***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

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  • OnWis97
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    CM189191 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    OnWis97 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Back in the good ol' days when I thought Muller's investigation might amount to something...as it started to drag on, I would joke that it would show that Trump was Putin's puppet, but not until his second term...

    ...IF (and that's a huge if) anything substantive comes from this, it looks like it actually will be during his second term.
    why would it be during his second term?
    Because of how slowly it's all moving.  We're like 19 months out from election.  It looks like nothing in this report is going to directly lead to anything. So, 
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    14 ongoing investigations that continue with 12 of them redacted in Team Mueller’s report. Yea, forgotten about by tomorrow.
     
    We're looking at waiting out some other stuff.  Anything of value may very well come out after November, 2020.
    Team Trump Treason will be disgraced like Nixon.
    I don't know. I don't think his followers will ever come to reality like Nixon's did.  Or the party.  The red/blue thing today is just different.  Red will never, ever stop protecting Trump.  
    The information in the Team Mueller report and what will come out in hill hearings will be campaign fodder. I can see the senate flipping.
     
    Senate has 53 Republicans and 47 Democrats (including two independents).

    There are 34 seats up in 2020 - including a special election in Arizona - of which 22 are held by the GOP.

    Democrats will need to gain 3 or 4 seats to take control. 

    Strong chance D's take the Senate in 2020.
    Senate's always going to be tough for the dems.  Two per state...the right is way over-represented in the senate.  
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  • OnWis97
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    So why the plea deal for Flynn?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    OnWis97 said:
    So why the plea deal for Flynn?
    On going investigations redacted so as not to expose sources and methods, one or more of the 14 ongoing investigations. And because Flynn recognized the gig was up and got a deal, spilled his guts and told the truth. Don’t forget, Flynn’s son was looking at having his life ruined in his early 20s.
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  • CM189191
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    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/31/politics/richard-nixon-watergate-national-archives-mueller/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

    National Archives releases draft indictment of Richard Nixon amid Mueller probe

    Weird
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    CM189191 said:
    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/31/politics/richard-nixon-watergate-national-archives-mueller/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

    National Archives releases draft indictment of Richard Nixon amid Mueller probe

    Weird
    Timely. Also from October 30, 2018. Some group sued for its release based on the amount of time that’s passed and it’s historical significance.
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  • The Juggler
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    A nice summary by the NY Times. I'd add an eighth: the 14 other referrals Mueller made--meaning there are still many ongoing investigations that spell doom to Trump, most notably what's happening in the SDNY. We need Mueller to testify and we need the SDNY to hurry the hell up

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-pdf-takeaways.html

     

    1. Trump did try to sabotage the investigation. His staff defied him.

    2. So many lies. So many changed stories.

    3. Fake news? Not so much.

    4. No obstruction? Not so fast.

    5. Evading an F.B.I. interview proved a successful strategy.

    6. No conclusive evidence of conspiracy, but lots of reason to investigate.

    7. Imagine reading this report cold.

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  • josevolution
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    8 - 36 times he wrote he couldn’t remember or couldn’t recall , this from a man who claims to have the best mind of any president ever !
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    itmfa
  • The Juggler
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Well, we're right where we were yesterday...with a polarizing president popular enough to win the electoral college.  Nobody that loves him was moved...nobody that hates him was moved.  

    in other words, it was a dog-and-pony show.  Forgotten about by tomorrow.
    14 ongoing investigations that continue with 12 of them redacted in Team Mueller’s report. Yea, forgotten about by tomorrow.
     
    It’s tomorrow. By all accounts nothing is forgotten and things are proceeding. 

    But time is of the essence. 
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  • OnWis97
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    7. Imagine reading this report cold.

    That’s a good one.  We heard all this over and over for two years.  We were desensitized to the results.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    The Juggler said:
    A nice summary by the NY Times. I'd add an eighth: the 14 other referrals Mueller made--meaning there are still many ongoing investigations that spell doom to Trump, most notably what's happening in the SDNY. We need Mueller to testify and we need the SDNY to hurry the hell up

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-pdf-takeaways.html

     

    1. Trump did try to sabotage the investigation. His staff defied him.

    2. So many lies. So many changed stories.

    3. Fake news? Not so much.

    4. No obstruction? Not so fast.

    5. Evading an F.B.I. interview proved a successful strategy.

    6. No conclusive evidence of conspiracy, but lots of reason to investigate.

    7. Imagine reading this report cold.

    They don’t need to hurry up because they won’t charge a sitting POTUS. However, they can indict and frog march third party peripheral suspects like Jared Dear Boy, Donny Jr. and Ivanka Daarlink. That would ratchet up the pressure but for the really big booby prize, Team Trump Treason, we’re patiently waiting for January 20, 2021 or for impeachment and removal from office. People are going to greatly regret being associated with this crime family.
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  • The Juggler
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    OnWis97 said:
    The Juggler said:

    7. Imagine reading this report cold.

    That’s a good one.  We heard all this over and over for two years.  We were desensitized to the results.
    Agreed.
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  • The Juggler
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    A nice summary by the NY Times. I'd add an eighth: the 14 other referrals Mueller made--meaning there are still many ongoing investigations that spell doom to Trump, most notably what's happening in the SDNY. We need Mueller to testify and we need the SDNY to hurry the hell up

