Latest tweet from the man, myth and legend President Trump.... They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story. Nice
Please show me the liberal version of the truthers and the birthers claiming the Scalise shooting was a right wing false flag event to take the news cycle off of Trump and/or get the repubs to finally go along with the Dems to seize your guns. The shooter? He doesn't exist as he's not in the phone book.
N The point I made is that the left is becoming intolerant too. You've made this about the leaders and elected officials and your arguments center around it. That's not what I said. For the left, the intolerance starts at the grass roots and it is starting to impose its own purity tests. You saw it here for yourself with the intolerance of Free before he got banned. That mindset is growing and it risks alienating the moderates in the party. Go to Huffington and read the article entitled "Bill Maher is s dangerous white man".
Alex Jones is entering the mainstream on the right. The man has the ear of the President, who is also a nutter. The President still has the support of the vast majority of republicans....both the leaders and voters.
It's a non-contest. The right has gone mainstream crazy. The left has nothing comparable.
Alex Jones is entering the mainstream on the right. The man has the ear of the President, who is also a nutter. The President still has the support of the vast majority of republicans....both the leaders and voters.
It's a non-contest. The right has gone mainstream crazy. The left has nothing comparable.
yet that doesn't make the left blameless nor does it mean that it isn't entering a dangerous period. Just because the left has nothing comparable doesn't mean it doesn't have issues. It does and we can't be blind to those issues. The Berkeley situation is a perfect example. You don't riot because you don't likeAnne Coulters message.
Alex Jones is entering the mainstream on the right. The man has the ear of the President, who is also a nutter. The President still has the support of the vast majority of republicans....both the leaders and voters.
It's a non-contest. The right has gone mainstream crazy. The left has nothing comparable.
yet that doesn't make the left blameless nor does it mean that it isn't entering a dangerous period. Just because the left has nothing comparable doesn't mean it doesn't have issues. It does and we can't be blind to those issues. The Berkeley situation is a perfect example. You don't riot because you don't likeAnne Coulters message.
Is any talking head on the left still talking about Berkeley? It's the right that won't let it go and if the roles were reversed would be using it as a battle cry. Nothing wrong with being intolerant of intolerance, which is what Anne coulter and her ilk are about, "whites only" should be okay. Fuck that. And her.
Please show me the liberal version of the truthers and the birthers claiming the Scalise shooting was a right wing false flag event to take the news cycle off of Trump and/or get the repubs to finally go along with the Dems to seize your guns. The shooter? He doesn't exist as he's not in the phone book.
N The point I made is that the left is becoming intolerant too. You've made this about the leaders and elected officials and your arguments center around it. That's not what I said. For the left, the intolerance starts at the grass roots and it is starting to impose its own purity tests. You saw it here for yourself with the intolerance of Free before he got banned. That mindset is growing and it risks alienating the moderates in the party. Go to Huffington and read the article entitled "Bill Maher is s dangerous white man".
You just proved my point. A leftist publication calling out a leftist television personality. Give me the rights equivalent of calling out David duke or Anne coulter or Alex Jones or rushbo or Glenn beck, remember him?
It happened. I don't care who talks about it and who doesn't. Think of this as your family and whether you're okay with it or not. Is it okay jyst because your neighbor is worse? Not in my book. I don't want my party to just not be as bad as the other one.
Please show me the liberal version of the truthers and the birthers claiming the Scalise shooting was a right wing false flag event to take the news cycle off of Trump and/or get the repubs to finally go along with the Dems to seize your guns. The shooter? He doesn't exist as he's not in the phone book.
N The point I made is that the left is becoming intolerant too. You've made this about the leaders and elected officials and your arguments center around it. That's not what I said. For the left, the intolerance starts at the grass roots and it is starting to impose its own purity tests. You saw it here for yourself with the intolerance of Free before he got banned. That mindset is growing and it risks alienating the moderates in the party. Go to Huffington and read the article entitled "Bill Maher is s dangerous white man".
You just proved my point. A leftist publication calling out a leftist television personality. Give me the rights equivalent of calling out David duke or Anne coulter or Alex Jones or rushbo or Glenn beck, remember him?
The article was about white men, withMaher being the example. I found it to be intolerant and unforgiving. That's the issue.
