***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

Ledbetterman10

Halifax2TheMax said:

Personally, I want the process to play out and put the repubs on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution and checks and balances.

Here's a question for ya: Would your rather Trump be impeached, acquitted in the Senate, and then all those Republican Senators are 
"on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution", and then let the chips fall where they may in the 2020 election? Or, would you rather no impeachment, and Trump  loses the 2020 election?

So in scenario 1, you get you wish for impeachment, but no guarantee that Trump loses the election. Scenario 2 is no impeachment, but a definite loss in 2020 for Trump. 

Halifax2TheMax

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Personally, I want the process to play out and put the repubs on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution and checks and balances.

Here's a question for ya: Would your rather Trump be impeached, acquitted in the Senate, and then all those Republican Senators are 
"on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution", and then let the chips fall where they may in the 2020 election? Or, would you rather no impeachment, and Trump  loses the 2020 election?

So in scenario 1, you get you wish for impeachment, but no guarantee that Trump loses the election. Scenario 2 is no impeachment, but a definite loss in 2020 for Trump. 

Seeing how I can’t have both, impeachment. Not impeaching him does far more damage, long term, than Team Trump Treason being re-elected. And the two are not mutually exclusive. Impeach and defend your vote on the campaign trail. It’s justified. 

Go Beavers

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Personally, I want the process to play out and put the repubs on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution and checks and balances.

Here's a question for ya: Would your rather Trump be impeached, acquitted in the Senate, and then all those Republican Senators are 
"on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution", and then let the chips fall where they may in the 2020 election? Or, would you rather no impeachment, and Trump  loses the 2020 election?

So in scenario 1, you get you wish for impeachment, but no guarantee that Trump loses the election. Scenario 2 is no impeachment, but a definite loss in 2020 for Trump. 

I’m wanting scenario 1. Scenario 2 shows playing not to lose and an assumption impeachment somehow gives trump a bump. 

Ledbetterman10

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Personally, I want the process to play out and put the repubs on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution and checks and balances.

Here's a question for ya: Would your rather Trump be impeached, acquitted in the Senate, and then all those Republican Senators are 
"on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution", and then let the chips fall where they may in the 2020 election? Or, would you rather no impeachment, and Trump  loses the 2020 election?

So in scenario 1, you get you wish for impeachment, but no guarantee that Trump loses the election. Scenario 2 is no impeachment, but a definite loss in 2020 for Trump. 

Seeing how I can’t have both, impeachment. Not impeaching him does far more damage, long term, than Team Trump Treason being re-elected. And the two are not mutually exclusive. Impeach and defend your vote on the campaign trail. It’s justified. 

I have to give your credit for being so steadfast in your convictions. While I personally disagree and would choose scenario 2, I respect your unwavering desire for the rule of law to be upheld. I was wondering "Hmm, this guy is constantly talking about Trump's illegal activities and wants to see him impeached, but would he be saying that if the president was a liberal like he is?" And I think you showed here that you would.

And actually, here's what I would have responded with if you chose scenario 2:

"Oh but I thought you were a man of law like your boy Mueller. Nope. Just another partisan liberal that hates Trump." 

So obviously that's not the case.

Halifax2TheMax

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Personally, I want the process to play out and put the repubs on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution and checks and balances.

Here's a question for ya: Would your rather Trump be impeached, acquitted in the Senate, and then all those Republican Senators are 
"on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution", and then let the chips fall where they may in the 2020 election? Or, would you rather no impeachment, and Trump  loses the 2020 election?

So in scenario 1, you get you wish for impeachment, but no guarantee that Trump loses the election. Scenario 2 is no impeachment, but a definite loss in 2020 for Trump. 

Seeing how I can’t have both, impeachment. Not impeaching him does far more damage, long term, than Team Trump Treason being re-elected. And the two are not mutually exclusive. Impeach and defend your vote on the campaign trail. It’s justified. 

I have to give your credit for being so steadfast in your convictions. While I personally disagree and would choose scenario 2, I respect your unwavering desire for the rule of law to be upheld. I was wondering "Hmm, this guy is constantly talking about Trump's illegal activities and wants to see him impeached, but would he be saying that if the president was a liberal like he is?" And I think you showed here that you would.

And actually, here's what I would have responded with if you chose scenario 2:

"Oh but I thought you were a man of law like your boy Mueller. Nope. Just another partisan liberal that hates Trump." 

So obviously that's not the case.

