Donald Trump

Ledbetterman10

igotid88 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

igotid88 said:

Speaking of fake news. Have you guys seen those WalkAway ads? Using stock photos of people claiming to be former dems who now support Trump

1) There's actually a lot of videos on YouTube and most of them seem pretty genuine.

2) They're not all necessarily former dems who now support Trump. I'm a prime example. I left the democratic party a year ago (well before this Walk Away hashtag) out of hatred for liberalism, but I certainly didn't embrace Trump or any of his lunacy.

liberalism is not a bad word. Unless you don't want civil, equal, and worker's rights. 

Didn't say it was a bad word. Nor do I think all aspects of liberalism are bad. I'm for equal rights and civil liberties, ya know, the good stuff the liberals preach. But I'm against PC Culture. I'm against open borders. I'm against Black Lives Matter (the actual movement, not the concept it's based on). And I'm certainly against any sort of push for socialism.

PJ_Soul

Ledbetterman10 said:

igotid88 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

igotid88 said:

Speaking of fake news. Have you guys seen those WalkAway ads? Using stock photos of people claiming to be former dems who now support Trump

1) There's actually a lot of videos on YouTube and most of them seem pretty genuine.

2) They're not all necessarily former dems who now support Trump. I'm a prime example. I left the democratic party a year ago (well before this Walk Away hashtag) out of hatred for liberalism, but I certainly didn't embrace Trump or any of his lunacy.

liberalism is not a bad word. Unless you don't want civil, equal, and worker's rights. 

Didn't say it was a bad word. Nor do I think all aspects of liberalism are bad. I'm for equal rights and civil liberties, ya know, the good stuff the liberals preach. But I'm against PC Culture. I'm against open borders. I'm against Black Lives Matter (the actual movement, not the concept it's based on). And I'm certainly against any sort of push for socialism.

Then you might want to find a better way to express your sentiments, because "hatred for liberalism" definitely is giving the wrong impression.

Ledbetterman10

PJ_Soul said:

igotid88 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

igotid88 said:

Speaking of fake news. Have you guys seen those WalkAway ads? Using stock photos of people claiming to be former dems who now support Trump

1) There's actually a lot of videos on YouTube and most of them seem pretty genuine.

2) They're not all necessarily former dems who now support Trump. I'm a prime example. I left the democratic party a year ago (well before this Walk Away hashtag) out of hatred for liberalism, but I certainly didn't embrace Trump or any of his lunacy.

liberalism is not a bad word. Unless you don't want civil, equal, and worker's rights. 

Really. I was going to say.... Ledbetterman10, how can you have such a "hatred" of liberalism unless you are letting extremes and serious biases colour your perspective? I'd love to hear your definition of liberalism so that you think that... I would suggest that you find a new word to describe what it is you hate, because using "liberalism" comes off as pretty strange. 

That's fair. Let me rephrase. I do hate the extremes (both on the left and the right) and I hate the actual two parties themselves. I just can't be apart of being on one side or the other anymore because I never really was. I registered as a democrat when I was 18 because my father is one. But my views can go either way depending on the topic. For example, I'm very pro-choice (liberal) and very pro-gun (conservative). And it's hard to be in one party or the other when you're like that.

If it was the Republican party that I left, I probably would have said I left because I hate conservatism, as I said I left the Dems because I hate liberalism. But neither are completely true.

Go Beavers

I don’t get the open borders thing. Who in any position of power is calling for open borders? And what’s PC culture?

cincybearcat

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

igotid88 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

igotid88 said:

Speaking of fake news. Have you guys seen those WalkAway ads? Using stock photos of people claiming to be former dems who now support Trump

1) There's actually a lot of videos on YouTube and most of them seem pretty genuine.

2) They're not all necessarily former dems who now support Trump. I'm a prime example. I left the democratic party a year ago (well before this Walk Away hashtag) out of hatred for liberalism, but I certainly didn't embrace Trump or any of his lunacy.

liberalism is not a bad word. Unless you don't want civil, equal, and worker's rights. 

