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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,021
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    BS44325 said:
    What a colossal failure of the media.  We need to get away from the pundits and get back to news reporting.  The “Jump to Conclusions” game from Office Space would sell out in New York and DC.  

    Trump is still a disgusting person, unfit to be President, and a crook, but the media got this Russia nonsense way wrong and just drives a bigger wedge in the country instead of just reporting the news.  They played right into Trump’s Fake News rhetoric. Tough to disagree right now.


    I wouldn't blame this on the media:

    "The attorney general also stated that Mueller did not reach a conclusion on whether President Trump committed any offenses relating to obstruction of justice.

    "The Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,' " the letter reads."

    Honestly, I don't know wtf that means. If he didn't commit a crime why is he not exonerated?

    To me its the master of the Iran Contra coverup back to perform his magic.

    I took it to say that there was no findings of collusion with Russia, but that  Trump may have obstructed the investigation but not enough to be charged.  So, no Russia collusion but likely some lies by the President.

    So I took it that the investigation was whether there was collusion and the answer is a clear no.
    I look forward to watch people claim Trump obstructed an investigation into a crime he never committed. Please. Keep going. I want to spike more footballs. I am not yet sick of the winning.
    You act like you know everything, so please enlighten us. Seriously. I can't take the Barr/Rosenstein summary as the end of the road...because everyone should understand that it is NOT the end of the road. Yet you seem to pounce and celebrate. If this is "winning"...I don't want to win.

    Again, please explain the full report to us when you get a chance. Oh wait...it hasn't been released yet. And chances are that it never will be fully released. 

    One follow up question....
    Is this the only investigation? Just curious.
    I do know everything. It is not an act. At some point you will all need to come to grips with that.
    not everything. you clearly don't know how obstruction of justice potentially works. 
    You’re a plagiarist.
    pardon?
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,870
    my2hands said:
    So Trump is either a total moron, or is a diabolical criminal mastermind in a vast international conspiracy

    Can we make up our minds on this one?
    I think he lands somewhere in-between. "Shyster" seems like the most appropriate word to describe both his business career and his political career. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,753
    tbergs said:
    Is this guy serious? He must not understand how the legal system works. People make a deal to avoid getting their entire life dragged through a public trial when the evidence is that overwhelming. All those rich assholes knew their only option was to plea and cooperate or spend lots of money to be even more publicly humiliated.
    So, why did Mueller need their cooperation?
    This is all information you can find in much more detail by just looking it up. Sorry, I don't have the time to explain why witnesses cooperate and what it means for both sides.

    In the case of Mueller, it never meant they were getting close to Trump or giving him up. Too many people were mislead with the whole collusion story line and thought something was going to implicate Trump in some vast conspiracy to overthrow the 2016 election. The Russians didn't need his help, they just needed his ignorance and stupidity. None of that means a thing when it comes down to the financial corruption and tax fraud Don has benefited from for years. No piece of evidence or documentation will ever sway the Trump lovers and the lack of such documentation will not sway the Trump skeptics. Unless he is indicted and tried in a court of law, and even then the evidence would need to be obvious (like video or direct confessions) for his supporters to understand or believe, nothing will make a difference moving forward.

    Holding on to hope of damning information in an unreleased report is not what this country should be focused on because more gray allegations and references about corruption will only strengthen this worthless piece of shit's case for re-election. He's corrupt as fuck and anyone who still doesn't know that or chooses not to care, are not going to change their mind before election night 2020.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost CompanionsPosts: 1,725
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    So here's where we are.  It actually was a witch hunt.  The Trump campaign is clean.  Most likely, the entire thing was done based on lies and treason.  Trump is polarizing, but roughly 50% popular.  The economy is humming, he's doing pretty well abroad.  And he's now survived a witch hunt.  He's actually been an effective president.  Or, at least, things have gone well despite him. His unprofessionalism and twitter trolling doesn't really matter to many people and the fact that his very existence pisses off the left is an asset at election time.  

