i never claimed they were the same or equal, just that they are on the same spectrum. My "what's the difference" was in regards to social media vs tv.
TV had an exponentially larger reach 15 years ago.
so it's only a bad thing now because of social media's reach? shouldn't it have been a problem before, regardless? and also, isn't social media a young person's (mostly) folly? you know, the ones that don't vote?
I think people are attempting to move the goal posts because it's trump. because we are in semi-uncharted territory here, where we have the US president ready and willing to tell not just exaggerations, or partial truths, but obvious lies.
my point is where is the line drawn? is it only drawn for trump and the GOP? or do we outlaw all political ads altogether, because by and large, they are ALL utter bullshit, whether by telling lies or lying by omission of truth.
Yeah, TV's reach, even at it's height I'm sure wasn't a fraction of Facebook's reach these days. I don't have the data to support that, but even with the internet 15 years ago, I feel pretty confident assuming there was no tv station / network with a modicum of facebook's reach at any point in history.
RE: "a young person's folly" - according to recent data, 65% of Facebook users are over 35, so maybe millenials aren't to blame for this one?
No one said misleading political ads weren't a problem before, but I do agree that you ask a very important question, and that's 'where is the line drawn?'
To that I would answer if we aren't going to draw the line with a president whose lies about immigrants have inspired at least two domestic mass shootings then I guess we aren't ever going to draw the line.
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facebook, yes. it is now your parents' social media. so yes, to that end, that's true. I guess i was responding about facebook while thinking of all social media.
I wasn't trying to blame anything on millennials. typically young people, regardless of generation, are the lowest voter turnout. I wasn't targeting them.
And the ones that do turnout are only willing to support more extreme candidates. If a moderate is the nominee they stay home and gop wins.
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Left wing protesters were taking people hats and starting them on fire....they were acting like animals. That was a far bigger win for Trump than anything he actually said.
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You know...those RedHats inside the Target Center? Most of the ones up in the front of GA travel with the band. Sad really.
If you get a chance you should check out Mike Pence's intro. Don't eat a full meal beforehand.
All this may be true, but it doesn't excuse what happened outside. The point of being better is not being a little bit better than them, it's actually being civil and normal. If Trump's base is a 10 on the deplorable scale, it's not okay for the left to be a six.
You know...those RedHats inside the Target Center? Most of the ones up in the front of GA travel with the band. Sad really.
If you get a chance you should check out Mike Pence's intro. Don't eat a full meal beforehand.
All this may be true, but it doesn't excuse what happened outside. The point of being better is not being a little bit better than them, it's actually being civil and normal. If Trump's base is a 10 on the deplorable scale, it's not okay for the left to be a six.
Niceities have gotten the left absolutely nowhere. Just more shit rammed down our throats. Sometimes people reach a breaking point, particularly when things don't change and actually get worse. The deplorables and the repubs own it. Its on them to "be better.".
You know...those RedHats inside the Target Center? Most of the ones up in the front of GA travel with the band. Sad really.
If you get a chance you should check out Mike Pence's intro. Don't eat a full meal beforehand.
All this may be true, but it doesn't excuse what happened outside. The point of being better is not being a little bit better than them, it's actually being civil and normal. If Trump's base is a 10 on the deplorable scale, it's not okay for the left to be a six.
Niceities have gotten the left absolutely nowhere. Just more shit rammed down our throats. Sometimes people reach a breaking point, particularly when things don't change and actually get worse. The deplorables and the repubs own it. Its on them to "be better.".
That's bullshit. You can protest without destroying property. You can vote without breaking windows. You can be passionate without stealing articles of clothing from your opponent and assaulting them.
You know...those RedHats inside the Target Center? Most of the ones up in the front of GA travel with the band. Sad really.
If you get a chance you should check out Mike Pence's intro. Don't eat a full meal beforehand.
All this may be true, but it doesn't excuse what happened outside. The point of being better is not being a little bit better than them, it's actually being civil and normal. If Trump's base is a 10 on the deplorable scale, it's not okay for the left to be a six.
I understand the point you’re trying to make, but on the other hand, we should be protesting much much worse than that in the face of this f*ckery. The left protesting in ways some find distasteful is the absolute least of my concerns these days.
An A-bomb in downtown last night would have solved a lot of problems. Minnesota is not swinging for you, you piece of shit. Half those people there last night were probably worried about all the minorities they aren't used to seeing in bum fuck nowhere rural counties of the state. And no I'm not stereotyping, I grew up in bum fuck MN and know for a fact that's the fan base stronghold. Minneapolis, on the other hand, is "not for you!" Fuck off orange blob man. If I ignore him enough, life is fine, but that isn't reality and it needs to stop. Can someone at least throw a shoe at this assclown?
You know...those RedHats inside the Target Center? Most of the ones up in the front of GA travel with the band. Sad really.
If you get a chance you should check out Mike Pence's intro. Don't eat a full meal beforehand.
All this may be true, but it doesn't excuse what happened outside. The point of being better is not being a little bit better than them, it's actually being civil and normal. If Trump's base is a 10 on the deplorable scale, it's not okay for the left to be a six.
Niceities have gotten the left absolutely nowhere. Just more shit rammed down our throats. Sometimes people reach a breaking point, particularly when things don't change and actually get worse. The deplorables and the repubs own it. Its on them to "be better.".
That's bullshit. You can protest without destroying property. You can vote without breaking windows. You can be passionate without stealing articles of clothing from your opponent and assaulting them.
What did peaceful marches get African Americans during the civil rights movement? Cracked skulls, biting dogs and fire hoses. It’s not “bullshit” if you’re on the receiving end of things not changing and sometimes, those of us who are not need to stand up for those that are targeted.
