Obamacare is a mess

Go Beavers

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

2 parents with advanced medical training and experience, and we still took our 2 year old son to the ER when he had croup.  Knowing what it was and how seldom it has drastic consequences didn't matter much when he was hyperventilating and struggling to breathe through coughs.

Then again, there are some legitimately stupid people out there.  59 million at least lol

Air is fundamental.

Shortness of breath and persistent cough is a far cry from a middle aged person running to Emergency for the 6th time in 6 months because their nose is running.

ok, I can't seriously believe your example actually happens. 

You don't think there are hypochondriacs that access our medical system repeatedly and when not necessary?

My example was obviously trite, but abuse exists at a level that is far greater than what is being acknowledged here.

I'm saying we live with it (what choice do we have?), but it is problematic to some degree.

so what?  Some people take 2-3 samples at Costco too.  Some people suck.  That doesn't have anything to do with the issues facing healthcare.

Does it still count as taking 2-3 samples if I grab some for my kids....who are still using a bottle?

Grab all the samples you want, just don't clog the aisle and block my cheese access. 

ponytd

Gern Blansten said:

ponytd said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

2 parents with advanced medical training and experience, and we still took our 2 year old son to the ER when he had croup.  Knowing what it was and how seldom it has drastic consequences didn't matter much when he was hyperventilating and struggling to breathe through coughs.

Then again, there are some legitimately stupid people out there.  59 million at least lol

Air is fundamental.

Shortness of breath and persistent cough is a far cry from a middle aged person running to Emergency for the 6th time in 6 months because their nose is running.

ok, I can't seriously believe your example actually happens. 

You don't think there are hypochondriacs that access our medical system repeatedly and when not necessary?

My example was obviously trite, but abuse exists at a level that is far greater than what is being acknowledged here.

I'm saying we live with it (what choice do we have?), but it is problematic to some degree.

so what?  Some people take 2-3 samples at Costco too.  Some people suck.  That doesn't have anything to do with the issues facing healthcare.

Yeah, it has a lot to do with it. People that abuse the system (which involves way more than just unnecessary ER visits), cause premiums to go up, which causes you to spend more money

Cost/premiums go up because there are costs assigned.  If I enter an ER and visit a treatment room a "cost" gets assigned to that even though there is technically no "cost".  If 10 people get treated for the flu in that room the hospital bills $4000....if one person gets treated in that room in the same time period on another day the hospital bills $400.  The "cost" of that room has not changed...but the payouts by the insurance company have.

That is true, but not the main reason. there are a lot of factors that go into raised premiums, like billing errors, FWA (fraud, waste and abuse), malpractice, etc

Gern Blansten

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

2 parents with advanced medical training and experience, and we still took our 2 year old son to the ER when he had croup.  Knowing what it was and how seldom it has drastic consequences didn't matter much when he was hyperventilating and struggling to breathe through coughs.

Then again, there are some legitimately stupid people out there.  59 million at least lol

Air is fundamental.

Shortness of breath and persistent cough is a far cry from a middle aged person running to Emergency for the 6th time in 6 months because their nose is running.

ok, I can't seriously believe your example actually happens. 

You don't think there are hypochondriacs that access our medical system repeatedly and when not necessary?

My example was obviously trite, but abuse exists at a level that is far greater than what is being acknowledged here.

I'm saying we live with it (what choice do we have?), but it is problematic to some degree.

so what?  Some people take 2-3 samples at Costco too.  Some people suck.  That doesn't have anything to do with the issues facing healthcare.

Does it still count as taking 2-3 samples if I grab some for my kids....who are still using a bottle?

Grab all the samples you want, just don't clog the aisle and block my cheese access. 

Isn't it infuriating to just want to go down a damn aisle and people are standing around like it's a line at McDonald's?  Sometimes I just want to crash my cart through them leaving carnage in my path.

mace1229

my wife won't let me push the cart on Sundays at Costco, because she's afraid I will do that.