Really. I was going to say.... Ledbetterman10, how can you have such a "hatred" of liberalism unless you are letting extremes and serious biases colour your perspective? I'd love to hear your definition of liberalism so that you think that... I would suggest that you find a new word to describe what it is you hate, because using "liberalism" comes off as pretty strange. 

That's fair. Let me rephrase. I do hate the extremes (both on the left and the right) and I hate the actual two parties themselves. I just can't be apart of being on one side or the other anymore because I never really was. I registered as a democrat when I was 18 because my father is one. But my views can go either way depending on the topic. For example, I'm very pro-choice (liberal) and very pro-gun (conservative). And it's hard to be in one party or the other when you're like that.

If it was the Republican party that I left, I probably would have said I left because I hate conservatism, as I said I left the Dems because I hate liberalism. But neither are completely true.

Well if you do find a party in the future let me know....cause based on your 2 examples I'm on the exact opposite end of the spectrum and I will want to join the rival party!

PJ_Soul

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

igotid88 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

igotid88 said:

Speaking of fake news. Have you guys seen those WalkAway ads? Using stock photos of people claiming to be former dems who now support Trump

1) There's actually a lot of videos on YouTube and most of them seem pretty genuine.

2) They're not all necessarily former dems who now support Trump. I'm a prime example. I left the democratic party a year ago (well before this Walk Away hashtag) out of hatred for liberalism, but I certainly didn't embrace Trump or any of his lunacy.

liberalism is not a bad word. Unless you don't want civil, equal, and worker's rights. 

Really. I was going to say.... Ledbetterman10, how can you have such a "hatred" of liberalism unless you are letting extremes and serious biases colour your perspective? I'd love to hear your definition of liberalism so that you think that... I would suggest that you find a new word to describe what it is you hate, because using "liberalism" comes off as pretty strange. 

That's fair. Let me rephrase. I do hate the extremes (both on the left and the right) and I hate the actual two parties themselves. I just can't be apart of being on one side or the other anymore because I never really was. I registered as a democrat when I was 18 because my father is one. But my views can go either way depending on the topic. For example, I'm very pro-choice (liberal) and very pro-gun (conservative). And it's hard to be in one party or the other when you're like that.

If it was the Republican party that I left, I probably would have said I left because I hate conservatism, as I said I left the Dems because I hate liberalism. But neither are completely true.

Definitely not. Sounds like you simply don't like particular perspectives when it comes to particular topics. Maybe you should just leave it at that instead of claiming a hatred for liberalism, since you actually don't even seem to have one. FWIW, you are NEVER going to find a party and probably not any politician running for office who will perfectly match what you want. We all have to take the bad with the good when it comes to voting or party ties. If you want to just say you support independent candidates or something, great... But don't block yourself off to all major party candidates just because they're with that party. I'd say that generalizing never really works when you're responsibly choosing who to vote for.

Ledbetterman10

Go Beavers said:

I don’t get the open borders thing. Who in any position of power is calling for open borders? And what’s PC culture?

Not literal open borders but Dems don't seem to be hard enough on illegal immigrants. They always want to give them a path to citizenship so that they'll eventually vote democratic.

And PC stands for political correctness.

Go Beavers

Ledbetterman10 said:

Go Beavers said:

I don’t get the open borders thing. Who in any position of power is calling for open borders? And what’s PC culture?

Not literal open borders but Dems don't seem to be hard enough on illegal immigrants. They always want to give them a path to citizenship so that they'll eventually vote democratic.

And PC stands for political correctness.

I don’t know about always, and aside of your cynicism, I see dems push for wrapping up things for people who qualify under the dreamers act.

I know pc stands for political correctness, I’m asking what exactly ‘pc culture’ is.   

Ledbetterman10

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

igotid88 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

igotid88 said:

Speaking of fake news. Have you guys seen those WalkAway ads? Using stock photos of people claiming to be former dems who now support Trump

1) There's actually a lot of videos on YouTube and most of them seem pretty genuine.

