***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,007
    From the BBC article you're referencing but probably also didn't read:


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,325
    mrussel1 said:
    My information is from critical thinking, calling bullshit on the justifications being floated.  While I said that it's unlikely they have a person as experienced, charismatic, and with the depth of contacts that the general had in the region, there's no chance there is NO ONE to assume his role.  That just doesn't pass basic common sense.  If there was truly an imminent attack planned (which I don't believe), then there's no way the plan falls apart because the general is dead.  The Iranian military isn't just going to tear down the tents and stop being the Iranian military.  Persia got through Xerxes dying, they can get through this one (ironically, Xerxes was also assassinated).  
    Hmmm, @pj44, that is good advice to absorb what other people write before responding.  Perhaps you should take your own advice since I said the same thing before I knew the BBC article existed.  
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,007
    mrussel1 said:
    Hmmm, @pj44, that is good advice to absorb what other people write before responding.  Perhaps you should take your own advice since I said the same thing before I knew the BBC article existed.  
    Touche on that point. I read past it because you're continuing to argue with me over points I'm not trying to make. I knew there was already a guy in place...it was announced days ago. You obviously didn't. 

    You can take the last word. Feel free to pick 8 more things to shout at the wall about.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,325
    pjl44 said:
    Touche on that point. I read past it because you're continuing to argue with me over points I'm not trying to make. I knew there was already a guy in place...it was announced days ago. You obviously didn't. 

    You can take the last word. Feel free to pick 8 more things to shout at the wall about.
    Yeah, cuz that's what I'm doing.  Good thing you agree with all the things I'm shouting about. 
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,007
    edited January 2020
    Back on topic and about that leverage or lack thereof...




  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,007
    What's the move? Does the House bring in Bolton and hope he has enough to draft another article to vote on? Cross your fingers and hope the Senate calls witnesses?
  • KatKat Posts: 4,931
    Call me cynical, it would be ok as I'm usually not but I'm wondering if Bolton's revelation has everything to do with book sales and nothing to do with actually testifying. The soul-eater would definitely claim executive privilege and the courts would likely agree. So Bolton gets the publicity without actually having to testify and the "revelations" would be in his book, increasing sales because people want to know.

    Falling down,...not staying down
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,007
    Kat said:
    Call me cynical, it would be ok as I'm usually not but I'm wondering if Bolton's revelation has everything to do with book sales and nothing to do with actually testifying. The soul-eater would definitely claim executive privilege and the courts would likely agree. So Bolton gets the publicity without actually having to testify and the "revelations" would be in his book, increasing sales because people want to know.

    He's now saying he would defy Trump's request and appear. He went along with it initially when the House called him. Why the change of heart? You can read his statement and "reasoning" at the link. I put reasoning in quotes because I also think he's playing games. Could be a few different reasons, but either way it's kinda typical of this whole ordeal. I hope he has the opportunity to testify, regardless. 

    https://www.boltonpac.com/2020/01/statement-of-john-r-bolton/
  • pjl44 said:
    Back on topic and about that leverage or lack thereof...




    Force the vote and put them on record for having rules that don’t allow witnesses to testify at trial. Then use that vote against them in the fall. Witnesses should exonerate Team Trump Treason’s “perfect” call and no quid pro quo, right?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,397
    2018
    I say hold on to it until the election. let the american people worry about electing a president that is about to be removed. 
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,007
    Force the vote and put them on record for having rules that don’t allow witnesses to testify at trial. Then use that vote against them in the fall. Witnesses should exonerate Team Trump Treason’s “perfect” call and no quid pro quo, right?
    Yeah, that's kinda where I'm at. At this point, the 2 things I can best hope for are:

    - Every Senator is put on record and has to answer for their vote
    - Justin Amash is named an impeachment manager and continues to raise his profile