    That said, we still need him out badly.  His following is still cult-like and it's increasing.  I still believe we are on the road to authoritarianism.  He's been effective. That's actually pretty common for dictators.  The courts are no longer being stacked with right-leaning and left-leaning upholders of the law.  They are being stacked with party loyalists. And, the people in control (Trump, the GOP, and the voters) are letting the earth burn to own the libs. 

    But the witch hunt might render the 2020 election a one-party election.  Please GOP, start caring about the country ahead of owning the libs.  The libs are owning themselves.
    It was not a witch hunt. It was a legally authorized investigation. The witch hunt is about to begin.
    Huh?
    I suppose you mean investigating the potential treason connected to the bullshit dossier.  It's probably necessary.  It's only problematic if it's not honest (which is possible).
    Damn. There’s a legal track and a political track. Team  Mueller was the legal track. The political track is about to begin. Remember Benghazi? Oh, and by the way, you’re trusting a 4 page summary by those hand picked? Let’s see the full report and allow the legislative branch to “check” or pump the brakes, yo! 28-3.
    this guy is unhinged....  wake me up when its time for the pregame handjob.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,021
    it's over. time to focus on 2020. 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,020
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    What a colossal failure of the media.  We need to get away from the pundits and get back to news reporting.  The “Jump to Conclusions” game from Office Space would sell out in New York and DC.  

    Trump is still a disgusting person, unfit to be President, and a crook, but the media got this Russia nonsense way wrong and just drives a bigger wedge in the country instead of just reporting the news.  They played right into Trump’s Fake News rhetoric. Tough to disagree right now.


    I wouldn't blame this on the media:

    "The attorney general also stated that Mueller did not reach a conclusion on whether President Trump committed any offenses relating to obstruction of justice.

    "The Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,' " the letter reads."

    Honestly, I don't know wtf that means. If he didn't commit a crime why is he not exonerated?

    To me its the master of the Iran Contra coverup back to perform his magic.

    I took it to say that there was no findings of collusion with Russia, but that  Trump may have obstructed the investigation but not enough to be charged.  So, no Russia collusion but likely some lies by the President.

    So I took it that the investigation was whether there was collusion and the answer is a clear no.
    I look forward to watch people claim Trump obstructed an investigation into a crime he never committed. Please. Keep going. I want to spike more footballs. I am not yet sick of the winning.
    Wait, what? How did you win?  What did you have to do with anything? 
    To me the win is not having a trial for the next two years. Instead of watergate/lewinsky 2.0 we can now go back to work and attempt to fix the many problems we have in the us.  

    Completely agree.  Now we can focus on the anemic GDP growth as further proof that trickle down economics doesn't work. That will be the election albatross. 
    How about I am facing the biggest tax  increase I ever faced in my life, a gift from a republican president and republican Congress .

    Trump governs only to his 40% base that lives in red states, and his followers wonder why everyone else hates him. 
    How could that be? I paid less in taxes and made more. 



    I lost a huge SALT deduction while the tax rate decreased slightly, not nearly enough to offset the lost deduction.


    Got ya. I m sorry bud. Did you end up owing or just get less of a refund?

    Thanks, less of a refund, but a huge change in it.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,020
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    What a colossal failure of the media.  We need to get away from the pundits and get back to news reporting.  The “Jump to Conclusions” game from Office Space would sell out in New York and DC.  

    Trump is still a disgusting person, unfit to be President, and a crook, but the media got this Russia nonsense way wrong and just drives a bigger wedge in the country instead of just reporting the news.  They played right into Trump’s Fake News rhetoric. Tough to disagree right now.


    I wouldn't blame this on the media:

    "The attorney general also stated that Mueller did not reach a conclusion on whether President Trump committed any offenses relating to obstruction of justice.

    "The Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,' " the letter reads."

    Honestly, I don't know wtf that means. If he didn't commit a crime why is he not exonerated?

    To me its the master of the Iran Contra coverup back to perform his magic.

