Text of Muslim Ban Executive Order in a few posts

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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,484
    JC29856 said:

    What's the number of travelers that were actually detained at airports? WH says 109.
    (1 is too many but I'm trying to get a solid number of those detained at US airports)

    Fact check: White House claims 109 affected by travel ban - it's more like 90,000

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-fact-check-people-affected-by-travel-ban-20170130-story.html
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Shocked that for 18 months now Trump called for banning and extreme vetting of immigrants, and once in office issued EOs to that end? I wouldnt call that shocking, if it is shocking then you weren't paying attention.
    Sessions will be confirmed even if Trump did absolutely nothing in the days since his inauguration. Excluding DeVos who else have the Democrats pushed back on??
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    What's the number of travelers that were actually detained at airports? WH says 109.
    (1 is too many but I'm trying to get a solid number of those detained at US airports)

    Fact check: White House claims 109 affected by travel ban - it's more like 90,000

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-fact-check-people-affected-by-travel-ban-20170130-story.html
    Thanks for the info, but I was looking for the actual number of people detained due to the illegal and unconstitutional Muslim ban, not affected.
    Since the AG and federal judges blocked the order, Im curious to know how many slam dunk law suits will be won against Trump and the justice department for the illegal and unconstitutional detainment and/or deportation of Muslims.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,484
    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    What's the number of travelers that were actually detained at airports? WH says 109.
    (1 is too many but I'm trying to get a solid number of those detained at US airports)

    Fact check: White House claims 109 affected by travel ban - it's more like 90,000

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-fact-check-people-affected-by-travel-ban-20170130-story.html
    Thanks for the info, but I was looking for the actual number of people detained due to the illegal and unconstitutional Muslim ban, not affected.
    Since the AG and federal judges blocked the order, Im curious to know how many slam dunk law suits will be won against Trump and the justice department for the illegal and unconstitutional detainment and/or deportation of Muslims.
    You're trying to minimize this.
  • dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    What's the number of travelers that were actually detained at airports? WH says 109.
    (1 is too many but I'm trying to get a solid number of those detained at US airports)

    Fact check: White House claims 109 affected by travel ban - it's more like 90,000

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-fact-check-people-affected-by-travel-ban-20170130-story.html
    Thanks for the info, but I was looking for the actual number of people detained due to the illegal and unconstitutional Muslim ban, not affected.
    Since the AG and federal judges blocked the order, Im curious to know how many slam dunk law suits will be won against Trump and the justice department for the illegal and unconstitutional detainment and/or deportation of Muslims.
    You're trying to minimize this.
    Of course s/he is. It's only 12% of muslims that are affected.
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  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DCPosts: 7,036
    JC29856 said:



    Thanks for the info, but I was looking for the actual number of people detained due to the illegal and unconstitutional Muslim ban, not affected.
    Since the AG and federal judges blocked the order, Im curious to know how many slam dunk law suits will be won against Trump and the justice department for the illegal and unconstitutional detainment and/or deportation of Muslims.

    I think this is the first lawsuit:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316929-muslim-group-files-lawsuit-against-trump-order
    The Council on American-Islamic Relations' (CAIR) suit questions the constitutionality of the controversial executive order signed last Friday that affects immigration and refugees.

    “We, as attorneys, are foot soldiers of the American Constitution and took an oath to protect all from being targeted by the government because of their faith,” he added. CAIR lists Trump, new Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, the State Department and the director of national intelligence as defendants in its lawsuit, filed Monday in a Virginia federal court

    Among the more than 20 plaintiffs are Somali and Yemeni student visa holders, a Syrian national serving as an imam in Michigan and even the husband of a pregnant Sudanese national.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    What's the number of travelers that were actually detained at airports? WH says 109.
    (1 is too many but I'm trying to get a solid number of those detained at US airports)

    Fact check: White House claims 109 affected by travel ban - it's more like 90,000

