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    RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,147
    benjs said:
    I guess I’m the only one who thought this was a good move.  We don’t need war, and we don’t need people to die over a freaking drone.

    we need to impose more sanctions and squeeze them until their people revolt like Venezuela and get that terrorist govt out of there.  Iran is bad news and giving them $$ was an obviously weak and bad decision by our last leadership.  They're involved  in all kinds of ugly stuff over there, but war isn’t the answer.  Best solution is to sanction the shit out of them until desperation causes upheaval.
    While I agree with you about no war, your sanctions comment is selfish as hell. Talk to a Venezuelan today and ask how things are going for them. No human should be subjected to a life with the challenges they're encountering today - to make replicating Venezuelan conditions a goal is an inhumane pursuit, and hardly an upgrade over the current Iran.
    I hear you, no need to attack me as selfish.  Provide your solution, don’t attack someone else’s.  Sounds like you think we should just ignore it?  That’s a good idea until things get worse, and then what do we do then?  That regime is dangerous to the countries around it, and it’s own people.  
    The west could just get the hell out of the Middle East...we in NA do not need middle east oil...
    I think we all agree with this
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    benjs said:
    I guess I’m the only one who thought this was a good move.  We don’t need war, and we don’t need people to die over a freaking drone.

    we need to impose more sanctions and squeeze them until their people revolt like Venezuela and get that terrorist govt out of there.  Iran is bad news and giving them $$ was an obviously weak and bad decision by our last leadership.  They're involved  in all kinds of ugly stuff over there, but war isn’t the answer.  Best solution is to sanction the shit out of them until desperation causes upheaval.
    While I agree with you about no war, your sanctions comment is selfish as hell. Talk to a Venezuelan today and ask how things are going for them. No human should be subjected to a life with the challenges they're encountering today - to make replicating Venezuelan conditions a goal is an inhumane pursuit, and hardly an upgrade over the current Iran.
    I hear you, no need to attack me as selfish.  Provide your solution, don’t attack someone else’s.  Sounds like you think we should just ignore it?  That’s a good idea until things get worse, and then what do we do then?  That regime is dangerous to the countries around it, and it’s own people.  
    The west could just get the hell out of the Middle East...we in NA do not need middle east oil...
    I think we all agree with this
    We do not all agree.  Otherwise, the west would have been gone long ago...
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    RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,147
    benjs said:
    I guess I’m the only one who thought this was a good move.  We don’t need war, and we don’t need people to die over a freaking drone.

    we need to impose more sanctions and squeeze them until their people revolt like Venezuela and get that terrorist govt out of there.  Iran is bad news and giving them $$ was an obviously weak and bad decision by our last leadership.  They're involved  in all kinds of ugly stuff over there, but war isn’t the answer.  Best solution is to sanction the shit out of them until desperation causes upheaval.
    While I agree with you about no war, your sanctions comment is selfish as hell. Talk to a Venezuelan today and ask how things are going for them. No human should be subjected to a life with the challenges they're encountering today - to make replicating Venezuelan conditions a goal is an inhumane pursuit, and hardly an upgrade over the current Iran.
    I hear you, no need to attack me as selfish.  Provide your solution, don’t attack someone else’s.  Sounds like you think we should just ignore it?  That’s a good idea until things get worse, and then what do we do then?  That regime is dangerous to the countries around it, and it’s own people.  
    The west could just get the hell out of the Middle East...we in NA do not need middle east oil...
    I think we all agree with this
    We do not all agree.  Otherwise, the west would have been gone long ago...
    We’re doing the right thing though, at least in lessening our dependence on their oil. That was the first step.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    benjs said:
    I guess I’m the only one who thought this was a good move.  We don’t need war, and we don’t need people to die over a freaking drone.

