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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    MayDay10 said:
    BS44325 said:

    MayDay10 said:
    There is certainly way too much division, and it goes both ways....  I will say though that the "Right" started it and also are the ones who have taken it too far, which is why we are here in the first place with a reality star sitting as POTUS.

    There was your typical back and forth fights in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, but for the most part people worked together and so did politicians.

    Bush was in office and had like an 85% approval rate on the heels of 911.  The handling of the military action, and some other gaffes such as Katrina and tanking the economy on the back of deregulation brought on a lot of justified criticism.  The Republicans couldnt even bring him out on the campaign trail.

    Then Obama takes over, and Republicans felt the need to 'get even' and the criticism was there from day 1, even though, most of the time, there was nothing to criticize.  He did a pretty good job and was dignified as President, even navigating an extremely partisan and venomous Republican congress.  

    Now we have Donald fucking Trump in there.  He deserves criticism.  People I know who are Republicans hated him until he got the nomination, and suddenly support him because he is on 'their team'.  I also know R's who still are true and cant stand him.  They have invented something called "fake news", which gives them license to deny any fact they please, and people buy in.  That is scary.  They deny science and progress.  They are pushing an extreme-right agenda, in the face of a "mandate" of not even winning the popular vote.  It is safe to say, most people do not want this swing in climate change, health care, planned parenthood, de-regulation, etc...  Just show a little bit of moderation.  His inauguration speech basically amounted to "neener-neener I won".  He appears to have mental illness, which is also scary.

    If this were John Kasich in there, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Romney.... and people and media were acting this way, sure... it is not good.  Donald Trump is president though.  It makes our country an international disgrace.  
    I love how you gloss over Bush and Cheney being compared to Hitler...followed by McCain/Palin...followed by Romney/Ryan. Every conservative candidate since 2000 has been compared to hitler at some point, has been called a racist, has been accused of pushing granny over a cliff. This rhetoric extends down to the republican voter as well...the tea-party is labelled racist, the deplorable are labelled racist. This is done over and over again and not once do any of you demonstrate the self-awareness in realizing how destructive it is. Repealing and replacing Obamacare is not seen as an attempt to improve the system but is seen as stripping health care away and the literal killing of people. People who want to debate science are accused of "denying science"...the word denier is specifically chosen to compare it to holocaust denial which is understood to be an ultimate evil. Everything you have written is absolute nonsense and you really need to look in the mirror. No previous education secretary needed a 1 million dollar per month security detail but Betsy DeVos for some reason does.

    https://youtu.be/ci5kBbxthtg

    But who cares..."The right started it".


    its funny because I flipped on Rush for a minute on lunch... and he was associating the democrats with Nazi Germany, and also with Communism.  All because "they" constantly engage in Social warfare and also racial warfare and that is what those groups were made from.

    Im not a Democrat... but talk like this, from a mainstream host is completely inflammatory and uncalled for.  

    Were mainstream people making connections between McCain and Romney and Hitler?  If so, that isnt accurate.  Palin was a cartoon character, and for some reason the told McCain to prance around like a fool and talk about being a Maverick and shaking up "Warshington".  
    Psychological projection
    Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.  

    Blame Shifting
    See also: Buck passing
    Buck passing, or passing the buck, is the act of attributing to another person or group one's own responsibility. It is often used to refer to a strategy in power politics whereby a state tries to get another state to deter or possibly fight an aggressor state while it remains on the sidelines.

    Rush & tRump are like the IMAX version of projectors
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    MayDay10 said:
    There is certainly way too much division, and it goes both ways....  I will say though that the "Right" started it and also are the ones who have taken it too far, which is why we are here in the first place with a reality star sitting as POTUS.

    There was your typical back and forth fights in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, but for the most part people worked together and so did politicians.

    Bush was in office and had like an 85% approval rate on the heels of 911.  The handling of the military action, and some other gaffes such as Katrina and tanking the economy on the back of deregulation brought on a lot of justified criticism.  The Republicans couldnt even bring him out on the campaign trail.

    Then Obama takes over, and Republicans felt the need to 'get even' and the criticism was there from day 1, even though, most of the time, there was nothing to criticize.  He did a pretty good job and was dignified as President, even navigating an extremely partisan and venomous Republican congress.  

    Now we have Donald fucking Trump in there.  He deserves criticism.  People I know who are Republicans hated him until he got the nomination, and suddenly support him because he is on 'their team'.  I also know R's who still are true and cant stand him.  They have invented something called "fake news", which gives them license to deny any fact they please, and people buy in.  That is scary.  They deny science and progress.  They are pushing an extreme-right agenda, in the face of a "mandate" of not even winning the popular vote.  It is safe to say, most people do not want this swing in climate change, health care, planned parenthood, de-regulation, etc...  Just show a little bit of moderation.  His inauguration speech basically amounted to "neener-neener I won".  He appears to have mental illness, which is also scary.

    If this were John Kasich in there, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Romney.... and people and media were acting this way, sure... it is not good.  Donald Trump is president though.  It makes our country an international disgrace.  
    I love how you gloss over Bush and Cheney being compared to Hitler...followed by McCain/Palin...followed by Romney/Ryan. Every conservative candidate since 2000 has been compared to hitler at some point, has been called a racist, has been accused of pushing granny over a cliff. This rhetoric extends down to the republican voter as well...the tea-party is labelled racist, the deplorable are labelled racist. This is done over and over again and not once do any of you demonstrate the self-awareness in realizing how destructive it is. Repealing and replacing Obamacare is not seen as an attempt to improve the system but is seen as stripping health care away and the literal killing of people. People who want to debate science are accused of "denying science"...the word denier is specifically chosen to compare it to holocaust denial which is understood to be an ultimate evil. Everything you have written is absolute nonsense and you really need to look in the mirror. No previous education secretary needed a 1 million dollar per month security detail but Betsy DeVos for some reason does.

    https://youtu.be/ci5kBbxthtg

    But who cares..."The right started it".


    Didn't Trump's son just say (a few days ago) that democrats criticizing his dad weren't even human?
    Yeah. He was wrong to say that. The shooter was clearly human. Not even mentally ill. Just a normal member of the #resistance. 
    There you go again, doing exactly what you're criticizing libs for. What's the matter, no mirrors in your house?
    How so? He was a member of the #resistance. Nobody who knew him said he was mentally ill...just somebody outraged by the President who decided to take action.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,829
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    MayDay10 said:
    There is certainly way too much division, and it goes both ways....  I will say though that the "Right" started it and also are the ones who have taken it too far, which is why we are here in the first place with a reality star sitting as POTUS.

    There was your typical back and forth fights in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, but for the most part people worked together and so did politicians.

