 2,103
    To 100 million people, the most beloved man in American history.  Called military leads a bunch of dopes and babies.  Imagine if Obama had done that...

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/dopes-and-babies-trump-unleashed-expletive-filled-rant-at-military-leaders-after-growing-bored-in-pentagon-meeting-report/
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 13,650
    OnWis97 said:
    To 100 million people, the most beloved man in American history.  Called military leads a bunch of dopes and babies.  Imagine if Obama had done that...

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/dopes-and-babies-trump-unleashed-expletive-filled-rant-at-military-leaders-after-growing-bored-in-pentagon-meeting-report/
    He always calls the people he is mad at exactly what he is.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 12,382
    edited January 17
    OnWis97 said:
    To 100 million people, the most beloved man in American history.  Called military leads a bunch of dopes and babies.  Imagine if Obama had done that...

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/dopes-and-babies-trump-unleashed-expletive-filled-rant-at-military-leaders-after-growing-bored-in-pentagon-meeting-report/
    He always calls the people he is mad at exactly what he is.
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    OnWis97 said:
    To 100 million people, the most beloved man in American history.  Called military leads a bunch of dopes and babies.  Imagine if Obama had done that...

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/dopes-and-babies-trump-unleashed-expletive-filled-rant-at-military-leaders-after-growing-bored-in-pentagon-meeting-report/
    indeed a very, very, stable genius.
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,620
    I hope those corruptAF lawyerin' sons o bitches got paid up front.  I wouldn't have done it for less than 15m.

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 35,867
    Trump admin is pushing for more pizza and potatoes in place of fruit and veggies for school lunches now. 

    Hahaha. Big stuff. Little stuff. It's a fucking unreal disaster. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 22,686
    He’s so happy now!


    Yup the white-nationalists are happy
    The white- supremacists are happy
    The neo-nazis are happy
    The racist are happy
    The republicans are happy

    And this begats that:


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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,820
    Trump admin is pushing for more pizza and potatoes in place of fruit and veggies for school lunches now. 

    Hahaha. Big stuff. Little stuff. It's a fucking unreal disaster. 
    Fruit, veggies, light bulbs and toilets. Amazing what keeps Cheetolini up at night.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 2,103
    Trump admin is pushing for more pizza and potatoes in place of fruit and veggies for school lunches now. 

    Hahaha. Big stuff. Little stuff. It's a fucking unreal disaster. 
    Because the push toward healthy was from Michelle? (Who's birthday is today...coincidence?)

    Diabetes to own the libs!

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 35,867
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-may-be-even-more-unpopular-than-his-approval-rating-shows/

    Trump May Be Even More Unpopular Than His Approval Rating Shows


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    Polls have consistently shown that President Trump is pretty unpopular, with only about 42 percent of the American public approving of the job he is doing as president. These numbers are much lower than what one might expect given the bustling economy.

    But does the standard presidential approval question actually capture what voters think of Trump’s job performance? There are several reasons it might not tell the full story. For one, in this hyper-partisan era, presidential approval numbers have become increasingly polarized and don’t move around all that much, so they may now say more about which “side” people are on (pro-Trump or anti-Trump, Republican or Democrat) than voters’ actual evaluation of how the president is doing.

    So we (Enns and Schuldt) have worked to develop a hopefully more nuanced approach to measuring presidential approval, where we ask respondents how favorably they feel toward Trump relative to other notable Republicans. By not explicitly asking respondents whether they approve or disapprove of the president, we avoid forcing respondents to take sides, as they do in the standard presidential approval question. Instead, respondents from both parties evaluate Trump in comparison to other Republicans, like former President George W. Bush, the late Sen. John McCain, McCain’s former running mate Sarah Palin, Vice President Mike Pence, and former President Ronald Reagan. (We selected these specific Republicans because they range from the highly regarded Reagan, who is often viewed as the voice of modern conservatism, to Palin, the former Alaska governor whose time in national politics was much shorter and less influential.) We’re most interested in how the public views Trump when they aren’t asked about the president in isolation. Do respondents rate him as highly as other Republicans? Less highly? And does this help clarify whether partisan cheerleading is masking respondents’ actual assessments of Trump in the traditional presidential approval question?