HughFreakingDillon

i have been inside a costco maybe once or twice. hate it. I don't need a 400lb bag of doritos anyway. 

mace1229

I used to hate Costco too, thinking the same thing. But not everything is in bulk, and some stuff that is is still worth it. And sometimes others the bulk is just buying 3 normal sized jars wrapped together, so if you have room in the pantry its worth it.
We caved in and decided it was worth the membership for the dog food alone, best quality at a really good price.
Then we had our first kid and buy pretty much anything kid related (diapers, wipes) and all our detergent there too. No problem buying those in bulk.
Their meat is really good too, I got tired of being grossed out with supermarket steaks and beef, and they have great meat there. It is usually in bulk, but its easily frozen. 83% fat free beef there is cheaper than 70% at the grocery store, you just have to buy 6 lbs at a time.
Dairy is awesome, the 5 lb block of cheese is the literally same price as the 2 lb block at the grocery store, so we just freeze half a block when we buy it.
Lots of random tools or yard supplies that are good deals too. Carry camping gear, summer toys, and tons of other things too than just the giant bag of chips that I used to associate it with.
I thought I'd hate it when we joined about 3 years ago, but I like it more and more. I think they give trial memberships, I think its totally worth giving it a shot.

rgambs

mace1229 said:

I used to hate Costco too, thinking the same thing. But not everything is in bulk, and some stuff that is is still worth it. And sometimes others the bulk is just buying 3 normal sized jars wrapped together, so if you have room in the pantry its worth it.
We caved in and decided it was worth the membership for the dog food alone, best quality at a really good price.
Then we had our first kid and buy pretty much anything kid related (diapers, wipes) and all our detergent there too. No problem buying those in bulk.
Their meat is really good too, I got tired of being grossed out with supermarket steaks and beef, and they have great meat there. It is usually in bulk, but its easily frozen. 83% fat free beef there is cheaper than 70% at the grocery store, you just have to buy 6 lbs at a time.
Dairy is awesome, the 5 lb block of cheese is the literally same price as the 2 lb block at the grocery store, so we just freeze half a block when we buy it.
Lots of random tools or yard supplies that are good deals too. Carry camping gear, summer toys, and tons of other things too than just the giant bag of chips that I used to associate it with.
I thought I'd hate it when we joined about 3 years ago, but I like it more and more. I think they give trial memberships, I think its totally worth giving it a shot.

I've never been to a Costco, none around here.  
Do they have Cabot Seriously Sharp Cheddar?
I go to (shuddering at the thought) Walmart because it's the only place I can get it. 

oftenreading

New thread title..... "Obamacare is a mess but Costco isn't so bad"

PJfanwillneverleave1

President Trump agrees with this thread as per his tweet
Of course the Australians have better healthcare than we do --everybody does. ObamaCare is dead! But our healthcare will soon be great!

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

President Trump agrees with this thread as per his tweet
Of course the Australians have better healthcare than we do --everybody does. ObamaCare is dead! But our healthcare will soon be great!

Australia has single payer government healthcare.

PJfanwillneverleave1

From the POTUS page....

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/863159634814787586

CM189191

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

From the POTUS page....

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/863159634814787586

Why is Trump letting all these insurers pull out of ACA?  He should just call them and tell them to stay like he did with Carrier and Ford.  Such weak negotiating skills, bad!

brianlux

Kunstler's Friday blog really nailed the health care crisis right on the head.  Worth checking out:

http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/rain-dance/

gimmesometruth27

that senate bill is a MESS.

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

I used to hate Costco too, thinking the same thing. But not everything is in bulk, and some stuff that is is still worth it. And sometimes others the bulk is just buying 3 normal sized jars wrapped together, so if you have room in the pantry its worth it.
We caved in and decided it was worth the membership for the dog food alone, best quality at a really good price.
Then we had our first kid and buy pretty much anything kid related (diapers, wipes) and all our detergent there too. No problem buying those in bulk.
Their meat is really good too, I got tired of being grossed out with supermarket steaks and beef, and they have great meat there. It is usually in bulk, but its easily frozen. 83% fat free beef there is cheaper than 70% at the grocery store, you just have to buy 6 lbs at a time.
Dairy is awesome, the 5 lb block of cheese is the literally same price as the 2 lb block at the grocery store, so we just freeze half a block when we buy it.
Lots of random tools or yard supplies that are good deals too. Carry camping gear, summer toys, and tons of other things too than just the giant bag of chips that I used to associate it with.
I thought I'd hate it when we joined about 3 years ago, but I like it more and more. I think they give trial memberships, I think its totally worth giving it a shot.