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-fact-check-people-affected-by-travel-ban-20170130-story.html
    Thanks for the info, but I was looking for the actual number of people detained due to the illegal and unconstitutional Muslim ban, not affected.
    Since the AG and federal judges blocked the order, Im curious to know how many slam dunk law suits will be won against Trump and the justice department for the illegal and unconstitutional detainment and/or deportation of Muslims.
    You're trying to minimize this.
    I'm trying to get a number of how many lawsuits will be filed and won against the justice department. Those that were actually detained and deported have the strongest case, say vs those that we only affected, althou I would expect maybe a class action suit on behalf of the 90,000.
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  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DCPosts: 7,036
    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    What's the number of travelers that were actually detained at airports? WH says 109.
    (1 is too many but I'm trying to get a solid number of those detained at US airports)

    Fact check: White House claims 109 affected by travel ban - it's more like 90,000

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-fact-check-people-affected-by-travel-ban-20170130-story.html
    Thanks for the info, but I was looking for the actual number of people detained due to the illegal and unconstitutional Muslim ban, not affected.
    Since the AG and federal judges blocked the order, Im curious to know how many slam dunk law suits will be won against Trump and the justice department for the illegal and unconstitutional detainment and/or deportation of Muslims.
    I think it is in that article. It doesn't look conclusive, but it gives an idea. It doesn't reflect slam dunk law suits, just yet:

    The "109" number is old, and rather dubious. For instance, it does not reflect how many people were prevented from even boarding a plane. According to the Department of Homeland Security, 348 people were denied boarding from the issuance of the executive order on Friday through 6 p.m. on Sunday.

    An additional 392 green-card holders have been processed and admitted to the United States, the agency says. Originally, the White House had said that green-card holders would also be blocked from entering, but it reversed itself on Sunday under political pressure.

    Officials have not responded to repeated requests for an updated number on the number of people detained at U.S. airports. However, the Daily Beast reported that an additional 200 to 250 people were denied entry once their flights landed -- and they were part of a larger pool of 735 people at ports of entry who could have been barred from entering the United States.

    A Google spreadsheet tracking the experience of Iranian travelers has documented the travails of nearly 300 people, with many describing significant delays or negotiation even if they were allowed into the United States.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,484
    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    What's the number of travelers that were actually detained at airports? WH says 109.
    (1 is too many but I'm trying to get a solid number of those detained at US airports)

    Fact check: White House claims 109 affected by travel ban - it's more like 90,000

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-fact-check-people-affected-by-travel-ban-20170130-story.html
    Thanks for the info, but I was looking for the actual number of people detained due to the illegal and unconstitutional Muslim ban, not affected.
    Since the AG and federal judges blocked the order, Im curious to know how many slam dunk law suits will be won against Trump and the justice department for the illegal and unconstitutional detainment and/or deportation of Muslims.
    You're trying to minimize this.
    I'm trying to get a number of how many lawsuits will be filed and won against the justice department. Those that were actually detained and deported have the strongest case, say vs those that we only affected, althou I would expect maybe a class action suit on behalf of the 90,000.
    That is not what you are trying to do. If you cared you could find the answers you're looking for yourself, but that's not your MO.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    What's the number of travelers that were actually detained at airports? WH says 109.
    (1 is too many but I'm trying to get a solid number of those detained at US airports)

    Fact check: White House claims 109 affected by travel ban - it's more like 90,000

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-fact-check-people-affected-by-travel-ban-20170130-story.html
    Thanks for the info, but I was looking for the actual number of people detained due to the illegal and unconstitutional Muslim ban, not affected.
    Since the AG and federal judges blocked the order, Im curious to know how many slam dunk law suits will be won against Trump and the justice department for the illegal and unconstitutional detainment and/or deportation of Muslims.
    You're trying to minimize this.
    I'm trying to get a number of how many lawsuits will be filed and won against the justice department. Those that were actually detained and deported have the strongest case, say vs those that we only affected, althou I would expect maybe a class action suit on behalf of the 90,000.
    That is not what you are trying to do. If you cared you could find the answers you're looking for yourself, but that's not your MO.
    Your right like I didnt try..."Officials have not responded to repeated requests for an updated number on the number of people detained at U.S. airports."
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,484
    But brown people are the real threat!