    Bush was in office and had like an 85% approval rate on the heels of 911.  The handling of the military action, and some other gaffes such as Katrina and tanking the economy on the back of deregulation brought on a lot of justified criticism.  The Republicans couldnt even bring him out on the campaign trail.

    Then Obama takes over, and Republicans felt the need to 'get even' and the criticism was there from day 1, even though, most of the time, there was nothing to criticize.  He did a pretty good job and was dignified as President, even navigating an extremely partisan and venomous Republican congress.  

    Now we have Donald fucking Trump in there.  He deserves criticism.  People I know who are Republicans hated him until he got the nomination, and suddenly support him because he is on 'their team'.  I also know R's who still are true and cant stand him.  They have invented something called "fake news", which gives them license to deny any fact they please, and people buy in.  That is scary.  They deny science and progress.  They are pushing an extreme-right agenda, in the face of a "mandate" of not even winning the popular vote.  It is safe to say, most people do not want this swing in climate change, health care, planned parenthood, de-regulation, etc...  Just show a little bit of moderation.  His inauguration speech basically amounted to "neener-neener I won".  He appears to have mental illness, which is also scary.

    If this were John Kasich in there, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Romney.... and people and media were acting this way, sure... it is not good.  Donald Trump is president though.  It makes our country an international disgrace.  
    I love how you gloss over Bush and Cheney being compared to Hitler...followed by McCain/Palin...followed by Romney/Ryan. Every conservative candidate since 2000 has been compared to hitler at some point, has been called a racist, has been accused of pushing granny over a cliff. This rhetoric extends down to the republican voter as well...the tea-party is labelled racist, the deplorable are labelled racist. This is done over and over again and not once do any of you demonstrate the self-awareness in realizing how destructive it is. Repealing and replacing Obamacare is not seen as an attempt to improve the system but is seen as stripping health care away and the literal killing of people. People who want to debate science are accused of "denying science"...the word denier is specifically chosen to compare it to holocaust denial which is understood to be an ultimate evil. Everything you have written is absolute nonsense and you really need to look in the mirror. No previous education secretary needed a 1 million dollar per month security detail but Betsy DeVos for some reason does.

    https://youtu.be/ci5kBbxthtg

    But who cares..."The right started it".


    Didn't Trump's son just say (a few days ago) that democrats criticizing his dad weren't even human?
    Yeah. He was wrong to say that. The shooter was clearly human. Not even mentally ill. Just a normal member of the #resistance. 
    There you go again, doing exactly what you're criticizing libs for. What's the matter, no mirrors in your house?
    How so? He was a member of the #resistance. Nobody who knew him said he was mentally ill...just somebody outraged by the President who decided to take action.
    Nobody who knew Chris Cornell thought he was suicidal, either.

    Mental illness does not come with a billboard.
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,419
    OnWis97 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    MayDay10 said:
    There is certainly way too much division, and it goes both ways....  I will say though that the "Right" started it and also are the ones who have taken it too far, which is why we are here in the first place with a reality star sitting as POTUS.

    There was your typical back and forth fights in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, but for the most part people worked together and so did politicians.

    Bush was in office and had like an 85% approval rate on the heels of 911.  The handling of the military action, and some other gaffes such as Katrina and tanking the economy on the back of deregulation brought on a lot of justified criticism.  The Republicans couldnt even bring him out on the campaign trail.

    Then Obama takes over, and Republicans felt the need to 'get even' and the criticism was there from day 1, even though, most of the time, there was nothing to criticize.  He did a pretty good job and was dignified as President, even navigating an extremely partisan and venomous Republican congress.  

    Now we have Donald fucking Trump in there.  He deserves criticism.  People I know who are Republicans hated him until he got the nomination, and suddenly support him because he is on 'their team'.  I also know R's who still are true and cant stand him.  They have invented something called "fake news", which gives them license to deny any fact they please, and people buy in.  That is scary.  They deny science and progress.  They are pushing an extreme-right agenda, in the face of a "mandate" of not even winning the popular vote.  It is safe to say, most people do not want this swing in climate change, health care, planned parenthood, de-regulation, etc...  Just show a little bit of moderation.  His inauguration speech basically amounted to "neener-neener I won".  He appears to have mental illness, which is also scary.

    If this were John Kasich in there, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Romney.... and people and media were acting this way, sure... it is not good.  Donald Trump is president though.  It makes our country an international disgrace.  
    I love how you gloss over Bush and Cheney being compared to Hitler...followed by McCain/Palin...followed by Romney/Ryan. Every conservative candidate since 2000 has been compared to hitler at some point, has been called a racist, has been accused of pushing granny over a cliff. This rhetoric extends down to the republican voter as well...the tea-party is labelled racist, the deplorable are labelled racist. This is done over and over again and not once do any of you demonstrate the self-awareness in realizing how destructive it is. Repealing and replacing Obamacare is not seen as an attempt to improve the system but is seen as stripping health care away and the literal killing of people. People who want to debate science are accused of "denying science"...the word denier is specifically chosen to compare it to holocaust denial which is understood to be an ultimate evil. Everything you have written is absolute nonsense and you really need to look in the mirror. No previous education secretary needed a 1 million dollar per month security detail but Betsy DeVos for some reason does.

    https://youtu.be/ci5kBbxthtg

    But who cares..."The right started it".


    Didn't Trump's son just say (a few days ago) that democrats criticizing his dad weren't even human?
    Yeah. He was wrong to say that. The shooter was clearly human. Not even mentally ill. Just a normal member of the #resistance. 
    There you go again, doing exactly what you're criticizing libs for. What's the matter, no mirrors in your house?
    How so? He was a member of the #resistance. Nobody who knew him said he was mentally ill...just somebody outraged by the President who decided to take action.
    Nobody who knew Chris Cornell thought he was suicidal, either.

    Mental illness does not come with a billboard.
    Thank you!!
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    OnWis97 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    MayDay10 said:
    There is certainly way too much division, and it goes both ways....  I will say though that the "Right" started it and also are the ones who have taken it too far, which is why we are here in the first place with a reality star sitting as POTUS.

    There was your typical back and forth fights in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, but for the most part people worked together and so did politicians.

    Bush was in office and had like an 85% approval rate on the heels of 911.  The handling of the military action, and some other gaffes such as Katrina and tanking the economy on the back of deregulation brought on a lot of justified criticism.  The Republicans couldnt even bring him out on the campaign trail.

    Then Obama takes over, and Republicans felt the need to 'get even' and the criticism was there from day 1, even though, most of the time, there was nothing to criticize.  He did a pretty good job and was dignified as President, even navigating an extremely partisan and venomous Republican congress.  