    we need to impose more sanctions and squeeze them until their people revolt like Venezuela and get that terrorist govt out of there.  Iran is bad news and giving them $$ was an obviously weak and bad decision by our last leadership.  They're involved  in all kinds of ugly stuff over there, but war isn’t the answer.  Best solution is to sanction the shit out of them until desperation causes upheaval.
    While I agree with you about no war, your sanctions comment is selfish as hell. Talk to a Venezuelan today and ask how things are going for them. No human should be subjected to a life with the challenges they're encountering today - to make replicating Venezuelan conditions a goal is an inhumane pursuit, and hardly an upgrade over the current Iran.
    I hear you, no need to attack me as selfish.  Provide your solution, don’t attack someone else’s.  Sounds like you think we should just ignore it?  That’s a good idea until things get worse, and then what do we do then?  That regime is dangerous to the countries around it, and it’s own people.  
    The west could just get the hell out of the Middle East...we in NA do not need middle east oil...
    I think we all agree with this
    We do not all agree.  Otherwise, the west would have been gone long ago...
    We’re doing the right thing though, at least in lessening our dependence on their oil. That was the first step.
    You can't just let them be a nuclear power though.  That will de-stabilize the region in the near term and then be a threat to us and continental Europe within a few years after that.  This should be the primary objective and it's the very reason for the JCPOA.  Removing the economic interest is not the solution.
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    I don't buy that bullshit line anymore.  Iran is building a nuclear bomb with or without an agreement.  And it's not up to America to decide who gets the bomb or not.  And that region has been unstable as long as I can remember...caused mostly by the west...

    Just end ALL US sanction that hurt individuals anywhere in the world where...sanctions that target the countries citizenry is STUPID...and harmful and just creates hatred towards the US...
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    I don't buy that bullshit line anymore.  Iran is building a nuclear bomb with or without an agreement.  And it's not up to America to decide who gets the bomb or not.  And that region has been unstable as long as I can remember...caused mostly by the west...

    Just end ALL US sanction that hurt individuals anywhere in the world where...sanctions that target the countries citizenry is STUPID...and harmful and just creates hatred towards the US...
    I agree that sanctions move the population closer to the gov't and away from the west, but according to the enforcement agencies, Iran was in compliance, therefore sanctions were off.  Seems like it was working.  I disagree with you that we have no interest in trying to reduce proliferation.  I think our allies in SK, Japan and throughout SE Asia would be mortified if we took that position.  They would be in immediate and imminent danger.  
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,122
    Frozen assets?  That's a lot of klondike bars.
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    edited June 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    I don't buy that bullshit line anymore.  Iran is building a nuclear bomb with or without an agreement.  And it's not up to America to decide who gets the bomb or not.  And that region has been unstable as long as I can remember...caused mostly by the west...

    Just end ALL US sanction that hurt individuals anywhere in the world where...sanctions that target the countries citizenry is STUPID...and harmful and just creates hatred towards the US...
    I agree that sanctions move the population closer to the gov't and away from the west, but according to the enforcement agencies, Iran was in compliance, therefore sanctions were off.  Seems like it was working.  I disagree with you that we have no interest in trying to reduce proliferation.  I think our allies in SK, Japan and throughout SE Asia would be mortified if we took that position.  They would be in immediate and imminent danger.  
    Those countries have enough people and in some cases enough $$$ to defend them themselves.  I am always amazed that people are always willing to sacrifice other people's sons and daughters for other countries that can not get there together...


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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Exclusive: White House's Kushner unveils an economic portion of Middle East peace plan

    https://reut.rs/2IycH2w?fbclid=IwAR33u_WRQsw0D-54q5cZamKkI5-3ser_IzINVOoQ9Sj6bOklSS3YVCGvt3A

    The Trump administration hopes that other countries, principally wealthy Gulf states, and private investors, would foot much of the bill, Kushner told Reuters. 


    LOL...
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    mrussel1 said:
    I don't buy that bullshit line anymore.  Iran is building a nuclear bomb with or without an agreement.  And it's not up to America to decide who gets the bomb or not.  And that region has been unstable as long as I can remember...caused mostly by the west...