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-pdf-takeaways.html

     

    1. Trump did try to sabotage the investigation. His staff defied him.

    2. So many lies. So many changed stories.

    3. Fake news? Not so much.

    4. No obstruction? Not so fast.

    5. Evading an F.B.I. interview proved a successful strategy.

    6. No conclusive evidence of conspiracy, but lots of reason to investigate.

    7. Imagine reading this report cold.

    They don’t need to hurry up because they won’t charge a sitting POTUS. However, they can indict and frog march third party peripheral suspects like Jared Dear Boy, Donny Jr. and Ivanka Daarlink. That would ratchet up the pressure but for the really big booby prize, Team Trump Treason, we’re patiently waiting for January 20, 2021 or for impeachment and removal from office. People are going to greatly regret being associated with this crime family.
    I have read that the SDNY might indict him despite what he dept of justice says. They could also seal an indictment for when he leaves office. And then, as you mention, they could indict family members...all of which could open the window to some kind of deal about him resigning to make all the legal problems go away.

    Plus even if they don't indict, what happens when they finish the investigation? I would assume they issue a report of some sort on it's findings which would also help with impeachment efforts.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    A nice summary by the NY Times. I'd add an eighth: the 14 other referrals Mueller made--meaning there are still many ongoing investigations that spell doom to Trump, most notably what's happening in the SDNY. We need Mueller to testify and we need the SDNY to hurry the hell up

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-pdf-takeaways.html

     

    1. Trump did try to sabotage the investigation. His staff defied him.

    2. So many lies. So many changed stories.

    3. Fake news? Not so much.

    4. No obstruction? Not so fast.

    5. Evading an F.B.I. interview proved a successful strategy.

    6. No conclusive evidence of conspiracy, but lots of reason to investigate.

    7. Imagine reading this report cold.

    They don’t need to hurry up because they won’t charge a sitting POTUS. However, they can indict and frog march third party peripheral suspects like Jared Dear Boy, Donny Jr. and Ivanka Daarlink. That would ratchet up the pressure but for the really big booby prize, Team Trump Treason, we’re patiently waiting for January 20, 2021 or for impeachment and removal from office. People are going to greatly regret being associated with this crime family.
    I have read that the SDNY might indict him despite what he dept of justice says. They could also seal an indictment for when he leaves office. And then, as you mention, they could indict family members...all of which could open the window to some kind of deal about him resigning to make all the legal problems go away.

    Plus even if they don't indict, what happens when they finish the investigation? I would assume they issue a report of some sort on it's findings which would also help with impeachment efforts.
    SDNY, DCD and EDVA will issue sealed indictments against Team Trump Treason, waiting for the last possible moment to file them so as not to lose based on statue of limitations. Peripheral third parties will be indicted as the evidence allows and if the AGs believe crimes have been committed and they believe they have enough evidence for a conviction. Slow and steady wins the race.
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  • josevolution
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    So where’s the Baffoon celebrating getting away with lying cheating, corruption etc etc , surely he must be dancing on the golf course..
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  • jeffbr
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    If Impeaching Trump Is Pointless, Then Bipartisanship Is Worthless

    If there is no bipartisan consensus on upholding the rule of law, then bipartisan consensus is not an end worth pursuing. If the Republican Party can’t be trusted to even consider putting its allegiance to lawfulness above its fealty to Donald Trump, then the GOP is a cancer on the body politic. And if our Constitution has brought us to the point where a non-democratically elected president can promise “Get Out of Jail Free” cards to anyone who violates laws he does not like — without facing any serious threat of removal from office — then our Constitution is obsolete and there is no cause for treating that document, or the established norms of our institutions, with reflexive reverence.
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  • my2hands
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    Very legal, very cool
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    jeffbr said:

    If Impeaching Trump Is Pointless, Then Bipartisanship Is Worthless

    If there is no bipartisan consensus on upholding the rule of law, then bipartisan consensus is not an end worth pursuing. If the Republican Party can’t be trusted to even consider putting its allegiance to lawfulness above its fealty to Donald Trump, then the GOP is a cancer on the body politic. And if our Constitution has brought us to the point where a non-democratically elected president can promise “Get Out of Jail Free” cards to anyone who violates laws he does not like — without facing any serious threat of removal from office — then our Constitution is obsolete and there is no cause for treating that document, or the established norms of our institutions, with reflexive reverence.
    that is the best thing i've read in a long time.  completely true.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
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    Very legal, very cool
  • CM189191
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    jeffbr said:

    If Impeaching Trump Is Pointless, Then Bipartisanship Is Worthless

    If there is no bipartisan consensus on upholding the rule of law, then bipartisan consensus is not an end worth pursuing. If the Republican Party can’t be trusted to even consider putting its allegiance to lawfulness above its fealty to Donald Trump, then the GOP is a cancer on the body politic. And if our Constitution has brought us to the point where a non-democratically elected president can promise “Get Out of Jail Free” cards to anyone who violates laws he does not like — without facing any serious threat of removal from office — then our Constitution is obsolete and there is no cause for treating that document, or the established norms of our institutions, with reflexive reverence.
    i'm so excited to bring back the guillotine

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