Here’s the thing, if it were a witch hunt and there was no “there, there,” I wouldn’t be calling for impeachment or for the rule of law to be upheld but Team Trump Treason’s lifetime achievement has been to violate the law and if caught, deny, intimidate, bluster, settle, and non-disclose. It’s worked for him and his ilk. The Oval Office, the presidency and the Constitution demand respect and protection, from repubs and dems alike. Team Trump Treason gets away with the abuse of power, obstruction and conspiracy, you fear the next POTUS, regardless of party and what their agenda might be. Read the Team Mueller Report, Team Trump Treason is as guilty as the day is long but I’ll give him a trial and let the chips fall where they may. Would love to see which repub senators will defend him on the senate floor for the record and all eternity.
 

Ledbetterman10

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Personally, I want the process to play out and put the repubs on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution and checks and balances.

Here's a question for ya: Would your rather Trump be impeached, acquitted in the Senate, and then all those Republican Senators are 
"on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution", and then let the chips fall where they may in the 2020 election? Or, would you rather no impeachment, and Trump  loses the 2020 election?

So in scenario 1, you get you wish for impeachment, but no guarantee that Trump loses the election. Scenario 2 is no impeachment, but a definite loss in 2020 for Trump. 

Seeing how I can’t have both, impeachment. Not impeaching him does far more damage, long term, than Team Trump Treason being re-elected. And the two are not mutually exclusive. Impeach and defend your vote on the campaign trail. It’s justified. 

I have to give your credit for being so steadfast in your convictions. While I personally disagree and would choose scenario 2, I respect your unwavering desire for the rule of law to be upheld. I was wondering "Hmm, this guy is constantly talking about Trump's illegal activities and wants to see him impeached, but would he be saying that if the president was a liberal like he is?" And I think you showed here that you would.

And actually, here's what I would have responded with if you chose scenario 2:

"Oh but I thought you were a man of law like your boy Mueller. Nope. Just another partisan liberal that hates Trump." 

So obviously that's not the case.

Here’s the thing, if it were a witch hunt and there was no “there, there,” I wouldn’t be calling for impeachment or for the rule of law to be upheld but Team Trump Treason’s lifetime achievement has been to violate the law and if caught, deny, intimidate, bluster, settle, and non-disclose. It’s worked for him and his ilk. The Oval Office, the presidency and the Constitution demand respect and protection, from repubs and dems alike. Team Trump Treason gets away with the abuse of power, obstruction and conspiracy, you fear the next POTUS, regardless of party and what their agenda might be. Read the Team Mueller Report, Team Trump Treason is as guilty as the day is long but I’ll give him a trial and let the chips fall where they may. Would love to see which repub senators will defend him on the senate floor for the record and all eternity.
 

The part I bolded highlights what I dislike most about Trump. He has ruined so many lives by ripping people off (contractors mostly) and then tying them up in court when they try to get justice. To her credit, Hillary had a lot of YouTube ads highlighting the stories of people that have had their lives ruined by Trump, and really it was those videos that led me to never be able to vote for him.

I hear ya about not wanting to set a precedent where the President can get away with anything he wants. I guess I'm just in the same camp as Pelosi in that I feel that an impeachment without an conviction would be helpful to him in the 2020 election. And I assume you and others that are calling for impeachment figure that if the public hears testimony and sees evidence in an impeachment trial, even if he wasn't convicted, it'd be damning enough to hurt him in the election. That might be true. But it might not. Happy I'm not in Pelsoi's shoes for this. 

The Juggler

2019

7/17= Mueller Day. Let’s go!

Go Beavers

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Personally, I want the process to play out and put the repubs on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution and checks and balances.

Here's a question for ya: Would your rather Trump be impeached, acquitted in the Senate, and then all those Republican Senators are 
"on record for not upholding the rule of law and protecting the Constitution", and then let the chips fall where they may in the 2020 election? Or, would you rather no impeachment, and Trump  loses the 2020 election?

So in scenario 1, you get you wish for impeachment, but no guarantee that Trump loses the election. Scenario 2 is no impeachment, but a definite loss in 2020 for Trump. 

Seeing how I can’t have both, impeachment. Not impeaching him does far more damage, long term, than Team Trump Treason being re-elected. And the two are not mutually exclusive. Impeach and defend your vote on the campaign trail. It’s justified. 

