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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,195
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,201
    edited May 19

    Deutsche Bank Staff Saw Suspicious Activity in Trump and Kushner Accounts

    Anti-money laundering specialists at Deutsche Bank recommended in 2016 and 2017 that multiple transactions involving legal entities controlled by Donald J. Trump and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, be reported to a federal financial-crimes watchdog.

    The transactions, some of which involved Mr. Trump’s now-defunct foundation, set off alerts in a computer system designed to detect illicit activity, according to five current and former bank employees. Compliance staff members who then reviewed the transactions prepared so-called suspicious activity reports that they believed should be sent to a unit of the Treasury Department that polices financial crimes.

    But executives at Deutsche Bank, which has lent billions of dollars to the Trump and Kushner companies, rejected their employees’ advice. The reports were never filed with the government.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/19/business/deutsche-bank-trump-kushner.html


    I'm sure it's nothing to worry about.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,195
    dignin said:

    Deutsche Bank Staff Saw Suspicious Activity in Trump and Kushner Accounts

    Anti-money laundering specialists at Deutsche Bank recommended in 2016 and 2017 that multiple transactions involving legal entities controlled by Donald J. Trump and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, be reported to a federal financial-crimes watchdog.

    The transactions, some of which involved Mr. Trump’s now-defunct foundation, set off alerts in a computer system designed to detect illicit activity, according to five current and former bank employees. Compliance staff members who then reviewed the transactions prepared so-called suspicious activity reports that they believed should be sent to a unit of the Treasury Department that polices financial crimes.

    But executives at Deutsche Bank, which has lent billions of dollars to the Trump and Kushner companies, rejected their employees’ advice. The reports were never filed with the government.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/19/business/deutsche-bank-trump-kushner.html


    I'm sure it's nothing to worry about.

    “There was no collusion.”
    “I have nothing to hide.”
    “I don’t know any Russians.”
    “I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    “We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”
    “Fully exonerated.”
    “Essentially no collusion.”

    Follow the money from russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment.
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  • njnancynjnancy Northern New JerseyPosts: 4,680
    dignin said:

    Deutsche Bank Staff Saw Suspicious Activity in Trump and Kushner Accounts

    Anti-money laundering specialists at Deutsche Bank recommended in 2016 and 2017 that multiple transactions involving legal entities controlled by Donald J. Trump and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, be reported to a federal financial-crimes watchdog.

    The transactions, some of which involved Mr. Trump’s now-defunct foundation, set off alerts in a computer system designed to detect illicit activity, according to five current and former bank employees. Compliance staff members who then reviewed the transactions prepared so-called suspicious activity reports that they believed should be sent to a unit of the Treasury Department that polices financial crimes.

    But executives at Deutsche Bank, which has lent billions of dollars to the Trump and Kushner companies, rejected their employees’ advice. The reports were never filed with the government.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/19/business/deutsche-bank-trump-kushner.html


    I'm sure it's nothing to worry about.

    “There was no collusion.”
    “I have nothing to hide.”
    “I don’t know any Russians.”
    “I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    “We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”
    “Fully exonerated.”
    “Essentially no collusion.”

    Follow the money from russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment.

    jeffbr said:
    dignin said:

    Trump Administration to LGBT Couples: Your ‘Out of Wedlock’ Kids Aren’t Citizens

    Children of U.S. citizens are falling victim to a policy that de-recognizes their parents’ marriage—and strips them of their birthright citizenship.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/state-department-to-lgbt-married-couples-your-out-of-wedlock-kids-arent-citizens

    what the fuck???
    Outrageous and disgusting. Every day I get more pissed off at this administration.
    Man, everyone kept their mouth shut in 2016. 

    Obama couldn't get the freakin turtle man to issue a bipartisan statement on Russian activity, so it was not made public due to political considerations.

    Two mistresses were paid off right before the election and everyone kept quiet.

    Deutsche Bank has red flags pinging all over the place and the people at the top keep it quiet. 

    List could continue but...

    I'm going to go bang my head against a wall because only a*holes get breaks like this.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,195
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,195
    Pardon? War criminals? Really? Making it a little easier for summary executions? Is that what the Bernie butt hurt bros hope for? They. Don’t. Even. Know. Not a clue.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,895
    Watched a little Mayor Pete on Fox last night and wondered when the president was gonna tweet about it. And-boom. He already did two hours earlier. The most predictable two tweets in this history of social media. His act is so old


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    Such an idiot.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,201

    Trump May Be Preparing Pardons for Servicemen Accused of War Crimes



    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/18/us/trump-pardons-war-crimes.html

    Gallagher has allegedly murdered many innocent civilians, for sport.

