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***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,025
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    Sucks working today- would rather be watching the news! 
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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,777
    Falling down,...not staying down
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    Representative Lewis crushing it.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,268
    so.........

    like me, anybody else NOT get impeached today??
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,023
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/impeachment-polling-donald-trump/index.html

    Warning lights are flashing for Democrats as they prepare to impeach Trump

    (CNN)Some time later today -- maybe MUCH later today -- the House will vote to impeach President Donald Trump for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress -- both tied to his actions around a July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky.

    Even as the House prepares for the historic vote, however, there's growing evidence that the public impeachment proceedings in the House against Trump may actually be helping him politically.
    Take a new Gallup poll released Wednesday morning, which shows two things happening since House Democrats, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California, opened up a formal impeachment inquiry in October regarding Trump's conduct with Zelensky:
    1) Trump's job approval rating has gone from 39% to 45%
    2) Support for Trump's impeachment and removal has dipped from 52% to 46%.
    Those results largely affirm other data out over the past week or so that suggest support for impeachment has dipped. In a CNN national poll released earlier this week, 45% said they supported the impeachment and removal of the President -- down from 50% who said the same in a mid-November CNN survey. That same poll showed opposition to impeachment/removal at 46%, up 4 points from mid-November. And a CNN "poll of polls" -- an average of all six most recent quality/credible national polling conducted between December 4 and December 15 -- showed 46% favored impeachment and removal as compared to 49% who did not.
    Now, as I have noted previously, these numbers are not "good" for Trump -- as he so often takes to Twitter to proclaim. Compared to recent past presidents -- including Bill Clinton, who actually was impeached -- a significantly lager chunk of the public now favors Trump's removal than ever felt that way about Clinton, Barack Obama or George W. Bush. In fact, Trump's current numbers on impeachment are most similar to those of Richard Nixon in the spring of 1974. (Articles of impeachment on Nixon were approved by the House Judiciary Committee but never came to a floor vote because Nixon resigned first.)
    But what the trend line in recent weeks suggests is that the intense focus on impeachment has marginally helped, not hurt Trump. The change in public opinion is slight, yes. And it may well be temporary. But for the moment, it's the sort of thing that has to make Democrats a little (and maybe more than a little) nervous about the path they have chosen.
    Remember this: Pelosi did not want to go down the impeachment path. She stood athwart her party over the summer as more and more of her Democratic members announced their support for an impeachment inquiry over Trump's conduct in connection to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Her concern, which she voiced publicly and privately, was that a partisan impeachment -- one without significant bipartisan support -- would too bitterly divide the country to make it worth doing.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    mcgruff10 said:
    But what the trend line in recent weeks suggests is that the intense focus on impeachment has marginally helped, not hurt Trump. 
    As many of us figured it would.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,798
    mcgruff10 said:
    But what the trend line in recent weeks suggests is that the intense focus on impeachment has marginally helped, not hurt Trump. 
    As many of us figured it would.
    In this case, you had to do it.  There has to be a something that formally recognizes the corruption of what he did with the Ukraine.  I'm pretty conservative of this sort of thing, but it needs to be in the historical record.  And there has to be some deterrent from him doing it again. 
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,436
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    mcgruff10 said:
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/impeachment-polling-donald-trump/index.html

    Warning lights are flashing for Democrats as they prepare to impeach Trump

    (CNN)Some time later today -- maybe MUCH later today -- the House will vote to impeach President Donald Trump for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress -- both tied to his actions around a July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky.

