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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,279
    Kat said:
    If he thinks he looks strong being all cocked and loaded and then backing down, he's got another think coming. It looks weak and imho, stupid. Putin must be very happy today at the further descent of the U.S. 
    No more wars.
    I mean, for what? A piece of machinery?

    no...for a reelection bid
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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    Yes, he might try it for a bid but I'm thinking that America is more tired of middle east wars, or any wars, and don't want another one. We know whose sons and daughters will have to fight it and the military personnel coming home are too likely to commit suicide these days. If that's what thug is pushing, I'm thinking his presidency is nearing the end and hallelujah on that.
    Falling down,...not staying down
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    I don't look the likes of this Iran situation at all.  Someone seems like he's in way over his head.  

    #ITMF
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    gettin' played like a poker chip...
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,279
    Kat said:
    Yes, he might try it for a bid but I'm thinking that America is more tired of middle east wars, or any wars, and don't want another one. We know whose sons and daughters will have to fight it and the military personnel coming home are too likely to commit suicide these days. If that's what thug is pushing, I'm thinking his presidency is nearing the end and hallelujah on that.
    I think it would backfire on him too. Had he stayed in the nuclear deal, we wouldn't be having any of these issues with Iran right now. Self inflicted wound...
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    Kat said:
    Yes, he might try it for a bid but I'm thinking that America is more tired of middle east wars, or any wars, and don't want another one. We know whose sons and daughters will have to fight it and the military personnel coming home are too likely to commit suicide these days. If that's what thug is pushing, I'm thinking his presidency is nearing the end and hallelujah on that.
    I think it would backfire on him too. Had he stayed in the nuclear deal, we wouldn't be having any of these issues with Iran right now. Self inflicted wound...
    100%. And he would sign that deal for NK in one second flat 
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
    Kat said:
    Yes, he might try it for a bid but I'm thinking that America is more tired of middle east wars, or any wars, and don't want another one. We know whose sons and daughters will have to fight it and the military personnel coming home are too likely to commit suicide these days. If that's what thug is pushing, I'm thinking his presidency is nearing the end and hallelujah on that.
    I think it would backfire on him too. Had he stayed in the nuclear deal, we wouldn't be having any of these issues with Iran right now. Self inflicted wound...
    Yes.

    ikiT said:
    I don't look the likes of this Iran situation at all.  Someone seems like he's in way over his head.  

    #ITMF
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    Welcome to the new normal. What’s next? Beat downs out back of the WH?

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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Welcome to the new normal. What’s next? Beat downs out back of the WH?

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    I'm 53 years old. I've been a photographer since 1995.  It's all I've ever been good at, and all I ever wanted to do. I'd challenge that out shape POS to a fistfight right then and there.  It's going down.  He's not as tall as he says he is.

    Fuck him and his letter from his boyfriend.   
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    ikiT said:
    Welcome to the new normal. What’s next? Beat downs out back of the WH?

    https://apple.news/AlMTirhrpT2GS4XurmD-Wrw
    I'm 53 years old. I've been a photographer since 1995.  It's all I've ever been good at, and all I ever wanted to do. I'd challenge that out shape POS to a fistfight right then and there.  It's going down.  He's not as tall as he says he is.

    Fuck him and his letter from his boyfriend.   
    I’m not one to advocate for physical violence but something tells me that if someone, somewhere, at some point in Team Trump Treason’s pathetic life had wound up and popped him one, went completely berserk, perhaps, and clawed up his ruddy, soft, orange skin on his face and neck, maybe one of the 17 women that he sexually assaulted or one of those contractors or students he ripped off, we wouldn’t be where we are today.                                
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    edited June 2019
    military school...HAH!.  

    Act like a man.  A decent fucking person.  For 5 goddamn seconds.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    ikiT said:
    military school...HAH!.  

    Act like a man.  A decent fucking person.  For 5 goddamn seconds.
    Wouldn’t one of the things they’d teach you in military school and that you would know if you were smarter than all of your generals, is that common language, using the same terminology and communicating clearly and concisely is important so that misunderstandings during times of conflict and stress are less likely to occur and you don’t kill or maim friendlies? Team Trump Treason couldn’t even refer to the drone without calling it a plane or “whatever you want to call it” in a press interview. Imagine that brilliance in the situ room with things developing hot and heavy as it’s live streamed and 5-10 generals demanding a decision on 6 or 7 things happening? Like the raid on Bin Laden. Brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy.
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,114
    ^TREASON WITHOUT REASON!
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    RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,011
    "We didn't have a man or women in the drone, we had nobody in the drone." 