    I took it to say that there was no findings of collusion with Russia, but that  Trump may have obstructed the investigation but not enough to be charged.  So, no Russia collusion but likely some lies by the President.

    So I took it that the investigation was whether there was collusion and the answer is a clear no.
    I look forward to watch people claim Trump obstructed an investigation into a crime he never committed. Please. Keep going. I want to spike more footballs. I am not yet sick of the winning.
    Wait, what? How did you win?  What did you have to do with anything? 
    To me the win is not having a trial for the next two years. Instead of watergate/lewinsky 2.0 we can now go back to work and attempt to fix the many problems we have in the us.  

    Completely agree.  Now we can focus on the anemic GDP growth as further proof that trickle down economics doesn't work. That will be the election albatross. 
    How about I am facing the biggest tax  increase I ever faced in my life, a gift from a republican president and republican Congress .

    Trump governs only to his 40% base that lives in red states, and his followers wonder why everyone else hates him. 
    You want people in red states to continue subsidizing your services? Protest your Governor not your President. 

    As with most everything from Trump supporters, that is completely false. 

    Money flows from blue states to red states:

    "THE FACTS:

    Connecticut residents paid an average of $15,643 per person in federal taxes in 2015, according to a report by the Rockefeller Institute of Government. Massachusetts paid $13,582 per person, New Jersey paid $13,137 and New York paid $12,820.

    California residents paid an average of $10,510.

    At the other end, Mississippi residents paid an average of $5,740 per person, while West Virginia paid $6,349, Kentucky paid $6,626 and South Carolina paid $6,665.

    Low-tax red states also fare better when you take into account federal spending.

    Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar the state sent to Washington in 2015, according to the Rockefeller study. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky got $1.90 and South Carolina got $1.71.

    Meanwhile, New Jersey received 74 cents in federal spending for tax every dollar the state sent to Washington. New York received 81 cents, Connecticut received 82 cents and Massachusetts received 83 cents."


    https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

     

  • Russian troops land in Venezuela? Am I missing something here? Is this an issue or not? How does McDonald respond to this? Is a response necessary?

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,020
    my2hands said:
    The president is not a stooge of the Kremlin, and you guys act like someone just stole your puppy... 

    I'm pissed because this really hurts for 2020



    We haven't seen the report yet and you are making conclusions?

    Trump is not exonerated regarding obstruction.

    The problem with that is obstruction obstructs. Where would we be today if there was none?

    Tell me, where did the obstruction end?

     Firing Comey?

    Firing sessions?

    Hammering away at the legitimacy of the investigation 76 times a day?

    Appointing the Iran Contra coverup Mastermind as AG?

    Withholding the report for 3 days, and counting?

    It seems the investigation trajectory changed drastically when sessions was fired?

    Correct me if I  am wrong, but the moment Comey announced Hillary wasnt getting indicted, he hammered her in public, during an election.

    And her "guilt" became a campaign slogan. Were you complaining about that?




  • dignindignin Posts: 7,135
    edited March 25
    it's over. time to focus on 2020. 
    What's over? You don't want to see Mueller's report? Should they just close the 12+ other investigations into Trump, his organization and his administration? Because it might make democrats look bad?

    The GOP had multiple investigations into Benghazi for years that went nowhere and it didn't hurt them politically in the least.

    I really don't understand this attitude.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,021
    dignin said:
    it's over. time to focus on 2020. 
    What's over? You don't want to see Mueller's report? Should they just close the 12+ other investigations into Trump, his organization and his administration? Because it might make democrats look bad?

    The GOP had multiple investigations into Benghazi for years that went nowhere and it didn't hurt them politically in the least.