    Even as the House prepares for the historic vote, however, there's growing evidence that the public impeachment proceedings in the House against Trump may actually be helping him politically.
    Take a new Gallup poll released Wednesday morning, which shows two things happening since House Democrats, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California, opened up a formal impeachment inquiry in October regarding Trump's conduct with Zelensky:
    1) Trump's job approval rating has gone from 39% to 45%
    2) Support for Trump's impeachment and removal has dipped from 52% to 46%.
    Those results largely affirm other data out over the past week or so that suggest support for impeachment has dipped. In a CNN national poll released earlier this week, 45% said they supported the impeachment and removal of the President -- down from 50% who said the same in a mid-November CNN survey. That same poll showed opposition to impeachment/removal at 46%, up 4 points from mid-November. And a CNN "poll of polls" -- an average of all six most recent quality/credible national polling conducted between December 4 and December 15 -- showed 46% favored impeachment and removal as compared to 49% who did not.
    Now, as I have noted previously, these numbers are not "good" for Trump -- as he so often takes to Twitter to proclaim. Compared to recent past presidents -- including Bill Clinton, who actually was impeached -- a significantly lager chunk of the public now favors Trump's removal than ever felt that way about Clinton, Barack Obama or George W. Bush. In fact, Trump's current numbers on impeachment are most similar to those of Richard Nixon in the spring of 1974. (Articles of impeachment on Nixon were approved by the House Judiciary Committee but never came to a floor vote because Nixon resigned first.)
    But what the trend line in recent weeks suggests is that the intense focus on impeachment has marginally helped, not hurt Trump. The change in public opinion is slight, yes. And it may well be temporary. But for the moment, it's the sort of thing that has to make Democrats a little (and maybe more than a little) nervous about the path they have chosen.
    Remember this: Pelosi did not want to go down the impeachment path. She stood athwart her party over the summer as more and more of her Democratic members announced their support for an impeachment inquiry over Trump's conduct in connection to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Her concern, which she voiced publicly and privately, was that a partisan impeachment -- one without significant bipartisan support -- would too bitterly divide the country to make it worth doing.
    I don’t give a fuck! He will get voted back in I’m already consigned to that! The divide is as wide  as the Grand Canyon..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    Give it time, Team Trump Treason will be the first POTUS impeached twice.
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,220
    "THE FIELD"
    Hail Hail Mr. IMPEACHMENT 
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,590
    Too bad the Republicans don't have the balls to do the right thing
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    Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
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    deadendpdeadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    YES!!!
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    That is GREAT! 
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,782
    edited December 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    But what the trend line in recent weeks suggests is that the intense focus on impeachment has marginally helped, not hurt Trump. 
    As many of us figured it would.
    In this case, you had to do it.  There has to be a something that formally recognizes the corruption of what he did with the Ukraine.  I'm pretty conservative of this sort of thing, but it needs to be in the historical record.  And there has to be some deterrent from him doing it again. 
    Yeah I agree with this. And really, while the Ukraine thing was the catalyst for a formal impeachment, Trump's getting impeached for the whole show; from the moment he came down the escalator to today, and he deserves it.
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    ok boomer
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    Jason P said:
    ok boomer
    Which part of boomer’s statement are you agreeing with? Or dismissing?
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    Well at least if Biden wins we will have a POTUS with an impeccable record and guarded public speaking that will in no way open himself up to the GOP using this as a precident to launch a similar show in a few years.  Whew.  
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,798
    Jason P said:
    Well at least if Biden wins we will have a POTUS with an impeccable record and guarded public speaking that will in no way open himself up to the GOP using this as a precident to launch a similar show in a few years.  Whew.  
    So you think what Trump did with Ukraine is either acceptable or standard presidential behavior?
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,023
    Since this was voted on party lines this is doa when it hits the Senate.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,798
    Tulsi votes "present" twice.  Curious. 
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,318
    mcgruff10 said:
    Since this was voted on party lines this is doa when it hits the Senate.  
    Yeah, nothing surprising there. The GOP will some day realize the error of their ways decades from now when this will be a huge embarrassment on the entire party and those who went along with it. Pathetic.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,023
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Since this was voted on party lines this is doa when it hits the Senate.  
    Yeah, nothing surprising there. The GOP will some day realize the error of their ways decades from now when this will be a huge embarrassment on the entire party and those who went along with it. Pathetic.
    Party before country. This will somehow backfire on the dems. 
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    Well at least if Biden wins we will have a POTUS with an impeccable record and guarded public speaking that will in no way open himself up to the GOP using this as a precident to launch a similar show in a few years.  Whew.  
    So you think what Trump did with Ukraine is either acceptable or standard presidential behavior?
    What I think is that this will get shot down in the Senate. 
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