I have to give your credit for being so steadfast in your convictions. While I personally disagree and would choose scenario 2, I respect your unwavering desire for the rule of law to be upheld. I was wondering "Hmm, this guy is constantly talking about Trump's illegal activities and wants to see him impeached, but would he be saying that if the president was a liberal like he is?" And I think you showed here that you would.

And actually, here's what I would have responded with if you chose scenario 2:

"Oh but I thought you were a man of law like your boy Mueller. Nope. Just another partisan liberal that hates Trump." 

So obviously that's not the case.

Here’s the thing, if it were a witch hunt and there was no “there, there,” I wouldn’t be calling for impeachment or for the rule of law to be upheld but Team Trump Treason’s lifetime achievement has been to violate the law and if caught, deny, intimidate, bluster, settle, and non-disclose. It’s worked for him and his ilk. The Oval Office, the presidency and the Constitution demand respect and protection, from repubs and dems alike. Team Trump Treason gets away with the abuse of power, obstruction and conspiracy, you fear the next POTUS, regardless of party and what their agenda might be. Read the Team Mueller Report, Team Trump Treason is as guilty as the day is long but I’ll give him a trial and let the chips fall where they may. Would love to see which repub senators will defend him on the senate floor for the record and all eternity.
 

Exactly. The reverse scenario is something republicans are saying is just fine. Just take the irrefutable basic facts: Elizabeth Warren next week says she wants a positive relationship with adversarial country X. She publicly states a policy to help them (trump’s sanction removal).  Warren’s staff proceeds to have all kinds of contacts with country X and they all lie about it. Warren publicly requests country X break the law to help her win. Country X violates the law. FBI informs Warren that country X broke the law and is trying to infiltrate her campaign. She says nothing at the time and reports nothing. Warren wins. Warren praises leader of country X and doesn’t have her communications with them documented. Warren is then investigated and impedes the investigation, all the while lying and undermining it publicly.

Not going through impeachment says this is all just fine for our future.
 

josevolution

2018

Muller being subpoenaed ha interesting...

njnancy

2019

The Juggler said:

7/17= Mueller Day. Let’s go!

josevolution said:

Muller being subpoenaed ha interesting...

9AM in open testimony.   

House Intelligence and House Judiciary, back to back. 

Then members of Mueller's team, but not Mueller, in closed testimony. 

Mueller is coming. Thank freakin' god. 

Perhaps he can do a dramatic reading like 'The Investigation' - 

https://youtu.be/8zUblhfv6GI

cutz

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1143685869070639104?s=03

OnWis97

"THE FIELD"

By now I trust we’ve all learned to temper our expectations...

Halifax2TheMax

Dem question: Mr. Mueller can you describe your first few meetings with AG Barr? Did AG Barr direct you to wrap up or finish the Russia investigation? Or did your investigation wrap up because you decided you and your team had exhausted every avenue of investigation?

Repub question: Are you now or have you ever been a member of the socialist party? Communist party? How about during your service in Vietnam? Are you in love with James Comey, sir? I’d like to remind the witness that he’s under oath! Now, Mr. Mueller, can you tell this committee what you had for lunch on June 27, 2016? Would you like to see the menu I’m holding in my hand here, now in my pocket, Mr. Mueller?

benjs

Halifax2TheMax said:

Dem question: Mr. Mueller can you describe your first few meetings with AG Barr? Did AG Barr direct you to wrap up or finish the Russia investigation? Or did your investigation wrap up because you decided you and your team had exhausted every avenue of investigation?

Repub question: Are you now or have you ever been a member of the socialist party? Communist party? How about during your service in Vietnam? Are you in love with James Comey, sir? I’d like to remind the witness that he’s under oath! Now, Mr. Mueller, can you tell this committee what you had for lunch on June 27, 2016? Would you like to see the menu I’m holding in my hand here, now in my pocket, Mr. Mueller?

Maybe my favourite thing you've ever written - I think this is eerily close to how it'll play out. 

On the topic of results, I think that impeachment proceedings will occur, but I don't think impeachment will be successful. I think that will produce a minor net loss on the Republican side (fear-driven), as well as a minor bump on the Democrat side (backbone-driven). Part of me wonders if Pelosi's strategy is to run out the clock so it's mid-process by the time of re-election to affect the numbers. I hope not to be right, as I would find that to be as unfair as Comey's statement far too close to voting.

Halifax2TheMax

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Dem question: Mr. Mueller can you describe your first few meetings with AG Barr? Did AG Barr direct you to wrap up or finish the Russia investigation? Or did your investigation wrap up because you decided you and your team had exhausted every avenue of investigation?