    Now we have Donald fucking Trump in there.  He deserves criticism.  People I know who are Republicans hated him until he got the nomination, and suddenly support him because he is on 'their team'.  I also know R's who still are true and cant stand him.  They have invented something called "fake news", which gives them license to deny any fact they please, and people buy in.  That is scary.  They deny science and progress.  They are pushing an extreme-right agenda, in the face of a "mandate" of not even winning the popular vote.  It is safe to say, most people do not want this swing in climate change, health care, planned parenthood, de-regulation, etc...  Just show a little bit of moderation.  His inauguration speech basically amounted to "neener-neener I won".  He appears to have mental illness, which is also scary.

    If this were John Kasich in there, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Romney.... and people and media were acting this way, sure... it is not good.  Donald Trump is president though.  It makes our country an international disgrace.  
    I love how you gloss over Bush and Cheney being compared to Hitler...followed by McCain/Palin...followed by Romney/Ryan. Every conservative candidate since 2000 has been compared to hitler at some point, has been called a racist, has been accused of pushing granny over a cliff. This rhetoric extends down to the republican voter as well...the tea-party is labelled racist, the deplorable are labelled racist. This is done over and over again and not once do any of you demonstrate the self-awareness in realizing how destructive it is. Repealing and replacing Obamacare is not seen as an attempt to improve the system but is seen as stripping health care away and the literal killing of people. People who want to debate science are accused of "denying science"...the word denier is specifically chosen to compare it to holocaust denial which is understood to be an ultimate evil. Everything you have written is absolute nonsense and you really need to look in the mirror. No previous education secretary needed a 1 million dollar per month security detail but Betsy DeVos for some reason does.

    https://youtu.be/ci5kBbxthtg

    But who cares..."The right started it".


    Didn't Trump's son just say (a few days ago) that democrats criticizing his dad weren't even human?
    Yeah. He was wrong to say that. The shooter was clearly human. Not even mentally ill. Just a normal member of the #resistance. 
    There you go again, doing exactly what you're criticizing libs for. What's the matter, no mirrors in your house?
    How so? He was a member of the #resistance. Nobody who knew him said he was mentally ill...just somebody outraged by the President who decided to take action.
    Nobody who knew Chris Cornell thought he was suicidal, either.

    Mental illness does not come with a billboard.
    Although I think that gunning down congressmen would be a pretty big red flag...
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,634
    jeffbr said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Alex Jones is entering the mainstream on the right. The man has the ear of the President, who is also a nutter. The President still has the support of the vast majority of republicans....both the leaders and voters.

    It's a non-contest. The right has gone mainstream crazy. The left has nothing comparable.
     yet that doesn't make the left blameless nor does it mean that it isn't entering a dangerous period.  Just because the left has nothing comparable doesn't mean it doesn't have issues.  It does and we can't be blind to those issues.   The Berkeley situation is a perfect example.  You don't riot because you don't likeAnne Coulters message. 
    Is any talking head on the left still talking about Berkeley? It's the right that won't let it go and if the roles were reversed would be using it as a battle cry. Nothing wrong with being intolerant of intolerance, which is what Anne coulter and her ilk are about, "whites only" should be okay. Fuck that. And her.
    They aren't talking about Berkeley because they have moved on to Evergreen College.
    Please let me know when Liberty University invites the President of Planned Parenthood or a pro-choice advocate to campus and speak.
    So that's who you want to be? Like Liberty u?  AIm higher.
    Berkeley and Evergreen are liberal bastions. The conservative comparison I could think of was Liberty University. I would never aspire to a school that doesn't allow adult members of the opposite sex to dance or has zero tolerance for anyone LGBT. It was a comparison, not an aspiration.
    Yeah I just get tired of everyone always deflecting an saying....remember when Side A didn't care back in 1999? Instead of dealing with the issue at hand.  

    "The democrats are obstructionist" 
    "yeah, well the Republicans did it first"


    Trump has really helped lower the bar and has everyone just bickering and claiming how bad the other team is whenever confronted with something their team is doing that isn't really ok.

    Oh and Liberty is a private school whereas Cal Berkeley is Public.  So is Evergreen ....isnt it?  It makes a difference. 
    Evergreen is private as well.
    Evergreen is public. It is a weird, non-traditional public college in Olympia, WA. They don't give out grades (you get teacher evaluations). Their mascot is the geoduck, which seems to be appropriately weird as well.


    Ahhhhhh, I stand corrected, I know someone who went there. His name is Carter Nixon no shit.k

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,634
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    MayDay10 said:
    There is certainly way too much division, and it goes both ways....  I will say though that the "Right" started it and also are the ones who have taken it too far, which is why we are here in the first place with a reality star sitting as POTUS.

    There was your typical back and forth fights in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, but for the most part people worked together and so did politicians.

    Bush was in office and had like an 85% approval rate on the heels of 911.  The handling of the military action, and some other gaffes such as Katrina and tanking the economy on the back of deregulation brought on a lot of justified criticism.  The Republicans couldnt even bring him out on the campaign trail.

    Then Obama takes over, and Republicans felt the need to 'get even' and the criticism was there from day 1, even though, most of the time, there was nothing to criticize.  He did a pretty good job and was dignified as President, even navigating an extremely partisan and venomous Republican congress.  

    Now we have Donald fucking Trump in there.  He deserves criticism.  People I know who are Republicans hated him until he got the nomination, and suddenly support him because he is on 'their team'.  I also know R's who still are true and cant stand him.  They have invented something called "fake news", which gives them license to deny any fact they please, and people buy in.  That is scary.  They deny science and progress.  They are pushing an extreme-right agenda, in the face of a "mandate" of not even winning the popular vote.  It is safe to say, most people do not want this swing in climate change, health care, planned parenthood, de-regulation, etc...  Just show a little bit of moderation.  His inauguration speech basically amounted to "neener-neener I won".  He appears to have mental illness, which is also scary.

    If this were John Kasich in there, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Romney.... and people and media were acting this way, sure... it is not good.  Donald Trump is president though.  It makes our country an international disgrace.  
    I love how you gloss over Bush and Cheney being compared to Hitler...followed by McCain/Palin...followed by Romney/Ryan. Every conservative candidate since 2000 has been compared to hitler at some point, has been called a racist, has been accused of pushing granny over a cliff. This rhetoric extends down to the republican voter as well...the tea-party is labelled racist, the deplorable are labelled racist. This is done over and over again and not once do any of you demonstrate the self-awareness in realizing how destructive it is. Repealing and replacing Obamacare is not seen as an attempt to improve the system but is seen as stripping health care away and the literal killing of people. People who want to debate science are accused of "denying science"...the word denier is specifically chosen to compare it to holocaust denial which is understood to be an ultimate evil. Everything you have written is absolute nonsense and you really need to look in the mirror. No previous education secretary needed a 1 million dollar per month security detail but Betsy DeVos for some reason does.

    https://youtu.be/ci5kBbxthtg

    But who cares..."The right started it".