    This is now our second survey where we’ve measured Trump’s favorability among likely voters, and in both surveys, we found that the standard presidential approval question may be overestimating Trump’s popularity. Our first survey was conducted before the 2018 midterm elections (July 3 to July 12) and our second survey was conducted soon after the Dec. 18 House vote that formally impeached the president (Dec. 20 to Dec. 22), but in both instances, likely voters rated Trump toward the bottom of our list of Republicans.

    Before the midterms, Trump’s favorability rating was statistically indistinguishable from Pence’s, and only Palin was rated less favorably. Following impeachment, Trump was even lower relative to the other Republicans we asked about. Not only is he the least popular president to run for reelection since Gerald Ford according to polls asking the standard presidential approval question, but in our measure, he is now also rated less favorably than his vice president. He’s also essentially tied with Palin for the least favorable Republican on our list, which is notable because when respondents are asked the traditional favorability question, Palin’s numbers are even lower than Trump’s — in 2016, an ABC News-Washington Post poll found that just 30 percent of the public had a favorable impression of the former governor.

    In terms of how Trump’s support breaks down along party lines, we also broke out our favorability rankings by Democrats, Republicans and independents.1 There we saw some pretty stark divisions, like the ones you see in the standard presidential approval question. For instance, Democrats, not surprisingly, ranked Trump last and ranked McCain the highest. Likewise, Republicans ranked Trump highly, behind only Reagan in our December poll. But among independents, Trump’s position was perhaps more telling. This group, which is typically viewed as potential swing voters, ranked Trump at the bottom of the list — statistically tied with both Palin and Pence.

    As with all survey data, there is uncertainty around these estimates. For example, although it appears that independents rate Trump slightly lower than Palin and Pence, their uncertainty bands overlap enough that we can’t say for sure that Trump rates the lowest of those three. But the bottom line is that the president appears even more unpopular than previously thought, and more disliked than the standard presidential approval question is able to reveal. Although the electoral implications of Trump’s unpopularity and impeachment remain to be seen, the data we do have isn’t promising for Trump.

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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,620
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-may-be-even-more-unpopular-than-his-approval-rating-shows/

    Trump May Be Even More Unpopular Than His Approval Rating Shows


    President Trump Hosts Roundtable Discussion On Governors Initiative On Regulatory Innovation


    Polls have consistently shown that President Trump is pretty unpopular, with only about 42 percent of the American public approving of the job he is doing as president. These numbers are much lower than what one might expect given the bustling economy.

    But does the standard presidential approval question actually capture what voters think of Trump’s job performance? There are several reasons it might not tell the full story. For one, in this hyper-partisan era, presidential approval numbers have become increasingly polarized and don’t move around all that much, so they may now say more about which “side” people are on (pro-Trump or anti-Trump, Republican or Democrat) than voters’ actual evaluation of how the president is doing.

    So we (Enns and Schuldt) have worked to develop a hopefully more nuanced approach to measuring presidential approval, where we ask respondents how favorably they feel toward Trump relative to other notable Republicans. By not explicitly asking respondents whether they approve or disapprove of the president, we avoid forcing respondents to take sides, as they do in the standard presidential approval question. Instead, respondents from both parties evaluate Trump in comparison to other Republicans, like former President George W. Bush, the late Sen. John McCain, McCain’s former running mate Sarah Palin, Vice President Mike Pence, and former President Ronald Reagan. (We selected these specific Republicans because they range from the highly regarded Reagan, who is often viewed as the voice of modern conservatism, to Palin, the former Alaska governor whose time in national politics was much shorter and less influential.) We’re most interested in how the public views Trump when they aren’t asked about the president in isolation. Do respondents rate him as highly as other Republicans? Less highly? And does this help clarify whether partisan cheerleading is masking respondents’ actual assessments of Trump in the traditional presidential approval question?

