Ticket pricing

timbo1972

Sigur Ros at the same venue is cheaper. Oh, wait, everything at the same venue is cheaper....

dottles

Long post ahead -
Just whilst there are comments about venue size. The arena EV is playing in Dublin is the one that PJ played in 2010.
These venues are much bigger than the last time he toured Europe, and they lack charm that brings about the feeling of intensity.

I think that the concerns and complaints over the prices of the tickets are justified. £100 is a hell of a lot of money when you consider the average wage vs the cost of living in a lot of areas of the UK for sure. People will always compare to other artists, and the amount they pay to see them. Some bands charge £20 a ticket, that is five shows for the same price. If you are passionate about both EV and the other band, who do you choose. What is the best value, what will bring you the best experience and memories. It's a personal decision.

I think also there is the feeling of losing touch with the band. I have been to 28 PJ shows in the last seven years, plus three EV solo shows. I have toured Europe and been to the USA and Canada. Part of my love of this was the people I met when travelling, seeing new places, experiencing new things. The increase in ticket prices, no matter how they are justified/reflects inflation, means that level of touring will now not happen again for most people. The sense of community wanes and I certainly have noticed its demise over the last seven years.

My minimum travel, to my closest gig is six hours, which means a hotel for at least one night, and two/ three days off work travelling up/back and show day. It's not just the ticket price but also the enablers that wrap around it.

MRMACPHISTO75

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but before Brexit the price for London would have been around £80. But due to the dollar dropping from circa $1.50 to $1.20 the price has obviously increased! If EV charges in $ per show then the promoter is going to have to charge more in sterling. I'm still deciding what to do, Tuesday and Wednesday are not the best nights as it is a couple of days off work and hotels etc.

dimitrispearljam

ill give u an exable..
im going to dave matyhew -tim reynolds shows at different cities of march- april vienna - prague
same artist,same capacity of venues..same show,same promoter..
one show has 140 euros per tix,the other has 60 euros!!!!
all has to do with the venue and the promoter set prices cos of that..
one is the famous symphonic orchestra plays,kick ass acoustic one of the best in europe..the one ion prague is a normal small theater..
the artist gets the same fee and has nothing to do with the prices
the promoter to book the venue and pay the artist sets the prices so he earl money and not lose,,at one venue price is 140 euros,..the other 60 euros

HesCalledDyer

People have no problem getting tickets to 9-10 PJ shows per tour, travel, merch, etc. But $40-50 more per ticket to see EV (smaller, more intimate show, fewer dates, etc) and you'd think the world was ending. I never cease to be amazed around here.

texasistheSTEVEN

In London £100 gig tickets are very rare, I think this is the part that people are overlooking.

Big artists in big venues, big artists in small venues, mid level bands in mid levels venues, it's very very rare that £100 is the norm.
Sting is playing the same venue as EV and it's £60.00

You can espouse rhetoric on touring, market forces, the weak pound, brexit, downloads, any number of about 50 other things I've read tonight but the straight fact is that £100 for EV at Hammersmith Apollo is extortion and a rip off.
Notably when it was £50 5 years ago. A 50% markup is chancing of the highest order

If you go I hope you have a lovely time as his solo live he is amazing but at those prices i'll be passing.

tino_11

kevtic said:

Ed Sheeran one of the biggest tours to sell in recent times is only £77 a ticket. i could go on but you get the picture.

If Ed Sheeran is £77 a ticket, Eddie should charge £770.

I get the shock at the pricing, and I would be gutted if I couldn't actually afford it. If you do have a choice, I would say suck the price up and forget about it. We don't get EV solo here too often, take the opportunity whilst you can.

JimmyV

texasistheSTEVEN said:

In London £100 gig tickets are very rare, I think this is the part that people are overlooking.

Big artists in big venues, big artists in small venues, mid level bands in mid levels venues, it's very very rare that £100 is the norm.
Sting is playing the same venue as EV and it's £60.00

You can espouse rhetoric on touring, market forces, the weak pound, brexit, downloads, any number of about 50 other things I've read tonight but the straight fact is that £100 for EV at Hammersmith Apollo is extortion and a rip off.
Notably when it was £50 5 years ago. A 50% markup is chancing of the highest order

If you go I hope you have a lovely time as his solo live he is amazing but at those prices i'll be passing.

Extortion? Good god.

dottles

HesCalledDyer said:

People have no problem getting tickets to 9-10 PJ shows per tour, travel, merch, etc. But $40-50 more per ticket to see EV (smaller, more intimate show, fewer dates, etc) and you'd think the world was ending. I never cease to be amazed around here.

Not necessarily smaller. EV is playing the same venue in Dublin that PJ played, also not necessarily fewer dates.

pledgeagrievance

HesCalledDyer said:

People have no problem getting tickets to 9-10 PJ shows per tour, travel, merch, etc. But $40-50 more per ticket to see EV (smaller, more intimate show, fewer dates, etc) and you'd think the world was ending. I never cease to be amazed around here.

Agreed.

texasistheSTEVEN

JimmyV said:

texasistheSTEVEN said:

In London £100 gig tickets are very rare, I think this is the part that people are overlooking.

