Streamlining the impeachment process to focus on this one issue makes a lot of sense. It's easy to understand, it's impeachable, and he has admitted being guilty as hell. Going deeper into his many other shady dealings will only muddy the waters.
ONE issue. Word up.
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I think (hope) Trump will be impeached but I seriously doubt the Republican strong Senate will vote him out. No president has ever been voted out by the Senate and the Republicans will not vote out one of their own (no matter how much they privately likely wish he wasn't one of their own). But this should do much to lessen his chance for re-election. I can live with that!
They need 218 votes in the house to impeach, they are at 213.
I hope they get at least 213. I still doubt the Senate will vote to remove him though. :-(
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The problem with the transcript is that there's still a level of interpretation the Republicans can side step around. There needs to be something more clear and convincing to turn this bi-partisan.
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The problem with the transcript is that there's still a level of interpretation the Republicans can side step around. There needs to be something more clear and convincing to turn this bi-partisan.
If you are not convinced by the transcript*, you aren't going to be convinced by anything. This won't be bipartisan.
After trying with the latest storm and get up to speed and watching every politician say every other opposing politician needs to resign, this pretty much sums up how I feel ...
Good lord, I'm just as concerned about what the Ukraine president said in that transcript as I am about what Trump said. I wonder how Ukrainians are responding to it?? I mean, unless he's just completely lying to Trump in order to stroke his ridiculous ego, which is possible, he seems to be looking to Trump as a great example of how to do things. Even as some kind of mentor.
Trump is a very clear enemy to those countries that are supposed to be America's allies, and a friend to America's enemies. He makes this clear almost every day, and did it again during that phone call, particularly when it comes to Germany and the EU in general. That makes Trump America's enemy, no? It is very weird to me that so many Americans don't care very much about this.
Finally, I wonder how Putin feels about this transcript?
The Ukraine was invaded by Putin and they annexed Crimea. Donnie's on team Putin, so why wouldn't he intimidate like a third rate mob boss? Don Trump thinks he's tough, but he is not.
Nice to see Bill Barr's fingerprints on this though. Another Barr memo.
The whistleblower is gonna be where the real real comes out.
Impeach the lot of them NOW.
Giuliani's role is pretty crazy too... Do you know how "normal" it is for a President's personal lawyer to be doing shit like this??? Has that kind of thing ever happened before, or is this a first? ... I suppose in the past Presidents and their lawyers might have been a hell of a lot smarter than these yahoos, and we would have known a lot less if anything like this was happening. Anyway.... could Giuliani be charged with something? If so, what? What kinds of protections does he have as the POTUS's personal lawyer?? Any?
This transcript brings up so much questions it's almost blowing my mind, lol.
Good lord, I'm just as concerned about what the Ukraine president said in that transcript as I am about what Trump said. I wonder how Ukrainians are responding to it?? I mean, unless he's just completely lying to Trump in order to stroke his ridiculous ego, which is possible, he seems to be looking to Trump as a great example of how to do things. Even as some kind of mentor.
Trump is a very clear enemy to those countries that are supposed to be America's allies, and a friend to America's enemies. He makes this clear almost every day, and did it again during that phone call, particularly when it comes to Germany and the EU in general. That makes Trump America's enemy, no? It is very weird to me that so many Americans don't care very much about this.
Finally, I wonder how Putin feels about this transcript?
The Ukraine was invaded by Putin and they annexed Crimea. Donnie's on team Putin, so why wouldn't he intimidate like a third rate mob boss? Don Trump thinks he's tough, but he is not.
Nice to see Bill Barr's fingerprints on this though. Another Barr memo.
The whistleblower is gonna be where the real real comes out.
Impeach the lot of them NOW.
Giuliani's role is pretty crazy too... Do you know how "normal" it is for a President's personal lawyer to be doing shit like this??? Has that kind of thing ever happened before, or is this a first? ... I suppose in the past Presidents and their lawyers might have been a hell of a lot smarter than these yahoos, and we would have known a lot less if anything like this was happening. Anyway.... could Giuliani be charged with something? If so, what? What kinds of protections does he have as the POTUS's personal lawyer?? Any?
This transcript brings up so much questions it's almost blowing my mind, lol.
Typically I think this is something that goes through the State Department. Trump’s early work was to essentially gut the State Dept by just leaving positions vacant. It makes more sense now. He’s carrying out foreign policy with 3rd party private citizens which removes accountability and has been trump’s way of operating for years in order to skirt the law. All of his corrupt shit has someone else carrying out the dirty work and he tries to destroy/avoid any record of communication in order to claim he had no idea what was happening. It’s in all the Interactions with Russians and also with anything Cohen was doing, for example.
“White House officials told me they were ‘directed’ by White House lawyers to remove the electronic transcript ...officials had intervened to 'lock down' all the records... this was ‘not the first time’ under this admin that a presidential transcript was placed into this code-word level system. This set of actions underscored to me that the White House understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call.”
"U.S. officials were deeply concerned by ... Mr. Giuliani's circumvention of National Security decision-making processes"
“White House officials told me they were ‘directed’ by White House lawyers to remove the electronic transcript ...officials had intervened to 'lock down' all the records... this was ‘not the first time’ under this admin that a presidential transcript was placed into this code-word level system. This set of actions underscored to me that the White House understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call.”