    I really don't understand this attitude.
    sure I do. but it just feels like people are grasping at straws here, still holding out faint hope that someone this will lead to trump's demise. I don't think it will. 
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,870
    dignin said:

    The GOP had multiple investigations into Benghazi for years that went nowhere and it didn't hurt them politically in the least.
    I think the public perception of the Benghazi investigations was that they were seeking justice for the Americans that died, as a opposed to what they really were from the GOP's point of view: to get Hillary. I think the public perception of all of these Trump investigations is that they are meant to "get Trump," and not much more. "Credit" Hannity and folks of his ilk for helping along that perception. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 21,079
    my2hands said:
    So Trump is either a total moron, or is a diabolical criminal mastermind in a vast international conspiracy

    Can we make up our minds on this one?
    I think he lands somewhere in-between. "Shyster" seems like the most appropriate word to describe both his business career and his political career. 
    Nope crook fits him just fine ..
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    2 years to indict Roger Stone for talking about Podesta's worthless emails... and Manafort for tax & loan issues well before the Trump campaign....

    Sweet lol


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 11,814
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    What a colossal failure of the media.  We need to get away from the pundits and get back to news reporting.  The “Jump to Conclusions” game from Office Space would sell out in New York and DC.  

    Trump is still a disgusting person, unfit to be President, and a crook, but the media got this Russia nonsense way wrong and just drives a bigger wedge in the country instead of just reporting the news.  They played right into Trump’s Fake News rhetoric. Tough to disagree right now.


    I wouldn't blame this on the media:

    "The attorney general also stated that Mueller did not reach a conclusion on whether President Trump committed any offenses relating to obstruction of justice.

    "The Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,' " the letter reads."

    Honestly, I don't know wtf that means. If he didn't commit a crime why is he not exonerated?

    To me its the master of the Iran Contra coverup back to perform his magic.

    I took it to say that there was no findings of collusion with Russia, but that  Trump may have obstructed the investigation but not enough to be charged.  So, no Russia collusion but likely some lies by the President.

    So I took it that the investigation was whether there was collusion and the answer is a clear no.
    I look forward to watch people claim Trump obstructed an investigation into a crime he never committed. Please. Keep going. I want to spike more footballs. I am not yet sick of the winning.
    Wait, what? How did you win?  What did you have to do with anything? 
    To me the win is not having a trial for the next two years. Instead of watergate/lewinsky 2.0 we can now go back to work and attempt to fix the many problems we have in the us.  

    Completely agree.  Now we can focus on the anemic GDP growth as further proof that trickle down economics doesn't work. That will be the election albatross. 
    How about I am facing the biggest tax  increase I ever faced in my life, a gift from a republican president and republican Congress .

    Trump governs only to his 40% base that lives in red states, and his followers wonder why everyone else hates him. 
    You want people in red states to continue subsidizing your services? Protest your Governor not your President. 

    As with most everything from Trump supporters, that is completely false. 

    Money flows from blue states to red states:

    "THE FACTS:

    Connecticut residents paid an average of $15,643 per person in federal taxes in 2015, according to a report by the Rockefeller Institute of Government. Massachusetts paid $13,582 per person, New Jersey paid $13,137 and New York paid $12,820.

    California residents paid an average of $10,510.

    At the other end, Mississippi residents paid an average of $5,740 per person, while West Virginia paid $6,349, Kentucky paid $6,626 and South Carolina paid $6,665.

    Low-tax red states also fare better when you take into account federal spending.

    Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar the state sent to Washington in 2015, according to the Rockefeller study. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky got $1.90 and South Carolina got $1.71.

    Meanwhile, New Jersey received 74 cents in federal spending for tax every dollar the state sent to Washington. New York received 81 cents, Connecticut received 82 cents and Massachusetts received 83 cents."


    https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

     

    Exactly, in every analysis you can do, blue states are donors to the federal government. BS's talking point there was reflective of someone who knows just a little about American politics; enough to declare something totally inaccurate with authority.  
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,678
    I kinda hope the full report is not released.  That shadow of a doubt is all we have...
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 12,318
    my2hands said:
    So Trump is either a total moron, or is a diabolical criminal mastermind in a vast international conspiracy

    Can we make up our minds on this one?

