"The most transformative person on the planet?" GTFOH!
President Trump Courageously
Takes Bold Risk for Peace with Kim Meeting
“With his meeting Sunday with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, President Trump
showed once again why he is the most transformative figure on the planet,”
Richard Manning writes in Fox News.
Following last week’s G20 summit, where President Trump held meetings with
world leaders from China, Japan, Russia, and elsewhere, the President “chose to
take a chance few would take by inviting Kim to meet him at the Demilitarized
Zone separating North and South Korea . . . In Washington – where risk-taking
is penalized by a media and political system determined to declare failure –
Trump has a different approach.”
What exactly has he transformed? Oh right, a democracy into a dictatorship. Putin on the ritz is laughing all the way to, well, everywhere.
which is what Obama did with Iran and the others? Big bold move, that actually changed some things?
mmmmmm, not quite. The Iran deal was negotiated with the involvement of Russia, China, France, Germany and England, was a highly complex and time consuming negotiation with experts in nuclear proliferation and production involved to ensure the Iranians were held accountable, where both sides compromised, the UN had oversight and verification and small soteps lead to bigger steps. Team Trump Treason stepped across the border at the DMZ for a photo op and still has zero, zilch, nada, nothing to show for it except an emboldened tyrant who sought legitimacy. Remember Otto? Team Trump Treason and his "only the best" ilk can't negotiate shite. What's changed?
4:00 am ramble bs ramble bs incompetent brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy
You probably should sleep more and do less drugs. Oh and use less CAPS!!!
Watching trump at 3-4am is insane.
You’re right but you should use fewer more and less fewer times
I happened upon it before Team Trump Treason took the podium and after he stepped up and opened his mouth to spew incoherent rambling, I was hooked. It was like watching a ten car pile up with 20 fatalities in super slow motion. I couldn’t look away and was horrified. Seriously, find it from start to finish and watch the INSANITY. But I warn you, ITS HORRIFIC!
Hahahah you are right on that! I always mess up fewer and less!
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
I don’t think Paulie Manaforte or Michael Cohen are very happy right now. Maybe Michael Flynn, remember him?
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy.
I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over."
But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault.
I don't blame the guy for a second. When you're an already-greedy person who's offered power gift-wrapped and with a bow on it, you take it. To have expected otherwise is asinine.
What a joke is the nation that allows the education and wealth and political gap to grow so irreparably wide, that allows apathy and division to rule over empathy and unity, that ignored warning signs of a broken system protected by nothing more than a sense of American exceptionalism, that walked away from each others' ignorance and thus let it fester, that responded positively to unfounded fallacious arguments because they just outright agreed with our own?
I'm more than a little disturbed when I see people talk incessantly about Trump, meanwhile we spend so little dialogue on who we are to have permitted this to get where it has. Some personal accountability would serve us all well, otherwise what compels us to do better next time if we felt we weren't the problem, but that he was? Surely we shouldn't wait until the devil we know is in office before we decide to act (and I think any of us who are rational, level-headed centrists are in many ways disproportionately responsible for that inaction)?
PS vaggar, this wasn't a statement on your post at all - more just a general rant about the rapidly-deteriorating state of affairs.
i'm mostly at a loss of for words regarding this guy now. i agree with most everything you say. how are we going to a change a culture that does not value education much? i'm not going to do it. My life is much richer than any life that clown will know. It's thanks to great family, music and education. I take solace in that. that's good enough for me.
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy.
I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over."
But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault.
People who yearn for freedom and democracy might be unhappy with minority elitist rule.
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy.
I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over."
But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault.
People who yearn for freedom and democracy might be unhappy with minority elitist rule.
Freedom's fine. Democracy may be being challenged by Trump and his cronies, but that's what you have Mueller and your democratic house of representatives for. They'll take care of it...or so I've been told.
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy.
I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over."
But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault.
That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy.
I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over."
But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault.
That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.
I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this.
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy.
I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over."
But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault.
That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.
I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this.
I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy.
I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over."
But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault.
That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.
I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this.
I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.
You're saying the climate in the WH affects states legislatures. I suggested that Trump's reach may compel a legislature like Alabama's to do what they've done.
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy.
I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over."
But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault.
That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.
I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this.
I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.
You're saying the climate in the WH affects states legislatures. I suggested that Trump's reach may compel a legislature like Alabama's to do what they've done.
I think that's right. Trump has been stand off on abortion issues, as an example, and also obviously nominated two pro life judges. It stands to reason that the legislatures in LA, MO, and AL have taken this opportunity to pass some fairly draconian laws that seek to punish both doctor and woman. I would disagree with you pretty dramatically when you say that his policies, or tacit support of policies doesn't hurt any rational American. For a white male like me, one in his 40's, that's probably true. For a woman, a person under DACA, low income Americans, etc., I think there have been some pretty negative effects of his presidency.
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy.
I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over."
But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault.
That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.
I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this.
I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.