    The report concluded that “lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent right-wing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States.”

    https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/the-fbi-has-quietly-investigated-white-supremacist-infiltration-of-law-enforcement/
  • Global Citizen's spin:

    This policy orders the:
    • Complete suspension of travel from seven predominantly Muslim nationalities — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. This includes dual-nationals, green card holders, and most visa-holders.
    • Full suspension of US refugee program for 120 days as new “extreme vetting” rules are developed, even though America already has the toughest vetting program for refugees in the world.
    • Halving America’s refugee intake to a maximum of 50,000 annually, with a complete ban on admitting refugees from war-torn Syria.
    • Exemption for those of a “minority religion” in each of these countries — a phrase that can only be interpreted to exclude Muslims on the basis of their religion.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,484
    White House claims five-year-old boy detained in US airport for hours 'could have posed a security threat'
    The little boy is reportedly a US citizen who lives with his mother in Maryland

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-five-year-old-boy-detained-dulles-international-airport-hours-sean-spicer-pose-security-a7554521.html?cmpid=facebook-post
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    With all of the sudden interest in and defense of Muslims, here are some pew research reports and links for more information. There is one link within the site where it contrasts the differing opinions of Muslims by democrats and republicans, it leaves out all those (about 47%) that do not affiliate with either party.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487

    Ms. Haiku said:

    Heather Richardson, Professor of History, Boston College wrote in a Twitter thread that this Executive Order is a "shock event." That it causes chaos to ultimately get what Trump wants which is Sessions elected. She has a long Twitter thread for this, but this following tweet is part of it.

    https://twitter.com/womanistpsych
    Jefferson Sessions being received as the acceptable one, as head of DOJ, to restore order to Bannon's generated chaos is one of the setups.

    Do you think this is a shock event, and that Sessions as AG could be the goal?

    I'm not completely convinced that this is a "shock event." It looks like Trump is doing what he said he would do. I think the Executive Order for the wall could be considered a shock event as well, but putting a wall up was part of his presidential campaign.


    So was banning Muslims.
    Fake news. Muslims are not banned.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    tbergs said:

    tbergs said:

    JC29856 said:

    Funny...I don't see the word Muslim anywhere in the text, nor do I see any country listed other than Syria.

    If that is a Muslim ban, Trump excluded countries that comprise about 90% of worldwide Muslims.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

    Its right here:

    (c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f)
    Kind of like how they left "Jews" out of the post paying respect to the "innocents" of the Holocaust. In Trump's world, if you don't utter the phrases then you have plausible deniability that you supported a certain stance with your base supporters while making those who read between the line sound like they are the one's being irrational and insensitive.
    I think the outrage to the tweet is a stretch. I think when you bring up the Holocaust it implies the victims were the Jews. Trump wants to move the embassy to Jerusalem so I don't think the administration is anti-Israel.
    It was an intentional omission. Now as to why, that's left up to the individual.
    Yeah, I think this particular issue (Holocaust tweet) is a phony media/left attack job only. Certainly, the immigrant ban is something that you can strongly disagree with.
    I'm unsure about the tweet wording controversy. They have admitted it was left out intentionally, but I question if it was done to be more inclusive as they say, since they have taken a divisive approach on every other topic. The problem with this administration is that they lie so much it's hard to know what's really going on.
    probably because Bannon was in the room when he wrote it. trump was afraid of the big bad nazi.
    Actually Obama picked the countries.

    And this isn't a Muslim ban, otherwise the country with the largest Muslim population (Indonesia) would be included.

    The folks that were detained what were they Orthodox Jews lol
    I have no idea, but they were from the countries that Obama selected. This isn't about religion, if it were Indonesia would be banned.

    Yeah ok I guess in your retreat you don't get any info on who was detained like I asked were they Orthodox Jews or folks of Muslim faith ? Go ahead keep on playing I don't know who it was game ! But it was Obama who chose those nations that is true no doubt I just don't recall how many people were detained at airports on the 1st day of implementation !
    It doesn't matter who has been stopped, nobody is detained. They can't enter based on their country.

    How is this so hard to understand?

  • unsung said:

    Ms. Haiku said:

    Heather Richardson, Professor of History, Boston College wrote in a Twitter thread that this Executive Order is a "shock event." That it causes chaos to ultimately get what Trump wants which is Sessions elected. She has a long Twitter thread for this, but this following tweet is part of it.

    https://twitter.com/womanistpsych
    Jefferson Sessions being received as the acceptable one, as head of DOJ, to restore order to Bannon's generated chaos is one of the setups.