    Just end ALL US sanction that hurt individuals anywhere in the world where...sanctions that target the countries citizenry is STUPID...and harmful and just creates hatred towards the US...
    I agree that sanctions move the population closer to the gov't and away from the west, but according to the enforcement agencies, Iran was in compliance, therefore sanctions were off.  Seems like it was working.  I disagree with you that we have no interest in trying to reduce proliferation.  I think our allies in SK, Japan and throughout SE Asia would be mortified if we took that position.  They would be in immediate and imminent danger.  
    Those countries have enough people and in some cases enough $$$ to defend them themselves.  I am always amazed that people are always willing to sacrifice other people's sons and daughters for other countries that can not get there together...


    No,  Japan and SK have agreed to not go nuclear.  They could not defend themselves against a nuclear power like SK.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,595
    Exclusive: White House's Kushner unveils an economic portion of Middle East peace plan

    https://reut.rs/2IycH2w?fbclid=IwAR33u_WRQsw0D-54q5cZamKkI5-3ser_IzINVOoQ9Sj6bOklSS3YVCGvt3A

    The Trump administration hopes that other countries, principally wealthy Gulf states, and private investors, would foot much of the bill, Kushner told Reuters. 


    LOL...

    What’s Jared Dear Boy’s and Team Trump Treason’s financial contributions and I’m not talking tax dollars?
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Exclusive: White House's Kushner unveils an economic portion of Middle East peace plan

    https://reut.rs/2IycH2w?fbclid=IwAR33u_WRQsw0D-54q5cZamKkI5-3ser_IzINVOoQ9Sj6bOklSS3YVCGvt3A

    The Trump administration hopes that other countries, principally wealthy Gulf states, and private investors, would foot much of the bill, Kushner told Reuters. 


    LOL...

    What’s Jared Dear Boy’s and Team Trump Treason’s financial contributions and I’m not talking tax dollars?
    0 dollars is my guess...
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,595
    Yea, Team Trump Treason should get four more years. Brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy.

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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Yea, Team Trump Treason should get four more years. Brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy.

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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Don Trump's dressing room assault (I'd call it rape) needs to be the focus now.   
    The Dems should be in the lobby of the Manhattan prosecutor in fucking charge of those types of crimes.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,822
    edited June 2019
    ikiT said:
    Don Trump's dressing room assault (I'd call it rape) needs to be the focus now.   
    The Dems should be in the lobby of the Manhattan prosecutor in fucking charge of those types of crimes.
    It can’t really be the focus of anything.  First, I suspect the statute of limitations has long been in effect.

    Second, the Dems need to learn from Kavanaugh.  Particularly in older cases, the American people side overwhelmingly with the accused.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    OnWis97 said:
    ikiT said:
    Don Trump's dressing room assault (I'd call it rape) needs to be the focus now.   
    The Dems should be in the lobby of the Manhattan prosecutor in fucking charge of those types of crimes.
    It can’t really be the focus of anything.  First, I suspect the statue of limitations has long been in effect.

    Second, the Dems need to learn from Kavanaugh.  Particularly in older cases, the American people side overwhelmingly with the accused.
    BULLSHIT
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    It's not about LAW, it's about what's acceptable behavior.  This guy is such a lying POS and needs to be held accountable.  

    The time is now.
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    Fuckers
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,261
    edited June 2019
    ikiT said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ikiT said:
    Don Trump's dressing room assault (I'd call it rape) needs to be the focus now.   
    The Dems should be in the lobby of the Manhattan prosecutor in fucking charge of those types of crimes.
    It can’t really be the focus of anything.  First, I suspect the statue of limitations has long been in effect.