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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,753
    edited March 25
    OnWis97 said:
    I kinda hope the full report is not released.  That shadow of a doubt is all we have...
    I don't. The sooner it's released the quicker the media can quit speculating more conspiracies that will only vindicate Trump more in the eyes of his supporters when they are proven wrong. Release the whole thing and then someone put together the crib notes for simpletons to understand. Even 4 page memos are too much for some people. They'll leave it to Hannity and Colbert to stroke they're bias one way or another.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,135
    Joint Statement of Judiciary Chair Nadler, Intelligence Chair Schiff and Oversight Chair Cummings

    Mar 24, 2019 
    Press Release

    Washington, D.C. (Mar. 24, 2019)—Today, House Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-CA), and Committee on Oversight and Reform Chairman Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD) released the following joint statement in response to Attorney General William Barr’s letter sharing the principle conclusions in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s final report:

    "After reading the Attorney General’s four-page summary of the Special Counsel’s findings, we reiterate our call for the release of the Special Counsel’s full and complete report and all underlying documents.  We also call for Attorney General Barr to come forward to testify before the House Judiciary Committee without delay.  Far from the ‘total exoneration’ claimed by the President, the Mueller report expressly does not exonerate the President.  Instead, it ‘sets out evidence on both sides of the question’ of obstruction—including the evidence that President Trump attempted to obstruct justice.  

    "It is unacceptable that, after Special Counsel Mueller spent 22 months meticulously uncovering this evidence, Attorney General Barr made a decision not to charge the President in under 48 hours.  The Attorney General did so without even interviewing the President.  His unsolicited, open memorandum to the Department of Justice, suggesting that the obstruction investigation was ‘fatally misconceived,’ calls into question his objectivity on this point in particular.

    "Attorney General Barr states that the Special Counsel did not find evidence sufficient to establish beyond a reasonable doubt, for purposes of prosecution, that the Trump campaign conspired to join Russia’s election-related online disinformation and hacking and dissemination efforts, notwithstanding multiple offers from Russian-affiliated parties to assist the Trump campaign.

    "Although we have confidence that Special Counsel Mueller made the right prosecutorial judgement in these two specific areas—notwithstanding the very public evidence of Trump campaign contact with and willingness to receive support from Russian agents—it will be vital for the country and the Congress to evaluate the full body of evidence collected by the Special Counsel, including all information gathered of a counterintelligence nature.

    "The only information the Congress and the American people have received regarding this investigation is the Attorney General’s own work product.  The Special Counsel’s Report should be allowed to speak for itself, and Congress must have the opportunity to evaluate the underlying evidence. 

    "These shortcomings in today’s letter are the very reason our nation has a system of separation of powers.  We cannot simply rely on what may be a partisan interpretation of facts uncovered during the course of a 22-month review of possible wrongdoing by the President. 

    "The American people deserve to see the facts and judge the President’s actions for themselves.

    "Earlier this month, the House passed a resolution calling for the release of the Special Counsel’s report by a vote of 420-0.  The Attorney General must release the report and the underlying evidence in full, and appear before the House Judiciary Committee to answer our questions without delay."

    ###



    https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/joint-statement-of-judiciary-chair-nadler-intelligence-chair-schiff-and
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,423
    Haven't read this whole thread and to be honest was more interested in the NCAA Tournament this weekend so forgive me if this has been discussed.  But I want to see the whole report because I need to know how it's possible that Don Jr.s meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower is not considered collusion.  
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 12,318
    edited March 25
    dignin said:
    Joint Statement of Judiciary Chair Nadler, Intelligence Chair Schiff and Oversight Chair Cummings

    Mar 24, 2019 
    Press Release

    Washington, D.C. (Mar. 24, 2019)—Today, House Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-CA), and Committee on Oversight and Reform Chairman Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD) released the following joint statement in response to Attorney General William Barr’s letter sharing the principle conclusions in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s final report:

    "After reading the Attorney General’s four-page summary of the Special Counsel’s findings, we reiterate our call for the release of the Special Counsel’s full and complete report and all underlying documents.  We also call for Attorney General Barr to come forward to testify before the House Judiciary Committee without delay.  Far from the ‘total exoneration’ claimed by the President, the Mueller report expressly does not exonerate the President.  Instead, it ‘sets out evidence on both sides of the question’ of obstruction—including the evidence that President Trump attempted to obstruct justice.  