    Do you think this is a shock event, and that Sessions as AG could be the goal?

    I'm not completely convinced that this is a "shock event." It looks like Trump is doing what he said he would do. I think the Executive Order for the wall could be considered a shock event as well, but putting a wall up was part of his presidential campaign.


    So was banning Muslims.
    Fake news. Muslims are not banned.
    According to JC, 12% of muslims are banned.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487

    unsung said:

    Ms. Haiku said:

    Heather Richardson, Professor of History, Boston College wrote in a Twitter thread that this Executive Order is a "shock event." That it causes chaos to ultimately get what Trump wants which is Sessions elected. She has a long Twitter thread for this, but this following tweet is part of it.

    https://twitter.com/womanistpsych
    Jefferson Sessions being received as the acceptable one, as head of DOJ, to restore order to Bannon's generated chaos is one of the setups.

    Do you think this is a shock event, and that Sessions as AG could be the goal?

    I'm not completely convinced that this is a "shock event." It looks like Trump is doing what he said he would do. I think the Executive Order for the wall could be considered a shock event as well, but putting a wall up was part of his presidential campaign.


    So was banning Muslims.
    Fake news. Muslims are not banned.
    According to JC, 12% of muslims are banned.
    Based on country, not religion.

    Countries that Obama picked.

    None of you protested when he froze visas.
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,484
    edited January 2017
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    Ms. Haiku said:

    Heather Richardson, Professor of History, Boston College wrote in a Twitter thread that this Executive Order is a "shock event." That it causes chaos to ultimately get what Trump wants which is Sessions elected. She has a long Twitter thread for this, but this following tweet is part of it.

    https://twitter.com/womanistpsych
    Jefferson Sessions being received as the acceptable one, as head of DOJ, to restore order to Bannon's generated chaos is one of the setups.

    Do you think this is a shock event, and that Sessions as AG could be the goal?

    I'm not completely convinced that this is a "shock event." It looks like Trump is doing what he said he would do. I think the Executive Order for the wall could be considered a shock event as well, but putting a wall up was part of his presidential campaign.


    So was banning Muslims.
    Fake news. Muslims are not banned.
    According to JC, 12% of muslims are banned.
    Based on country, not religion.

    Countries that Obama picked.

    None of you protested when he froze visas.
    Spoon fed by Spicer. Not all of us are so easily duped.

    Continue believing what you want, this policy does help keep the white race pure.
    Post edited by dignin on
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dignin said:

    White House claims five-year-old boy detained in US airport for hours 'could have posed a security threat'
    The little boy is reportedly a US citizen who lives with his mother in Maryland

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-five-year-old-boy-detained-dulles-international-airport-hours-sean-spicer-pose-security-a7554521.html?cmpid=facebook-post

    maybe he has priors, was he was previously detained by Israel for throwing stones at IDFs?
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  • unsung said:

    unsung said:

    Ms. Haiku said:

    Heather Richardson, Professor of History, Boston College wrote in a Twitter thread that this Executive Order is a "shock event." That it causes chaos to ultimately get what Trump wants which is Sessions elected. She has a long Twitter thread for this, but this following tweet is part of it.

    https://twitter.com/womanistpsych
    Jefferson Sessions being received as the acceptable one, as head of DOJ, to restore order to Bannon's generated chaos is one of the setups.

    Do you think this is a shock event, and that Sessions as AG could be the goal?

    I'm not completely convinced that this is a "shock event." It looks like Trump is doing what he said he would do. I think the Executive Order for the wall could be considered a shock event as well, but putting a wall up was part of his presidential campaign.


    So was banning Muslims.
    Fake news. Muslims are not banned.
    According to JC, 12% of muslims are banned.
    Based on country, not religion.

    Countries that Obama picked.