    Didn't Trump's son just say (a few days ago) that democrats criticizing his dad weren't even human?
    Yeah. He was wrong to say that. The shooter was clearly human. Not even mentally ill. Just a normal member of the #resistance. 
    There you go again, doing exactly what you're criticizing libs for. What's the matter, no mirrors in your house?
    How so? He was a member of the #resistance. Nobody who knew him said he was mentally ill...just somebody outraged by the President who decided to take action.
    You wouldn't begin to understand how inflammatory this is. Yes, the tea party is racist.
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    what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    edited June 2017
    I honestly don't care who "started it" or who's "worse." The only thing I can control is what comes out of my mouth or from the tip of my fingers. I know for a fact that I am guilty along the way of name-calling hyperbole, and I am nothing but regretful for my embarrassing behavior.

    I find myself completely avoiding the media, including this forum, because I cannot stand any longer the hypocritical abdication of responsibility of everyone involved. Everyone needs to take a fucking chill pill and remove themselves from social media (including this forum) long enough to indulge in some honest introspection. We are ALL guilty. Admit it, work on it, and be a part of the solution.

     My new mantra is "Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you have to share it." If I type something and then realize it's not HELPFUL or USEFUL information, I delete it. I have deleted about fifty posts in this forum alone over the past month. In the past 24 hours, I have come to the conclusion that just reading Facebook makes me loathe humanity. Every minute I waste reading or responding to some bullshit post is a minute I will never get back on this glorious planet. 

    Enough already, people. Either change yourself, or expect nothing to change. You gain NOTHING by engaging in pissing contests on the Internet. 

    Edit: spelled pissing wrong :-).
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    what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    In the meantime, my state had a primary on Tuesday for our statewide contest in November. We will elect ALL executive offices and an ENTIRE House of Delegates. A measly 12% of voters participated. All the selfies with pussy hats, all the online petitions, all the disgusting memes in the world will not change shit if the sanctimonious liberals don't get to the polls. I bet you not a pussy-hat-wearing friend of mine could tell you who was on the ballot. And that's the damn truth worth sharing.
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    what dreams said:the
    In the meantime, my state had a primary on Tuesday for our statewide contest in November. We will elect ALL executive offices and an ENTIRE House of Delegates. A measly 12% of voters participated. All the selfies with pussy hats, all the online petitions, all the disgusting memes in the world will not change shit if the sanctimonious liberals don't get to the polls. I bet you not a pussy-hat-wearing friend of mine could tell you who was on the ballot. And that's the damn truth worth sharing.
    I can and I voted for Ralphie-boy.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,637
    Smellyman said:
    Reminds me of the left vs. right in the media.  Yes Rachel Maddow is left, but uses facts and reason in her discourse.  The right has pick your nut.  Jones?  Hannity?  Beck?  Breitbart? etc.  They use neither facts or reason and their lapdogs suck it up.  Yet right thinks that makes it equal...


    They are not comparable. 

    I like Rachel... a lot.  She's nothing like Jones,  Rush,  etc.  

    But for me,  it's not about a comparison.  I'm criticizing the far left in a vacuum,  not as a comparison to the right.  Our standard sound be one that exists regardless of what red line the right has crossed. 
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    Pence hired a private attorney. Why would he need to do that? At least he's hired a seasoned financial crimes attorney who was a former federal AG.Experienced via Iran-Contra no less.
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,520
    I knew it!  It's Obama's fault!  That didn't take long.

    Link

    (CNN)Republican Rep. Steve King said Wednesday he partly blames former president Barack Obama for the divided political climate that he argues led to the shooting of House Majority Whip and three others on a baseball field in Alexandria, Virginia.

    "I do want to put some of this at the feet of Barack Obama," the Iowa congressman said in an interview with Simon Conway on WHO Iowa radio. "He contributed mightily to dividing us. He focused on our differences rather than our things that unify us. And this is some of the fruits of that labor."




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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,634
    Smellyman said:
    I knew it!  It's Obama's fault!  That didn't take long.

    Link

    (CNN)Republican Rep. Steve King said Wednesday he partly blames former president Barack Obama for the divided political climate that he argues led to the shooting of House Majority Whip and three others on a baseball field in Alexandria, Virginia.

    "I do want to put some of this at the feet of Barack Obama," the Iowa congressman said in an interview with Simon Conway on WHO Iowa radio. "He contributed mightily to dividing us. He focused on our differences rather than our things that unify us. And this is some of the fruits of that labor."




    Because healthcare for all is divisive. I'd argue repeal and replace without having a plan to replace, despite 5 years to come up with one is more so.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    I honestly don't care who "started it" or who's "worse." The only thing I can control is what comes out of my mouth or from the tip of my fingers. I know for a fact that I am guilty along the way of name-calling hyperbole, and I am nothing but regretful for my embarrassing behavior.

    I find myself completely avoiding the media, including this forum, because I cannot stand any longer the hypocritical abdication of responsibility of everyone involved. Everyone needs to take a fucking chill pill and remove themselves from social media (including this forum) long enough to indulge in some honest introspection. We are ALL guilty. Admit it, work on it, and be a part of the solution.

     My new mantra is "Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you have to share it." If I type something and then realize it's not HELPFUL or USEFUL information, I delete it. I have deleted about fifty posts in this forum alone over the past month. In the past 24 hours, I have come to the conclusion that just reading Facebook makes me loathe humanity. Every minute I waste reading or responding to some bullshit post is a minute I will never get back on this glorious planet. 

    Enough already, people. Either change yourself, or expect nothing to change. You gain NOTHING by engaging in pissing contests on the Internet. 

    Edit: spelled pissing wrong :-).
    Thanks for the advice, but I'm good.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,634
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:
    Ha. You could have at least picked an example where Obama was actually compared to Hitler. In the linked example the idiot congressmen was not comparing him to Hitler...in fact it was the opposite. Dumb statement by the congressman but once again illustrating your difficulty reading. 
    So, if that's how you took it, why did the congressman apologize. And yet you condemn a fellow poster for using the term "evil" to describe Trump and write about how using the term "denier" as it relates to climate change or climate science denial is toxic to the discourse and as such libs bear responsibility for the shooting yesterday but so quickly dismiss a repubs same tactic. Who needs to look in the mirror again?
    He did need to apologize. I called him an idiot. Anybody who uses "hitler" in any sentence is a moron that needs to apologize.
    Drama much?
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,520
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    BS44325 said:

    MayDay10 said:
    There is certainly way too much division, and it goes both ways....  I will say though that the "Right" started it and also are the ones who have taken it too far, which is why we are here in the first place with a reality star sitting as POTUS.

    There was your typical back and forth fights in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, but for the most part people worked together and so did politicians.

