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HughFreakingDillon said:I'm not sure why celebrity status has anything to do with the outrage we're supposed to feel over it.
Thanks for the explanation of television mind rot as even though a fan of Seinfeld, I don't have a photographic memory of episodes and catch phrases from past episodes like some people. I can honestly say I've never seen this Kathy woman's comedy.I think its degrees of outrage Hugh. Someone clamoring for attention versus someone who would obviously be making a point and firing up their base. This stunt reeks of desperation and was clearly in very poor taste and as such, was widely condemned by the left. I'm not sure the right would be so quick to condemn Clint Eastwood or Rob Schneider or Dennis Miller if they had pulled the stunt with Obama's head.
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mrussel1 said:Daniel Larison (American Conservative Magazine) had a solid assessment of Trump's overseas trip. Take a read. I'd love to hear thoughts on it.
H.R. McMaster and Gary Cohn gamely try to spin Trump’s foreign trip as something other than the failure that it clearly was:
President Trump just returned from nine days in the Middle East and Europe that demonstrated his America First approach to ensuring security and prosperity for our nation. America will not lead from behind. This administration will restore confidence in American leadership as we serve the American people.
It is a given that a president’s top advisers will do their best to put a favorably spin on his actions as much as they can, but this is exceptionally thin gruel. No one outside the administration believes that Trump “restored confidence” in American leadership on this trip or that he is likely to do so in the future. The only relationship that Trump “deepened” during his time overseas was with the Saudis, and this is the one relationship from which the U.S. should trying to extricate itself as quickly as possible. McMaster and Cohn obediently claim that “President Trump helped facilitate $110 billion in defense investments that will strengthen regional and American security and create American jobs,” but there are good reasons to doubt all of this. Selling the Saudis more weapons just encourages them to continue brutalizing and starving their Yemeni neighbors, which definitely doesn’t serve American security interests and likely makes Saudi Arabia less secure in the future as well. It definitely contributes to regional instability, strengthens Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), and likely helps worsen the world’s humanitarian crisis.
As for creating jobs here in the U.S., the picture is not nearly as clear-cut as the administration would like you to believe. It is entirely possible that the latest arms deal with the Saudis won’t produce any new jobs at all. Justin Glawe looked into this question last week, and this is what he found:
Is there any way for Raytheon to estimate how many jobs the deal will create? “No,” said the spokesman, Mike Doble.
Lockheed Martin’s chief executive said in a statement that the deal would “support” thousands of jobs in the United States and Saudi Arabia. Boeing said the deal would “create or sustain” jobs in both countries. Neither company would put a specific number on new jobs being created in the United States.
Whatever limited benefit a few companies might derive from this deal, it implicates the U.S. in war crimes and sinks us deeper into the mire of an atrocious war that our government should never have supported. McMaster and Cohn don’t mention any of this, but then there is no way that they could put a positive spin on our ongoing enabling of the destruction of an entire country. Our policy of supporting the Saudi-led war on Yemen is indefensible, and no U.S. officials dare attempt to defend it. The truth is that the U.S. under Trump has shamelessly embraced our worst clients, irritated our closest allies, and done nothing that actually advances U.S. interests at all. That has nothing to do with putting America first, and it has everything to do with prioritizing the interests of the governments that do the most to flatter the president’s ego.
Saudi Arabia appreciates America's leadership in the world and the EU is a crumbling failure that thinks it knows better than everyone else, or some such brilliant nonsense.
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did Obama acknowledge or discuss the war in Yemen and our support/arming of Saudi Arabia in that war? Yemen didn't start under Trump...mrussel1 said:
The war in Yemen is a travesty. Yet as far as we know, Trump has not acknowledged or discussed it. He seems content to make nice with autocrats (Putin, Duerte, Saudis) and the most illiberal governments, yet can't help but insult our closest allies. It literally makes zero sense. I don't get it.Kat said:mrussel1 said:Daniel Larison (American Conservative Magazine) had a solid assessment of Trump's overseas trip. Take a read. I'd love to hear thoughts on it.H.R. McMaster and Gary Cohn gamely try to spin Trump’s foreign trip as something other than the failure that it clearly was:
President Trump just returned from nine days in the Middle East and Europe that demonstrated his America First approach to ensuring security and prosperity for our nation. America will not lead from behind. This administration will restore confidence in American leadership as we serve the American people.
It is a given that a president’s top advisers will do their best to put a favorably spin on his actions as much as they can, but this is exceptionally thin gruel. No one outside the administration believes that Trump “restored confidence” in American leadership on this trip or that he is likely to do so in the future. The only relationship that Trump “deepened” during his time overseas was with the Saudis, and this is the one relationship from which the U.S. should trying to extricate itself as quickly as possible. McMaster and Cohn obediently claim that “President Trump helped facilitate $110 billion in defense investments that will strengthen regional and American security and create American jobs,” but there are good reasons to doubt all of this. Selling the Saudis more weapons just encourages them to continue brutalizing and starving their Yemeni neighbors, which definitely doesn’t serve American security interests and likely makes Saudi Arabia less secure in the future as well. It definitely contributes to regional instability, strengthens Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), and likely helps worsen the world’s humanitarian crisis.
