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It's a really good question. I'm trying to figure out what's holding up Republicans because having pence in there would make it much easier for them to get what they want.tempo_n_groove said:
I would think that the GOP would want him removed too if he is that erratic and Pence would presumably play ball?Go Beavers said:
The dems don't have enough votes, and pence sucks hard, but he can be more predictable and his stance would be pretty reagan-like. He can string together words to form complete sentences.tempo_n_groove said:
If so how come no one is reacting? If he broke laws get his ass out then. Are the Dems afraid of who will succeed him?Go Beavers said:
He's already presented us with enough to be impeached. He hired his kids and he profits personally from his position as president, violating the emolument clause.tempo_n_groove said:What I don't understand is that most people on here want Trump to fail. That's what I'm getting out of this thread so far.
Screw up good enough so we can impeach him?
I'd be more scared of what's waiting to succeed him...
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I imagine most of the R's are waiting until mid-terms get closer to decide whether or not it is worth the political risk.Go Beavers said:
It's a really good question. I'm trying to figure out what's holding up Republicans because having pence in there would make it much easier for them to get what they want.tempo_n_groove said:
I would think that the GOP would want him removed too if he is that erratic and Pence would presumably play ball?Go Beavers said:
The dems don't have enough votes, and pence sucks hard, but he can be more predictable and his stance would be pretty reagan-like. He can string together words to form complete sentences.tempo_n_groove said:
If so how come no one is reacting? If he broke laws get his ass out then. Are the Dems afraid of who will succeed him?Go Beavers said:
He's already presented us with enough to be impeached. He hired his kids and he profits personally from his position as president, violating the emolument clause.tempo_n_groove said:What I don't understand is that most people on here want Trump to fail. That's what I'm getting out of this thread so far.
Screw up good enough so we can impeach him?
I'd be more scared of what's waiting to succeed him...
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Great point!CM189191 said:
I imagine most of the R's are waiting until mid-terms get closer to decide whether or not it is worth the political risk.Go Beavers said:
It's a really good question. I'm trying to figure out what's holding up Republicans because having pence in there would make it much easier for them to get what they want.tempo_n_groove said:
I would think that the GOP would want him removed too if he is that erratic and Pence would presumably play ball?Go Beavers said:
The dems don't have enough votes, and pence sucks hard, but he can be more predictable and his stance would be pretty reagan-like. He can string together words to form complete sentences.tempo_n_groove said:
If so how come no one is reacting? If he broke laws get his ass out then. Are the Dems afraid of who will succeed him?Go Beavers said:
He's already presented us with enough to be impeached. He hired his kids and he profits personally from his position as president, violating the emolument clause.tempo_n_groove said:What I don't understand is that most people on here want Trump to fail. That's what I'm getting out of this thread so far.
Screw up good enough so we can impeach him?
I'd be more scared of what's waiting to succeed him...
Merely asking the question.
I recently heard that Trump's voting base is the "Walmart" group (I thought that was a very condescending way to describe them) of people and that if Trump changes taxes, he will lose all of his backers.
I also heard that Trump has the lowest approval rate of any first 100 day president.
So who's voting against him and who's for him?0 -
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To be honest, I was hoping he would grow the fuck up when he took office...even though I didn't vote for him & can't stand him or what he stands for. Maybe it was the optimist in me that thought the light would turn on & he'd actually not be so self-serving. It turns out that was a foolish thought. He's a whiny, arrogant man-baby that is hellbent on destroying the country, along with our place in the world.tempo_n_groove said:What I don't understand is that most people on here want Trump to fail. That's what I'm getting out of this thread so far.
Screw up good enough so we can impeach him?
I'd be more scared of what's waiting to succeed him...
Pence is certainly no saint either. The only thing that I can think of is that he actually has experience and we might have a slightly better chance of him fucking things up less than Trump.I LOVE MUSIC.
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The hardliners in the voting block showed up and meant business at the polls. They are afraid to go against the deplorables.tempo_n_groove said:
I would think that the GOP would want him removed too if he is that erratic and Pence would presumably play ball?Go Beavers said:
The dems don't have enough votes, and pence sucks hard, but he can be more predictable and his stance would be pretty reagan-like. He can string together words to form complete sentences.tempo_n_groove said:
If so how come no one is reacting? If he broke laws get his ass out then. Are the Dems afraid of who will succeed him?Go Beavers said:
He's already presented us with enough to be impeached. He hired his kids and he profits personally from his position as president, violating the emolument clause.tempo_n_groove said:What I don't understand is that most people on here want Trump to fail. That's what I'm getting out of this thread so far.
Screw up good enough so we can impeach him?
I'd be more scared of what's waiting to succeed him...
Merely asking the question.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
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Watching Spicey answer questions about this right now. When asked about proper vetting prior to appointment, his response was along the lines of "we all have to fill out forms and sign our names....sometimes, we sign a form, then things change and that is one the individual."