Big artists in big venues, big artists in small venues, mid level bands in mid levels venues, it's very very rare that £100 is the norm.
Sting is playing the same venue as EV and it's £60.00

You can espouse rhetoric on touring, market forces, the weak pound, brexit, downloads, any number of about 50 other things I've read tonight but the straight fact is that £100 for EV at Hammersmith Apollo is extortion and a rip off.
Notably when it was £50 5 years ago. A 50% markup is chancing of the highest order

If you go I hope you have a lovely time as his solo live he is amazing but at those prices i'll be passing.

Extortion? Good god.

So doubling the price is fair?

RP112579

How is everyone supposed to afford to buy multiple posters and other merch to flip on eBay with these ticket prices so high????????

lolobugg

JimmyV said:

texasistheSTEVEN said:

In London £100 gig tickets are very rare, I think this is the part that people are overlooking.

Big artists in big venues, big artists in small venues, mid level bands in mid levels venues, it's very very rare that £100 is the norm.
Sting is playing the same venue as EV and it's £60.00

You can espouse rhetoric on touring, market forces, the weak pound, brexit, downloads, any number of about 50 other things I've read tonight but the straight fact is that £100 for EV at Hammersmith Apollo is extortion and a rip off.
Notably when it was £50 5 years ago. A 50% markup is chancing of the highest order

If you go I hope you have a lovely time as his solo live he is amazing but at those prices i'll be passing.

Extortion? Good god.

someone needs to look into Ed's ties with Russia

Merkin Baller

JimmyV said:

texasistheSTEVEN said:

In London £100 gig tickets are very rare, I think this is the part that people are overlooking.

Big artists in big venues, big artists in small venues, mid level bands in mid levels venues, it's very very rare that £100 is the norm.
Sting is playing the same venue as EV and it's £60.00

You can espouse rhetoric on touring, market forces, the weak pound, brexit, downloads, any number of about 50 other things I've read tonight but the straight fact is that £100 for EV at Hammersmith Apollo is extortion and a rip off.
Notably when it was £50 5 years ago. A 50% markup is chancing of the highest order

If you go I hope you have a lovely time as his solo live he is amazing but at those prices i'll be passing.

Extortion? Good god.

Right? Let's take it down a notch.


Extortion:
ikˈstôrSH(ə)n/
noun
the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.
synonyms: blackmail, shakedown; formalexaction
"arrested on a charge of extortion"

My man Tiki nailed it:

#SCMY

JimmyV

texasistheSTEVEN said:

JimmyV said:

texasistheSTEVEN said:

In London £100 gig tickets are very rare, I think this is the part that people are overlooking.

Big artists in big venues, big artists in small venues, mid level bands in mid levels venues, it's very very rare that £100 is the norm.
Sting is playing the same venue as EV and it's £60.00

You can espouse rhetoric on touring, market forces, the weak pound, brexit, downloads, any number of about 50 other things I've read tonight but the straight fact is that £100 for EV at Hammersmith Apollo is extortion and a rip off.
Notably when it was £50 5 years ago. A 50% markup is chancing of the highest order

If you go I hope you have a lovely time as his solo live he is amazing but at those prices i'll be passing.

Extortion? Good god.

So doubling the price is fair?

The price is the price. Pay it or don't. But claiming that you are being extorted is laughable.

texasistheSTEVEN

JimmyV said:

texasistheSTEVEN said:

JimmyV said:

texasistheSTEVEN said:

In London £100 gig tickets are very rare, I think this is the part that people are overlooking.

Big artists in big venues, big artists in small venues, mid level bands in mid levels venues, it's very very rare that £100 is the norm.
Sting is playing the same venue as EV and it's £60.00

You can espouse rhetoric on touring, market forces, the weak pound, brexit, downloads, any number of about 50 other things I've read tonight but the straight fact is that £100 for EV at Hammersmith Apollo is extortion and a rip off.
Notably when it was £50 5 years ago. A 50% markup is chancing of the highest order

If you go I hope you have a lovely time as his solo live he is amazing but at those prices i'll be passing.

Extortion? Good god.

So doubling the price is fair?

The price is the price. Pay it or don't. But claiming that you are being extorted is laughable.

Accepted. Wrong choice of words.
i'm not paying it......

JimmyV

texasistheSTEVEN said:

JimmyV said:

texasistheSTEVEN said:

JimmyV said:

texasistheSTEVEN said:

In London £100 gig tickets are very rare, I think this is the part that people are overlooking.

Big artists in big venues, big artists in small venues, mid level bands in mid levels venues, it's very very rare that £100 is the norm.
Sting is playing the same venue as EV and it's £60.00

You can espouse rhetoric on touring, market forces, the weak pound, brexit, downloads, any number of about 50 other things I've read tonight but the straight fact is that £100 for EV at Hammersmith Apollo is extortion and a rip off.
Notably when it was £50 5 years ago. A 50% markup is chancing of the highest order

If you go I hope you have a lovely time as his solo live he is amazing but at those prices i'll be passing.

Extortion? Good god.

So doubling the price is fair?

The price is the price. Pay it or don't. But claiming that you are being extorted is laughable.