You're saying the climate in the WH affects states legislatures. I suggested that Trump's reach may compel a legislature like Alabama's to do what they've done.
I think that's right. Trump has been stand off on abortion issues, as an example, and also obviously nominated two pro life judges. It stands to reason that the legislatures in LA, MO, and AL have taken this opportunity to pass some fairly draconian laws that seek to punish both doctor and woman. I would disagree with you pretty dramatically when you say that his policies, or tacit support of policies doesn't hurt any rational American. For a white male like me, one in his 40's, that's probably true. For a woman, a person under DACA, low income Americans, etc., I think there have been some pretty negative effects of his presidency.
I don't necessarily disagree with the part I bolded. The policies of every president affect people differently, and many are affected negatively. It's really the pompous wording of oftenreading's comment that made me respond. His/her comment was...
"We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump."
That's too blanket of a statement. People, like the groups you mentioned (throw LGBTQ in there as well), that may feel targeted or marginalized under the Trump administration, I can totally understand their unhappiness and wouldn't call that irrational. But for someone that doesn't belong to any of those groups, while I can see them being unhappy that Trump's the president because he's horrible, I don't see how they can be unhappy in general, like day-to-day, due to Trump being the president.
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy.
I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over."
But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault.
That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.
I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this.
I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.
You're saying the climate in the WH affects states legislatures. I suggested that Trump's reach may compel a legislature like Alabama's to do what they've done.
I think that's right. Trump has been stand off on abortion issues, as an example, and also obviously nominated two pro life judges. It stands to reason that the legislatures in LA, MO, and AL have taken this opportunity to pass some fairly draconian laws that seek to punish both doctor and woman. I would disagree with you pretty dramatically when you say that his policies, or tacit support of policies doesn't hurt any rational American. For a white male like me, one in his 40's, that's probably true. For a woman, a person under DACA, low income Americans, etc., I think there have been some pretty negative effects of his presidency.
I don't necessarily disagree with the part I bolded. The policies of every president affect people differently, and many are affected negatively. It's really the pompous wording of oftenreading's comment that made me respond. His/her comment was...
"We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump."
That's too blanket of a statement. People, like the groups you mentioned (throw LGBTQ in there as well), that may feel targeted or marginalized under the Trump administration, I can totally understand their unhappiness and wouldn't call that irrational. But for someone that doesn't belong to any of those groups, while I can see them being unhappy that Trump's the president because he's horrible, I don't see how they can be unhappy in general, like day-to-day, due to Trump being the president.
Don't take this the wrong way, but that's what empathy is, by definition. It's the ability to identify with another's situation. So while the migrant situation may not directly affect me, as an example, it's totally rational and humane to empathize with their situation and feel terrible about it. In fact, one could argue the inability or lack of empathy for the various groups have been harmed is inhumane, un-Christian, etc.
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy.
I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over."
But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault.
That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.
I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this.
I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.
You're saying the climate in the WH affects states legislatures. I suggested that Trump's reach may compel a legislature like Alabama's to do what they've done.
I think that's right. Trump has been stand off on abortion issues, as an example, and also obviously nominated two pro life judges. It stands to reason that the legislatures in LA, MO, and AL have taken this opportunity to pass some fairly draconian laws that seek to punish both doctor and woman. I would disagree with you pretty dramatically when you say that his policies, or tacit support of policies doesn't hurt any rational American. For a white male like me, one in his 40's, that's probably true. For a woman, a person under DACA, low income Americans, etc., I think there have been some pretty negative effects of his presidency.
I don't necessarily disagree with the part I bolded. The policies of every president affect people differently, and many are affected negatively. It's really the pompous wording of oftenreading's comment that made me respond. His/her comment was...
"We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump."
That's too blanket of a statement. People, like the groups you mentioned (throw LGBTQ in there as well), that may feel targeted or marginalized under the Trump administration, I can totally understand their unhappiness and wouldn't call that irrational. But for someone that doesn't belong to any of those groups, while I can see them being unhappy that Trump's the president because he's horrible, I don't see how they can be unhappy in general, like day-to-day, due to Trump being the president.
Don't take this the wrong way, but that's what empathy is, by definition. It's the ability to identify with another's situation. So while the migrant situation may not directly affect me, as an example, it's totally rational and humane to empathize with their situation and feel terrible about it. In fact, one could argue the inability or lack of empathy for the various groups have been harmed is inhumane, un-Christian, etc.
I know what empathy is, and while I probably don't come off as it, I'm very empathetic towards people that were dealt a way worse hand than I have (being a heterosexual, white, male from Pennsylvania). But when you say you feel terrible about the migrant situation for example. I'm sure you do. As many do. But you're not walking around suffering from depression over it. You see a report on the news, get angry because it angers you, but you're over it until the next time you're discussing it or reading/watching a report on it. Aren't you? Because I could be wrong about you specially. But I think in general, you can be empathetic towards people and understand what they're going through, without it hurting your own personal overall happiness. You know what I mean? I'm struggling to word this or give good examples. Like, going back to the migrant situation that you empathize with and feel terrible about. There's way worse situations all over the world. Children sold into sex slavery, etc. I know you emphasize and feel terrible for them too, as I do, but it's not affecting our day-to-day mood or happiness. If that makes any sense.