    This is now our second survey where we’ve measured Trump’s favorability among likely voters, and in both surveys, we found that the standard presidential approval question may be overestimating Trump’s popularity. Our first survey was conducted before the 2018 midterm elections (July 3 to July 12) and our second survey was conducted soon after the Dec. 18 House vote that formally impeached the president (Dec. 20 to Dec. 22), but in both instances, likely voters rated Trump toward the bottom of our list of Republicans.

    Before the midterms, Trump’s favorability rating was statistically indistinguishable from Pence’s, and only Palin was rated less favorably. Following impeachment, Trump was even lower relative to the other Republicans we asked about. Not only is he the least popular president to run for reelection since Gerald Ford according to polls asking the standard presidential approval question, but in our measure, he is now also rated less favorably than his vice president. He’s also essentially tied with Palin for the least favorable Republican on our list, which is notable because when respondents are asked the traditional favorability question, Palin’s numbers are even lower than Trump’s — in 2016, an ABC News-Washington Post poll found that just 30 percent of the public had a favorable impression of the former governor.

    In terms of how Trump’s support breaks down along party lines, we also broke out our favorability rankings by Democrats, Republicans and independents.1 There we saw some pretty stark divisions, like the ones you see in the standard presidential approval question. For instance, Democrats, not surprisingly, ranked Trump last and ranked McCain the highest. Likewise, Republicans ranked Trump highly, behind only Reagan in our December poll. But among independents, Trump’s position was perhaps more telling. This group, which is typically viewed as potential swing voters, ranked Trump at the bottom of the list — statistically tied with both Palin and Pence.

    As with all survey data, there is uncertainty around these estimates. For example, although it appears that independents rate Trump slightly lower than Palin and Pence, their uncertainty bands overlap enough that we can’t say for sure that Trump rates the lowest of those three. But the bottom line is that the president appears even more unpopular than previously thought, and more disliked than the standard presidential approval question is able to reveal. Although the electoral implications of Trump’s unpopularity and impeachment remain to be seen, the data we do have isn’t promising for Trump.

    Nobody likes him.  Nobody.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 7,125
    ikiT said:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-may-be-even-more-unpopular-than-his-approval-rating-shows/

    Trump May Be Even More Unpopular Than His Approval Rating Shows


    President Trump Hosts Roundtable Discussion On Governors Initiative On Regulatory Innovation


    Polls have consistently shown that President Trump is pretty unpopular, with only about 42 percent of the American public approving of the job he is doing as president. These numbers are much lower than what one might expect given the bustling economy.

    But does the standard presidential approval question actually capture what voters think of Trump’s job performance? There are several reasons it might not tell the full story. For one, in this hyper-partisan era, presidential approval numbers have become increasingly polarized and don’t move around all that much, so they may now say more about which “side” people are on (pro-Trump or anti-Trump, Republican or Democrat) than voters’ actual evaluation of how the president is doing.

    So we (Enns and Schuldt) have worked to develop a hopefully more nuanced approach to measuring presidential approval, where we ask respondents how favorably they feel toward Trump relative to other notable Republicans. By not explicitly asking respondents whether they approve or disapprove of the president, we avoid forcing respondents to take sides, as they do in the standard presidential approval question. Instead, respondents from both parties evaluate Trump in comparison to other Republicans, like former President George W. Bush, the late Sen. John McCain, McCain’s former running mate Sarah Palin, Vice President Mike Pence, and former President Ronald Reagan. (We selected these specific Republicans because they range from the highly regarded Reagan, who is often viewed as the voice of modern conservatism, to Palin, the former Alaska governor whose time in national politics was much shorter and less influential.) We’re most interested in how the public views Trump when they aren’t asked about the president in isolation. Do respondents rate him as highly as other Republicans? Less highly? And does this help clarify whether partisan cheerleading is masking respondents’ actual assessments of Trump in the traditional presidential approval question?