Alex Jones is entering the mainstream on the right. The man has the ear of the President, who is also a nutter. The President still has the support of the vast majority of republicans....both the leaders and voters.
It's a non-contest. The right has gone mainstream crazy. The left has nothing comparable.
yet that doesn't make the left blameless nor does it mean that it isn't entering a dangerous period. Just because the left has nothing comparable doesn't mean it doesn't have issues. It does and we can't be blind to those issues. The Berkeley situation is a perfect example. You don't riot because you don't likeAnne Coulters message.
Of course the left has it's issues. Always has and always will, and the sane left should always guard against the nuts. I don't know if I would count the Berkeley riots as a perfect example, they rioted against Milo and protested against Anne. From what I understand those were anarchists that rioted, not really a part of a left movement.
It happened. I don't care who talks about it and who doesn't. Think of this as your family and whether you're okay with it or not. Is it okay jyst because your neighbor is worse? Not in my book. I don't want my party to just not be as bad as the other one.
They're not even close in comparison. Gee, I haven't heard any of the right's condemnation of those idiotic anti-sharia protests that happened. Like sharia law is going to subvert the constitution in this country. WTO, yea that has real world consequences for people and the environment.
Not to politicize the issue, but Steve Scalise made his choices perfectly clear, and proudly so. Scalise has an A+ rating from the NRA and boasts about it. He voted to let the mentally ill buy guns. Mere weeks after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook that tore apart and killed 20 children, and the 6 adults trying to protect them, Scalise criticized VP Joe Biden for suggesting that the White House even pursue gun control. He was a vocal critic of Obama's suggestion to go after gun trafficking. He supported the bill to allow the sale of silencers and armor piercing bullets. WHY would anyone need a silencer?? Why armor piercing bullets?? THIS is madness. Please let's not be hypocritical and let those same R's insert an this tragedy narrative for a man who VOTED FOR EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM. Is his life more important than a single one of those first graders at Sandy Hook? No.
A lone gunman is just that. Lone. He speaks only for himself.
Mostly I agree. But in todays world I think it's a bit more complicated then that. Most of these "loan gunman" easily find people who agree with them on the internet. So there are plenty of others this crazy bully was speaking for unfortunately.
Please show me the liberal version of the truthers and the birthers claiming the Scalise shooting was a right wing false flag event to take the news cycle off of Trump and/or get the repubs to finally go along with the Dems to seize your guns. The shooter? He doesn't exist as he's not in the phone book.
N The point I made is that the left is becoming intolerant too. You've made this about the leaders and elected officials and your arguments center around it. That's not what I said. For the left, the intolerance starts at the grass roots and it is starting to impose its own purity tests. You saw it here for yourself with the intolerance of Free before he got banned. That mindset is growing and it risks alienating the moderates in the party. Go to Huffington and read the article entitled "Bill Maher is s dangerous white man".
The left has been intolerant. Both fringes have been for a while and continue to get worse.
When you kill people... especially in this fashion... something tells me they are crazy... unstable... sick... mentally ill... whatever you want to call it... just like the whacks that kill abortion doctors... they are crazy... plenty of pro lifers out there not killing anybody bro...
You don't see me shooting anybody do you? I doubt you're going to shoot Nancy Pelosi anytime soon?
When a guy gets fired and goes back and kills someone... do you think it's simply because he was fired? Or just maybe there are underlying causes... Stop being so simplistic brother... you're borderline trolling at this point
Oh really. You are practicing complete avoidance of some of the rhetoric that appears on this forum every single day. When Dylan Roof murdered a bunch of people his mental illness was the least of anybody's concerns...it was all about the confederate flag and generally the conservatives of South Carolina agreed. Sorry for making you uncomfortable.
It happened. I don't care who talks about it and who doesn't. Think of this as your family and whether you're okay with it or not. Is it okay jyst because your neighbor is worse? Not in my book. I don't want my party to just not be as bad as the other one.
They're not even close in comparison. Gee, I haven't heard any of the right's condemnation of those idiotic anti-sharia protests that happened. Like sharia law is going to subvert the constitution in this country. WTO, yea that has real world consequences for people and the environment.