    None of you protested when he froze visas.
    From Global Citizen:

    This policy orders the:
    • Complete suspension of travel from seven predominantly Muslim nationalities — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. This includes dual-nationals, green card holders, and most visa-holders.
    • Full suspension of US refugee program for 120 days as new “extreme vetting” rules are developed, even though America already has the toughest vetting program for refugees in the world.
    • Halving America’s refugee intake to a maximum of 50,000 annually, with a complete ban on admitting refugees from war-torn Syria.
    Exemption for those of a “minority religion” in each of these countries — a phrase that can only be interpreted to exclude Muslims on the basis of their religion.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    - December 07, 2015 -
    ​Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration

    (New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing "25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad" and 51% of those polled, "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah." Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won't convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.

    Mr. Trump stated, "Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again." - Donald J. Trump

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    edited January 2017

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    Ms. Haiku said:

    Heather Richardson, Professor of History, Boston College wrote in a Twitter thread that this Executive Order is a "shock event." That it causes chaos to ultimately get what Trump wants which is Sessions elected. She has a long Twitter thread for this, but this following tweet is part of it.

    https://twitter.com/womanistpsych
    Jefferson Sessions being received as the acceptable one, as head of DOJ, to restore order to Bannon's generated chaos is one of the setups.

    Do you think this is a shock event, and that Sessions as AG could be the goal?

    I'm not completely convinced that this is a "shock event." It looks like Trump is doing what he said he would do. I think the Executive Order for the wall could be considered a shock event as well, but putting a wall up was part of his presidential campaign.


    So was banning Muslims.
    Fake news. Muslims are not banned.
    According to JC, 12% of muslims are banned.
    Based on country, not religion.

    Countries that Obama picked.

    None of you protested when he froze visas.
    From Global Citizen:

    This policy orders the:
    • Complete suspension of travel from seven predominantly Muslim nationalities — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. This includes dual-nationals, green card holders, and most visa-holders.
    • Full suspension of US refugee program for 120 days as new “extreme vetting” rules are developed, even though America already has the toughest vetting program for refugees in the world.
    • Halving America’s refugee intake to a maximum of 50,000 annually, with a complete ban on admitting refugees from war-torn Syria.
    Exemption for those of a “minority religion” in each of these countries — a phrase that can only be interpreted to exclude Muslims on the basis of their religion.
    Oh no!

    There is an exemption for that Iranian filmaker too!

    Oh the humanity!
    Post edited by unsung on
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    edited January 2017
    Double post
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,484
    Kat said:

    I also think he'll fire her...he's dying to say you're fired to her....


  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,199
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    Ms. Haiku said:

    Heather Richardson, Professor of History, Boston College wrote in a Twitter thread that this Executive Order is a "shock event." That it causes chaos to ultimately get what Trump wants which is Sessions elected. She has a long Twitter thread for this, but this following tweet is part of it.

    https://twitter.com/womanistpsych
    Jefferson Sessions being received as the acceptable one, as head of DOJ, to restore order to Bannon's generated chaos is one of the setups.

    Do you think this is a shock event, and that Sessions as AG could be the goal?

    I'm not completely convinced that this is a "shock event." It looks like Trump is doing what he said he would do. I think the Executive Order for the wall could be considered a shock event as well, but putting a wall up was part of his presidential campaign.


    So was banning Muslims.
    Fake news. Muslims are not banned.
    According to JC, 12% of muslims are banned.
    Based on country, not religion.

    Countries that Obama picked.

    None of you protested when he froze visas.
    From Global Citizen:

    This policy orders the:
    • Complete suspension of travel from seven predominantly Muslim nationalities — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. This includes dual-nationals, green card holders, and most visa-holders.
    • Full suspension of US refugee program for 120 days as new “extreme vetting” rules are developed, even though America already has the toughest vetting program for refugees in the world.
    • Halving America’s refugee intake to a maximum of 50,000 annually, with a complete ban on admitting refugees from war-torn Syria.
    Exemption for those of a “minority religion” in each of these countries — a phrase that can only be interpreted to exclude Muslims on the basis of their religion.
    Oh no!

    There is an exemption for that Iranian filmaker too!