    Bush was in office and had like an 85% approval rate on the heels of 911.  The handling of the military action, and some other gaffes such as Katrina and tanking the economy on the back of deregulation brought on a lot of justified criticism.  The Republicans couldnt even bring him out on the campaign trail.

    Then Obama takes over, and Republicans felt the need to 'get even' and the criticism was there from day 1, even though, most of the time, there was nothing to criticize.  He did a pretty good job and was dignified as President, even navigating an extremely partisan and venomous Republican congress.  

    Now we have Donald fucking Trump in there.  He deserves criticism.  People I know who are Republicans hated him until he got the nomination, and suddenly support him because he is on 'their team'.  I also know R's who still are true and cant stand him.  They have invented something called "fake news", which gives them license to deny any fact they please, and people buy in.  That is scary.  They deny science and progress.  They are pushing an extreme-right agenda, in the face of a "mandate" of not even winning the popular vote.  It is safe to say, most people do not want this swing in climate change, health care, planned parenthood, de-regulation, etc...  Just show a little bit of moderation.  His inauguration speech basically amounted to "neener-neener I won".  He appears to have mental illness, which is also scary.

    If this were John Kasich in there, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Romney.... and people and media were acting this way, sure... it is not good.  Donald Trump is president though.  It makes our country an international disgrace.  
    I love how you gloss over Bush and Cheney being compared to Hitler...followed by McCain/Palin...followed by Romney/Ryan. Every conservative candidate since 2000 has been compared to hitler at some point, has been called a racist, has been accused of pushing granny over a cliff. This rhetoric extends down to the republican voter as well...the tea-party is labelled racist, the deplorable are labelled racist. This is done over and over again and not once do any of you demonstrate the self-awareness in realizing how destructive it is. Repealing and replacing Obamacare is not seen as an attempt to improve the system but is seen as stripping health care away and the literal killing of people. People who want to debate science are accused of "denying science"...the word denier is specifically chosen to compare it to holocaust denial which is understood to be an ultimate evil. Everything you have written is absolute nonsense and you really need to look in the mirror. No previous education secretary needed a 1 million dollar per month security detail but Betsy DeVos for some reason does.

    https://youtu.be/ci5kBbxthtg

    But who cares..."The right started it".


    When all these Joe Yahoos are 'debating' science than yes they are denying science.  I don't debate nuclear science with nuclear scientists.  But when 99% of atmospheric scientists doing independent research and coming up with the same conclusion than I can go with it.

    When the other 1% are sponsored by Exxon some red flags go up.  When  the politicians on the right, who also still believe in Adam and Eve and not evolution, also call climate change a hoax i get angry because they are denying science


    And on the other topic.  This kind of of crap gets PUT ON FOX NEWS.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdTkCQupCR4



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    Smellyman said:
    Reminds me of the left vs. right in the media.  Yes Rachel Maddow is left, but uses facts and reason in her discourse.  The right has pick your nut.  Jones?  Hannity?  Beck?  Breitbart? etc.  They use neither facts or reason and their lapdogs suck it up.  Yet right thinks that makes it equal...


    They are not comparable. 

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,634
    Smellyman said:
    BS44325 said:

    MayDay10 said:
    There is certainly way too much division, and it goes both ways....  I will say though that the "Right" started it and also are the ones who have taken it too far, which is why we are here in the first place with a reality star sitting as POTUS.

    There was your typical back and forth fights in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, but for the most part people worked together and so did politicians.

    Bush was in office and had like an 85% approval rate on the heels of 911.  The handling of the military action, and some other gaffes such as Katrina and tanking the economy on the back of deregulation brought on a lot of justified criticism.  The Republicans couldnt even bring him out on the campaign trail.

    Then Obama takes over, and Republicans felt the need to 'get even' and the criticism was there from day 1, even though, most of the time, there was nothing to criticize.  He did a pretty good job and was dignified as President, even navigating an extremely partisan and venomous Republican congress.  

    Now we have Donald fucking Trump in there.  He deserves criticism.  People I know who are Republicans hated him until he got the nomination, and suddenly support him because he is on 'their team'.  I also know R's who still are true and cant stand him.  They have invented something called "fake news", which gives them license to deny any fact they please, and people buy in.  That is scary.  They deny science and progress.  They are pushing an extreme-right agenda, in the face of a "mandate" of not even winning the popular vote.  It is safe to say, most people do not want this swing in climate change, health care, planned parenthood, de-regulation, etc...  Just show a little bit of moderation.  His inauguration speech basically amounted to "neener-neener I won".  He appears to have mental illness, which is also scary.

    If this were John Kasich in there, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Romney.... and people and media were acting this way, sure... it is not good.  Donald Trump is president though.  It makes our country an international disgrace.  
    I love how you gloss over Bush and Cheney being compared to Hitler...followed by McCain/Palin...followed by Romney/Ryan. Every conservative candidate since 2000 has been compared to hitler at some point, has been called a racist, has been accused of pushing granny over a cliff. This rhetoric extends down to the republican voter as well...the tea-party is labelled racist, the deplorable are labelled racist. This is done over and over again and not once do any of you demonstrate the self-awareness in realizing how destructive it is. Repealing and replacing Obamacare is not seen as an attempt to improve the system but is seen as stripping health care away and the literal killing of people. People who want to debate science are accused of "denying science"...the word denier is specifically chosen to compare it to holocaust denial which is understood to be an ultimate evil. Everything you have written is absolute nonsense and you really need to look in the mirror. No previous education secretary needed a 1 million dollar per month security detail but Betsy DeVos for some reason does.

    https://youtu.be/ci5kBbxthtg

    But who cares..."The right started it".


    When all these Joe Yahoos are 'debating' science than yes they are denying science.  I don't debate nuclear science with nuclear scientists.  But when 99% of atmospheric scientists doing independent research and coming up with the same conclusion than I can go with it.

    When the other 1% are sponsored by Exxon some red flags go up.  When  the politicians on the right, who also still believe in Adam and Eve and not evolution, also call climate change a hoax i get angry because they are denying science


    And on the other topic.  This kind of of crap gets PUT ON FOX NEWS.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdTkCQupCR4



    So you probably call those folks deniers and link them to Hitler? You're responsible for Scalise's being shot. See, you don't need a Glen Beck chalkboard to draw that conclusion.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    MayDay10 said:
    There is certainly way too much division, and it goes both ways....  I will say though that the "Right" started it and also are the ones who have taken it too far, which is why we are here in the first place with a reality star sitting as POTUS.

    There was your typical back and forth fights in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, but for the most part people worked together and so did politicians.

    Bush was in office and had like an 85% approval rate on the heels of 911.  The handling of the military action, and some other gaffes such as Katrina and tanking the economy on the back of deregulation brought on a lot of justified criticism.  The Republicans couldnt even bring him out on the campaign trail.