    This is now our second survey where we’ve measured Trump’s favorability among likely voters, and in both surveys, we found that the standard presidential approval question may be overestimating Trump’s popularity. Our first survey was conducted before the 2018 midterm elections (July 3 to July 12) and our second survey was conducted soon after the Dec. 18 House vote that formally impeached the president (Dec. 20 to Dec. 22), but in both instances, likely voters rated Trump toward the bottom of our list of Republicans.

    Before the midterms, Trump’s favorability rating was statistically indistinguishable from Pence’s, and only Palin was rated less favorably. Following impeachment, Trump was even lower relative to the other Republicans we asked about. Not only is he the least popular president to run for reelection since Gerald Ford according to polls asking the standard presidential approval question, but in our measure, he is now also rated less favorably than his vice president. He’s also essentially tied with Palin for the least favorable Republican on our list, which is notable because when respondents are asked the traditional favorability question, Palin’s numbers are even lower than Trump’s — in 2016, an ABC News-Washington Post poll found that just 30 percent of the public had a favorable impression of the former governor.

    In terms of how Trump’s support breaks down along party lines, we also broke out our favorability rankings by Democrats, Republicans and independents.1 There we saw some pretty stark divisions, like the ones you see in the standard presidential approval question. For instance, Democrats, not surprisingly, ranked Trump last and ranked McCain the highest. Likewise, Republicans ranked Trump highly, behind only Reagan in our December poll. But among independents, Trump’s position was perhaps more telling. This group, which is typically viewed as potential swing voters, ranked Trump at the bottom of the list — statistically tied with both Palin and Pence.

    As with all survey data, there is uncertainty around these estimates. For example, although it appears that independents rate Trump slightly lower than Palin and Pence, their uncertainty bands overlap enough that we can’t say for sure that Trump rates the lowest of those three. But the bottom line is that the president appears even more unpopular than previously thought, and more disliked than the standard presidential approval question is able to reveal. Although the electoral implications of Trump’s unpopularity and impeachment remain to be seen, the data we do have isn’t promising for Trump.

    Nobody likes him.  Nobody.
    That's not true
    He's liked by....

    Forced birthers
    anti-constitutionalists
    White nationalists
    White supremacists 
    Racists
    Gun lovers
    Anyone who is pro-russia 
    Anyone anti-LGBTQ
    Anyone anti-Semitic
    Anyone anti- woman
    Xenophobes
    Neo-nazis
    republicans
    conservatives
    People who don't  believe in the rule of law
    People who don't believe in common sense
    People who don't believe in doing the right thing

    See lots of people like him

  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 8,620
    ikiT said:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-may-be-even-more-unpopular-than-his-approval-rating-shows/

    Trump May Be Even More Unpopular Than His Approval Rating Shows


    President Trump Hosts Roundtable Discussion On Governors Initiative On Regulatory Innovation


    Polls have consistently shown that President Trump is pretty unpopular, with only about 42 percent of the American public approving of the job he is doing as president. These numbers are much lower than what one might expect given the bustling economy.

    But does the standard presidential approval question actually capture what voters think of Trump’s job performance? There are several reasons it might not tell the full story. For one, in this hyper-partisan era, presidential approval numbers have become increasingly polarized and don’t move around all that much, so they may now say more about which “side” people are on (pro-Trump or anti-Trump, Republican or Democrat) than voters’ actual evaluation of how the president is doing.

    So we (Enns and Schuldt) have worked to develop a hopefully more nuanced approach to measuring presidential approval, where we ask respondents how favorably they feel toward Trump relative to other notable Republicans. By not explicitly asking respondents whether they approve or disapprove of the president, we avoid forcing respondents to take sides, as they do in the standard presidential approval question. Instead, respondents from both parties evaluate Trump in comparison to other Republicans, like former President George W. Bush, the late Sen. John McCain, McCain’s former running mate Sarah Palin, Vice President Mike Pence, and former President Ronald Reagan. (We selected these specific Republicans because they range from the highly regarded Reagan, who is often viewed as the voice of modern conservatism, to Palin, the former Alaska governor whose time in national politics was much shorter and less influential.) We’re most interested in how the public views Trump when they aren’t asked about the president in isolation. Do respondents rate him as highly as other Republicans? Less highly? And does this help clarify whether partisan cheerleading is masking respondents’ actual assessments of Trump in the traditional presidential approval question?