Why do you insist on arguing about everything? All mrussel is stating is that the extreme left should be seen as an entity which needs work, alongside the extreme right. What's so harmful about that? Are the two mutually exclusive, regardless of the magnitude of the work needed on each side?
If you don't fix the party which would hold substantial power if Trump fails, then this cycle of rising dissent and susceptibility to a person who claims to hold the keys to 100% success will come yet again, and so far the trend isn't ideal. Nixon, Bush, Trump... who comes next if the DNC doesn't have their shit together and seize control?
Bipartisan demands for accountability must exist for a sustainable system in America. Ego shouldn't come into the picture, and if it means criticizing your own party so the other party can learn how to hold your own accountable, why not?
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Yes it is. As a moderator you should at a minimum know that.
Oh please. What, is it beyond your scope of perception to understand that the POTUS could be evil?? It's not like it's beyond the realm of reason, and all evidence points towards it. Also, I'm pretty sure moderators are allowed to have opinions too.
After today of all days are you still ok with using the term "evil"? It is that kind of talk that leads stupid people to do violent things in the name of justice.
Yes, I'm still okay with calling evil people evil. Nothing will ever change that. So I gather from your question that you think people should ignore evil or pretend it isn't there in order to pander to insane people so that they don't go on a shooting rampage? You act as though I (and Kat I suppose) are using the word evil as hyperbole. I don't know about Kat, but I wasn't. I think it is fucking ludicrous that you think people calling a spade a spade is to blame for a terrorist attack, lol.
At least you're honest about it...but sorry...that line of speaking is responsible and you are a contributor to the cesspool that radicalized this man. When someone is "evil" or "parallel hitler" then it becomes very easy for a normal person to act violently to stop that "evil".
Must be a good presidential day for Trump if BS has come out of AMT hiding.
I didn't realize I was in hiding but being a conservative maybe I should be?
I don't recall any libs on these forums spouting such hysteria when Gabriel Gifford was shot. Nothing like politicizing a tragedy for your personal ax grinding.
Politicizing a tragedy? The attack itself was political. It was politicized the minute that bernie bro pulled the trigger. To make the point that many on the left and right need to own up to their rhetoric is absolutely necessary. I have in fact been making this point for months and it is why i take offense to calling people "evil" or "parallel hitler" or suggesting that somebody who wants to repeal Obamacare "literally wants to kill people". Those who you disagree with do not need to be dehumanized. If this type of talk continues then these type of events will only continue. A country cannot last under these conditions.
Calling someone evil "evil" is not dehumanizing. Nor is calling someone out when some of what they do parallels some of what Hitler does. Sorry, your line of thinking here is fucked up. You are now trying to say that people shouldn't be honest about their viewpoints because they should be scared that the truth will make people do crazy shit. Where is your head at?? Again, when people say those things they are being serious, not hyperbolic. You know who is to blame, besides the shooter himself and/or his mental illness? NOT the people who state what they believe to be true about Trump. TRUMP is responsible. It is his actions that lead to people calling him out. If you think the people speaking their minds about Trump's DEPLORABLE behaviour are the cause of such an attack, and not Trump for his deplorable behaviour, then maybe you should give your head a shake. Sorry, but it actually makes me feel a little sick to the stomach to know that you want to blame the ones you're clearly blaming. SICK. You know what is the scariest thing about your statement? That there is a possibility that many others are thinking the same - that those who oppose Trump are responsible for this attack. Do you have any idea how totally hypocritical you are being with this idea of yours??
Yes. It is Trump's fault. Of course. That is what the shooter believed as well.
Alex Jones is entering the mainstream on the right. The man has the ear of the President, who is also a nutter. The President still has the support of the vast majority of republicans....both the leaders and voters.
It's a non-contest. The right has gone mainstream crazy. The left has nothing comparable.
yet that doesn't make the left blameless nor does it mean that it isn't entering a dangerous period. Just because the left has nothing comparable doesn't mean it doesn't have issues. It does and we can't be blind to those issues. The Berkeley situation is a perfect example. You don't riot because you don't likeAnne Coulters message.
Is any talking head on the left still talking about Berkeley? It's the right that won't let it go and if the roles were reversed would be using it as a battle cry. Nothing wrong with being intolerant of intolerance, which is what Anne coulter and her ilk are about, "whites only" should be okay. Fuck that. And her.