    Is this really what the US stands for now?

    MAGA

    Navy SEALs Were Warned Against Reporting Their Chief for War Crimes


    Stabbing a defenseless teenage captive to death. Picking off a school-age girl and an old man from a sniper’s roost. Indiscriminately spraying neighborhoods with rockets and machine-gun fire.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/us/navy-seals-crimes-of-war.html?module=inline
  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 7,166
    So fucking weak.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 21,184
    It’s unreal that this man will get away with anything he was spot on when he stated , He could shoot someone on 5th ave and get away with it !
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 13,296
    Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels should do a political thriller together.
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  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 3,693
    'Democracy is at stake'

    Nicolle Wallace:  'Wow'


    Don't respond with 'wow'  Trump is shitting on everything and everybody.  Hold him responsible for fucks sake.  Do your job as a news person.

    Edward R. Murrow is rolling in his grave
  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 7,166
    Smellyman said:
    'Democracy is at stake'

    Nicolle Wallace:  'Wow'


    Don't respond with 'wow'  Trump is shitting on everything and everybody.  Hold him responsible for fucks sake.  Do your job as a news person.

    Edward R. Murrow is rolling in his grave
    THIS
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 7,166
    edited May 21
    dipshit in chief.   yesterday in PA.  Those financials are gonna be sweeet.

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,073
    ikiT said:
    Smellyman said:
    'Democracy is at stake'

    Nicolle Wallace:  'Wow'


    Don't respond with 'wow'  Trump is shitting on everything and everybody.  Hold him responsible for fucks sake.  Do your job as a news person.

    Edward R. Murrow is rolling in his grave
    THIS


    C'mon Nicole Wallace is a lifelong Republican who spurned her party and her family to speak against trump on a daily basis 

    And someone please tell Heilmann to put on his NIN shirt.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 13,296


    And someone please tell Heilmann to put on his NIN shirt.
    I remember that. Around the time Captain Marvel came out and her wearing a NIN shirt.

    #cringe
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,224
    edited May 21
    dignin said:

    Trump Administration to LGBT Couples: Your ‘Out of Wedlock’ Kids Aren’t Citizens

    Children of U.S. citizens are falling victim to a policy that de-recognizes their parents’ marriage—and strips them of their birthright citizenship.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/state-department-to-lgbt-married-couples-your-out-of-wedlock-kids-arent-citizens

    complete insanity 
    My president would never do such a thing. Anyone still doubting the nazi/fascist comparisons? Hey, but Team Trump Treason is okay with Pete’s husband being up on stage with him so it all works out. Even Steven.
    Who are you even talking to? You know I think those comparisons are fair, and that nearly everyone else here does to. This goes back to me comparing you to a talking-head in the other thread. You're preaching to people that don't even disagree. 
    :lol: Wow, is that ever not true. I have been absolutely raked through the coals on here multiple times for making those kinds of comparisons. The vast majority of the posters in here think that drawing those kinds of parallels are complete insanity, and that they are "a part of the problem", lol ... Of course, I think that thinking those comparisons are insane is the real insanity, lol.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,932
    edited May 21
    PJ_Soul said:
    dignin said:

    Trump Administration to LGBT Couples: Your ‘Out of Wedlock’ Kids Aren’t Citizens

    Children of U.S. citizens are falling victim to a policy that de-recognizes their parents’ marriage—and strips them of their birthright citizenship.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/state-department-to-lgbt-married-couples-your-out-of-wedlock-kids-arent-citizens

    complete insanity 
    My president would never do such a thing. Anyone still doubting the nazi/fascist comparisons? Hey, but Team Trump Treason is okay with Pete’s husband being up on stage with him so it all works out. Even Steven.
    Who are you even talking to? You know I think those comparisons are fair, and that nearly everyone else here does to. This goes back to me comparing you to a talking-head in the other thread. You're preaching to people that don't even disagree. 
     Wow, is that ever not true. I have been absolutely raked through the coals on here multiple times for making those kinds of comparisons. The vast majority of the posters in here think that drawing those kinds of parallels are complete insanity, and that they are "a part of the problem", lol ... Of course, I think that thinking those comparisons are insane is the real insanity, lol.
    You don't have the context of Halifax carrying over a back-and-forth we were having in one of the other Trump threads to this one so I'll gloss over that. 