    This man is such a fucking idiot. He opens his mouth and stupid just pours out.
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    Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Commander and Chief Trump.
    I feel like yrs. worth of American foreign and diplomatic policy are being flushed down the golden toilet. What do I know?
    I know the look on the Dear Leaders face in this photo is fucking hilarious.

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    Hi! said:
    Commander and Chief Trump.
    I feel like yrs. worth of American foreign and diplomatic policy are being flushed down the golden toilet. What do I know?
    I know the look on the Dear Leaders face in this photo is fucking hilarious.
    Does anyone else think Team Trump Treason is wearing one of those styrofoam hulk arms under that suit? Look at the bulk from elbow to shoulder in the flex of the salute. What a fucking weak shell of a man.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    And Little Rocket Man is thinking lay off the macs, Big Mac.
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    Ice, Ice Baby!
    This ought to go over well. Some people are into this shit. Is this unprecedented? Seems a little over the top to me. 
    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d0d2297e4b0a39418621c41

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    Hi! said:
    Ice, Ice Baby!
    This ought to go over well. Some people are into this shit. Is this unprecedented? Seems a little over the top to me. 
    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d0d2297e4b0a39418621c41
    Yo! Get your hood and torch, yo! Maybe ride a horse like the EPA, Interior and Roy Moore fella. Hey! Maybe Unsung can let us know if there are any constitutional violations in the government’s actions? Anyone get Randy Paul’s reaction to the news? You couldn’t make out his muffled response to the questions? Was because of the robe or the ribs? 
     
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    Hi! said:
    Ice, Ice Baby!
    This ought to go over well. Some people are into this shit. Is this unprecedented? Seems a little over the top to me. 
    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d0d2297e4b0a39418621c41
    Yo! Get your hood and torch, yo! Maybe ride a horse like the EPA, Interior and Roy Moore fella. Hey! Maybe Unsung can let us know if there are any constitutional violations in the government’s actions? Anyone get Randy Paul’s reaction to the news? You couldn’t make out his muffled response to the questions? Was because of the robe or the ribs? 
     
    That reminds me, I did want to go to old navy this weekend and get some khaki shorts. 

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    Hi! said:
    Hi! said:
    Ice, Ice Baby!
    This ought to go over well. Some people are into this shit. Is this unprecedented? Seems a little over the top to me. 
    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d0d2297e4b0a39418621c41
    Yo! Get your hood and torch, yo! Maybe ride a horse like the EPA, Interior and Roy Moore fella. Hey! Maybe Unsung can let us know if there are any constitutional violations in the government’s actions? Anyone get Randy Paul’s reaction to the news? You couldn’t make out his muffled response to the questions? Was because of the robe or the ribs? 
     
    That reminds me, I did want to go to old navy this weekend and get some khaki shorts. 
    And a polo shirt too? Pop the collar? They got tiki torches too? Lyrics to the chant? Let us know if there’s a sale, will ya?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    Where’s Ivanka, yo? Jared Dear Boy? Jr.? Eric? Okay, mmmmmmelania? Wait! They were all on the drone, or whatever you want to call it? Opo, camo, hows that full metal Jacket?
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    RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,148
    I guess I’m the only one who thought this was a good move.  We don’t need war, and we don’t need people to die over a freaking drone.

    we need to impose more sanctions and squeeze them until their people revolt like Venezuela and get that terrorist govt out of there.  Iran is bad news and giving them $$ was an obviously weak and bad decision by our last leadership.  They're involved  in all kinds of ugly stuff over there, but war isn’t the answer.  Best solution is to sanction the shit out of them until desperation causes upheaval.
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,938
    I guess I’m the only one who thought this was a good move.  We don’t need war, and we don’t need people to die over a freaking drone.