    "It is unacceptable that, after Special Counsel Mueller spent 22 months meticulously uncovering this evidence, Attorney General Barr made a decision not to charge the President in under 48 hours.  The Attorney General did so without even interviewing the President.  His unsolicited, open memorandum to the Department of Justice, suggesting that the obstruction investigation was ‘fatally misconceived,’ calls into question his objectivity on this point in particular.

    "Attorney General Barr states that the Special Counsel did not find evidence sufficient to establish beyond a reasonable doubt, for purposes of prosecution, that the Trump campaign conspired to join Russia’s election-related online disinformation and hacking and dissemination efforts, notwithstanding multiple offers from Russian-affiliated parties to assist the Trump campaign.

    "Although we have confidence that Special Counsel Mueller made the right prosecutorial judgement in these two specific areas—notwithstanding the very public evidence of Trump campaign contact with and willingness to receive support from Russian agents—it will be vital for the country and the Congress to evaluate the full body of evidence collected by the Special Counsel, including all information gathered of a counterintelligence nature.

    "The only information the Congress and the American people have received regarding this investigation is the Attorney General’s own work product.  The Special Counsel’s Report should be allowed to speak for itself, and Congress must have the opportunity to evaluate the underlying evidence. 

    "These shortcomings in today’s letter are the very reason our nation has a system of separation of powers.  We cannot simply rely on what may be a partisan interpretation of facts uncovered during the course of a 22-month review of possible wrongdoing by the President. 

    "The American people deserve to see the facts and judge the President’s actions for themselves.

    "Earlier this month, the House passed a resolution calling for the release of the Special Counsel’s report by a vote of 420-0.  The Attorney General must release the report and the underlying evidence in full, and appear before the House Judiciary Committee to answer our questions without delay."

    ###



    https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/joint-statement-of-judiciary-chair-nadler-intelligence-chair-schiff-and
    American politics is like a TV-show on a basic cable channel. 

    Democrats writing statements just for CNN etc to read out loud on air (I'm guessing?). Attorney Generals coming to conclusions within 48 hours on his own - TV-speed! and democrats complaining about the speed without knowing what's inside the Mueller report. 

    Why not chill out instead of playing Ally McBeal-politics at every turn.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,678
    tbergs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I kinda hope the full report is not released.  That shadow of a doubt is all we have...
    I don't. The sooner it's released the quicker the media can quit speculating more conspiracies that will only vindicate Trump more in the eyes of his supporters when they are proven wrong. Release the whole thing and then someone put together the crib notes for simpletons to understand. Even 4 page memos are too much for some people. They'll leave it to Hannity and Colbert to stroke they're bias one way or another.
    That's a good point.  Sooner it's released, the sooner we can move on.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,870
    dignin said:
    Joint Statement of Judiciary Chair Nadler, Intelligence Chair Schiff and Oversight Chair Cummings

    Mar 24, 2019 
    Press Release

    Washington, D.C. (Mar. 24, 2019)—Today, House Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-CA), and Committee on Oversight and Reform Chairman Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD) released the following joint statement in response to Attorney General William Barr’s letter sharing the principle conclusions in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s final report:

    "After reading the Attorney General’s four-page summary of the Special Counsel’s findings, we reiterate our call for the release of the Special Counsel’s full and complete report and all underlying documents.  We also call for Attorney General Barr to come forward to testify before the House Judiciary Committee without delay.  Far from the ‘total exoneration’ claimed by the President, the Mueller report expressly does not exonerate the President.  Instead, it ‘sets out evidence on both sides of the question’ of obstruction—including the evidence that President Trump attempted to obstruct justice.  