    It would be nice if some curveball leads to a fair trial, but I'm not holding my breath
  • KatKat Posts: 4,931
    Force the vote and put them on record for having rules that don’t allow witnesses to testify at trial. Then use that vote against them in the fall. Witnesses should exonerate Team Trump Treason’s “perfect” call and no quid pro quo, right?
    The Speaker gave everyone enough time to think about what they're doing and do the right thing. They should live with this forever in history. My next hope is that the Senate will be flipped in November. Surely there are enough voters with integrity who want to rid the government of corruption?
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • pjl44 said:
    Yeah, that's kinda where I'm at. At this point, the 2 things I can best hope for are:

    - Every Senator is put on record and has to answer for their vote
    - Justin Amash is named an impeachment manager and continues to raise his profile

    It would be nice if some curveball leads to a fair trial, but I'm not holding my breath
    How good will it look for senate repubs, particularly those up for re-election, to have voted to acquit while denying witnesses and introduction of documents after additional damning evidence is revealed? Hang ‘em high and let ‘em sway, here’s a little more rope Moscow Mitchy Baby.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/trump-impeachment-documents-foia/index.html
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    Kat said:
    The Speaker gave everyone enough time to think about what they're doing and do the right thing. They should live with this forever in history. My next hope is that the Senate will be flipped in November. Surely there are enough voters with integrity who want to rid the government of corruption?
    Good one, Kat. :lol:
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,397
    2018
    Kat said:
    The Speaker gave everyone enough time to think about what they're doing and do the right thing. They should live with this forever in history. My next hope is that the Senate will be flipped in November. Surely there are enough voters with integrity who want to rid the government of corruption?
    people have by and large shown they don't care about corruption, as long as it benefits them. 
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,007
    How good will it look for senate repubs, particularly those up for re-election, to have voted to acquit while denying witnesses and introduction of documents after additional damning evidence is revealed? Hang ‘em high and let ‘em sway, here’s a little more rope Moscow Mitchy Baby.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/trump-impeachment-documents-foia/index.html
    It's an interesting question and I'm not enough of a political junkie to guess where it will stand as an issue in each race. Word of warning, though, that it cuts both ways. Doug Jones may be facing an uphill battle as it is.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,072
    Clearly the republican politicians and voters are scared of what Bolton might have to say.

  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,569
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    I still think they call witnesses...just after the trial starts. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,506
    I still think they call witnesses...just after the trial starts. 
    you betting the Pats second half?
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,970
    "THE FIELD"
    What does it matter if they vote to have witnesses now or later? 

    Romney is tepid about going against McConnell now and later
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,569
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    mickeyrat said:
    you betting the Pats second half?
    Haha

    There will be witnesses. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,506
    Haha

    There will be witnesses. 
    in the gallery for sure.....
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,569
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    mickeyrat said:
    in the gallery for sure.....
    We shall see, Mick. We shall see...
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,332
    Haha

    There will be witnesses. 
    we are all witnesses. this is happening out in the open right in front of all of us.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,007
    Dianne Feinstein is the next to weigh in on Pelosi's masterful handling of the process


  • pjl44 said:
    Dianne Feinstein is the next to weigh in on Pelosi's masterful handling of the process


    Dianne must be needing some press?
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,007
    Dianne must be needing some press?
    Chris Murphy said something similar yesterday. Sounds like she was responding to a question, but I honestly don't know how it came up.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,007
    Turns out it's from a Politico article. Similar quotes from several Senate Democrats, including our pal Jon Tester.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/08/senate-democrats-break-pelosi-over-impeachment-096224


  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,569
    2019
    pjl44 said:
    Turns out it's from a Politico article. Similar quotes from several Senate Democrats, including our pal Jon Tester.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/08/senate-democrats-break-pelosi-over-impeachment-096224


    I still don’t see the big difference in agreeing on witnesses today or after the trial starts...either way, waiting has only increased the odds of them being called at all. 
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,484
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    I still don’t see the big difference in agreeing on witnesses today or after the trial starts...either way, waiting has only increased the odds of them being called at all. 
    I agree. And if for some reason witnesses aren't called, I truly think the GOP will pay for it in the election.
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