    Oh the humanity!
    So you're defending misguided government policy? Oh the irony!
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,484
    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    White House claims five-year-old boy detained in US airport for hours 'could have posed a security threat'
    The little boy is reportedly a US citizen who lives with his mother in Maryland

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-five-year-old-boy-detained-dulles-international-airport-hours-sean-spicer-pose-security-a7554521.html?cmpid=facebook-post

    maybe he has priors, was he was previously detained by Israel for throwing stones at IDFs?
    Sean Spicer is right. That five-year-old refugee has diabolical plans.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/30/sean-spicer-is-right-that-five-year-old-refugee-has-diabolical-plans/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.26d089477214
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited January 2017
    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    White House claims five-year-old boy detained in US airport for hours 'could have posed a security threat'
    The little boy is reportedly a US citizen who lives with his mother in Maryland

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-five-year-old-boy-detained-dulles-international-airport-hours-sean-spicer-pose-security-a7554521.html?cmpid=facebook-post

    maybe he has priors, was he was previously detained by Israel for throwing stones at IDFs?
    Sean Spicer is right. That five-year-old refugee has diabolical plans.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/30/sean-spicer-is-right-that-five-year-old-refugee-has-diabolical-plans/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.26d089477214
    http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=10793

    Just watch this video...5 year old boy jumps up and down and cries.


    Spicer:
    “That’s why we slow it down and make sure that if they are a five year old that maybe they’re with their parents and they don’t pose a threat. . . . To assume that just because of someone’s age or gender or whatever that they don’t pose a threat would be wrong”
    Post edited by JC29856 on
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 19,201
    unsung said:

    tbergs said:

    tbergs said:

    JC29856 said:

    Funny...I don't see the word Muslim anywhere in the text, nor do I see any country listed other than Syria.

    If that is a Muslim ban, Trump excluded countries that comprise about 90% of worldwide Muslims.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

    Its right here:

    (c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f)
    Kind of like how they left "Jews" out of the post paying respect to the "innocents" of the Holocaust. In Trump's world, if you don't utter the phrases then you have plausible deniability that you supported a certain stance with your base supporters while making those who read between the line sound like they are the one's being irrational and insensitive.
    I think the outrage to the tweet is a stretch. I think when you bring up the Holocaust it implies the victims were the Jews. Trump wants to move the embassy to Jerusalem so I don't think the administration is anti-Israel.
    It was an intentional omission. Now as to why, that's left up to the individual.
    Yeah, I think this particular issue (Holocaust tweet) is a phony media/left attack job only. Certainly, the immigrant ban is something that you can strongly disagree with.
    I'm unsure about the tweet wording controversy. They have admitted it was left out intentionally, but I question if it was done to be more inclusive as they say, since they have taken a divisive approach on every other topic. The problem with this administration is that they lie so much it's hard to know what's really going on.
    probably because Bannon was in the room when he wrote it. trump was afraid of the big bad nazi.
    Actually Obama picked the countries.

    And this isn't a Muslim ban, otherwise the country with the largest Muslim population (Indonesia) would be included.

    obama singled out those countries for higher scrutiny. he didn't ban anyone. trump's all-encompassing ban took it 100 steps further. and he kept it at obama's countries so he could have an easy out, like all republicans of the last 8 years, "obama did it!".

    oh wait, it wasn't all-encompassing. it exempts "people who are being persecuted for their religion, but only if that religion is a minority religion in that region". guess what that means? "come on, Christians! you're allowed in! Muslims? fuck you!"

    these idiots like trump and spicer also claiming if they had given the agencies notice, "bad dudes" would have flooded in". the vetting system is currently 18-24 months. they are liars and fucking idiots.they couldn't have just bought a plane ticket on friday and blown up the WH on sunday.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 19,201
    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    What's the number of travelers that were actually detained at airports? WH says 109.
    (1 is too many but I'm trying to get a solid number of those detained at US airports)

    Fact check: White House claims 109 affected by travel ban - it's more like 90,000

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-fact-check-people-affected-by-travel-ban-20170130-story.html
    Thanks for the info, but I was looking for the actual number of people detained due to the illegal and unconstitutional Muslim ban, not affected.
    Since the AG and federal judges blocked the order, Im curious to know how many slam dunk law suits will be won against Trump and the justice department for the illegal and unconstitutional detainment and/or deportation of Muslims.
    so the green card holders who LIVE and have JOBS and SCHOOL in the US and are now stranded in foreign countries for MONTHS "don't matter"? only the people that were detained at the airports? how fucking backwards is that?
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