    Second, the Dems need to learn from Kavanaugh.  Particularly in older cases, the American people side overwhelmingly with the accused.
    BULLSHIT
    Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Tell that to Bill Cosby...
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,822
    ikiT said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ikiT said:
    Don Trump's dressing room assault (I'd call it rape) needs to be the focus now.   
    The Dems should be in the lobby of the Manhattan prosecutor in fucking charge of those types of crimes.
    It can’t really be the focus of anything.  First, I suspect the statute of limitations has long been in effect.

    Second, the Dems need to learn from Kavanaugh.  Particularly in older cases, the American people side overwhelmingly with the accused.
    BULLSHIT
    Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Tell that to Bill Cosby...
    At what point was the whole fiasco not a huge win for Kavanaugh?  Didn't a couple of people lose senate seats for not voting for Kavanaugh's confirmation?  Regular, middle-of-the road people think that the accuser is just as likely to be lying as telling the truth.

    Trump?  This story did not even make the front page of papers like the NYT. Rape culture is still a thing...a big thing.  It's the one crime where the accuser is the villain.  There is no way any political or legal ground can be gained on this story.  It's high-risk, no-reward.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,726
    OnWis97 said:
    ikiT said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ikiT said:
    Don Trump's dressing room assault (I'd call it rape) needs to be the focus now.   
    The Dems should be in the lobby of the Manhattan prosecutor in fucking charge of those types of crimes.
    It can’t really be the focus of anything.  First, I suspect the statute of limitations has long been in effect.

    Second, the Dems need to learn from Kavanaugh.  Particularly in older cases, the American people side overwhelmingly with the accused.
    BULLSHIT
    Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Tell that to Bill Cosby...
    At what point was the whole fiasco not a huge win for Kavanaugh?  Didn't a couple of people lose senate seats for not voting for Kavanaugh's confirmation?  Regular, middle-of-the road people think that the accuser is just as likely to be lying as telling the truth.

    Trump?  This story did not even make the front page of papers like the NYT. Rape culture is still a thing...a big thing.  It's the one crime where the accuser is the villain.  There is no way any political or legal ground can be gained on this story.  It's high-risk, no-reward.
    Well in the case of Kavanaugh, there wasn't a shred of evidence against him. I don't side with the accused like you idiotically suggest American people overwhelmingly do, but in this case, if I had to vote for or against his confirmation, I would have voted to confirm. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,261
    OnWis97 said:
    ikiT said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ikiT said:
    Don Trump's dressing room assault (I'd call it rape) needs to be the focus now.   
    The Dems should be in the lobby of the Manhattan prosecutor in fucking charge of those types of crimes.
    It can’t really be the focus of anything.  First, I suspect the statute of limitations has long been in effect.

    Second, the Dems need to learn from Kavanaugh.  Particularly in older cases, the American people side overwhelmingly with the accused.
    BULLSHIT
    Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Tell that to Bill Cosby...
    At what point was the whole fiasco not a huge win for Kavanaugh?  Didn't a couple of people lose senate seats for not voting for Kavanaugh's confirmation?  Regular, middle-of-the road people think that the accuser is just as likely to be lying as telling the truth.

    Trump?  This story did not even make the front page of papers like the NYT. Rape culture is still a thing...a big thing.  It's the one crime where the accuser is the villain.  There is no way any political or legal ground can be gained on this story.  It's high-risk, no-reward.
    Well in the case of Kavanaugh, there wasn't a shred of evidence against him. I don't side with the accused like you idiotically suggest American people overwhelmingly do, but in this case, if I had to vote for or against his confirmation, I would have voted to confirm. 
    He's citing one instance and then makes the assertion that the whole country overwhelmingly sides with the accused. That's just absurd. How many Me Too examples have we seen over the last few years that point to the exact opposite?
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,726
    OnWis97 said:
    ikiT said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ikiT said:
    Don Trump's dressing room assault (I'd call it rape) needs to be the focus now.   
    The Dems should be in the lobby of the Manhattan prosecutor in fucking charge of those types of crimes.
    It can’t really be the focus of anything.  First, I suspect the statute of limitations has long been in effect.