"U.S. officials were deeply concerned by ... Mr. Giuliani's circumvention of National Security decision-making processes"
Yuriy Lutsenko wanted to stay his position as Prosecutor General of Ukraine after Zelensky was elected so he dangled fabricated dirt about Biden in front of Trump. Trump was attracted to this like a fly to dogshit and now he's losing the presidency over it. All because of Lutsenko's game to keep his job and Trump is actually corrupt enough to bite at the bait. What a shit show.
“White House officials told me they were ‘directed’ by White House lawyers to remove the electronic transcript ...officials had intervened to 'lock down' all the records... this was ‘not the first time’ under this admin that a presidential transcript was placed into this code-word level system. This set of actions underscored to me that the White House understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call.”
"U.S. officials were deeply concerned by ... Mr. Giuliani's circumvention of National Security decision-making processes"
"Barr appears to be involved as well"
Where did this quote come from?
the directed by white house lawyers to remove the transcript is in the memo.
“White House officials told me they were ‘directed’ by White House lawyers to remove the electronic transcript ...officials had intervened to 'lock down' all the records... this was ‘not the first time’ under this admin that a presidential transcript was placed into this code-word level system. This set of actions underscored to me that the White House understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call.”
"U.S. officials were deeply concerned by ... Mr. Giuliani's circumvention of National Security decision-making processes"
Rep. Nunes says the whistleblower complaint relies on "hearsay"
Story taken from CNN.
So is it heresay or is there actual proof that an actual word for word document exists because if there isn't then this shitshow will ALWAYS have questions unanswered?
Rep. Nunes says the whistleblower complaint relies on "hearsay"
Story taken from CNN.
So is it heresay or is there actual proof that an actual word for word document exists because if there isn't then this shitshow will ALWAYS have questions unanswered?
Rep. Nunes says the whistleblower complaint relies on "hearsay"
Story taken from CNN.
So is it heresay or is there actual proof that an actual word for word document exists because if there isn't then this shitshow will ALWAYS have questions unanswered?
Witnesses and records.
I'm asking because I can't find it.
Where is the word for word document? I've found the "whistleblower memo" that has a few things still marked as classified but have not seen the actual transcript yet.
Rep. Nunes says the whistleblower complaint relies on "hearsay"
Story taken from CNN.
So is it heresay or is there actual proof that an actual word for word document exists because if there isn't then this shitshow will ALWAYS have questions unanswered?
Witnesses and records.
That's the frustrating thing about most of this. If you want, you can still spin the narrative based on interpretation. The only way you can impeach Trump is to have the conservative Republicans on board. They would have to be provided a smoking gun to sway their opinion, given the fact they've sold their souls to Trumpster Fire's administration and will continue to support tooth-and-nail so they don't lose control of the executive branch.
I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
Rep. Nunes says the whistleblower complaint relies on "hearsay"
Story taken from CNN.
So is it heresay or is there actual proof that an actual word for word document exists because if there isn't then this shitshow will ALWAYS have questions unanswered?
Witnesses and records.
That's the frustrating thing about most of this. If you want, you can still spin the narrative based on interpretation. The only way you can impeach Trump is to have the conservative Republicans on board. They would have to be provided a smoking gun to sway their opinion, given the fact they've sold their souls to Trumpster Fire's administration and will continue to support tooth-and-nail so they don't lose control of the executive branch.
Pretty much.
Also, it's "smocking" gun. Get with the lingo man.
To me, I find it interesting when the whistleblower writes that he or she wasn’t present for most of these events. That means he or she was directly present for some of them, and I suspect those details will come out to Congress somehow, and I suspect those are the only ones republicans will be forced to address. The rest they can probably say is just political theatre unless it’s corroborated.
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I honestly believe trump thinks he did nothing wrong. And that is the biggest problem.
I’d say the biggest problem is that the Party of Trump will protect him at all costs. We should be able to withstand this, per the constitution. But the framers didn’t anticipate Party First.
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- Remember when he said he was withholding the funds due to corruption in Ukraine?
- Remember when he said that other countries weren't contributing enough to Ukraine so we shouldn't?
- Remember when he said they (Ukraine) were the ones who brought up Biden?
Nothing that asshat says makes sense or has any basis in fact. He's a lying liar. #ITMFAPentagon letter certified Ukraine had taken action to decrease corruption before White House blocked aid
Donald Trump said European nations have not put money into Ukraine. They have put in a lot
Zelenskiy advisor: Ukraine 'understood' discussing Biden was condition for talking to Trump
I honestly believe trump thinks he did nothing wrong. And that is the biggest problem.
“White House officials told me they were ‘directed’ by White House lawyers to remove the electronic transcript ...officials had intervened to 'lock down' all the records... this was ‘not the first time’ under this admin that a presidential transcript was placed into this code-word level system. This set of actions underscored to me that the White House understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call.”
"U.S. officials were deeply concerned by ... Mr. Giuliani's circumvention of National Security decision-making processes"
"Barr appears to be involved as well"
Rep. Nunes says the whistleblower complaint relies on "hearsay"
Story taken from CNN.
So is it heresay or is there actual proof that an actual word for word document exists because if there isn't then this shitshow will ALWAYS have questions unanswered?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Where is the word for word document? I've found the "whistleblower memo" that has a few things still marked as classified but have not seen the actual transcript yet.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/read-full-text-whistleblower-complaint-n1058971
Also, it's "smocking" gun. Get with the lingo man.
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