    This is now our second survey where we’ve measured Trump’s favorability among likely voters, and in both surveys, we found that the standard presidential approval question may be overestimating Trump’s popularity. Our first survey was conducted before the 2018 midterm elections (July 3 to July 12) and our second survey was conducted soon after the Dec. 18 House vote that formally impeached the president (Dec. 20 to Dec. 22), but in both instances, likely voters rated Trump toward the bottom of our list of Republicans.

    Before the midterms, Trump’s favorability rating was statistically indistinguishable from Pence’s, and only Palin was rated less favorably. Following impeachment, Trump was even lower relative to the other Republicans we asked about. Not only is he the least popular president to run for reelection since Gerald Ford according to polls asking the standard presidential approval question, but in our measure, he is now also rated less favorably than his vice president. He’s also essentially tied with Palin for the least favorable Republican on our list, which is notable because when respondents are asked the traditional favorability question, Palin’s numbers are even lower than Trump’s — in 2016, an ABC News-Washington Post poll found that just 30 percent of the public had a favorable impression of the former governor.

    In terms of how Trump’s support breaks down along party lines, we also broke out our favorability rankings by Democrats, Republicans and independents.1 There we saw some pretty stark divisions, like the ones you see in the standard presidential approval question. For instance, Democrats, not surprisingly, ranked Trump last and ranked McCain the highest. Likewise, Republicans ranked Trump highly, behind only Reagan in our December poll. But among independents, Trump’s position was perhaps more telling. This group, which is typically viewed as potential swing voters, ranked Trump at the bottom of the list — statistically tied with both Palin and Pence.

    As with all survey data, there is uncertainty around these estimates. For example, although it appears that independents rate Trump slightly lower than Palin and Pence, their uncertainty bands overlap enough that we can’t say for sure that Trump rates the lowest of those three. But the bottom line is that the president appears even more unpopular than previously thought, and more disliked than the standard presidential approval question is able to reveal. Although the electoral implications of Trump’s unpopularity and impeachment remain to be seen, the data we do have isn’t promising for Trump.

    Nobody likes him.  Nobody.
    That's not true
    He's liked by....

    Forced birthers
    anti-constitutionalists
    White nationalists
    White supremacists 
    Racists
    Gun lovers
    Anyone who is pro-russia 
    Anyone anti-LGBTQ
    Anyone anti-Semitic
    Anyone anti- woman
    Xenophobes
    Neo-nazis
    republicans
    conservatives
    People who don't  believe in the rule of law
    People who don't believe in common sense
    People who don't believe in doing the right thing

    See lots of people like him

    The "echo chambering" that many of those in the "whatever the R's have become" column participate in makes them seem louder than they actually are. The truth is that they are still a minority and are going to get stomped in 2020.  

    This week, kicked off (appropriately) by MLK day, is going to blow for Don Trump.  BLOW.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,930
    ikiT said:
    ikiT said:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-may-be-even-more-unpopular-than-his-approval-rating-shows/

    Trump May Be Even More Unpopular Than His Approval Rating Shows


    President Trump Hosts Roundtable Discussion On Governors Initiative On Regulatory Innovation


    Polls have consistently shown that President Trump is pretty unpopular, with only about 42 percent of the American public approving of the job he is doing as president. These numbers are much lower than what one might expect given the bustling economy.

    But does the standard presidential approval question actually capture what voters think of Trump’s job performance? There are several reasons it might not tell the full story. For one, in this hyper-partisan era, presidential approval numbers have become increasingly polarized and don’t move around all that much, so they may now say more about which “side” people are on (pro-Trump or anti-Trump, Republican or Democrat) than voters’ actual evaluation of how the president is doing.