2) They're not all necessarily former dems who now support Trump. I'm a prime example. I left the democratic party a year ago (well before this Walk Away hashtag) out of hatred for liberalism, but I certainly didn't embrace Trump or any of his lunacy.

liberalism is not a bad word. Unless you don't want civil, equal, and worker's rights. 

Really. I was going to say.... Ledbetterman10, how can you have such a "hatred" of liberalism unless you are letting extremes and serious biases colour your perspective? I'd love to hear your definition of liberalism so that you think that... I would suggest that you find a new word to describe what it is you hate, because using "liberalism" comes off as pretty strange. 

That's fair. Let me rephrase. I do hate the extremes (both on the left and the right) and I hate the actual two parties themselves. I just can't be apart of being on one side or the other anymore because I never really was. I registered as a democrat when I was 18 because my father is one. But my views can go either way depending on the topic. For example, I'm very pro-choice (liberal) and very pro-gun (conservative). And it's hard to be in one party or the other when you're like that.

If it was the Republican party that I left, I probably would have said I left because I hate conservatism, as I said I left the Dems because I hate liberalism. But neither are completely true.

Definitely not. Sounds like you simply don't like particular perspectives when it comes to particular topics. Maybe you should just leave it at that instead of claiming a hatred for liberalism, since you actually don't even seem to have one. FWIW, you are NEVER going to find a party and probably not any politician running for office who will perfectly match what you want. We all have to take the bad with the good when it comes to voting or party ties. If you want to just say you support independent candidates or something, great... But don't block yourself off to all major party candidates just because they're with that party. I'd say that generalizing never really works when you're responsibly choosing who to vote for.

Oh no I'm not doing that. I'm not looking for a party to join, but I don't intend to support independent party candidates either because that's just a waste of my vote. I just don't want to be affiliated with either party. But I'll vote for the dem or repub if I like them.

PJ_Soul

Ledbetterman10 said:

Go Beavers said:

I don’t get the open borders thing. Who in any position of power is calling for open borders? And what’s PC culture?

Not literal open borders but Dems don't seem to be hard enough on illegal immigrants. They always want to give them a path to citizenship so that they'll eventually vote democratic.

And PC stands for political correctness.

Let's say you HAVE to choose between not being hard enough on illegal immigrants (who are a major contributor to the American economy - that is undeniable), and a campaign of hate and extremism against illegal immigrants, which is what we're seeing with the GOP now. Which one do you choose? I would think that would be an easy choice for any non-racist, frankly.

As for PC culture... I think it's insanity to attribute that to liberalism. I think this "PC Culture" thing railed against by conservatives is an exercise in irrationality.

Ledbetterman10

Go Beavers said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Go Beavers said:

I don’t get the open borders thing. Who in any position of power is calling for open borders? And what’s PC culture?

Not literal open borders but Dems don't seem to be hard enough on illegal immigrants. They always want to give them a path to citizenship so that they'll eventually vote democratic.

And PC stands for political correctness.

I don’t know about always, and aside of your cynicism, I see dems push for wrapping up things for people who qualify under the dreamers act.

I know pc stands for political correctness, I’m asking what exactly ‘pc culture’ is.   

I'd describe it as putting too much stock into political correctness or attempting to censor people that say things that might offend someone. Season 19 of South Park would give a better explanation than I could...when they introduced "PC Principal."

PJ_Soul

Ledbetterman10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Go Beavers said:

I don’t get the open borders thing. Who in any position of power is calling for open borders? And what’s PC culture?

Not literal open borders but Dems don't seem to be hard enough on illegal immigrants. They always want to give them a path to citizenship so that they'll eventually vote democratic.

And PC stands for political correctness.

I don’t know about always, and aside of your cynicism, I see dems push for wrapping up things for people who qualify under the dreamers act.

I know pc stands for political correctness, I’m asking what exactly ‘pc culture’ is.   

I'd describe it as putting too much stock into political correctness or attempting to censor people that say things that might offend someone. Season 19 of South Park would give a better explanation than I could...when they introduced "PC Principal."