They aren't talking about Berkeley because they have moved on to Evergreen College.
When you kill people... especially in this fashion... something tells me they are crazy... unstable... sick... mentally ill... whatever you want to call it... just like the whacks that kill abortion doctors... they are crazy... plenty of pro lifers out there not killing anybody bro...
You don't see me shooting anybody do you? I doubt you're going to shoot Nancy Pelosi anytime soon?
When a guy gets fired and goes back and kills someone... do you think it's simply because he was fired? Or just maybe there are underlying causes... Stop being so simplistic brother... you're borderline trolling at this point
Oh really. You are practicing complete avoidance of some of the rhetoric that appears on this forum every single day. When Dylan Roof murdered a bunch of people his mental illness was the least of anybody's concerns...it was all about the confederate flag and generally the conservatives of South Carolina agreed. Sorry for making you uncomfortable.
Does Dylan Roof have any significant mental illness that would be a contributing factor to his shootings?
I disagree with throwing around terms like mental illness to explain any violent event. Often plain old anger and hate suffices.
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Please show me the liberal version of the truthers and the birthers claiming the Scalise shooting was a right wing false flag event to take the news cycle off of Trump and/or get the repubs to finally go along with the Dems to seize your guns. The shooter? He doesn't exist as he's not in the phone book.
N The point I made is that the left is becoming intolerant too. You've made this about the leaders and elected officials and your arguments center around it. That's not what I said. For the left, the intolerance starts at the grass roots and it is starting to impose its own purity tests. You saw it here for yourself with the intolerance of Free before he got banned. That mindset is growing and it risks alienating the moderates in the party. Go to Huffington and read the article entitled "Bill Maher is s dangerous white man".
The left has been intolerant. Both fringes have been for a while and continue to get worse.
The left is intolerant of going back to 1950's social values. Intolerant of making or enforcing laws regarding religions except for the freedom one gets to worship whatever they please, or nothing at all - and you don't get to impose your views based on those religions in the form of law no matter how much you hate abortion or LGBTs or whatever. And pretty damn intolerant of people who spew hatred or advocate for the two things listed.
Riots, and violence aren't OK. To say there's an inherent issue with the left because of what happened at Berkley, as someone mentioned before, is absolutely ridiculous. Coulter and Milo can speak whatever they want, wherever they want, but nowhere does it state they have the right to do it on a college campus. They don't have a right to not get protested against (peacefully). To say there's an inherent issue with the left because of yesterday's shooting is also stupid. That guy was a sick individual and should never have been able to own a gun given his prior record. To say there's an inherent issue with gun laws, on the other hand, is an argument worth having.
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Alex Jones is entering the mainstream on the right. The man has the ear of the President, who is also a nutter. The President still has the support of the vast majority of republicans....both the leaders and voters.
It's a non-contest. The right has gone mainstream crazy. The left has nothing comparable.
yet that doesn't make the left blameless nor does it mean that it isn't entering a dangerous period. Just because the left has nothing comparable doesn't mean it doesn't have issues. It does and we can't be blind to those issues. The Berkeley situation is a perfect example. You don't riot because you don't likeAnne Coulters message.
Is any talking head on the left still talking about Berkeley? It's the right that won't let it go and if the roles were reversed would be using it as a battle cry. Nothing wrong with being intolerant of intolerance, which is what Anne coulter and her ilk are about, "whites only" should be okay. Fuck that. And her.
They aren't talking about Berkeley because they have moved on to Evergreen College.
Please let me know when Liberty University invites the President of Planned Parenthood or a pro-choice advocate to campus and speak.
It happened. I don't care who talks about it and who doesn't. Think of this as your family and whether you're okay with it or not. Is it okay jyst because your neighbor is worse? Not in my book. I don't want my party to just not be as bad as the other one.
They're not even close in comparison. Gee, I haven't heard any of the right's condemnation of those idiotic anti-sharia protests that happened. Like sharia law is going to subvert the constitution in this country. WTO, yea that has real world consequences for people and the environment.