    "It is unacceptable that, after Special Counsel Mueller spent 22 months meticulously uncovering this evidence, Attorney General Barr made a decision not to charge the President in under 48 hours.  The Attorney General did so without even interviewing the President.  His unsolicited, open memorandum to the Department of Justice, suggesting that the obstruction investigation was ‘fatally misconceived,’ calls into question his objectivity on this point in particular.

    "Attorney General Barr states that the Special Counsel did not find evidence sufficient to establish beyond a reasonable doubt, for purposes of prosecution, that the Trump campaign conspired to join Russia’s election-related online disinformation and hacking and dissemination efforts, notwithstanding multiple offers from Russian-affiliated parties to assist the Trump campaign.

    "Although we have confidence that Special Counsel Mueller made the right prosecutorial judgement in these two specific areas—notwithstanding the very public evidence of Trump campaign contact with and willingness to receive support from Russian agents—it will be vital for the country and the Congress to evaluate the full body of evidence collected by the Special Counsel, including all information gathered of a counterintelligence nature.

    "The only information the Congress and the American people have received regarding this investigation is the Attorney General’s own work product.  The Special Counsel’s Report should be allowed to speak for itself, and Congress must have the opportunity to evaluate the underlying evidence. 

    "These shortcomings in today’s letter are the very reason our nation has a system of separation of powers.  We cannot simply rely on what may be a partisan interpretation of facts uncovered during the course of a 22-month review of possible wrongdoing by the President. 

    "The American people deserve to see the facts and judge the President’s actions for themselves.

    "Earlier this month, the House passed a resolution calling for the release of the Special Counsel’s report by a vote of 420-0.  The Attorney General must release the report and the underlying evidence in full, and appear before the House Judiciary Committee to answer our questions without delay."

    ###



    https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/joint-statement-of-judiciary-chair-nadler-intelligence-chair-schiff-and
    American politics is like a TV-show on a basic cable channel. 

    Democrats writing statements just for CNN etc to read out loud on air (I'm guessing?). Attorney Generals coming to conclusions within 48 hours on his own - TV-speed! and democrats complaining about the speed without knowing what's inside the Mueller report. 

    Why not chill out instead of playing Ally McBeal-politics at every turn.
    There's an old saying that politics is show-business for ugly people. 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,020
    edited March 25
    my2hands said:
    2 years to indict Roger Stone for talking about Podesta's worthless emails... and Manafort for tax & loan issues well before the Trump campaign....

    Sweet lol




    Charges219 ⇶⇶⇶Aggravated identity theft118
    Indictments
    37
    Assisting in the preparation of false tax returns5
    Subpoenas5+S
    Bank fraud8
    Grand Jury Subpoenas18+P
    Bank fraud conspiracy10
    Grand Jury Testimony12E
    Conspiracy against the United States2
    Private Interviews40C
    Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States13

    Questioning by FBI14I
    Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud3Search Warrants9A
    Conspiracy to defraud the United States16
    Arrests3L
    Conspiracy to launder money12
    Guilty Pleas7
    Conspiracy to obstruct justice2
    Guilty Verdicts1C
    Failure to report foreign bank and financial accounts7
    Sentences2O
    False and misleading FARA statements1
    Past Trials1U
    False statements6
    Current trials0N
    Filing a false amended return1
    Future trials2S
    Filing false tax returns5U.S. Nationals5E
    Identity fraud1Dutch Nationals1L
    Obstruction of justice2
    Russian Nationals14
    Subscribing to false tax returns5
    Russian Organizations3
    Unregistered agent of a foreign principal2
    GRU Officers12


    ...

    Not included above...

    GOP operatives indicted for helping to launder Russian money thru the NRA for republicans...

    Why is that ok ?
    Post edited by Lerxst1992 on
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 12,318
    my2hands said:
    2 years to indict Roger Stone for talking about Podesta's worthless emails... and Manafort for tax & loan issues well before the Trump campaign....

    Sweet lol


    Why are you making excused for people acting shitty and criminal? 