    Then Obama takes over, and Republicans felt the need to 'get even' and the criticism was there from day 1, even though, most of the time, there was nothing to criticize.  He did a pretty good job and was dignified as President, even navigating an extremely partisan and venomous Republican congress.  

    Now we have Donald fucking Trump in there.  He deserves criticism.  People I know who are Republicans hated him until he got the nomination, and suddenly support him because he is on 'their team'.  I also know R's who still are true and cant stand him.  They have invented something called "fake news", which gives them license to deny any fact they please, and people buy in.  That is scary.  They deny science and progress.  They are pushing an extreme-right agenda, in the face of a "mandate" of not even winning the popular vote.  It is safe to say, most people do not want this swing in climate change, health care, planned parenthood, de-regulation, etc...  Just show a little bit of moderation.  His inauguration speech basically amounted to "neener-neener I won".  He appears to have mental illness, which is also scary.

    If this were John Kasich in there, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Romney.... and people and media were acting this way, sure... it is not good.  Donald Trump is president though.  It makes our country an international disgrace.  
    I love how you gloss over Bush and Cheney being compared to Hitler...followed by McCain/Palin...followed by Romney/Ryan. Every conservative candidate since 2000 has been compared to hitler at some point, has been called a racist, has been accused of pushing granny over a cliff. This rhetoric extends down to the republican voter as well...the tea-party is labelled racist, the deplorable are labelled racist. This is done over and over again and not once do any of you demonstrate the self-awareness in realizing how destructive it is. Repealing and replacing Obamacare is not seen as an attempt to improve the system but is seen as stripping health care away and the literal killing of people. People who want to debate science are accused of "denying science"...the word denier is specifically chosen to compare it to holocaust denial which is understood to be an ultimate evil. Everything you have written is absolute nonsense and you really need to look in the mirror. No previous education secretary needed a 1 million dollar per month security detail but Betsy DeVos for some reason does.

    https://youtu.be/ci5kBbxthtg

    But who cares..."The right started it".


    Didn't Trump's son just say (a few days ago) that democrats criticizing his dad weren't even human?
    Yeah. He was wrong to say that. The shooter was clearly human. Not even mentally ill. Just a normal member of the #resistance. 
    There you go again, doing exactly what you're criticizing libs for. What's the matter, no mirrors in your house?
    How so? He was a member of the #resistance. Nobody who knew him said he was mentally ill...just somebody outraged by the President who decided to take action.
    You wouldn't begin to understand how inflammatory this is. Yes, the tea party is racist.
    Oh? It's inflammatory to point out that a #resistance member did this? The word "resistance" is in it if itself inflammatory. What is it that the word is actually alluding too? Used in this way it is supposed to allude to the French who "resisted" the Nazis in occupied France. The word again is used to compare Trump and the current GOP congress Nazis. It is your terminology that is inflammatory. Add to this your insistence that the Tea Party is racist. This is the toxic stew that the shooter has been bathing in. A stew that you participate in. Once again...sorry if it makes you uncomfortable.

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    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    MayDay10 said:
    There is certainly way too much division, and it goes both ways....  I will say though that the "Right" started it and also are the ones who have taken it too far, which is why we are here in the first place with a reality star sitting as POTUS.

    There was your typical back and forth fights in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, but for the most part people worked together and so did politicians.

    Bush was in office and had like an 85% approval rate on the heels of 911.  The handling of the military action, and some other gaffes such as Katrina and tanking the economy on the back of deregulation brought on a lot of justified criticism.  The Republicans couldnt even bring him out on the campaign trail.

    Then Obama takes over, and Republicans felt the need to 'get even' and the criticism was there from day 1, even though, most of the time, there was nothing to criticize.  He did a pretty good job and was dignified as President, even navigating an extremely partisan and venomous Republican congress.  

    Now we have Donald fucking Trump in there.  He deserves criticism.  People I know who are Republicans hated him until he got the nomination, and suddenly support him because he is on 'their team'.  I also know R's who still are true and cant stand him.  They have invented something called "fake news", which gives them license to deny any fact they please, and people buy in.  That is scary.  They deny science and progress.  They are pushing an extreme-right agenda, in the face of a "mandate" of not even winning the popular vote.  It is safe to say, most people do not want this swing in climate change, health care, planned parenthood, de-regulation, etc...  Just show a little bit of moderation.  His inauguration speech basically amounted to "neener-neener I won".  He appears to have mental illness, which is also scary.

    If this were John Kasich in there, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Romney.... and people and media were acting this way, sure... it is not good.  Donald Trump is president though.  It makes our country an international disgrace.  
    I love how you gloss over Bush and Cheney being compared to Hitler...followed by McCain/Palin...followed by Romney/Ryan. Every conservative candidate since 2000 has been compared to hitler at some point, has been called a racist, has been accused of pushing granny over a cliff. This rhetoric extends down to the republican voter as well...the tea-party is labelled racist, the deplorable are labelled racist. This is done over and over again and not once do any of you demonstrate the self-awareness in realizing how destructive it is. Repealing and replacing Obamacare is not seen as an attempt to improve the system but is seen as stripping health care away and the literal killing of people. People who want to debate science are accused of "denying science"...the word denier is specifically chosen to compare it to holocaust denial which is understood to be an ultimate evil. Everything you have written is absolute nonsense and you really need to look in the mirror. No previous education secretary needed a 1 million dollar per month security detail but Betsy DeVos for some reason does.

    https://youtu.be/ci5kBbxthtg

    But who cares..."The right started it".


    Didn't Trump's son just say (a few days ago) that democrats criticizing his dad weren't even human?
    Yeah. He was wrong to say that. The shooter was clearly human. Not even mentally ill. Just a normal member of the #resistance. 
    Anyone who uses shoots at people has clearly had a psychotic break and is mentally ill.  
    Much like his father, DJT jr needs a decent helping of STFU.

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    Smellyman said:
    BS44325 said:

    MayDay10 said:
    There is certainly way too much division, and it goes both ways....  I will say though that the "Right" started it and also are the ones who have taken it too far, which is why we are here in the first place with a reality star sitting as POTUS.

    There was your typical back and forth fights in the Reagan and Clinton administrations, but for the most part people worked together and so did politicians.

    Bush was in office and had like an 85% approval rate on the heels of 911.  The handling of the military action, and some other gaffes such as Katrina and tanking the economy on the back of deregulation brought on a lot of justified criticism.  The Republicans couldnt even bring him out on the campaign trail.

    Then Obama takes over, and Republicans felt the need to 'get even' and the criticism was there from day 1, even though, most of the time, there was nothing to criticize.  He did a pretty good job and was dignified as President, even navigating an extremely partisan and venomous Republican congress.  