Accepted. Wrong choice of words.
i'm not paying it......

Fair enough.

mcgruff10

HesCalledDyer said:

People have no problem getting tickets to 9-10 PJ shows per tour, travel, merch, etc. But $40-50 more per ticket to see EV (smaller, more intimate show, fewer dates, etc) and you'd think the world was ending. I never cease to be amazed around here.

The truth has been spoken!

dottles

dimitrispearljam said:

ill give u an exable..
im going to dave matyhew -tim reynolds shows at different cities of march- april vienna - prague
same artist,same capacity of venues..same show,same promoter..
one show has 140 euros per tix,the other has 60 euros!!!!
all has to do with the venue and the promoter set prices cos of that..
one is the famous symphonic orchestra plays,kick ass acoustic one of the best in europe..the one ion prague is a normal small theater..
the artist gets the same fee and has nothing to do with the prices
the promoter to book the venue and pay the artist sets the prices so he earl money and not lose,,at one venue price is 140 euros,..the other 60 euros

But Dimitris, you must understand that no matter what the circumstance behind the price increases, be it a promoter or the artist, the issue is that the inflation of ticket prices isn't matched by the inflation in earnings, and the decreases in currency values. Other acts have not increased prices as much, despite using the same promoters.

Take a ticket/tour cost. Roughly 84% of the gross overall cost, after paying taxes and PRS, is carved up between the band and their promoter.

There are fixed expenses such venue hire, stage hands, venue staff, electricians, power, spotlight hire, scaffolding, barriers, catering, public liability insurance (in case anyone is injured at the show), rigging, medical staff, transport etc. Many times the venue will pay for that out of its cut, but that will depend on the particulars of the deal struck.

That can leave anything between 50% and 70% of the gross, but there are no specific rules as to how that is divided between the act and the promoter. A commonly quoted figure is that the promoter will take 15% of what is left and the act will get 85%. But it will depend on if the promoter really has to work to get the show to sell out or if they are pushing on an open door and demand is so high it sells out in seconds. In those instances, the promoter may get as little as 5%; but for arena shows charging $150 or more for tickets, that 5% quickly adds up.

I have seen that you are not travelling to the UK etc as it will cost you more, you didn't on the last PJ tour either - but did in 2010. Prices for all aspects have increased. Just because people express their concern at the ticket prices, and the impact that has on them does not mean that they are wrong to do so or are devaluing the artist.

kevtic

Merkin Baller said:

kevtic said:

Merkin Baller said:

kevtic said:

Merkin Baller said:

kevtic said:

Merkin Baller said:

Bentleyspop said:

I don't believe that anyone has mentioned on here that bands/musicians no longer make any money off of album/music releases.
The money is made from concert ticket sales, merchandise sales, and licensing for movies, tv, and commercials.

A great point, indeed.

Let's also not overlook the fact that these guys are in their 50s now and have young kids at home, they don't want to be on the road 6 months out of the year. Who would? The idea of him doing 36 Euro dates isn't realistic anymore.

This is true but other acts still seem to be able to do it cheaper with the same family situations. PJ haven't spent six months on the road in a very, very long time.

Like whom?

PJ & EV live shows are in high demand, I would be interested to hear of other acts that are as in demand charging less.

Iron Maiden, U2, GNR. Dave Matthews band are playing Hammersmith at around £60 a ticket. U2 and GNR are bigger acts than PJ and EV, Iron maiden probably are as well. Dave Matthews band i included as they are playing the same venue and have a whole band to account for along with associated costs. They are certainly on a par with EV at least although imagine they are probably a bigger act. Not sure how they would compare to PJ though.

Ed Sheeran one of the biggest tours to sell in recent times is only £77 a ticket. i could go on but you get the picture.

And PJ, as yet, haven't ripped off their UK fans.

Wow, 60 euro for that festival is amazing, and you folks are paying better prices than we are. I just paid $119 after fees for a single night at Boston Calling.

What are U2 & GnR charging for their solo shows? Last year GnR prices in the US were insane to start, but when sales faltered they started dropping.

Based on your post though, it looks like Euro concerts are cheaper than in the US.

UK concerts are way cheaper than the US but the gap is closing as you can see. Some acts are forcing the prices up and others are following them. Too many people are now being priced out. Even some of the smaller gigs that were £25/30 a few years ago are now hitting the £50/60 mark.

U2 is £78 standing. Seated tickets go from £40 up to £187. i think the upper prices are a rip off but at least you have other options.
GNR is £85 up to £95.
Maiden is about £65 from memory.
Dave Matthews as has been pointed out is not the band but 2 band members and it's £52.

Hold on now, if GnR is 85 - 95, and U2's average price is over 100, then Eddie isn't out of line with the 100 price tag, especially not for a 3-5K seat theater.

I misread your earlier post & thought you were paying around 60 Euro for those acts.

Sounds to me like Eddie's shows are priced fairly for the market over there.

Think you're missing the point. Those bands are established high end acts. vedder on his own isn't anywhere close to the size of those bands and U2 and GNR are stadiums gigs. Even though it now appears sites have changed the ticket band pricing for Vedder his top price ticket is still way over priced.