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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,066
    Russian troops land in Venezuela? Am I missing something here? Is this an issue or not? How does McDonald respond to this? Is a response necessary?

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-reports/ar-BBVb002?ocid=spartanntp
    WOW, no one commented on this?
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,066
    my2hands said:
    2 years to indict Roger Stone for talking about Podesta's worthless emails... and Manafort for tax & loan issues well before the Trump campaign....

    Sweet lol




    Charges219 ⇶⇶⇶Aggravated identity theft118
    Indictments
    37
    Assisting in the preparation of false tax returns5
    Subpoenas5+S
    Bank fraud8
    Grand Jury Subpoenas18+P
    Bank fraud conspiracy10
    Grand Jury Testimony12E
    Conspiracy against the United States2
    Private Interviews40C
    Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States13

    Questioning by FBI14I
    Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud3Search Warrants9A
    Conspiracy to defraud the United States16
    Arrests3L
    Conspiracy to launder money12
    Guilty Pleas7
    Conspiracy to obstruct justice2
    Guilty Verdicts1C
    Failure to report foreign bank and financial accounts7
    Sentences2O
    False and misleading FARA statements1
    Past Trials1U
    False statements6
    Current trials0N
    Filing a false amended return1
    Future trials2S
    Filing false tax returns5U.S. Nationals5E
    Identity fraud1Dutch Nationals1L
    Obstruction of justice2
    Russian Nationals14
    Subscribing to false tax returns5
    Russian Organizations3
    Unregistered agent of a foreign principal2
    GRU Officers12


    ...

    Not included above...

    GOP operatives indicted for helping to launder Russian money thru the NRA for republicans...

    Why is that ok ?
    "GOP operatives indicted for helping to launder Russian money thru the NRA for republicans..."

    Where did you dig that up from?
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,753
    Russian troops land in Venezuela? Am I missing something here? Is this an issue or not? How does McDonald respond to this? Is a response necessary?

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-reports/ar-BBVb002?ocid=spartanntp
    WOW, no one commented on this?
    Yeah, not even the WH. Go figure.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    my2hands said:
    2 years to indict Roger Stone for talking about Podesta's worthless emails... and Manafort for tax & loan issues well before the Trump campaign....

    Sweet lol




    Charges219 ⇶⇶⇶Aggravated identity theft118
    Indictments
    37
    Assisting in the preparation of false tax returns5
    Subpoenas5+S
    Bank fraud8
    Grand Jury Subpoenas18+P
    Bank fraud conspiracy10
    Grand Jury Testimony12E
    Conspiracy against the United States2
    Private Interviews40C
    Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States13

    Questioning by FBI14I
    Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud3Search Warrants9A
    Conspiracy to defraud the United States16
    Arrests3L
    Conspiracy to launder money12
    Guilty Pleas7
    Conspiracy to obstruct justice2
    Guilty Verdicts1C
    Failure to report foreign bank and financial accounts7
    Sentences2O
    False and misleading FARA statements1
    Past Trials1U
    False statements6
    Current trials0N
    Filing a false amended return1
    Future trials2S
    Filing false tax returns5U.S. Nationals5E
    Identity fraud1Dutch Nationals1L
    Obstruction of justice2
    Russian Nationals14
    Subscribing to false tax returns5
    Russian Organizations3
    Unregistered agent of a foreign principal2
    GRU Officers12


    ...

    Not included above...

    GOP operatives indicted for helping to launder Russian money thru the NRA for republicans...

    Why is that ok ?
    Ummmmmm, ok? Lol
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 11,814
    Russian troops land in Venezuela? Am I missing something here? Is this an issue or not? How does McDonald respond to this? Is a response necessary?

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-reports/ar-BBVb002?ocid=spartanntp
    WOW, no one commented on this?
    I must have missed it.. It's a problem.  Russia sees it as payback for our interference in their sphere of influence.  Trump is in a huge box on this one, as we blatantly pushed for a coup and it hasn't happened.  I don't see how it happens now, with Russia and China backing Maduro.  
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