    Now we have Donald fucking Trump in there.  He deserves criticism.  People I know who are Republicans hated him until he got the nomination, and suddenly support him because he is on 'their team'.  I also know R's who still are true and cant stand him.  They have invented something called "fake news", which gives them license to deny any fact they please, and people buy in.  That is scary.  They deny science and progress.  They are pushing an extreme-right agenda, in the face of a "mandate" of not even winning the popular vote.  It is safe to say, most people do not want this swing in climate change, health care, planned parenthood, de-regulation, etc...  Just show a little bit of moderation.  His inauguration speech basically amounted to "neener-neener I won".  He appears to have mental illness, which is also scary.

    If this were John Kasich in there, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Romney.... and people and media were acting this way, sure... it is not good.  Donald Trump is president though.  It makes our country an international disgrace.  
    I love how you gloss over Bush and Cheney being compared to Hitler...followed by McCain/Palin...followed by Romney/Ryan. Every conservative candidate since 2000 has been compared to hitler at some point, has been called a racist, has been accused of pushing granny over a cliff. This rhetoric extends down to the republican voter as well...the tea-party is labelled racist, the deplorable are labelled racist. This is done over and over again and not once do any of you demonstrate the self-awareness in realizing how destructive it is. Repealing and replacing Obamacare is not seen as an attempt to improve the system but is seen as stripping health care away and the literal killing of people. People who want to debate science are accused of "denying science"...the word denier is specifically chosen to compare it to holocaust denial which is understood to be an ultimate evil. Everything you have written is absolute nonsense and you really need to look in the mirror. No previous education secretary needed a 1 million dollar per month security detail but Betsy DeVos for some reason does.

    https://youtu.be/ci5kBbxthtg

    But who cares..."The right started it".


    When all these Joe Yahoos are 'debating' science than yes they are denying science.  I don't debate nuclear science with nuclear scientists.  But when 99% of atmospheric scientists doing independent research and coming up with the same conclusion than I can go with it.

    When the other 1% are sponsored by Exxon some red flags go up.  When  the politicians on the right, who also still believe in Adam and Eve and not evolution, also call climate change a hoax i get angry because they are denying science


    And on the other topic.  This kind of of crap gets PUT ON FOX NEWS.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdTkCQupCR4



    Scientists agree that climate change is occurring and that man contributes to that change. That is all they agree on. Beyond that there is no agreement. None. But what do I know...I'm just a Joe Yahoo with an MSc degree...interested in science but lumped in with all the other "deniers" for suggesting that there are "things we don't know" and that the science isn't exactly settled.
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    And so let me say, it is my high honor and distinct privilege to introduce all of you the President of the United States.  (Applause.) 

    PRESIDENT TRUMP:  Well, I want to thank everybody.  Very, very special people.  And it is true, this is my first stop, officially.  We’re not talking about the balls, or we’re not talking about even the speeches -- although they did treat me nicely on that speech yesterday.  (Laughter.)  I always call them the dishonest media, but they treated me nicely.  (Laughter.) 

    But I want to say that there is nobody that feels stronger about the intelligence community and the CIA than Donald Trump.  There’s nobody.  (Applause.) 

    The wall behind me is very, very special.  We’ve been touring for quite a while, and I’ll tell you what -- 29?  I can’t believe it.

    AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Twenty-eight.

    PRESIDENT TRUMP:  Oh, 28.  We got to reduce it.  That’s amazing.  And we really appreciate what you’ve done in terms of showing us something very special.  And your whole group, these are really special, amazing people.  Very, very few people could do the job you people do.  And I want to just let you know, I am so behind you.  And I know maybe sometimes you haven’t gotten the backing that you’ve wanted, and you’re going to get so much backing.  Maybe you’re going to say, please don’t give us so much backing.  (Laughter.)  Mr. President, please, we don’t need that much backing.  (Laughter.)  But you’re going to have that.  And I think everybody in this room knows it.

    You know, the military and the law enforcement, generally speaking, but all of it -- but the military gave us tremendous percentages of votes.  We were unbelievably successful in the election with getting the vote of the military.  And probably almost everybody in this room voted for me, but I will not ask you to raise your hands if you did.  (Laughter.)  But I would guarantee a big portion, because we’re all on the same wavelength, folks.  (Applause.)  We’re all on the same wavelength, right?  He knows.  It took Brian about 30 seconds to figure that one out, right, because we know we’re on the same wavelength.

    But we’re going to do great things.  We’re going to do great things.  We’ve been fighting these wars for longer than any wars we’ve ever fought.  We have not used the real abilities that we have.  We’ve been restrained.  We have to get rid of ISIS.  Have to get rid of ISIS.  We have no choice.  (Applause.)  Radical Islamic terrorism.  And I said it yesterday -- it has to be eradicated just off the face of the Earth.  This is evil.  This is evil.  And you know, I can understand the other side.  We can all understand the other side.  There can be wars between countries, there can be wars.  You can understand what happened.  This is something nobody can even understand.  This is a level of evil that we haven’t seen.  And you’re going to go to it, and you’re going to do a phenomenal job.  But we’re going to end it.  It’s time.  It’s time right now to end it.

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    You have somebody coming on who is extraordinary.  For the different positions of “Secretary of This” and “Secretary of That” and all of these great positions, I’d see five, six, seven, eight people.  And we had a great transition.  We had an amazing team of talent.  And, by the way, General Flynn is right over here.  Put up your hand.  What a good guy.  (Applause.)  And Reince and my whole group.  Reince -- you know -- they don’t care about Reince.  He’s like this political guy that turned out to be a superstar, right?  We don’t have to talk about Reince.

    But we did -- we had such a tremendous, tremendous success.  So when I’m interviewing all of these candidates that Reince and his whole group is putting in front, it went very, very quickly, and, in this case, went so quickly -- because I would see six or seven or eight for Secretary of Agriculture, who we just named the other day, Sonny Perdue, former governor of Georgia.  Fantastic guy.  But I’d see six, seven, eight people for a certain position.  Everybody wanted it. 

    But I met Mike Pompeo, and it was the only guy I met.  I didn’t want to meet anybody else.  I said, cancel everybody else.  Cancel.  Now, he was approved, essentially, but they’re doing little political games with me.  He was one of the three.  Now, last night, as you know, General Mattis, fantastic guy, and General Kelly got approved.  (Applause.)  And Mike Pompeo was supposed to be in that group.  It was going to be the three of them.  Can you imagine all of these guys?  People respect -- you know, they respect that military sense.  All my political people, they’re not doing so well.  The political people aren’t doing so well but you.  We’re going to get them all through, but some will take a little bit longer than others. 

    But Mike was literally -- I had a group of -- what, we had nine different people?  Now, I must say, I didn’t mind cancelling eight appointments.  That wasn’t the worst thing in the world.  But I met him and I said, he is so good.  Number one in his class at West Point. 