Why do you insist on arguing about everything? All mrussel is stating is that the extreme left should be seen as an entity which needs work, alongside the extreme right. What's so harmful about that? Are the two mutually exclusive, regardless of the magnitude of the work needed on each side?
If you don't fix the party which would hold substantial power if Trump fails, then this cycle of rising dissent and susceptibility to a person who claims to hold the keys to 100% success will come yet again, and so far the trend isn't ideal. Nixon, Bush, Trump... who comes next if the DNC doesn't have their shit together and seize control?
Bipartisan demands for accountability must exist for a sustainable system in America. Ego shouldn't come into the picture, and if it means criticizing your own party so the other party can learn how to hold your own accountable, why not?
When Louis Farrakhan, for lack of a better comparison to Trump or maybe Anothny Weiner, becomes the Dems' presidential nominee, then your argument would hold water. I'm insisting the parties and their respective apparatuses are not comparable, not even close. I'm sick of tired of it always being the libs that have to move more toward the middle as the right continues, as evidenced by the last 40 years resulting Trump continues to move further right. Fuck that and its time they start singing a different tune. I'm sorry you don't see that. And there you go with your holier than thou why are you arguing statement. I'm disagreeing with mRussell vociferously. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen or stop reading the forum. Get over yourself.
Yes it is. As a moderator you should at a minimum know that.
Oh please. What, is it beyond your scope of perception to understand that the POTUS could be evil?? It's not like it's beyond the realm of reason, and all evidence points towards it. Also, I'm pretty sure moderators are allowed to have opinions too.
After today of all days are you still ok with using the term "evil"? It is that kind of talk that leads stupid people to do violent things in the name of justice.
Yes, I'm still okay with calling evil people evil. Nothing will ever change that. So I gather from your question that you think people should ignore evil or pretend it isn't there in order to pander to insane people so that they don't go on a shooting rampage? You act as though I (and Kat I suppose) are using the word evil as hyperbole. I don't know about Kat, but I wasn't. I think it is fucking ludicrous that you think people calling a spade a spade is to blame for a terrorist attack, lol.
At least you're honest about it...but sorry...that line of speaking is responsible and you are a contributor to the cesspool that radicalized this man. When someone is "evil" or "parallel hitler" then it becomes very easy for a normal person to act violently to stop that "evil".
There is certainly way too much division, and it goes both ways.... I will say though that the "Right" started it and also are the ones who have taken it too far, which is why we are here in the first place with a reality star sitting as POTUS.
There was your typical back and forth fights in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, but for the most part people worked together and so did politicians.
Bush was in office and had like an 85% approval rate on the heels of 911. The handling of the military action, and some other gaffes such as Katrina and tanking the economy on the back of deregulation brought on a lot of justified criticism. The Republicans couldnt even bring him out on the campaign trail.
Then Obama takes over, and Republicans felt the need to 'get even' and the criticism was there from day 1, even though, most of the time, there was nothing to criticize. He did a pretty good job and was dignified as President, even navigating an extremely partisan and venomous Republican congress.
Now we have Donald fucking Trump in there. He deserves criticism. People I know who are Republicans hated him until he got the nomination, and suddenly support him because he is on 'their team'. I also know R's who still are true and cant stand him. They have invented something called "fake news", which gives them license to deny any fact they please, and people buy in. That is scary. They deny science and progress. They are pushing an extreme-right agenda, in the face of a "mandate" of not even winning the popular vote. It is safe to say, most people do not want this swing in climate change, health care, planned parenthood, de-regulation, etc... Just show a little bit of moderation. His inauguration speech basically amounted to "neener-neener I won". He appears to have mental illness, which is also scary.
If this were John Kasich in there, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Romney.... and people and media were acting this way, sure... it is not good. Donald Trump is president though. It makes our country an international disgrace.
The far left is just as dangerous as the far right. I know that's trite but it plays out over and over. The left is trying to eat its own with Bill Maher as we speak. It's intolerant in its demand for tolerance. Something has to change and we need to own it on both sides.
Give me the left's equivalent of Reagan's location of an announcement to run for president location, please?
We're not talking about 1979 and Selma.
No, but we are talking about Philadelphia, Mississippi and how one side since 1980 has used divisiveness and dog whistles, particularly the demonization of the other side to whip up fear and anger in their base with sometimes violent rhetoric.
