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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,547
    OnWis97 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well now hopefully we will hear from others.....

    I honestly believe trump thinks he did nothing wrong. And that is the biggest problem.
    I’d say the biggest problem is that the Party of Trump will protect him at all costs.  We should be able to withstand this, per the constitution.  But the framers didn’t anticipate Party First.
    Yup
    The grand old man party has its priorities....

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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,020
    Big question in the court of law is " was this illegal?" and "Is it an abuse of power?"

    Also I think Biden is done too.  
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    pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,201
    benjs said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    In case you wanted to read it. The Whistleblowers memo.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/read-full-text-whistleblower-complaint-n1058971
    To me, I find it interesting when the whistleblower writes that he or she wasn’t present for most of these events. That means he or she was directly present for some of them, and I suspect those details will come out to Congress somehow, and I suspect those are the only ones republicans will be forced to address. The rest they can probably say is just political theatre unless it’s corroborated.
    Except the call is on tape.  they tried to get rid of it and moved it but it's still there.  remember yesterday's document was a summary.  the tape could be the thing that gets him...just like Nixon. wouldn't that be fucking ironic?
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
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    pjhawks said:
    benjs said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    In case you wanted to read it. The Whistleblowers memo.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/read-full-text-whistleblower-complaint-n1058971
    To me, I find it interesting when the whistleblower writes that he or she wasn’t present for most of these events. That means he or she was directly present for some of them, and I suspect those details will come out to Congress somehow, and I suspect those are the only ones republicans will be forced to address. The rest they can probably say is just political theatre unless it’s corroborated.
    Except the call is on tape.  they tried to get rid of it and moved it but it's still there.  remember yesterday's document was a summary.  the tape could be the thing that gets him...just like Nixon. wouldn't that be fucking ironic?
    I was thinking the same thing. Love it. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,609
    Two hundred and nineteen House Democrats and one independent — a majority of the chamber's 435 members — now favor some kind of impeachment action against President Donald Trump, according to an NBC News tally.

    Critical mass has been reached. Will Moscow Mitchy Baby be able to keep senate repubs from defecting? Only need 16 defections and at least 10 senators are vulnerable in re-election. Is this the type of behavior that Tom "I'm a Warrior, Hear Me Roar" Cotton fought for in Iraq? What's Randy Paul have to say about this malfeasance? Mittens Romney, from that true honest state of Mormonism? Susan I-can-redeem-myself-from-my-Cavanaugh-vote Collins? Maybe Tom Steyer can direct some of that money toward some early advertising in senate races? Fun times ahead!
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,969
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Big question in the court of law is " was this illegal?" and "Is it an abuse of power?"

    Also I think Biden is done too.  
    How?  The Biden/Ukraine thing is bullshit.  Debunked years ago.
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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    Washington Post story today
    A first: Vermont GOP governor backs Trump impeachment probe
    Falling down,...not staying down
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    LizardLizard So Cal Posts: 12,073
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    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Big question in the court of law is " was this illegal?" and "Is it an abuse of power?"

    Also I think Biden is done too.  
    How?  The Biden/Ukraine thing is bullshit.  Debunked years ago.
    This... I just read yesterday about that whole issue---talk about spin
    So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,921
    Kat said:
    Washington Post story today
    A first: Vermont GOP governor backs Trump impeachment probe
    Certainly not 100% of them but on the whole New England makes better Republicans than the rest of the country. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,287
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    The senate voted unanimously to release the complaint. They're not going to ignore it. They can't. Cracks have already formed. More will come.

    The Impeachment Train is rolling along at full speed, ladies and gentlemen. Hop on. Plenty of room. 


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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,542
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    Lizard said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Big question in the court of law is " was this illegal?" and "Is it an abuse of power?"

    Also I think Biden is done too.  
    How?  The Biden/Ukraine thing is bullshit.  Debunked years ago.
    This... I just read yesterday about that whole issue---talk about spin
    If anything, it could help Biden.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,287
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Lizard said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Big question in the court of law is " was this illegal?" and "Is it an abuse of power?"

    Also I think Biden is done too.  
    How?  The Biden/Ukraine thing is bullshit.  Debunked years ago.
    This... I just read yesterday about that whole issue---talk about spin
    If anything, it could help Biden.
    I think it might help him too but he started slipping before this stuff even came up. Kind of undermines the whole thing about Trump being some kind of political genius if he went through all this trouble digging up dirt against a guy who doesn't even end up as the nominee. 

    What a fucking idiot. 
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,542
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    The Juggler said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Lizard said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Big question in the court of law is " was this illegal?" and "Is it an abuse of power?"

    Also I think Biden is done too.  
    How?  The Biden/Ukraine thing is bullshit.  Debunked years ago.
    This... I just read yesterday about that whole issue---talk about spin
    If anything, it could help Biden.
    I think it might help him too but he started slipping before this stuff even came up. Kind of undermines the whole thing about Trump being some kind of political genius if he went through all this trouble digging up dirt against a guy who doesn't even end up as the nominee. 