    Now, I know a lot about West Point.  I’m a person that very strongly believes in academics.  In fact, every time I say I had an uncle who was a great professor at MIT for 35 years who did a fantastic job in so many different ways, academically -- was an academic genius -- and then they say, is Donald Trump an intellectual?  Trust me, I’m like a smart persona.  (Laughter.)  And I recognized immediately.  So he was number one at West Point, and he was also essentially number one at Harvard Law School.  And then he decided to go into the military.  And he ran for Congress.  And everything he’s done has been a homerun.  People like him, but much more importantly to me, everybody respects him.  And when I told Paul Ryan that I wanted to do this, I would say he may be the only person that was not totally thrilled -- right, Mike?  Because he said, I don’t want to lose this guy. 

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    But you will be getting a total star.  You’re going to be getting a total gem.  He’s a gem.  (Applause.)  You’ll see.  You’ll see.  And many of you know him anyway.  But you’re going to see.  And again, we have some great people going in.  But this one is something -- is going to be very special, because this is one, if I had to name the most important, this would certainly be perhaps -- you know, in certain ways, you could say my most important.  You do the job like everybody in this room is capable of doing.  And the generals are wonderful, and the fighting is wonderful.  But if you give them the right direction, boy, does the fighting become easier.  And, boy, do we lose so fewer lives, and win so quickly.  And that’s what we have to do.  We have to start winning again.
    You know, when I was young and when I was -- of course, I feel young.  I feel like I’m 30, 35, 39.  (Laughter.)  Somebody said, are you young?  I said, I think I’m young.  You know, I was stopping -- when we were in the final month of that campaign, four stops, five stops, seven stops.  Speeches, speeches, in front of 25,000, 30,000 people, 15,000, 19,000 from stop to stop.  I feel young.
    When I was young -- and I think we’re all sort of young.  When I was young, we were always winning things in this country.  We’d win with trade.  We’d win with wars.  At a certain age, I remember hearing from one of my instructors, “The United States has never lost a war.”  And then, after that, it’s like we haven’t won anything.  We don’t win anymore.  The old expression, “to the victor belong the spoils” -- you remember.  I always used to say, keep the oil.  I wasn’t a fan of Iraq.  I didn’t want to go into Iraq.  But I will tell you, when we were in, we got out wrong.  And I always said, in addition to that, keep the oil.  Now, I said it for economic reasons.  But if you think about it, Mike, if we kept the oil you probably wouldn’t have ISIS because that’s where they made their money in the first place.  So we should have kept the oil.  But okay.  (Laughter.)  Maybe you’ll have another chance.  But the fact is, should have kept the oil. 
    I believe that this group is going to be one of the most important groups in this country toward making us safe, toward making us winners again, toward ending all of the problems.  We have so many problems that are interrelated that we don’t even think of, but interrelated to the kind of havoc and fear that this sick group of people has caused.  So I can only say that I am with you 1,000 percent. 
    And the reason you’re my first stop is that, as you know, I have a running war with the media.  They are among the most dishonest human beings on Earth.  (Laughter and applause.)  And they sort of made it sound like I had a feud with the intelligence community.  And I just want to let you know, the reason you’re the number-one stop is exactly the opposite -- exactly.  And they understand that, too. 

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    And I was explaining about the numbers.  We did a thing yesterday at the speech.  Did everybody like the speech?  (Applause.)  I’ve been given good reviews.  But we had a massive field of people.  You saw them.  Packed.  I get up this morning, I turn on one of the networks, and they show an empty field.  I say, wait a minute, I made a speech.  I looked out, the field was -- it looked like a million, million and a half people.  They showed a field where there were practically nobody standing there.  And they said, Donald Trump did not draw well.  I said, it was almost raining, the rain should have scared them away, but God looked down and he said, we’re not going to let it rain on your speech. 
    In fact, when I first started, I said, oh, no.  The first line, I got hit by a couple of drops.  And I said, oh, this is too bad, but we’ll go right through it.  But the truth is that it stopped immediately.  It was amazing.  And then it became really sunny.  And then I walked off and it poured right after I left.  It poured.  But, you know, we have something that’s amazing because we had -- it looked -- honestly, it looked like a million and a half people.  Whatever it was, it was.  But it went all the way back to the Washington Monument.  And I turn on -- and by mistake I get this network, and it showed an empty field.  And it said we drew 250,000 people.  Now, that’s not bad, but it’s a lie.  We had 250,000 people literally around -- you know, in the little bowl that we constructed.  That was 250,000 people.  The rest of the 20-block area, all the way back to the Washington Monument, was packed.  So we caught them, and we caught them in a beauty.  And I think they’re going to pay a big price. 
    We had another one yesterday, which was interesting.  In the Oval Office there’s a beautiful statue of Dr. Martin Luther King.  And I also happen to like Churchill, Winston Churchill.  I think most of us like Churchill.  He doesn’t come from our country, but had a lot to do with it.  Helped us; real ally.  And, as you know, the Churchill statue was taken out -- the bust.  And as you also probably have read, the Prime Minister is coming over to our country very shortly.  And they wanted to know whether or not I’d like it back.  I say, absolutely, but in the meantime we have a bust of Churchill. 
    So a reporter for Time magazine -- and I have been on there cover, like, 14 or 15 times.  I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time Magazine.  Like, if Tom Brady is on the cover, it’s one time, because he won the Super Bowl or something, right?  (Laughter.)  I’ve been on it for 15 times this year.  I don’t think that’s a record, Mike, that can ever be broken.  Do you agree with that?  What do you think? 
    But I will say that they said -- it was very interesting -- that Donald Trump took down the bust, the statue, of Dr. Martin Luther King.  And it was right there.  But there was a cameraman that was in front of it.  (Laughter.)  So Zeke -- Zeke from Time Magazine writes a story about I took down.  I would never do that because I have great respect for Dr. Martin Luther King.  But this is how dishonest the media is.
    Now, the big story -- the retraction was, like, where?  Was it a line?  Or do they even bother putting it in?  So I only like to say that because I love honesty.  I like honest reporting. 

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    I will tell you, final time -- although I will say it, when you let in your thousands of other people that have been trying to come in -- because I am coming back -- we’re going to have to get you a larger room.  (Applause.)  We may have to get you a larger room.  You know?  And maybe, maybe, it will be built by somebody that knows how to build, and we won’t have columns.  (Laughter.)  You understand that?  (Applause.)  We get rid of the columns.

    No, I just wanted to really say that I love you, I respect you.  There’s nobody I respect more.  You’re going to do a fantastic job.  And we’re going to start winning again, and you’re going to be leading the charge. 

    So thank you all very much.  (Applause.)  Thank you -- you’re beautiful.  Thank you all very much.  Have a good time.  I’ll be back.  I’ll be back.  Thank you.

     

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