The far left is just as dangerous as the far right. I know that's trite but it plays out over and over. The left is trying to eat its own with Bill Maher as we speak. It's intolerant in its demand for tolerance. Something has to change and we need to own it on both sides.
Give me the left's equivalent of Reagan's location of an announcement to run for president location, please?
We're not talking about 1979 and Selma.
No, but we are talking about Philadelphia, Mississippi and how one side since 1980 has used divisiveness and dog whistles, particularly the demonization of the other side to whip up fear and anger in their base with sometimes violent rhetoric.
Yes it is. As a moderator you should at a minimum know that.
Oh please. What, is it beyond your scope of perception to understand that the POTUS could be evil?? It's not like it's beyond the realm of reason, and all evidence points towards it. Also, I'm pretty sure moderators are allowed to have opinions too.
After today of all days are you still ok with using the term "evil"? It is that kind of talk that leads stupid people to do violent things in the name of justice.
Yes, I'm still okay with calling evil people evil. Nothing will ever change that. So I gather from your question that you think people should ignore evil or pretend it isn't there in order to pander to insane people so that they don't go on a shooting rampage? You act as though I (and Kat I suppose) are using the word evil as hyperbole. I don't know about Kat, but I wasn't. I think it is fucking ludicrous that you think people calling a spade a spade is to blame for a terrorist attack, lol.
At least you're honest about it...but sorry...that line of speaking is responsible and you are a contributor to the cesspool that radicalized this man. When someone is "evil" or "parallel hitler" then it becomes very easy for a normal person to act violently to stop that "evil".
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The point I made is that the left is becoming intolerant too. You've made this about the leaders and elected officials and your arguments center around it. That's not what I said. For the left, the intolerance starts at the grass roots and it is starting to impose its own purity tests. You saw it here for yourself with the intolerance of Free before he got banned. That mindset is growing and it risks alienating the moderates in the party. Go to Huffington and read the article entitled "Bill Maher is s dangerous white man".
It's a non-contest. The right has gone mainstream crazy. The left has nothing comparable.
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If you don't fix the party which would hold substantial power if Trump fails, then this cycle of rising dissent and susceptibility to a person who claims to hold the keys to 100% success will come yet again, and so far the trend isn't ideal. Nixon, Bush, Trump... who comes next if the DNC doesn't have their shit together and seize control?
Bipartisan demands for accountability must exist for a sustainable system in America. Ego shouldn't come into the picture, and if it means criticizing your own party so the other party can learn how to hold your own accountable, why not?
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Yes. It is Trump's fault. Of course. That is what the shooter believed as well.
Does Dylan Roof have any significant mental illness that would be a contributing factor to his shootings?
I disagree with throwing around terms like mental illness to explain any violent event. Often plain old anger and hate suffices.
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There was your typical back and forth fights in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, but for the most part people worked together and so did politicians.
Bush was in office and had like an 85% approval rate on the heels of 911. The handling of the military action, and some other gaffes such as Katrina and tanking the economy on the back of deregulation brought on a lot of justified criticism. The Republicans couldnt even bring him out on the campaign trail.
Then Obama takes over, and Republicans felt the need to 'get even' and the criticism was there from day 1, even though, most of the time, there was nothing to criticize. He did a pretty good job and was dignified as President, even navigating an extremely partisan and venomous Republican congress.
Now we have Donald fucking Trump in there. He deserves criticism. People I know who are Republicans hated him until he got the nomination, and suddenly support him because he is on 'their team'. I also know R's who still are true and cant stand him. They have invented something called "fake news", which gives them license to deny any fact they please, and people buy in. That is scary. They deny science and progress. They are pushing an extreme-right agenda, in the face of a "mandate" of not even winning the popular vote. It is safe to say, most people do not want this swing in climate change, health care, planned parenthood, de-regulation, etc... Just show a little bit of moderation. His inauguration speech basically amounted to "neener-neener I won". He appears to have mental illness, which is also scary.
If this were John Kasich in there, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Romney.... and people and media were acting this way, sure... it is not good. Donald Trump is president though. It makes our country an international disgrace.
How soon we forget. This behaviour is party sanctioned.
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