As for creating jobs here in the U.S., the picture is not nearly as clear-cut as the administration would like you to believe. It is entirely possible that the latest arms deal with the Saudis won’t produce any new jobs at all. Justin Glawe looked into this question last week, and this is what he found:
Is there any way for Raytheon to estimate how many jobs the deal will create? “No,” said the spokesman, Mike Doble.
Lockheed Martin’s chief executive said in a statement that the deal would “support” thousands of jobs in the United States and Saudi Arabia. Boeing said the deal would “create or sustain” jobs in both countries. Neither company would put a specific number on new jobs being created in the United States.
Whatever limited benefit a few companies might derive from this deal, it implicates the U.S. in war crimes and sinks us deeper into the mire of an atrocious war that our government should never have supported. McMaster and Cohn don’t mention any of this, but then there is no way that they could put a positive spin on our ongoing enabling of the destruction of an entire country. Our policy of supporting the Saudi-led war on Yemen is indefensible, and no U.S. officials dare attempt to defend it. The truth is that the U.S. under Trump has shamelessly embraced our worst clients, irritated our closest allies, and done nothing that actually advances U.S. interests at all. That has nothing to do with putting America first, and it has everything to do with prioritizing the interests of the governments that do the most to flatter the president’s ego.
For some reason, Iraq and Iran came to my mind. :(
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I think the absurdity of her routine was intentional.OnWis97 said:
Off-topic, but that was the worst Seinfeld ever. The idea of people finding that "comedy routine" about Jerry funny was just too hard to swallow.HughFreakingDillon said:
Kathy Griffin. She was on Suddenly Susan. Had a bit part on Seinfeld for an episode or two (Susan's roommate Sally Weaver from college, she brought Jerry the wrong BBQ sauce, she did a standup on Seinfeld called Jerry Seinfeld is the Devil, etc). She often is a cohost of new years eve shows. I've seen her standup, and it's not good.Halifax2TheMax said:HughFreakingDillon said:
insert comparable conservative actor/comedian as you wish. the reaction would have been the same.Halifax2TheMax said:
Clint Eastwood compared to who, again?HughFreakingDillon said:be honest folks:
if Clint Eastwood had posed for a picture with a beheaded Obama doll, the liberals would have GONE BERSERK. I'm all for freedom of expression, but I don't think that was cool at all.
As someone previously said, Clint is an A-lister, world renowned actor and director with Oscar Awards. And he spoke to an empty chair to great applause at the republican convention. I still don't know who this Kathy is, never heard of her. Maybe Dennis Miller? Tim Allen? But even they're bigger brand names than this Kathy person. Still, poor taste and its being widely condemned in the liberal, fake news. Trump will play it for all its worth because he's a shallow, shallow man.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Oooooook. I think I'm missing something here.CM189191 said:0 -
I agree with you, Obama didn't really do much concerning the war in Yemenmy2hands said:
did Obama acknowledge or discuss the war in Yemen and our support/arming of Saudi Arabia in that war? Yemen didn't start under Trump...mrussel1 said:
The war in Yemen is a travesty. Yet as far as we know, Trump has not acknowledged or discussed it. He seems content to make nice with autocrats (Putin, Duerte, Saudis) and the most illiberal governments, yet can't help but insult our closest allies. It literally makes zero sense. I don't get it.Kat said:mrussel1 said:Daniel Larison (American Conservative Magazine) had a solid assessment of Trump's overseas trip. Take a read. I'd love to hear thoughts on it.H.R. McMaster and Gary Cohn gamely try to spin Trump’s foreign trip as something other than the failure that it clearly was:
President Trump just returned from nine days in the Middle East and Europe that demonstrated his America First approach to ensuring security and prosperity for our nation. America will not lead from behind. This administration will restore confidence in American leadership as we serve the American people.
It is a given that a president’s top advisers will do their best to put a favorably spin on his actions as much as they can, but this is exceptionally thin gruel. No one outside the administration believes that Trump “restored confidence” in American leadership on this trip or that he is likely to do so in the future. The only relationship that Trump “deepened” during his time overseas was with the Saudis, and this is the one relationship from which the U.S. should trying to extricate itself as quickly as possible. McMaster and Cohn obediently claim that “President Trump helped facilitate $110 billion in defense investments that will strengthen regional and American security and create American jobs,” but there are good reasons to doubt all of this. Selling the Saudis more weapons just encourages them to continue brutalizing and starving their Yemeni neighbors, which definitely doesn’t serve American security interests and likely makes Saudi Arabia less secure in the future as well. It definitely contributes to regional instability, strengthens Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), and likely helps worsen the world’s humanitarian crisis.