The precooked bacon is worth the price of membership.

We stick to certain things but I love Costco.  Their $20 bottle of Vodka is like buying a $40 bottle of Grey Goose.  It's from France and I have been told that it is Grey Goose but that isn't verified.  The bottle shape is similar so they might be trying to tell us something.

The meat and seafood is very good.  We tend to buy some "ready to cook" entrees as well from their meat counter.  Their stuffed peppers are awesome.  Mac and cheese isn't bad.  

I totally agree about the seasonal stuff.  We bought beach chairs and umbrellas there a few years ago at about half of what was being charged by Amazon for the same shit.

Fuck tRump!!

josevolution

I walked into ER @local hospital suffering Heart attack was taken care of in 5mnts had me in procedure room in 30mnts this was 3yrs ago ..

dignin

The Senate Republican healthcare bill is collapsing

http://www.businessinsider.com/senate-republican-healthcare-bill-bcra-trumpcare-vote-count-2017-6

RiotZact

If Obamacare is dead like Trump says, then this thing never even lived at all.

Halifax2TheMax

RiotZact said:

If Obamacare is dead like Trump says, then this thing never even lived at all.

Still born?

RiotZact

Halifax2TheMax said:

RiotZact said:

If Obamacare is dead like Trump says, then this thing never even lived at all.

Still born?

Abortion?

jeffbr

RiotZact said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

RiotZact said:

If Obamacare is dead like Trump says, then this thing never even lived at all.

Still born?

Abortion?

Yes, the Republican plan is an abortion for sure. A late-term abortion, since they've had many years to prepare for this.

Halifax2TheMax

jeffbr said:

RiotZact said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

RiotZact said:

If Obamacare is dead like Trump says, then this thing never even lived at all.

Still born?

Abortion?

Yes, the Republican plan is an abortion for sure. A late-term abortion, since they've had many years to prepare for this.

According to the republicans, it was alive at conception, even preconception. So, as such, it should be allowed to live.

gimmesometruth27

no they should be forced to carry it to term and bring it to a vote. even though it is going to be stillborn, dead on arrival.

gimmesometruth27

they are going to have to amend it. the freedom caucus won't support it as it is now. they want to make it even crueler if that is possible.

you know what is going to happen? They are going to come up with some bill, pass it, send it back to the house for them to approve, and they are going to make the house members gamble their careers by voting for a bill that is less popular than genital warts. seriously, genital warts are viewed more favorably than this bill.

HesCalledDyer

Ya know, perhaps if they actually focused on CREATING a health care bill instead of just throwing something together so that the ACA is no longer the thing...  That is one of two main purposes they are doing this. 1) To line their pockets and 2) Undo another thing because Obama's name is attached.  Those are the only two things Trumps gives a flying fuck about.  Making himself richer and undoing Obama stuff.

Fuck Trump.

ikiT

It's not like the R's had any time to work on carefully crafting it...
Douchebags.

jeffbr

Warren Buffett Makes The Case For Single-Payer Health Care

"The United States, virtually alone among developed nations without a universal single-payer system, has by far the world’s highest per-person health care costs ― and based on many key criteria, it nonetheless has worse outcomes."

We rank 1st in per-person health care costs in the world ($9,237/person), and 12th in life expectancy. Clearly what we're doing, and have been doing, isn't working. 10 years ago you wouldn't hear me advocating for single-payer, but I'm sick and tired of seeing families bankrupted by medical costs, so seeing friends not seeking treatments because they can't afford them. It is time to experiment with a system that seems to be working in every other developed nation. Are there problems with other nations' health care systems? Sure. Just like we have massive problems here. But we're paying top shelf prices for mediocre coverage as it is.

gimmesometruth27

Tiki said:

It's not like the R's had any time to work on carefully crafting it...
Douchebags.

they had 8 years but they never thought they would be in this position. they ran on repealing something that was popular. they did not think the people would be stupid enough to give them both houses and the presidency. i am willing to bet that they were just paying lip service and never once thought that they would actually have to try to repeal it. that is why we are seeing the shitty bills put forward now. 

Cliffy6745

Ding dong the witch is dead. Now get money back into the markets and do right by Americans 

gimmesometruth27

just wait. they will try to repeal it again. i will not believe the repeal effort is over until the republicans lose either the house or senate.