    Now have you been raked over through the coals for comparing Trump and Trumpism to Hitler and Nazism? Because that seems like a reasonable comparison. Though I don't completely agree, it's fair. Or....do you compare people that voted for Trump to Nazis? Because that's completely different and is, to a degree, part of a problem.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,224
    edited May 21
    PJ_Soul said:
    dignin said:

    Trump Administration to LGBT Couples: Your ‘Out of Wedlock’ Kids Aren’t Citizens

    Children of U.S. citizens are falling victim to a policy that de-recognizes their parents’ marriage—and strips them of their birthright citizenship.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/state-department-to-lgbt-married-couples-your-out-of-wedlock-kids-arent-citizens

    complete insanity 
    My president would never do such a thing. Anyone still doubting the nazi/fascist comparisons? Hey, but Team Trump Treason is okay with Pete’s husband being up on stage with him so it all works out. Even Steven.
    Who are you even talking to? You know I think those comparisons are fair, and that nearly everyone else here does to. This goes back to me comparing you to a talking-head in the other thread. You're preaching to people that don't even disagree. 
     Wow, is that ever not true. I have been absolutely raked through the coals on here multiple times for making those kinds of comparisons. The vast majority of the posters in here think that drawing those kinds of parallels are complete insanity, and that they are "a part of the problem", lol ... Of course, I think that thinking those comparisons are insane is the real insanity, lol.
    You don't have the context of Halifax carrying over a back-and-forth we were having in one of the other Trump threads to this one so I'll gloss over that. 

    Now have you been raked over through the coals for comparing Trump and Trumpism to Hitler and Nazism? Because that seems like a reasonable comparison. Though I don't completely agree, it's fair. Or....do you compare people that voted for Trump to Nazis? Because that's completely different and is, to a degree, part of a problem.
    I have been complete lambasted repeatedly for specifically saying that there are some parallels between Trump and his admin and their political tactics and the rise of Nazism/fascism, and I have very clearly explained how, and have even posted many articles trying to explain why that's an apt parallel to be drawn, while of course making it clear that I didn't mean that Trump and Hitler are actually the same (they said they understood that, but didn't act like it!). I've literally been treated like I'm a fucking idiot for suggesting such a thing, over and over, for the past 2 years. So yes, I agree with you - it's a very, very fair and apt comparison. But I think people just have a knee-jerk emotional reaction to the comparison ... which is fucking dangerous as hell IMO. They are the ones that the line about how we have to remember to keep from making the same mistakes is for... and they reject it anyhow.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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    Please stop lambasting PJ_Soul. 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,932
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dignin said:

    Trump Administration to LGBT Couples: Your ‘Out of Wedlock’ Kids Aren’t Citizens

    Children of U.S. citizens are falling victim to a policy that de-recognizes their parents’ marriage—and strips them of their birthright citizenship.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/state-department-to-lgbt-married-couples-your-out-of-wedlock-kids-arent-citizens

    complete insanity 
    My president would never do such a thing. Anyone still doubting the nazi/fascist comparisons? Hey, but Team Trump Treason is okay with Pete’s husband being up on stage with him so it all works out. Even Steven.
    Who are you even talking to? You know I think those comparisons are fair, and that nearly everyone else here does to. This goes back to me comparing you to a talking-head in the other thread. You're preaching to people that don't even disagree. 
     Wow, is that ever not true. I have been absolutely raked through the coals on here multiple times for making those kinds of comparisons. The vast majority of the posters in here think that drawing those kinds of parallels are complete insanity, and that they are "a part of the problem", lol ... Of course, I think that thinking those comparisons are insane is the real insanity, lol.
    You don't have the context of Halifax carrying over a back-and-forth we were having in one of the other Trump threads to this one so I'll gloss over that. 

    Now have you been raked over through the coals for comparing Trump and Trumpism to Hitler and Nazism? Because that seems like a reasonable comparison. Though I don't completely agree, it's fair. Or....do you compare people that voted for Trump to Nazis? Because that's completely different and is, to a degree, part of a problem.
    I have been complete lambasted repeatedly for specifically saying that there are some parallels between Trump and his admin and their political tactics and the rise of Nazism/fascism, and I have very clearly explained how, and have even posted many articles trying to explain why that's an apt parallel to be drawn. I've literally been treated like I'm a fucking idiot for suggesting such a thing, over and over, for the past 2 years. So yes, I agree with you - it's a very, very fair and apt comparison. But I think people just have a knee-jerk emotional reaction to the comparison ... which is fucking dangerous as hell IMO. They are the ones that the line about how we have to remember to keep from making the same mistakes is for... and they reject it anyhow.