Repub question: Are you now or have you ever been a member of the socialist party? Communist party? How about during your service in Vietnam? Are you in love with James Comey, sir? I’d like to remind the witness that he’s under oath! Now, Mr. Mueller, can you tell this committee what you had for lunch on June 27, 2016? Would you like to see the menu I’m holding in my hand here, now in my pocket, Mr. Mueller?

Maybe my favourite thing you've ever written - I think this is eerily close to how it'll play out. 

On the topic of results, I think that impeachment proceedings will occur, but I don't think impeachment will be successful. I think that will produce a minor net loss on the Republican side (fear-driven), as well as a minor bump on the Democrat side (backbone-driven). Part of me wonders if Pelosi's strategy is to run out the clock so it's mid-process by the time of re-election to affect the numbers. I hope not to be right, as I would find that to be as unfair as Comey's statement far too close to voting.

Remember Benghazi? Remember Swift Boating? Fair? The repubs haven’t played “fair” since Willie Horton. This is why dems lose, playing “fair,” “taking the high road,” and being “policy wonks.” Fuck fair during the election cycle, “fair” is for when you can actually govern and hold office. “If it’s what I think it is, I love it.” Fair?

And I’m not attacking you Ben, it’s just like money in politics, if you want “fair,” both sides have to play by the same set of rules, the rules have to be enforced and most importantly, the voters have to hold the “teams” accountable at the polls for their teams’ play on the field. They rarely do, or are, and shame on us.

benjs

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Dem question: Mr. Mueller can you describe your first few meetings with AG Barr? Did AG Barr direct you to wrap up or finish the Russia investigation? Or did your investigation wrap up because you decided you and your team had exhausted every avenue of investigation?

Repub question: Are you now or have you ever been a member of the socialist party? Communist party? How about during your service in Vietnam? Are you in love with James Comey, sir? I’d like to remind the witness that he’s under oath! Now, Mr. Mueller, can you tell this committee what you had for lunch on June 27, 2016? Would you like to see the menu I’m holding in my hand here, now in my pocket, Mr. Mueller?

Maybe my favourite thing you've ever written - I think this is eerily close to how it'll play out. 

On the topic of results, I think that impeachment proceedings will occur, but I don't think impeachment will be successful. I think that will produce a minor net loss on the Republican side (fear-driven), as well as a minor bump on the Democrat side (backbone-driven). Part of me wonders if Pelosi's strategy is to run out the clock so it's mid-process by the time of re-election to affect the numbers. I hope not to be right, as I would find that to be as unfair as Comey's statement far too close to voting.

Remember Benghazi? Remember Swift Boating? Fair? The repubs haven’t played “fair” since Willie Horton. This is why dems lose, playing “fair,” “taking the high road,” and being “policy wonks.” Fuck fair during the election cycle, “fair” is for when you can actually govern and hold office. “If it’s what I think it is, I love it.” Fair?

And I’m not attacking you Ben, it’s just like money in politics, if you want “fair,” both sides have to play by the same set of rules, the rules have to be enforced and most importantly, the voters have to hold the “teams” accountable at the polls for their teams’ play on the field. They rarely do, or are, and shame on us.

I understand where you're coming from, and obviously (because I have functional eyes and ears) I'm aware that there's one side that's not playing fairly. I almost think of it like political precedence though - as soon as both sides play dirty, it sets a new universal standard, and not a good one (in addition to politics not needing further erosion of faith). 

With that said, I hope that if they do go this route (which I think they likely will given that they're seeking looking active while knowing they will fail), that they put some serious faith restorative efforts in should they take power. 

Sorry about the sloppy writing here, woke up with a brutal hangover. Need to get back to Canada and weed it away asap!

Jason P

Mueller has already stated he will only make comments on what he wrote in the Mueller report if subpoena is issued for testimony.  

Halifax2TheMax

Jason P said:

Mueller has already stated he will only make comments on what he wrote in the Mueller report if subpoena is issued for testimony.  

30MM US adults can’t read above a third grade level, about half of Team Trump Treason voters.

bootlegger10

For impeachment to happen it would require a government that works.  Ours (USA) does not work.  Thus, no impeachment. 

Halifax2TheMax

bootlegger10 said:

For impeachment to happen it would require a government that works.  Ours (USA) does not work.  Thus, no impeachment. 

Impeachment is a house vote. The dems control the house. Impeachment can happen and should. Trial in the senate and a finding of guilty and censure or removal from office is a whole other matter.