    What a fucking idiot. 
    True, Biden was already slipping for other reasons, and Warren is surging, which I think is awesome, and it probably infuriates Trump, which makes me happy. Especially since the only thing he can come up with against her is still the Pocahontas thing, which just makes him look like a racist.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,609
    Washington Post reporting that the disparity between rich and poor has never been higher since they started keeping track in 1967 and that income has remained stagnate for the past 20 years. Biden was part of that for 8 of those years and Team Trump Treason for the past 3 years. Warren will play this to her advantage and is surging because she continues to work hard and talk bread and butter issues. More her hard work and less joe slipping.
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    MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,611
    At some point, you would think that the Bernie supporters will join forces with Warren as their platforms are the most similar.  
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,609
    PJ_Soul said:
    The Juggler said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Lizard said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Big question in the court of law is " was this illegal?" and "Is it an abuse of power?"

    Also I think Biden is done too.  
    How?  The Biden/Ukraine thing is bullshit.  Debunked years ago.
    This... I just read yesterday about that whole issue---talk about spin
    If anything, it could help Biden.
    I think it might help him too but he started slipping before this stuff even came up. Kind of undermines the whole thing about Trump being some kind of political genius if he went through all this trouble digging up dirt against a guy who doesn't even end up as the nominee. 

    What a fucking idiot. 
    True, Biden was already slipping for other reasons, and Warren is surging, which I think is awesome, and it probably infuriates Trump, which makes me happy. Especially since the only thing he can come up with against her is still the Pocahontas thing, which just makes him look like a racist.
    Lying about your heritage or abusing your power of the presidency. Pocahontas or Benedict Trump? Rich spoiled brat or hard working middle class looking out for you and the environment? Squeaky clean or corrupt as they come? The choice will be glaring.
     
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    LizardLizard So Cal Posts: 12,073
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    Breaking via NYT: Trump told staff from the U.S. Mission to the United Nations that he wants to know who provided info to the whistleblower, saying that whoever did so was "close to a spy" and that "in the old days," spies were dealt with differently.
    So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,287
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    Apparently at the UN Trump told aides to find out who the whistleblower was and said something like "back in the old days we dealt with traitors differently." I believe he is inferring he would like the whistleblower to be shot?
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,542
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    The Juggler said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Lizard said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Big question in the court of law is " was this illegal?" and "Is it an abuse of power?"

    Also I think Biden is done too.  
    How?  The Biden/Ukraine thing is bullshit.  Debunked years ago.
    This... I just read yesterday about that whole issue---talk about spin
    If anything, it could help Biden.
    I think it might help him too but he started slipping before this stuff even came up. Kind of undermines the whole thing about Trump being some kind of political genius if he went through all this trouble digging up dirt against a guy who doesn't even end up as the nominee. 

    What a fucking idiot. 
    True, Biden was already slipping for other reasons, and Warren is surging, which I think is awesome, and it probably infuriates Trump, which makes me happy. Especially since the only thing he can come up with against her is still the Pocahontas thing, which just makes him look like a racist.
    Lying about your heritage or abusing your power of the presidency. Pocahontas or Benedict Trump? Rich spoiled brat or hard working middle class looking out for you and the environment? Squeaky clean or corrupt as they come? The choice will be glaring.
     
    She wasn't even lying. She genuinely thought those were her roots because that is what she was always told by her family.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,287
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    The Juggler said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Lizard said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Big question in the court of law is " was this illegal?" and "Is it an abuse of power?"

    Also I think Biden is done too.  
    How?  The Biden/Ukraine thing is bullshit.  Debunked years ago.
    This... I just read yesterday about that whole issue---talk about spin
    If anything, it could help Biden.
    I think it might help him too but he started slipping before this stuff even came up. Kind of undermines the whole thing about Trump being some kind of political genius if he went through all this trouble digging up dirt against a guy who doesn't even end up as the nominee. 

    What a fucking idiot. 
    True, Biden was already slipping for other reasons, and Warren is surging, which I think is awesome, and it probably infuriates Trump, which makes me happy. Especially since the only thing he can come up with against her is still the Pocahontas thing, which just makes him look like a racist.
    Lying about your heritage or abusing your power of the presidency. Pocahontas or Benedict Trump? Rich spoiled brat or hard working middle class looking out for you and the environment? Squeaky clean or corrupt as they come? The choice will be glaring.
     