    I can see both sides of this. You can compare Trump to Hitler by suggesting Trump is insane and wants to be a dictator and I think most people would see your argument. On the other hand, the very mention of terms like "Hitler" or "Nazis" often evoke thoughts of the Holocaust. And as horrible as Trump is, you can't (or at least I can't) suspect he has any sinister motives like that. Now a retort to that would be to say that during Hitler's third year as Chancellor, people didn't suspect sinister motives like that either. Fair enough. But Trump doesn't want that. He wants to be beloved by everybody. Unfortunately for him, he's only beloved by the type of people that, prior to entering politics, he would never, ever give the time of day to. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 12,414
    It's a complicated argument, without rehashing the whole thing.  There are certainly parallels to Hitler 1933-1936/7 with how rhetoric is used, marginalizing the 'other', attacking the press, treating political opponents as enemies, etc.  It goes too far if looking at the whole Third Reich of '33 to '45 which was responsible for the death of 100 million people, 6 million Jews, countless Roma, etc.  
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,224
    To reject the parallels between Trump and his admin and their tactics now and the rise of fascism in Germany is to plain old ignore the very real dangers of what the Trump is up to, simply because Americans don't want to associate their "great" nation with Hitler. To me, that is just playing ostrich. So I really don't see both sides of it. And of course, as I said, made VERY clear that I wasn't talking about the holocaust. Hell, like I said, I have only drawn parallels between Trump and the RISE of fascism in Germany - the political tactics used during the 1920s and 30s - not with what Nazis did during WWII. I've explained all this ad nauseam. It makes no difference, lol.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 12,414
    PJ_Soul said:
    To reject the parallels between Trump and his admin and their tactics now and the rise of fascism in Germany is to plain old ignore the very real dangers of what the Trump is up to, simply because Americans don't want to associate their "great" nation with Hitler. To me, that is just playing ostrich. So I really don't see both sides of it. And of course, as I said, made VERY clear that I wasn't talking about the holocaust. Hell, like I said, I have only drawn parallels between Trump and the RISE of fascism in Germany - the political tactics used during the 1920s and 30s - not with what Nazis did during WWII. I've explained all this ad nauseam. It makes no difference, lol.
    If I remember, the heated argument was about ICE and the Einsatzgruppen.  I agree with the parallels of the rise, and I don't think it's the 'great' nation thing, rather that because he is just about the most evil man in human history, drawing those comparisons is really a delicate thing.  It's not about 'murica, it's about not watering down the evil of Hitler.  
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,224
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    mrussel1 said:
    It's a complicated argument, without rehashing the whole thing.  There are certainly parallels to Hitler 1933-1936/7 with how rhetoric is used, marginalizing the 'other', attacking the press, treating political opponents as enemies, etc.  It goes too far if looking at the whole Third Reich of '33 to '45 which was responsible for the death of 100 million people, 6 million Jews, countless Roma, etc.  
    It doesn't go too far from '33 to '39 actually. It's still apt at that point. That is exactly when the German government really started attacking and then controlling the press, and when they used all that fake propaganda to get citizens on board with them, and started treating foreigners and minorities as the enemy, as well as liberal intellectualism. There are plenty of parallels going on from '33 to the start of WWII. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 12,414
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    It's a complicated argument, without rehashing the whole thing.  There are certainly parallels to Hitler 1933-1936/7 with how rhetoric is used, marginalizing the 'other', attacking the press, treating political opponents as enemies, etc.  It goes too far if looking at the whole Third Reich of '33 to '45 which was responsible for the death of 100 million people, 6 million Jews, countless Roma, etc.  
    It doesn't go to far from '33 to '39 actually. It's still apt at that point. That is exactly when the German government really started attacking and then controlling the press, and when they used all that fake propaganda to get citizens on board with them, and started treating foreigners and minorities as the enemy. There are plenty of parallels going on from '33 to the start of WWII. 
    Well Hitler instigated Kristallnacht in 38.  So that's the lens I have on it when saying we're not there yet.  We haven't had a pogrom, and God willing never will.  We also haven't annexed any countries ala Sudentland, Rhineland, Austria.  But we're really just splitting hairs.  I think we both agree that post 39 is a different story, whereas peace time Germany has parallels.  
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