This is simply not something done by a whole big group of people with particular politics, and is just as common among those who are conservative as it is among those considered liberal. At the end of the day, "PC Culture" is carried out across the political spectrum by "morons". All the reasonably intelligent people understand how to distinguish between and navigate through stupid bullshit, offensive garbage, empathy, being decent, and rationality. The "PC culture" argument against "liberals" is just another propaganda tool being utilized by conservatives, and apparently it's working real well.

ikiT

BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Halifax2TheMax

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Go Beavers said:

I don’t get the open borders thing. Who in any position of power is calling for open borders? And what’s PC culture?

Not literal open borders but Dems don't seem to be hard enough on illegal immigrants. They always want to give them a path to citizenship so that they'll eventually vote democratic.

And PC stands for political correctness.

I don’t know about always, and aside of your cynicism, I see dems push for wrapping up things for people who qualify under the dreamers act.

I know pc stands for political correctness, I’m asking what exactly ‘pc culture’ is.   

I'd describe it as putting too much stock into political correctness or attempting to censor people that say things that might offend someone. Season 19 of South Park would give a better explanation than I could...when they introduced "PC Principal."

This is simply not something done by a whole big group of people with particular politics, and is just as common among those who are conservative as it is among those considered liberal. At the end of the day, "PC Culture" is carried out across the political spectrum by "morons". All the reasonably intelligent people understand how to distinguish between and navigate through stupid bullshit, offensive garbage, empathy, being decent, and rationality. The "PC culture" argument against "liberals" is just another propaganda tool being utilized by conservatives, and apparently it's working real well.

Do you mean to tell me that there really isn't a war on Christmas?

ikiT

MORE PIPELINES!

ikiT

Black Lives Matter, stupid

PJ_Soul

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Go Beavers said:

I don’t get the open borders thing. Who in any position of power is calling for open borders? And what’s PC culture?

Not literal open borders but Dems don't seem to be hard enough on illegal immigrants. They always want to give them a path to citizenship so that they'll eventually vote democratic.

And PC stands for political correctness.

I don’t know about always, and aside of your cynicism, I see dems push for wrapping up things for people who qualify under the dreamers act.

I know pc stands for political correctness, I’m asking what exactly ‘pc culture’ is.   

I'd describe it as putting too much stock into political correctness or attempting to censor people that say things that might offend someone. Season 19 of South Park would give a better explanation than I could...when they introduced "PC Principal."

This is simply not something done by a whole big group of people with particular politics, and is just as common among those who are conservative as it is among those considered liberal. At the end of the day, "PC Culture" is carried out across the political spectrum by "morons". All the reasonably intelligent people understand how to distinguish between and navigate through stupid bullshit, offensive garbage, empathy, being decent, and rationality. The "PC culture" argument against "liberals" is just another propaganda tool being utilized by conservatives, and apparently it's working real well.

Do you mean to tell me that there really isn't a war on Christmas?

ikiT

 All a big hoax...

ikiT

It's impossible to be on both sides.

Ledbetterman10

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Go Beavers said:

I don’t get the open borders thing. Who in any position of power is calling for open borders? And what’s PC culture?

Not literal open borders but Dems don't seem to be hard enough on illegal immigrants. They always want to give them a path to citizenship so that they'll eventually vote democratic.

And PC stands for political correctness.

Let's say you HAVE to choose between not being hard enough on illegal immigrants (who are a major contributor to the American economy - that is undeniable), and a campaign of hate and extremism against illegal immigrants, which is what we're seeing with the GOP now. Which one do you choose? I would think that would be an easy choice for any non-racist, frankly.

As for PC culture... I think it's insanity to attribute that to liberalism. I think this "PC Culture" thing railed against by conservatives is an exercise in irrationality.

Well if I HAD to choose I'd choose the former. But I don't have to choose. I could be against illegal immigration AND be against Trump. It's possible.

And I'm not sure that is undeniable that illegal immigrants contribute to the American economy. I think you're confusing illegals with refugees. They undoubtedly contribute.