    Second, the Dems need to learn from Kavanaugh.  Particularly in older cases, the American people side overwhelmingly with the accused.
    BULLSHIT
    Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Tell that to Bill Cosby...
    At what point was the whole fiasco not a huge win for Kavanaugh?  Didn't a couple of people lose senate seats for not voting for Kavanaugh's confirmation?  Regular, middle-of-the road people think that the accuser is just as likely to be lying as telling the truth.

    Trump?  This story did not even make the front page of papers like the NYT. Rape culture is still a thing...a big thing.  It's the one crime where the accuser is the villain.  There is no way any political or legal ground can be gained on this story.  It's high-risk, no-reward.
    Well in the case of Kavanaugh, there wasn't a shred of evidence against him. I don't side with the accused like you idiotically suggest American people overwhelmingly do, but in this case, if I had to vote for or against his confirmation, I would have voted to confirm. 
    He's citing one instance and then makes the assertion that the whole country overwhelmingly sides with the accused. That's just absurd. How many Me Too examples have we seen over the last few years that point to the exact opposite?
    Exactly. And frankly, even in this one instance of Kavanaugh, who people sided with was pretty much based on political affiliation. So to suggest that people overwhelmingly sided with Kavanaugh is ridiculous. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,261
    Also----the majority of the public actually believed Blasey Ford over Kavanaugh anyway
    https://www.npr.org/2018/10/03/654054108/poll-more-believe-ford-than-kavanaugh-a-cultural-shift-from-1991

    -In choosing who is telling the truth, 45 percent said Ford is, up from 32 percent ahead of her Sept. 27 testimony. A third (33 percent) said Kavanaugh is the one telling the truth, up slightly from 26 percent before he testified but not as much of a rise as for Ford. 

    The daylong hearing appears to have been influential in helping people decide who was telling the truth. Before the hearing, 42 percent said they were unsure whom to believe. Now, just 22 percent are unsure.

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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,261
    edited June 2019
    OnWis97 said:
    ikiT said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ikiT said:
    Don Trump's dressing room assault (I'd call it rape) needs to be the focus now.   
    The Dems should be in the lobby of the Manhattan prosecutor in fucking charge of those types of crimes.
    It can’t really be the focus of anything.  First, I suspect the statute of limitations has long been in effect.

    Second, the Dems need to learn from Kavanaugh.  Particularly in older cases, the American people side overwhelmingly with the accused.
    BULLSHIT
    Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Tell that to Bill Cosby...
    At what point was the whole fiasco not a huge win for Kavanaugh?  Didn't a couple of people lose senate seats for not voting for Kavanaugh's confirmation?  Regular, middle-of-the road people think that the accuser is just as likely to be lying as telling the truth.

    Trump?  This story did not even make the front page of papers like the NYT. Rape culture is still a thing...a big thing.  It's the one crime where the accuser is the villain.  There is no way any political or legal ground can be gained on this story.  It's high-risk, no-reward.
    Dude....a republican controlled senate and a couple deep red states with vulnerable dems up for reelection clearly does not mean "the American people side overwhelmingly with the accused." If anything, it means a vocal minority sides with the accused. 
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,822
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    All right, let's try this...

    Does anyone really believe this latest accusation (the 15th? 20th? I lost count) is going to tip any scales?  Really?

    I think it's high-risk, low-reward.  This accusation was barely a blip on the news cycle.  People don't want to hear about an encounter in the 1990s that was never reported.   This can help him (if the Dems choose to push it) more than it can hurt him.  If "grab her by the pussy" didn't matter, this won't either.

    Who are we trying to influence...those either unlikely to vote or those who could vote either way.  I'd much prefer to go after him with the concentration camps than this (that said, given America's take on people who "break the law" that might backfire, too...but if so, then we know America is lost).

    I wonder how many Kobe fans I'm talking to right now.
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    OnWis97 said:
    All right, let's try this...

    Does anyone really believe this latest accusation (the 15th? 20th? I lost count) is going to tip any scales?  Really?