    So we (Enns and Schuldt) have worked to develop a hopefully more nuanced approach to measuring presidential approval, where we ask respondents how favorably they feel toward Trump relative to other notable Republicans. By not explicitly asking respondents whether they approve or disapprove of the president, we avoid forcing respondents to take sides, as they do in the standard presidential approval question. Instead, respondents from both parties evaluate Trump in comparison to other Republicans, like former President George W. Bush, the late Sen. John McCain, McCain’s former running mate Sarah Palin, Vice President Mike Pence, and former President Ronald Reagan. (We selected these specific Republicans because they range from the highly regarded Reagan, who is often viewed as the voice of modern conservatism, to Palin, the former Alaska governor whose time in national politics was much shorter and less influential.) We’re most interested in how the public views Trump when they aren’t asked about the president in isolation. Do respondents rate him as highly as other Republicans? Less highly? And does this help clarify whether partisan cheerleading is masking respondents’ actual assessments of Trump in the traditional presidential approval question?

    This is now our second survey where we’ve measured Trump’s favorability among likely voters, and in both surveys, we found that the standard presidential approval question may be overestimating Trump’s popularity. Our first survey was conducted before the 2018 midterm elections (July 3 to July 12) and our second survey was conducted soon after the Dec. 18 House vote that formally impeached the president (Dec. 20 to Dec. 22), but in both instances, likely voters rated Trump toward the bottom of our list of Republicans.

    Before the midterms, Trump’s favorability rating was statistically indistinguishable from Pence’s, and only Palin was rated less favorably. Following impeachment, Trump was even lower relative to the other Republicans we asked about. Not only is he the least popular president to run for reelection since Gerald Ford according to polls asking the standard presidential approval question, but in our measure, he is now also rated less favorably than his vice president. He’s also essentially tied with Palin for the least favorable Republican on our list, which is notable because when respondents are asked the traditional favorability question, Palin’s numbers are even lower than Trump’s — in 2016, an ABC News-Washington Post poll found that just 30 percent of the public had a favorable impression of the former governor.

    In terms of how Trump’s support breaks down along party lines, we also broke out our favorability rankings by Democrats, Republicans and independents.1 There we saw some pretty stark divisions, like the ones you see in the standard presidential approval question. For instance, Democrats, not surprisingly, ranked Trump last and ranked McCain the highest. Likewise, Republicans ranked Trump highly, behind only Reagan in our December poll. But among independents, Trump’s position was perhaps more telling. This group, which is typically viewed as potential swing voters, ranked Trump at the bottom of the list — statistically tied with both Palin and Pence.

    As with all survey data, there is uncertainty around these estimates. For example, although it appears that independents rate Trump slightly lower than Palin and Pence, their uncertainty bands overlap enough that we can’t say for sure that Trump rates the lowest of those three. But the bottom line is that the president appears even more unpopular than previously thought, and more disliked than the standard presidential approval question is able to reveal. Although the electoral implications of Trump’s unpopularity and impeachment remain to be seen, the data we do have isn’t promising for Trump.

    Nobody likes him.  Nobody.
    That's not true
    He's liked by....

    Forced birthers
    anti-constitutionalists
    White nationalists
    White supremacists 
    Racists
    Gun lovers
    Anyone who is pro-russia 
    Anyone anti-LGBTQ
    Anyone anti-Semitic
    Anyone anti- woman
    Xenophobes
    Neo-nazis
    republicans
    conservatives
    People who don't  believe in the rule of law
    People who don't believe in common sense
    People who don't believe in doing the right thing

    See lots of people like him

    The "echo chambering" that many of those in the "whatever the R's have become" column participate in makes them seem louder than they actually are. The truth is that they are still a minority and are going to get stomped in 2020.  

    This week, kicked off (appropriately) by MLK day, is going to blow for Don Trump.  BLOW.
    We're going to have a shit show here in Richmond by those lunatic gun nuts tomorrow.  Already 7 arrests of nazis, weapons ban at the capital,  an injunction request blocked by the SCOTUS, etc. Tomorrow may be bad. 
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