As for creating jobs here in the U.S., the picture is not nearly as clear-cut as the administration would like you to believe. It is entirely possible that the latest arms deal with the Saudis won’t produce any new jobs at all. Justin Glawe looked into this question last week, and this is what he found:
Is there any way for Raytheon to estimate how many jobs the deal will create? “No,” said the spokesman, Mike Doble.
Lockheed Martin’s chief executive said in a statement that the deal would “support” thousands of jobs in the United States and Saudi Arabia. Boeing said the deal would “create or sustain” jobs in both countries. Neither company would put a specific number on new jobs being created in the United States.
Whatever limited benefit a few companies might derive from this deal, it implicates the U.S. in war crimes and sinks us deeper into the mire of an atrocious war that our government should never have supported. McMaster and Cohn don’t mention any of this, but then there is no way that they could put a positive spin on our ongoing enabling of the destruction of an entire country. Our policy of supporting the Saudi-led war on Yemen is indefensible, and no U.S. officials dare attempt to defend it. The truth is that the U.S. under Trump has shamelessly embraced our worst clients, irritated our closest allies, and done nothing that actually advances U.S. interests at all. That has nothing to do with putting America first, and it has everything to do with prioritizing the interests of the governments that do the most to flatter the president’s ego.
For some reason, Iraq and Iran came to my mind. :(
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Oh ah, what we got here is a failure to communicate......Ive been out of the news what is going with all these posts im reading about Kathy Griffin.....what did she do?
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ledvedderman said:
Oooooook. I think I'm missing something here.CM189191 said:18 U.S. Code § 2381 - TreasonWhoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
If / when Trump gets convicted of treason, Kathy Griffin gets to pull the lever, right? Like, she called dibs?0 -
Well, it worked for her, anyway. She's not actually an idiot. She knew exactly what would happen with this, and did it anyway, because for her, any attention is better than no attention. That is what her entire career is built on and essentially how she earns her money .... Republicans and/or Trump supporters should actually appreciate that kind of thinking, no?Halifax2TheMax said:HughFreakingDillon said:I'm not sure why celebrity status has anything to do with the outrage we're supposed to feel over it.
Thanks for the explanation of television mind rot as even though a fan of Seinfeld, I don't have a photographic memory of episodes and catch phrases from past episodes like some people. I can honestly say I've never seen this Kathy woman's comedy.I think its degrees of outrage Hugh. Someone clamoring for attention versus someone who would obviously be making a point and firing up their base. This stunt reeks of desperation and was clearly in very poor taste and as such, was widely condemned by the left. I'm not sure the right would be so quick to condemn Clint Eastwood or Rob Schneider or Dennis Miller if they had pulled the stunt with Obama's head.
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Oh. I got ya. If he has commit treason, lock him up forever. How about a life time sentence of community service. That'd be worse than death to him. I don't wish death on anyone.CM189191 said:ledvedderman said:
Oooooook. I think I'm missing something here.CM189191 said:18 U.S. Code § 2381 - TreasonWhoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
If / when Trump gets convicted of treason, Kathy Griffin gets to pull the lever, right? Like, she called dibs?0 -
For the record, also opposed to the death penalty.ledvedderman said:
Oh. I got ya. If he has commit treason, lock him up forever. How about a life time sentence of community service. That'd be worse than death to him. I don't wish death on anyone.CM189191 said:ledvedderman said:
Oooooook. I think I'm missing something here.CM189191 said:18 U.S. Code § 2381 - TreasonWhoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
If / when Trump gets convicted of treason, Kathy Griffin gets to pull the lever, right? Like, she called dibs?
But rules are rules and Jeff Sessions said we should be prosecuting to the fullest extent the law will allow.
Certainly hope that comes around to bite him in the ass too.0 -
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I can't believe Sessions even has a job. The Attorney General lied under oath. Meh worthy, I guess.0
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Like Col. Klink, his loyalty to the Fuehrer during the campaign did not go unnoticed.
Not to be a name caller, but he's the most pathetic ass smoocher of the entire cabinet.
That cracker's imprisonment will be a good day for America.
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and he's covering up the PTAPE
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And the nut doesn't fall far from the tree, even if its not the same species:
And Jared's Pappy did time for fraud, I believe. Sound familiar?
Trump, Putin, Saudi Kings & Princes, Russian Oligarchs, Dictators, birds of a feather flock together.
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- 35.1K Given To Fly (live)
- 3.5K Words and Music...Communication
- 39.2K Flea Market
- 39.2K Lost Dogs
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- 1.1K The Art Wall
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- 31.7K All Encompassing Trip
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