    She wasn't even lying. She genuinely thought those were her roots because that is what she was always told by her family.
    Yeah. I'm not even a big Warren fan but I agree with that take. It's what she was told since she was a kid so she just believed it. Lots of families have stories like that. That whole thing was way overblown. 
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,728
    The Juggler said:
    Apparently at the UN Trump told aides to find out who the whistleblower was and said something like "back in the old days we dealt with traitors differently." I believe he is inferring he would like the whistleblower to be shot?
    Or hanged or stoned to death. Depends on what “old days” he’s talking about. But yes, probably shot. 
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    LizardLizard So Cal Posts: 12,073
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Apparently at the UN Trump told aides to find out who the whistleblower was and said something like "back in the old days we dealt with traitors differently." I believe he is inferring he would like the whistleblower to be shot?
    Or hanged or stoned to death. Depends on what “old days” he’s talking about. But yes, probably shot. 
    shall we also apply that to treasonous presidents, trump?
    So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,020
    Lizard said:
    Breaking via NYT: Trump told staff from the U.S. Mission to the United Nations that he wants to know who provided info to the whistleblower, saying that whoever did so was "close to a spy" and that "in the old days," spies were dealt with differently.
    The Juggler said:
    Apparently at the UN Trump told aides to find out who the whistleblower was and said something like "back in the old days we dealt with traitors differently." I believe he is inferring he would like the whistleblower to be shot?
    Telephone game.  
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
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    Lizard said:
    Breaking via NYT: Trump told staff from the U.S. Mission to the United Nations that he wants to know who provided info to the whistleblower, saying that whoever did so was "close to a spy" and that "in the old days," spies were dealt with differently.
    obstruction, anyone? witness tampering? wow. the depths of his idiocy knows no bounds. 
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,629
    Lizard said:
    Breaking via NYT: Trump told staff from the U.S. Mission to the United Nations that he wants to know who provided info to the whistleblower, saying that whoever did so was "close to a spy" and that "in the old days," spies were dealt with differently.
    Rational brains: we have a mobster for a president. 

    Maga brain: look at trump kicking ass and cleaning up the deep state traitors. 
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,728
    Go Beavers said:
    Lizard said:
    Breaking via NYT: Trump told staff from the U.S. Mission to the United Nations that he wants to know who provided info to the whistleblower, saying that whoever did so was "close to a spy" and that "in the old days," spies were dealt with differently.
    Rational brains: we have a mobster for a president. 

    Maga brain: look at trump kicking ass and cleaning up the deep state traitors. 
    He's basically Biff from the alternate 1985 in Back to the Future 2; a crooked casino owner with more power than he deserves or knows how to handle.

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    PJ_Soul said:
    The Juggler said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Lizard said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Big question in the court of law is " was this illegal?" and "Is it an abuse of power?"

    Also I think Biden is done too.  
    How?  The Biden/Ukraine thing is bullshit.  Debunked years ago.
    This... I just read yesterday about that whole issue---talk about spin
    If anything, it could help Biden.
    I think it might help him too but he started slipping before this stuff even came up. Kind of undermines the whole thing about Trump being some kind of political genius if he went through all this trouble digging up dirt against a guy who doesn't even end up as the nominee. 

    What a fucking idiot. 
    True, Biden was already slipping for other reasons, and Warren is surging, which I think is awesome, and it probably infuriates Trump, which makes me happy. Especially since the only thing he can come up with against her is still the Pocahontas thing, which just makes him look like a racist.
    Wait, he only "looks like" a racist?
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,542
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    cdthomas1981 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    The Juggler said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Lizard said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Big question in the court of law is " was this illegal?" and "Is it an abuse of power?"

    Also I think Biden is done too.  
    How?  The Biden/Ukraine thing is bullshit.  Debunked years ago.
    This... I just read yesterday about that whole issue---talk about spin
    If anything, it could help Biden.
    I think it might help him too but he started slipping before this stuff even came up. Kind of undermines the whole thing about Trump being some kind of political genius if he went through all this trouble digging up dirt against a guy who doesn't even end up as the nominee. 

    What a fucking idiot. 
    True, Biden was already slipping for other reasons, and Warren is surging, which I think is awesome, and it probably infuriates Trump, which makes me happy. Especially since the only thing he can come up with against her is still the Pocahontas thing, which just makes him look like a racist.
    Wait, he only "looks like" a racist?
    Well he is a racist obviously, but you know what I mean.
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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,502
    PJ_Soul said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    The Juggler said:
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    Big question in the court of law is " was this illegal?" and "Is it an abuse of power?"

    Also I think Biden is done too.  
    How?  The Biden/Ukraine thing is bullshit.  Debunked years ago.
    This... I just read yesterday about that whole issue---talk about spin
    If anything, it could help Biden.
    I think it might help him too but he started slipping before this stuff even came up. Kind of undermines the whole thing about Trump being some kind of political genius if he went through all this trouble digging up dirt against a guy who doesn't even end up as the nominee. 

    What a fucking idiot. 
    True, Biden was already slipping for other reasons, and Warren is surging, which I think is awesome, and it probably infuriates Trump, which makes me happy. Especially since the only thing he can come up with against her is still the Pocahontas thing, which just makes him look like a racist.
    Wait, he only "looks like" a racist?
    Well he is a racist obviously, but you know what I mean.
    Yes I know.  I was giving you shit. :)
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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    Jack Ryan?  :)

    From the NYTimes:
    WASHINGTON — The whistle-blower who revealed that President Trump sought foreign help for his re-election and that the White House sought to cover it up is a C.I.A. officer who was detailed to work at the White House at one point, according to three people familiar with his identity.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/politics/who-is-whistleblower.html
    Falling down,...not staying down
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