    we need to impose more sanctions and squeeze them until their people revolt like Venezuela and get that terrorist govt out of there.  Iran is bad news and giving them $$ was an obviously weak and bad decision by our last leadership.  They're involved  in all kinds of ugly stuff over there, but war isn’t the answer.  Best solution is to sanction the shit out of them until desperation causes upheaval.
    While I agree with you about no war, your sanctions comment is selfish as hell. Talk to a Venezuelan today and ask how things are going for them. No human should be subjected to a life with the challenges they're encountering today - to make replicating Venezuelan conditions a goal is an inhumane pursuit, and hardly an upgrade over the current Iran.
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    RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,148
    benjs said:
    I guess I’m the only one who thought this was a good move.  We don’t need war, and we don’t need people to die over a freaking drone.

    we need to impose more sanctions and squeeze them until their people revolt like Venezuela and get that terrorist govt out of there.  Iran is bad news and giving them $$ was an obviously weak and bad decision by our last leadership.  They're involved  in all kinds of ugly stuff over there, but war isn’t the answer.  Best solution is to sanction the shit out of them until desperation causes upheaval.
    While I agree with you about no war, your sanctions comment is selfish as hell. Talk to a Venezuelan today and ask how things are going for them. No human should be subjected to a life with the challenges they're encountering today - to make replicating Venezuelan conditions a goal is an inhumane pursuit, and hardly an upgrade over the current Iran.
    I hear you, no need to attack me as selfish.  Provide your solution, don’t attack someone else’s.  Sounds like you think we should just ignore it?  That’s a good idea until things get worse, and then what do we do then?  That regime is dangerous to the countries around it, and it’s own people.  
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    benjs said:
    I guess I’m the only one who thought this was a good move.  We don’t need war, and we don’t need people to die over a freaking drone.

    we need to impose more sanctions and squeeze them until their people revolt like Venezuela and get that terrorist govt out of there.  Iran is bad news and giving them $$ was an obviously weak and bad decision by our last leadership.  They're involved  in all kinds of ugly stuff over there, but war isn’t the answer.  Best solution is to sanction the shit out of them until desperation causes upheaval.
    While I agree with you about no war, your sanctions comment is selfish as hell. Talk to a Venezuelan today and ask how things are going for them. No human should be subjected to a life with the challenges they're encountering today - to make replicating Venezuelan conditions a goal is an inhumane pursuit, and hardly an upgrade over the current Iran.
    I hear you, no need to attack me as selfish.  Provide your solution, don’t attack someone else’s.  Sounds like you think we should just ignore it?  That’s a good idea until things get worse, and then what do we do then?  That regime is dangerous to the countries around it, and it’s own people.  
    We didn't give them money, we released frozen assets.  The JCPOA was working and they were in compliance, until Trump pulled out of the deal.  And you know damn well he only left the deal because it was Obama's.  Trump would (rightly) do anything to get that same deal with NK, but there's no chance of that.  This whole situation was precipitated by our administration.  He created the crisis.
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    RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,148
    mrussel1 said:
    benjs said:
    I guess I’m the only one who thought this was a good move.  We don’t need war, and we don’t need people to die over a freaking drone.

    we need to impose more sanctions and squeeze them until their people revolt like Venezuela and get that terrorist govt out of there.  Iran is bad news and giving them $$ was an obviously weak and bad decision by our last leadership.  They're involved  in all kinds of ugly stuff over there, but war isn’t the answer.  Best solution is to sanction the shit out of them until desperation causes upheaval.
    While I agree with you about no war, your sanctions comment is selfish as hell. Talk to a Venezuelan today and ask how things are going for them. No human should be subjected to a life with the challenges they're encountering today - to make replicating Venezuelan conditions a goal is an inhumane pursuit, and hardly an upgrade over the current Iran.
    I hear you, no need to attack me as selfish.  Provide your solution, don’t attack someone else’s.  Sounds like you think we should just ignore it?  That’s a good idea until things get worse, and then what do we do then?  That regime is dangerous to the countries around it, and it’s own people.  
    We didn't give them money, we released frozen assets.  The JCPOA was working and they were in compliance, until Trump pulled out of the deal.  And you know damn well he only left the deal because it was Obama's.  Trump would (rightly) do anything to get that same deal with NK, but there's no chance of that.  This whole situation was precipitated by our administration.  He created the crisis.
    No, you don’t release frozen assets to tyrannical govts, because they’ll use it in the wrong ways. That was a pay off to push the inevitable further down the line and appease them.  The whole deal was ya just allowing and ok-ing their poor behaviors.  They’re being punished already by sanctions, but to those that say we shouldn’t punish more are silly, you don’t let your kid behave poorly, you take away their phone.  You need to put down a punishment or you’re walked all over.  Avoiding military conflict is the most important thing, and I don’t think trump is a war guy, so that’s good.  Our real option is more sanctions, get other countries to join in, and squeeze them until they behave.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    mrussel1 said:
    benjs said:
    I guess I’m the only one who thought this was a good move.  We don’t need war, and we don’t need people to die over a freaking drone.