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There are active investigations by house and senate staff, the FBI and the GAO. You can bet the democrat staff in both houses have a few top notch law school grads who are young and want to make a name for themselves. The house and senate members are just the talking heads and don't do much of the actual "investigating." You can bet that if the repubs don't start playing, based upon evidence unearthed, things will be leaked and made public. And they have a choice as to which side to be on, either uncovering and prosecuting violations of law in one of our nation's sacred principles or covering it up. Also, the GAO is non-partisan and made up of career staffers who care about honesty in government. They're much less likely to politicize the process and allegations but when they're report is issued, voters will expect and demand action. Congress and the GAO have no and owe no loyalty to Trump. Expect this stuff to really start heating up 6-8 months before the 2018 elections. Impeachment will be on the table before 2020.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I would hardly call Pence rational. More rational than Trump maybe. Possibly more predictable too. I have heard him speak, and he can even form full sentences. But I don't know that I would consider Pence rational.The Juggler said:^
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That's precisely the word I've used. Pence scares the shit out of me because of his evangelical beliefs and willingness to force his morality on me, but at least he's predictable in that regard. Trump is a complete wildcard. A loose cannon who isn't driven by any sort of rationality, morality, or intelligence. He reacts very differently to similar situations simply based on how he feels at the moment or what someone just told him or what TV show he might have recently watched.CM189191 said:
I would hardly call Pence rational. More rational than Trump maybe. Possibly more predictable too. I have heard him speak, and he can even form full sentences. But I don't know that I would consider Pence rational.The Juggler said:^
Pence is a rational human being. Pence>Trump"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
Irrational beliefs, but more rational around not making impulsive emotional decisions.CM189191 said:
I would hardly call Pence rational. More rational than Trump maybe. Possibly more predictable too. I have heard him speak, and he can even form full sentences. But I don't know that I would consider Pence rational.The Juggler said:^
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Here's the untenableness:
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Right that's what I mean. Trump's mental make up more closely resembles that of a third world dictator than an American president. Pence is normal functioning human being.Go Beavers said:
Irrational beliefs, but more rational around not making impulsive emotional decisions.CM189191 said:
I would hardly call Pence rational. More rational than Trump maybe. Possibly more predictable too. I have heard him speak, and he can even form full sentences. But I don't know that I would consider Pence rational.The Juggler said:^
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This sums it up perfectly. I agree completely.jeffbr said:
That's precisely the word I've used. Pence scares the shit out of me because of his evangelical beliefs and willingness to force his morality on me, but at least he's predictable in that regard. Trump is a complete wildcard. A loose cannon who isn't driven by any sort of rationality, morality, or intelligence. He reacts very differently to similar situations simply based on how he feels at the moment or what someone just told him or what TV show he might have recently watched.CM189191 said:
I would hardly call Pence rational. More rational than Trump maybe. Possibly more predictable too. I have heard him speak, and he can even form full sentences. But I don't know that I would consider Pence rational.The Juggler said:^
Pence is a rational human being. Pence>Trump"It's best to live in grace before you're forced to." EV- 10/09/20140 -
Still hiding something. Wonder when Trump's ties to Russia won't make headlines? When he comes clean and cooperates with the investigations?
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One of these times, someone may actually start a real impeachment process for the personal wealth the Trump family is making off him being an empty suit of a president that cares nothing about America. Next up, lowering corporate taxes to further benefit his business and his potential and future partners in white collar crime.
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Add this to the faux outrage: the new chair of the house intelligence committee is requesting that Dems tone down or restrain from publicly criticizing the pace, or lack of progress of the investigation. Was there any restraint shown Dems or targets of their failed, multiple investigations? Karma's a bitch. Benghazi! Fast & Furious! Clinton Foundation! Emails! Hillary's server!
Put up, get on with it and if you can't stand the heat, step aside, as we want ANSWERS!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Pence is predictably a right wing Christian Conservative who would be worse than Trump because he would actually get things through Congress. Thankfully Trump is a disaster at understanding how Congress works.CM189191 said:
I would hardly call Pence rational. More rational than Trump maybe. Possibly more predictable too. I have heard him speak, and he can even form full sentences. But I don't know that I would consider Pence rational.The Juggler said:^
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I have been meaning to post this same thing. If we were able to assume that Donald Trump and his general incompetence won't start a war, I would prefer him in there. Don't think we can really assume that at this point though. Pence with his career would actually be able to get terrible bills through.what dreams said:
Pence is predictably a right wing Christian Conservative who would be worse than Trump because he would actually get things through Congress. Thankfully Trump is a disaster at understanding how Congress works.CM189191 said:
I would hardly call Pence rational. More rational than Trump maybe. Possibly more predictable too. I have heard him speak, and he can even form full sentences. But I don't know that I would consider Pence rational.The Juggler said:^
Pence is a rational human being. Pence>Trump0
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