    I think it's high-risk, low-reward.  This accusation was barely a blip on the news cycle.  People don't want to hear about an encounter in the 1990s that was never reported.   This can help him (if the Dems choose to push it) more than it can hurt him.  If "grab her by the pussy" didn't matter, this won't either.

    Who are we trying to influence...those either unlikely to vote or those who could vote either way.  I'd much prefer to go after him with the concentration camps than this (that said, given America's take on people who "break the law" that might backfire, too...but if so, then we know America is lost).

    I wonder how many Kobe fans I'm talking to right now.
    Who cares? If this is something that happened to this person and they want the world to know, more power to her. 
    She’s not a member of the senate or something. She’s a citizen telling her story. 


    Your point about the whole country siding siding with the accused is pretty absurd. 

    And I’ve despised Kobe ever since playing him in middle school. 
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,822
    OnWis97 said:
    All right, let's try this...

    Does anyone really believe this latest accusation (the 15th? 20th? I lost count) is going to tip any scales?  Really?

    I think it's high-risk, low-reward.  This accusation was barely a blip on the news cycle.  People don't want to hear about an encounter in the 1990s that was never reported.   This can help him (if the Dems choose to push it) more than it can hurt him.  If "grab her by the pussy" didn't matter, this won't either.

    Who are we trying to influence...those either unlikely to vote or those who could vote either way.  I'd much prefer to go after him with the concentration camps than this (that said, given America's take on people who "break the law" that might backfire, too...but if so, then we know America is lost).

    I wonder how many Kobe fans I'm talking to right now.
    Who cares? If this is something that happened to this person and they want the world to know, more power to her. 
    She’s not a member of the senate or something. She’s a citizen telling her story. 


    Your point about the whole country siding siding with the accused is pretty absurd. 

    And I’ve despised Kobe ever since playing him in middle school. 
    I'm not questioning what she's doing...I originally responded to the assertion that the Dems should be at the Manhattan prosecutor's office.  Forgetting the statute of limitations (which I assume would kill any action from the courts), I truly don't think the Dems can get any mileage out of it.

    This some sums up my feeling on rape culture, our desire to assume the best in the accused, our blame of women, etc.  It's hard to deny that any accuser is less believed than an accuser of rape.  I was hoping for a bit more in the area of statistics, but rape culture is still a thing.  
    https://www.vox.com/2016/5/1/11538748/believe-rape-victims

    We're way into the weeds here, but my point is that I don't see the dems making any ground on this...if they try to, I hope I am wrong.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    edited June 2019
    OnWis97 said:
    ikiT said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ikiT said:
    Don Trump's dressing room assault (I'd call it rape) needs to be the focus now.   
    The Dems should be in the lobby of the Manhattan prosecutor in fucking charge of those types of crimes.
    It can’t really be the focus of anything.  First, I suspect the statute of limitations has long been in effect.

    Second, the Dems need to learn from Kavanaugh.  Particularly in older cases, the American people side overwhelmingly with the accused.
    BULLSHIT
    Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Tell that to Bill Cosby...
    At what point was the whole fiasco not a huge win for Kavanaugh?  Didn't a couple of people lose senate seats for not voting for Kavanaugh's confirmation?  Regular, middle-of-the road people think that the accuser is just as likely to be lying as telling the truth.

    Trump?  This story did not even make the front page of papers like the NYT. Rape culture is still a thing...a big thing.  It's the one crime where the accuser is the villain.  There is no way any political or legal ground can be gained on this story.  It's high-risk, no-reward.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/10/02/brett-kavanaugh-hillary-clinton-laughs-political-hit-claim/1501236002/

    He's a royal fucking douche bag.  A prep school puke who had the world shovel fed to him.   So did Kobe.    Ucccchhhh.

    Your claim to the majority opinion is challenged as far as all the raping is concerned.  Nothing personal, but come on, bro.
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