We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump.
Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general.
Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy.
I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over."
But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault.
That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.
I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this.
I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.
You're saying the climate in the WH affects states legislatures. I suggested that Trump's reach may compel a legislature like Alabama's to do what they've done.
I think that's right. Trump has been stand off on abortion issues, as an example, and also obviously nominated two pro life judges. It stands to reason that the legislatures in LA, MO, and AL have taken this opportunity to pass some fairly draconian laws that seek to punish both doctor and woman. I would disagree with you pretty dramatically when you say that his policies, or tacit support of policies doesn't hurt any rational American. For a white male like me, one in his 40's, that's probably true. For a woman, a person under DACA, low income Americans, etc., I think there have been some pretty negative effects of his presidency.
I don't necessarily disagree with the part I bolded. The policies of every president affect people differently, and many are affected negatively. It's really the pompous wording of oftenreading's comment that made me respond. His/her comment was...
"We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump."
That's too blanket of a statement. People, like the groups you mentioned (throw LGBTQ in there as well), that may feel targeted or marginalized under the Trump administration, I can totally understand their unhappiness and wouldn't call that irrational. But for someone that doesn't belong to any of those groups, while I can see them being unhappy that Trump's the president because he's horrible, I don't see how they can be unhappy in general, like day-to-day, due to Trump being the president.
Don't take this the wrong way, but that's what empathy is, by definition. It's the ability to identify with another's situation. So while the migrant situation may not directly affect me, as an example, it's totally rational and humane to empathize with their situation and feel terrible about it. In fact, one could argue the inability or lack of empathy for the various groups have been harmed is inhumane, un-Christian, etc.
I know what empathy is, and while I probably don't come off as it, I'm very empathetic towards people that were dealt a way worse hand than I have (being a heterosexual, white, male from Pennsylvania). But when you say you feel terrible about the migrant situation for example. I'm sure you do. As many do. But you're not walking around suffering from depression over it. You see a report on the news, get angry because it angers you, but you're over it until the next time you're discussing it or reading/watching a report on it. Aren't you? Because I could be wrong about you specially. But I think in general, you can be empathetic towards people and understand what they're going through, without it hurting your own personal overall happiness. You know what I mean? I'm struggling to word this or give good examples. Like, going back to the migrant situation that you empathize with and feel terrible about. There's way worse situations all over the world. Children sold into sex slavery, etc. I know you emphasize and feel terrible for them too, as I do, but it's not affecting our day-to-day mood or happiness. If that makes any sense.
It makes sense. And I guess it's a question of 'degrees' of sadness or unhappiness. Certainly I'm not in therapy due to Trump. If someone is, due to their empathy, then there are probably more deeply seeded issue than a GOP president. Trump's policies piss me off and make me wonder what happened to our republic. It makes me get involved and spur to action. Which is a bit different than sex slaves around the world. I can't do much about that, without leaving my family behind. So it affects me, but it doesn't destroy my world. So again, I think it's how each of you (you and often reading) are defining the emotions.
It makes sense. And I guess it's a question of 'degrees' of sadness or unhappiness. Certainly I'm not in therapy due to Trump. If someone is, due to their empathy, then there are probably more deeply seeded issue than a GOP president. Trump's policies piss me off and make me wonder what happened to our republic. It makes me get involved and spur to action. Which is a bit different than sex slaves around the world. I can't do much about that, without leaving my family behind. So it affects me, but it doesn't destroy my world. So again, I think it's how each of you (you and often reading) are defining the emotions.
The part I bolded is really what I was trying to drive at. I didn't want to mention her because she's just some random celebrity, but Chelsea Handler actually went into therapy after Trump was elected. She's an example of the type of irrational people I'm talking about, and I felt what oftenreading was driving at was that there are many people like this in America and that Trump is ruining lives simply by his existence. In fairness to oftenreading though, his/her comment may have been more of a prideful Canada comment (on Canada day) than a look down his/her nose at Americans who are "suffering" under Trump.
So you've gotten involved and spurred to action as a result of Trump's policies. That's good. How so?
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But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault.
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People who yearn for freedom and democracy might be unhappy with minority elitist rule.
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That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.
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I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.
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"We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump."
That's too blanket of a statement. People, like the groups you mentioned (throw LGBTQ in there as well), that may feel targeted or marginalized under the Trump administration, I can totally understand their unhappiness and wouldn't call that irrational. But for someone that doesn't belong to any of those groups, while I can see them being unhappy that Trump's the president because he's horrible, I don't see how they can be unhappy in general, like day-to-day, due to Trump being the president.
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So you've gotten involved and spurred to action as a result of Trump's policies. That's good. How so?
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