    we need to impose more sanctions and squeeze them until their people revolt like Venezuela and get that terrorist govt out of there.  Iran is bad news and giving them $$ was an obviously weak and bad decision by our last leadership.  They're involved  in all kinds of ugly stuff over there, but war isn’t the answer.  Best solution is to sanction the shit out of them until desperation causes upheaval.
    While I agree with you about no war, your sanctions comment is selfish as hell. Talk to a Venezuelan today and ask how things are going for them. No human should be subjected to a life with the challenges they're encountering today - to make replicating Venezuelan conditions a goal is an inhumane pursuit, and hardly an upgrade over the current Iran.
    I hear you, no need to attack me as selfish.  Provide your solution, don’t attack someone else’s.  Sounds like you think we should just ignore it?  That’s a good idea until things get worse, and then what do we do then?  That regime is dangerous to the countries around it, and it’s own people.  
    We didn't give them money, we released frozen assets.  The JCPOA was working and they were in compliance, until Trump pulled out of the deal.  And you know damn well he only left the deal because it was Obama's.  Trump would (rightly) do anything to get that same deal with NK, but there's no chance of that.  This whole situation was precipitated by our administration.  He created the crisis.
    No, you don’t release frozen assets to tyrannical govts, because they’ll use it in the wrong ways. That was a pay off to push the inevitable further down the line and appease them.  The whole deal was ya just allowing and ok-ing their poor behaviors.  They’re being punished already by sanctions, but to those that say we shouldn’t punish more are silly, you don’t let your kid behave poorly, you take away their phone.  You need to put down a punishment or you’re walked all over.  Avoiding military conflict is the most important thing, and I don’t think trump is a war guy, so that’s good.  Our real option is more sanctions, get other countries to join in, and squeeze them until they behave.
    I believe you're conflating two different issues.  State sponsored terrorism is a different problem than nuclear proliferation.  The administration's objective was to stop the enrichment process, which is a far greater danger to the region and the world than terrorist cells.  By any measure, until the day the treaty was ripped up, that was successful.  The term of the JCPOA was 15 years, so some people said, well that's kicking the can down the road.  And it was, but rationally.  The hope was to bring them into the first world by virtue of the old line revolutionary guard leaving power in the next 15 years, which they should as they are old.  In order to get a deal with someone, you have to give up something.  The removal of some sanctions and the return of frozen assets is a small price to pay for lack of uranium enrichment. 
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    benjs said:
    I guess I’m the only one who thought this was a good move.  We don’t need war, and we don’t need people to die over a freaking drone.

    we need to impose more sanctions and squeeze them until their people revolt like Venezuela and get that terrorist govt out of there.  Iran is bad news and giving them $$ was an obviously weak and bad decision by our last leadership.  They're involved  in all kinds of ugly stuff over there, but war isn’t the answer.  Best solution is to sanction the shit out of them until desperation causes upheaval.
    While I agree with you about no war, your sanctions comment is selfish as hell. Talk to a Venezuelan today and ask how things are going for them. No human should be subjected to a life with the challenges they're encountering today - to make replicating Venezuelan conditions a goal is an inhumane pursuit, and hardly an upgrade over the current Iran.
    I hear you, no need to attack me as selfish.  Provide your solution, don’t attack someone else’s.  Sounds like you think we should just ignore it?  That’s a good idea until things get worse, and then what do we do then?  That regime is dangerous to the countries around it, and it’s own people.  
    The west could just get the hell out of the Middle East...we in NA do not need middle east oil...
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