With the hateful rhetoric and incitement to violence that is tweeted and spewed forth on a regular basis, anyone wearing a MAGA hat should expect a reaction. To think they can go about their business with an expectation that it should be “acceptable” is ignorant and stupidity. Now, if Team Trump Treason governed for ALL Americans and not just for his racist, sexist, homophobic, misogynistic base, yea it’d be “wrong.” His “rallies” are a cross between an evangelical revival and a klan meet up. Fuck that shit.
You know...those RedHats inside the Target Center? Most of the ones up in the front of GA travel with the band. Sad really.
If you get a chance you should check out Mike Pence's intro. Don't eat a full meal beforehand.
All this may be true, but it doesn't excuse what happened outside. The point of being better is not being a little bit better than them, it's actually being civil and normal. If Trump's base is a 10 on the deplorable scale, it's not okay for the left to be a six.
You know...those RedHats inside the Target Center? Most of the ones up in the front of GA travel with the band. Sad really.
If you get a chance you should check out Mike Pence's intro. Don't eat a full meal beforehand.
All this may be true, but it doesn't excuse what happened outside. The point of being better is not being a little bit better than them, it's actually being civil and normal. If Trump's base is a 10 on the deplorable scale, it's not okay for the left to be a six.
Niceities have gotten the left absolutely nowhere. Just more shit rammed down our throats. Sometimes people reach a breaking point, particularly when things don't change and actually get worse. The deplorables and the repubs own it. Its on them to "be better.".
That's bullshit. You can protest without destroying property. You can vote without breaking windows. You can be passionate without stealing articles of clothing from your opponent and assaulting them.
What did peaceful marches get African Americans during the civil rights movement? Cracked skulls, biting dogs and fire hoses. It’s not “bullshit” if you’re on the receiving end of things not changing and sometimes, those of us who are not need to stand up for those that are targeted.
With the hateful rhetoric and incitement to violence that is tweeted and spewed forth on a regular basis, anyone wearing a MAGA hat should expect a reaction. To think they can go about their business with an expectation that it should be “acceptable” is ignorant and stupidity. Now, if Team Trump Treason governed for ALL Americans and not just for his racist, sexist, homophobic, misogynistic base, yea it’d be “wrong.” His “rallies” are a cross between an evangelical revival and a klan meet up. Fuck that shit.
U.S. Sen. Tim Scott, R-S.C., blasted the hundreds of protesters outside President Trump's Minneapolis rally on Thursday night, accusing the raucous crowd of trying to intimidate everyday citizens.
Scott said those same protesters -- who were yelling at police and Trump supporters -- were the same people telling the president to "calm down."
"I've never seen such hypocrisy in all my life," he said, adding he had heard recently from a man who was reportedly accosted in New York for wearing a MAGA hat.
Civilians, he said, are "consistently being intimidated" and are being asked to "cower" to what he characterized as a "new, socialist regime."
"This approach toward anarchy continues to run amok. We cannot afford that in the greatest democracy on Earth."
I don't buy it. Lies, Lies, and still more lies.
The greatest democracy on earth cannot afford one more day of a corruptAF authoritarian dictator. #ITMFA
You know...those RedHats inside the Target Center? Most of the ones up in the front of GA travel with the band. Sad really.
If you get a chance you should check out Mike Pence's intro. Don't eat a full meal beforehand.
All this may be true, but it doesn't excuse what happened outside. The point of being better is not being a little bit better than them, it's actually being civil and normal. If Trump's base is a 10 on the deplorable scale, it's not okay for the left to be a six.
I understand the point you’re trying to make, but on the other hand, we should be protesting much much worse than that in the face of this f*ckery. The left protesting in ways some find distasteful is the absolute least of my concerns these days.
Disagree again. Need to win the election. Can't be painted into a narrative where the left is just like the right. Don't you see that's what Trump does everyday? That's a strategy, to numb the middle and so they say 'eh..they're all the same'. You can't win an argument by saying you're 20% less bad than that guy.
so we fight incitement of violence with advocating for violence now?
great strategy!
last I checked, the red hats at that rally weren't cracking any skulls or firing off any water hoses. the actions of the protesters at that rally are indefensible.
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And the ones that do turnout are only willing to support more extreme candidates. If a moderate is the nominee they stay home and gop wins.
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If you get a chance you should check out Mike Pence's intro. Don't eat a full meal beforehand.
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With the hateful rhetoric and incitement to violence that is tweeted and spewed forth on a regular basis, anyone wearing a MAGA hat should expect a reaction. To think they can go about their business with an expectation that it should be “acceptable” is ignorant and stupidity. Now, if Team Trump Treason governed for ALL Americans and not just for his racist, sexist, homophobic, misogynistic base, yea it’d be “wrong.” His “rallies” are a cross between an evangelical revival and a klan meet up. Fuck that shit.
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Brilliantati©
Scott said those same protesters -- who were yelling at police and Trump supporters -- were the same people telling the president to "calm down."
"I've never seen such hypocrisy in all my life," he said, adding he had heard recently from a man who was reportedly accosted in New York for wearing a MAGA hat.
Civilians, he said, are "consistently being intimidated" and are being asked to "cower" to what he characterized as a "new, socialist regime."
"This approach toward anarchy continues to run amok. We cannot afford that in the greatest democracy on Earth."
I don't buy it. Lies, Lies, and still more lies.
The greatest democracy on earth cannot afford one more day of a corruptAF authoritarian dictator. #ITMFA
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17 thousand booing INTELLIGENCE agencies?
The United States of Intimidation is a real thing. Stand up against it, or get used to being on your knees. Make excuses at your own peril.
great strategy!
last I checked, the red hats at that rally weren't cracking any skulls or firing off any water hoses. the actions of the protesters at that rally are indefensible.
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